I thought this was an interesting video with regard to the Jewish Origins of 3 families who were originally from Spain and later migrated to Mexico. The Jewish origins of the Pacho, Alcocer, and Vera families, some of their decendants are later found in Jalisco. See video (18 minutes).
This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin.
Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?
If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…
Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:
https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.
Hope you might find something useful.
Regards,
Dear Members,
I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.
The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.
I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he is the son of Hernando de Arayça and María de Guzmán. This marriage took place in Mexico City, but Joseph is listed as “natural de la ciudad de çacatecas.” I am therefore fully convinced that Joseph is the son of our Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán. This would mean that the Araizas did have some tie between Mexico City and Zacatecas. This also means that Juan de Araiza y Medina (?-1665) had a full brother we did not know about!
Looking back at Juan de Araiza´s will, it does say, and Michael Araiza pointed out some time back, that Juan de Araiza Medina had a slave named Nicolasa, who was 28-30 years of age in 1665, whom he inherited from his grandparents when she was four years old. “Y ten para cumplir y pagar este mi testamto. Declaro por mis bienes a una negra llamada Nicolassa de edad de Beinte y ocho a treinta años la qual [h]erede de mis aguelos que tendría entonces quatro años” (page 3 of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s will). This would suggest that his grandparents died around 24 years before 1665, so around 1640. Which set of grandparents, we do not know. However, the other thing this shows, I think, is that Juan de Araiza’s grandparents lived in the new world!
So, now that we do have a documented link between the Fernando de Araiza from Zacatecas and Mexico City, I think we can accept that the marriage of Hernando de Arayza and María de Guzmán in 1592 in Mexico City, as the marriage we have all been looking for at least a decade! It took place 23 Feb 1592.
Here is the link, and my transcription:
[Al margen] “Hernan.do de arayze y doña ma- de gusman
En beinte y tres de febrero de mill y quios y nobenta y dos yo goncalo fernandes aviendo echo
una amonestación y con ma. Del governandor En las da y amonestaciones y dispensasion despose por palabras de presente en su casa a herdo. De arayze hijo de Antonio de arayze y de Beatriz peres con
doña maría de gusmá hija de diego desquibel y de franca de gusman vzos desta ciudad hizieronse las amonestaciones y no ubo ynpedimento siendo tos Joan guerero y Joan de medina Sebastian reyes franco diaz texedor de tafetan –
Goncalo fernandez”
Now we know the names of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s grandparents! Antonio de Araiza and Beatriz Pérez and Diego de Esquivel and Francisca de Guzmán! Needless to say this opens up a whole new line of inquiry, because it means, that at the earliest, it was Antonio de Araiza who emigrated to New Spain. Now to find further evidence of this! It also, means, that Juan de Araiza y Medina was probably born in New Spain, rather than in Spain. Was he born in Zacatecas? If so, his baptism is lost because the records there do not go back to the 1590s. But to me, the link that was probably the tie between Zacatecas and Mexico City, is Juan’s grandparents, who probably stayed in Mexico City when Fernando moved to Zacatecas to participate in the mining boom. I would say that it would be ideal to find the will of Fernando de Araiza or maybe even of Antonio de Araiza.
Finally, I wanted to encourage us to form a group to look at the Protocolos of Guadalajara and to Index them. I will post a separate topic on this, but think this is a good place to point out that we are running short of church records, but there are many records yet to be indexed that may help us complete pieces of the puzzle like this one.
Happy hunting!
Sergio Sean Salés
He llegado en la Region de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco hasta este ancestro, pero ahi aparecen otro nombres en otros arboles con una esposa diferente. Podrian ayudarme?
My maternal line has stopped with a woman named Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi, married to Jose Juarez Delgadillo, my 9th great-grandparents. I don’t have an information on their births or marriage, my guess is that they are located in/around Cuquío, Jalisco.
I have arrived to her through my 8th great-grandmother Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, but I have little information for her.
I do have the marriage of Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, and Juan Manuel Delgado Pacheco (son of Francisco Delgado Lopez and Rosa Maria Pacheco Nuñez) on 5 June 1724, although much is lost to the large decay on the pages: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4YV-9?i=132
I want to continue with research into my maternal line, but in order to do that, I need to find more information on the life of Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi. If anyone has information or familiarity of anything “Carrillo de Sandi”, or anyone who also has her in their tree, I would very much appreciate it!
Hello Everyone,
My name is Laura Villa and I am oringinally from Los Angeles County, California. My grandparents families come from Zacatecas. I have been working on gathering information, documents, and photos for over 15 years for our tree. I would be happy to share any information I have, and I would also love to connect with any relatives!
My grandfather was Manuel Jesus VILLA who spent most of his life in California. His parents were Margarito VILLA (born in 1881 in Juchipila son of Bruno Villa and Bernarda Perez) and his wife Maria ORTIZ (born in 1886 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter of Calixto Ortiz and Virginia Lara). Margarito and his wife moved back and forth between Mexico and California.
My grandmother was Soledad CASILLAS who was born in Nochistlan. Her parents were not married. They were Isidoro CASILLAS (born 1892 in Nochistlan, son of Severo Casillas Borroel and Daria Teran Tolentino) and Eusebia SOLIS (born 1895 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter or Bernabe Solis and Maximiana "Maxima" Rodriguez). Soledad immigrated to California, but her parents remained in Mexico.
My folder is: https://nuestrosranchos.org/laura107
Seeking any assistance or information on Pedro Jose Montellano or Son Jose Maria Montellano either from Zacatecas or Ojuelos Jalisco, I found information related to Los Pinos or Magueyes Zac. however very limited.
Information I found in Ojuelos Jalisco, Montellano is spelled as Monteyano or Montejano, which could be a typo or possibly how it was spelled during that era.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Busco linea Familiar con relacion a Carlos Salas Jaramillo 1805-1833 posible padre Jose Tiburcio Salas 1738-1826 nacido en Villanueva Zacatecas
I believe I have found the resting place of one Francisco Campos Aguinaga. He died in 1915 after a mining accident in Southern Arizona a few years earlier. His civil death states he was put to rest at the Panteón Francés de la Piedad in Mexico City. (The other Panteon Frances was built in the 1940s.)
An acquaintance was able to get photos of the crypt and marker. However the surname on the larger crypt is different. It is marked "Familia Casasola." The marker at the foot of the crypt, "164," is the only indicator, that helped to find Francisco's plot. (I've included photos of the grave site.)
Other than the civil death record I have no other way to verify that this is our guy.
Now it gets interesting.
After help in locating the plot with help from the Mexican Consulate in Texas, and a genealogist in Mexico DF who took photos, the cemetery is now saying that the plot may not have been fully paid for back in the day. (Is this customary?) The family would like to help restore at least part of the crypt (hasn't been touched in decades were told). But so far I have no deed/land record to verify. (Should the cemetary have this? )
I'd like to obtain more sources about the burial and am asking the cemetery to provide such, especially since he was apparently buried there.
Im not sure where else to go on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
civil death:
Does anyone know of the Maciel Familia? Any history?
Gracias,
Elizabeth
So I was doing my usual researchy thing online looking at struggle lines like Diego de Trevino when I happened up a few older research documents you guys find interesting to add to your stash.
The entomology of the name was fascinating to me so I decided to see what towns they were actually referencing in Spain. So indeed I looked up Temiño, Spain. It is an fact a real town and that is indeed the way it is spelled. It is also the town where the references "Don Alfonso Ruiz de Temirio y Doña Sancha de Velasco". Even in the old research docs the the spelling varies. These are the ancestors that Baltasar Temiño references to prove his noble lineage in Zacatecas.
So while spelling would vary depending on the scribe and their educational and cultural background it is now evident to me that Baltsar Temiño is indeed a Temiño NOT Trevino. Now it could be that the town of Temiño could have old ties to the Condes de Trevino and they are from another branch they however achieved their "grandee status" through the primogenture given to them by Rey Enrique IV in Segovia in December 21 de 1470. They were being given the primogenture aka "La constitución del mayorazgo de los Temirio".
In fact is a Baltasar who is ACTIVELY seeking to not only show proof of nobility but HIS RIGHTFUL ownership to the grandee status of the Mayorazgo and to his descendants FOREVER. So now we have that settled I will move on, his brother comes back with the document from Spain in hand yes the same Fray and because he has joined the church he is not entitled to right of ownership or the title as written in the deed by the King. Furthermore Baltasar shows not just the document but 13 witnesses to prove he is who he says he is and proof of his heritage before his proofs are accepted and they were indeed accepted.
Now why do does this matter to our story of Diego de Trevino? Diego de Trevino is thought to come from the Temiños. Before I thought it might be possible now I am not too sure and we just might be able to cross this group of people off our lists.
There seems to be a clear distinction and not one of misspellings between the name Trevino and Temiño. In fact while both locations are in Burgos one is closer to the Basque region while the other is situated smack dab in the middle of Burgos. The town of Temiño even has the escudos/ family shield of the Temiño family granted to them with the deed. This is NOT the Trevino family or from Trevino the town.
I think I read here that the Diego signed his own name? Can I get a look at that if someone has this on here? I read Spanish paleography also so if you have anything you might throw my way I think I can help.
Meanwhile I will send you what I found online https://riubu.ubu.es/bitstream/handle/10259.4/2360/0211_8998_n235_p475-488.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Please let me know if you have found any updates on Diego de Trevino. I am leaning toward him definitely being a Trevino and not a Temiño especially considering this finding of there being a clear distinction between the 2 names historically with 2 completely different shields. Usually if they come from the same family they will show similar variations of quarterings and here we see they are clearly different. :)
I look forward to your responses and brainstorming!
I wanted to introduce myself to the forum. I'm Raymundo Muñoz from Brownsville, Texas. I've been researching (since COVID lockdown) about my fathers paternal side of the family since i know very little from about them and am wanting to know more since that's the last name I carry.
A few things that I know about my grandfather is that he originated in Teocaltiche, Jalisco and then moved to Matamoros area (supposedly fleeing Jalisco for beating up the son of his boss) where he married my grandmother and then immigrated to Huntsville, Texas. If you can see the attachment, it is confirmed (by my father) that his Pablo Muñoz and Virginia de Anda Quesada. If anyone can help confirm that if I am in the right path and lastly if anyone has any information on Jose Maria Muñoz and his spouse Pascuala Gutierrez.
Thank you,
Raymundo
Hi, I am fairly new to this forum so please excuse me if I do something wrong.
I have several ancestors from the Celaya area, and I am wondering if anyone has information about the parents of Pedro Buitrón Mujica AKA Pedro Vallejo born c.1700 in Celaya and married to Catarina Tena Padilla in 01/FEB/1736 in Celaya.
I am aware he is a "clandestine" son of Francisco Buitrón Mujica, and from the glances I was able to find as previews from "Los Tena de Celaya" by Rafael Nieto y Cortadellas, it looks like his mother might be Manuela Vallejo García (Daugther of Diego Vallejo Torres and Juana García Diosdado), but I haven't been able to find documentation to confirm this, so any help will be greatly appreciated.
I have read in "Retoños de España..." and in this forum that Mr. hfaizcorbe, you are and expert in the region so I would love to know if you have any information regarding this family.
Thank you in advance,
Salvador Rivas
Dear Cousin John:
The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a titled
manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the year
of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family Diaz
of Leon and other ancient surnames of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and
Jalisco.That valious story includes the years from 1620 to 1890 and contains
information of incredible testimonial value. I have an scanned file .
This document is 700 pages thick. Tell me if you need that I sen it to you
E-mail or "upload it" the familiar archives of "Nuestros Ranchos", for
permanent consultation of our genealogists cousins. Our causin Jorge Mendoza
already is consulting it.
Felipe reyes Romo
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Hello, everyone. I’m new to the group and looking forward to collaborating with all of you. I have been working on my family tree on and off for about 10 years.
I have hit a wall on my paternal line and am hoping for guidance and suggestions on how to move my research forward. I cannot locate birth records or parents of Matias Lepe (possibly y Rodriguez?) born around 1698 in Cocula, Jalisco and married to Bernardina Espinoza. I cannot locate her birth records either.
I also need help tracing my Santana (Santa Ana) ancestors past Joseph Antonio Santana born about 1650 in Sayula, Jalisco and married to Juana Maria Lopez Bueso y Guerrero de Ocon.
Any help you are able to provide on these two ancestors is greatly appreciated!
Vicky
Hello everyone, I am Ramón E Sánchez Vázquez del Mercado, I am 62 years old and for more than 10 years I have dedicated a lot of time to the genealogy referring to the surname Vázquez del Mercado, my starting point is the so-called "red book ".... an old book resulting from the transcription and compilation of previous books made by my great-grandfather "ALEJANDRO JOSE LADISLAO DE JESUS VAZQUEZ DEL MERCADO MEJIA" (b1841, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, who was governor of AGUASCALIENTES state" in Porfiriato´s periods ) and which in turn has as its starting point his grandfather "NICOLAS JOSE VAZQUEZ DEL MERCADO" (b1720 Zacatecas, Mex.) married to Maria Ygnacia Espinoza de los Monteros, who have been essential for a better understanding of the growth of the family.
Through these years I have tried to link the historical references of the ancestor "Gines Básquez de Mercado" with the current family....
I want to emphasize that I have found that the surname "Vázquez del Mecado" through several centuries has derived as "Vázquez del Mercado", "Mercado", and a large part of those who currently have only "Mercado" as their surname derive from the original surname "Basquez de Mercado".
Currently my interest is to be able to discover the link between the "Básquez de Mercado" family from the time of the conquest with the family settled mainly in Jalisco, Zacatecas, Durango, Aguascalientes and CDMX between the period 1540 to 1700....
I am grateful to this site for the opportunity to advance the investigation of the family relationships mentioned and to be able to collaborate with members who share similar interests.
I look forward to your comments and thank you for being able to share my research.
Warm greetings
Greetings,
Thank you for accepting me into this group and on facebook. My name is Alma Contreras and my family on my mother's side is from a small town named Mala Noche, Zacatecas, Mexico in the municipity Valparaiso. My grandmother is from San Jose de llanetes and grandfather from mala noche. I'm interested in our indigenous background. Who our ancestors are and which tribe.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I'm wondering if anyone has any information on Beatriz Sanchez de Carranza who also used the names Beatriz Sanchez de Lara, Beatriz Gomez, Beatriz Sanchez de Mendoza, Maria Sanchez, and Maria Gomez, she's mentioned in the below passage by Rodolfo H Hernández Chavez. She would've been born around 1615, probaly in Jalostotitlan. Based on the names, does anyone have any guesses about who her parents were?
passage from publication of Rodolfo H Hernández Chavez:
Francisco de Avalos, esposo de María de Espitia, quien según investigaciones de Don Jaime Holcombe procreó en Beatriz Sánchez de Lara –también conocida como Beatriz Sánchez de Carranza, Beatriz Sánchez de Mendoza ó Beatriz Gómez propietaria de una casa en la Villa de los Lagos, descrita en el padrón de 669 como “Casa de María Gómez Viuda”, donde vivía Antonia de Avalos doncella, en compañía de Bernarda Ortiz doncella, y de la “Estancia de San Nicolás de la Ciénega” en la jurisdicción de San Juan/Jalostotitlán, registrada en los padrones de 1670 como “Rancho de Beatriz Gómez”, y en los de 1672, 1673 y 1679 como “Estancia de Beatriz Gómez”, donde vivía en compañía de sus hijos y nietos-, a: Ysabel de Avalos/Ysabel Sanchez Carranza, mujer de José Leonel de Cervantes y Orozco, indiscutiblemente su consanguíneo por ser hijo de Leonel de Cervantes y de Doña Leonor de Orozco; Agustina de Avalos, madre de Juana Gómez...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/213314714210083
This message was submitted to the NR Workgroup and I thought maybe some folks here might have some input for them. Go to the workgroup for the full post but in a nutshell they are looking for:
We are asking anyone who has any information about the five Parga Sisters born in the 1800s – Monica, Basilia, Feliciana, Josefa, or Sotera, or their spouses/partners or descendants, to please contact us at case-tips@dnadoeproject.org with the subject “Ventura”.
they have a connection to Zacatecas.
joseph
I am looking for the significance of Montenegro in the Fonseca Montenegro name and the clue it might provide in further research. I have traced the Fonsecas from San Diego de Alejandria and Arandas, JALISCO back to Salamanca, GUANAJUATO in 1649 with the child of Joseph De Fonseca Montenegro and Cathalina Ortiz Calderon. This is where I am stumped. The Montenegro name occurs for over a hundred years then disappears. Thanks. Evie
Hola,
Buscando informacion sobre Padrones antiguos de Mexico en la internet, encontre la siguiente informacion sobre Padrones del Obispado de Michoacan, 1680-1685. Si alguien esta interesado en leer/ver la informacion, el link es el siguiente:
http://books.google.com/books?id=utlj5Q-6IuIC&pg=PA394&lpg=PA394&dq=pad…
Gracias,
Roberto Hdez
Hola grupo: en mis lineas que no he tenido exito se encuentra
lo siguiente en unas de mis lineas de Villasenor Cervantes,
Juan de Avalos y Juana de Hijar y Bracamontes. Vengo de su hija
Aldonca de Hijar y Bracamontes o de Avalos e Hijar casado con
Gonzalo de Villasenor y Cervantes, natural de Morelia (Valladolid)
Aldonca tuvo a lo menos dos hermanos Pedro e Ignacio bautizados
en Guadalajara 15 mayo 1615 y 10 ago 1610.
Saludos,
Daniel Mendez
Hi Group: Im looking for information on one of my lines, maybe
someone out there has better luck. Juan de Avalos and Juana de
Hijar y Bracamontes married ca. 1610 in Guadalajara or around
Nueva Galicia. They had my ancestor Aldonca de Hijar who married
gonzalo de Villasenor y Cervantes, natural of Morelia, Michoacan.
Thanks,
Daniel Mendez de Camino