Viudas perdidas (Lost widows)

En un par de ocasiones, hemos perdido un miembro de la familia y su viuda desaparecio del mapa; en ocasiones solo con un nombre, en otras solo una ciudad ("Era una americana de Los Angeles.")

Trate de conseguir mas informacion, y hasta cierto punto tuve exito: Encontre a a las personas, e incluso descubri que se volvieron a casar, pero cuando llego el momento de saber si tienen descendecia aun viva, no tanto:

a) Don Alfonso G. Padilla De La Torre (1872–1911)

Alfonso fallecio en la Batalla de 1911 de Tijuana. A pesar de haber sido porfirista y pelear en contra de le Revolucion, localmente se considera un heroe defensor.

La muerte de Alfonso deja viuda a su esposa, (aquella americana de Los Angeles que mencione cuyo nombre se desconocia pero por fin descubri: Dolores Bujanda Sandoval Loya (1892–1963), segun el censo descrita como: ‘Costurera, ama de casa y analfabeta’ lo que puede explicar ciertas discrepancias en las fechas reportadas de su vida.)

Al enviudar, Dolores se regreso a su nativo Chihuahua y se volvio a casar, estableciendose finalmente en Tejas.

Tuvo una hija de nombre Elena Loya, pero existen tres homonimos y por lo tanto, posibilidades de confusion de identidad.

b) Francisco Padilla Lugo, (1891–1940)

Al notar los principios de desaparición de la fortuna familiar despues de morir su padre, los hijos sospecharon (o usaron la excusa) que el albacea estaba abusando de la confianza puesta en el por su fallecido padre.

Segun un tio, en 1938 Francisco y su medio hermano Alfonso se armaron con un revolver prestado por el padre de ese tio, y juntos fueron ver a un abogado para acusarlo de fraude.

En el altercado se disparo el arma.

El abogado recibio 5 balazos y Alfonso accidentalmente mato a Francisco con la bala restante.

Despues de la muerte de Francisco se perdió el rasto de su viuda Edith (de la que recien descubri su apellido: Dunable Reichenbach) (1901–???) y se desconoce si se volvió a casar o si tuvo mas familia.

El censo verifica que Edith estaba ya viuda en 1940, pero aun asi no sabemos la fecha exacta del mortal incidente.

Rancho del Zapote de San Ignacio, Yurécuaro, Estado de Michoacán, Mexico.

Los fundadores de la linea son Macedonia Arellano Alcalá de Gómez (1859–1922) de Santo Cristo Milagroso, Tanhuato de Guerrero, Michoacán y Cenobio Gómez Peña (1860?-1915?) tambien del estado de Michoacán de Ocampo.

La familia Gómez Arellano residio inicialmente en la Calle Cuauhtémoc, Rancho del Zapote (de San Ignacio) en Yurécuaro, pueblo agricultor en la ribera de el Río Lerma, en el Estado de Michoacán, Mexico.

Cenobio se registro en los censos como agricultor o labrador, pero segun la tradicion oral familiar, se dedicaba a elaborar y vender dulces mexicanos.

En solo uno de los registros se identifica a el rancho como 'El Zapote de San Ignacio' lo cual parece ser adecuado pues La Ley Orgánica de división territorial de Michoacán del 20 de julio de 1909 tiene mencion de, no menos de, 69 Zapotes; no todos los mismos, y varios con designaciones mas especificas: Zapote de la Peña, Zapote del Oriente, Zapote del N.E., Zapote de Cuendeo, etc.

En el presente, a menos que encontremos documentacion muy especifica, sera imposible determinar cual nos corresponde.

Ademas de sus quince hijos tuvieron una gran cantidad de ahijados posiblemente para compensar sus perdidas familiares; muchos de los que, me supongo, aparecen en una fotografia con la bisabuela Macedonia en 1909 (ver fotografia adjunta.)

He tomado este extraordinario apadrinamiento como evidencia de considerable afluencia, pero en vista de que la detallada Monografía del Municipio de Yurécuaro Michoacán ni nombra a el Rancho del Zapote, ni hay en ella hay algun Gómez o Arellano digno de mencionar como hacendado notable; sino, al contrario, se nombra los apellidos Gómez, Arellano y Alcalá en la lista de peones y medieros del periodo 1905-6, simplemente como recibiendo mejores sueldos que el comun.

La mediería consistió básicamente en un contrato entre el propietario de la tierra y el mediero:

El propietario recibia la mitad de la cosecha como compensación; y por su trabajo, semillas e insumos, el mediero recibia generalmente la otra mitad de la producción. De ahi, mediería.
Esto posiblemente se refiere tambien a la mayor parte de personas aqui descritos como labradores o agricultores.

Históricamente, el término “ranchero” se refiere a los peones, medieros o arrendatarios que trabajaron para las haciendas y, posteriormente, se hicieron dueños de una parte de la misma, convirtiéndose de esta manera en sus propios jefes.
Es posible que eso sea precisamente lo que estamos describiendo aqui.

Aquellos Gómez, Arellano y Alcalá mencionados en los libros de raya no eran los propietarios de la tierra sino simplemente medieros.

Hoy en dia he encontrado tres diferentes ranchos llamados El Zapote.

Es posible que el actual Rancho El Zapote del Municipio La Piedad (a 30.4 km de Yurécuaro) sea el mismo que el de los bisabuelos, aunque no hay 100% de seguridad, pues aun el nombre no es tan especifico.

Es posible que este rancho del Zapote, encontrandose mas cerca del poblado de La Piedad que del mismo Yurecuaro, haya sido ignorado por la Monografia; pero como resultado tambien se ha puesto en posible duda si los Gómez Arellano eran realmente sus propietarios.

Esta sospecha aumenta la probabilidad que la aparente afluencia de la familia vino despues del matrimonio y por causas desconocidas.

En Los agraristas de Atacheo (localizado al sur de Yurecuaro y Tanhuato) se menciona, sin embago, que 'Rafael Peña Garibay vendio veinte hectares sito en El Zapote.'

Lo que puede ser simple coincidencia, pero la propiedad puede haber sucedido por medio de los Peña, si se puede establecer una relación entre los Peña Garibay y los Gómez Peña.

Mas investigacion posiblemente aclare esto.

Ruiz de Esparza or Esparza surname

Hi Everyone, My name is Elma Esparza Ramos and I am currently researching the Ruiz de Esparza surname. I am at a brick wall with Manuel Antonio Esparza who was maybe born sometimes around 1800-1810. Maybe in Zacatecas or Aguascalientes. He Married Marcelina de la Cruz. I found death records, baptisms that mentioned him and Marcelina as parents or grandparents. There are plenty of mentions of their names that mention Rio Grande, Zacatecas, Sain Alto, Zacatecas, and one family that went to San Juan de Guadalupe, Durango. Dionicio Esparza, my gggrandfather arrived in Laredo, Texas in 1880. I followed his trail from Viesca, Coahuila, Ramos Arispe Coahuila, Parras, Nuevo Leon, Sabinas Hidalgo and into Laredo, Texas. Just recently, I had my brother take a YDNA and we had one close match to a Jose Ruiz de Esparza from Monterrey. But so far, I have not been able to find Manuel Antonio's trail to lead him back to the Ruiz de Esparza's. Any input, Ideas, etc as to what my next step should be will be greatly appreciated.
Gracias y saludos a todos.
Elma

Ancestry of the Padilla family from Los Altos de Jalisco

I posted three ancestral lines of the "Padilla" family of "Los Altos de Jalisco."

One line shows the paternal line starting with Mateos Davila.

A second line shows the descent from King Henry II of England and Queen of England Eleanore of Aquitane to Lorenzo Padilla.*

The third line that I posted shows close to one thousand years of the Padilla surname line. It is important to remember that this is not a straight male line as there is one female in the line, and her descendants continued the Padilla surname. The strictly male line is the line of descent from Mateos Davila.

You can find these three lines at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18002

I also included an interesting short biography of Hernando Padilla, the father of Lorenzo Padilla who was the co-founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos in Nueva Galicia, in the area that today is known as Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexico.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

P.S. * It is important to remember that Queen Eleanore was also Queen of France in her earlier marriage to the King of France. Through a daughter from Queen Eleanore of Aquitane's first marriage, there is a line of descent that also spreads through "Los Altos de Jalisco."

Apellido Lugo

My biological father was Lugo. He was born in San Jose de La Paz, Jalisco but that last name is not originally from the Cienega region of Jalisco since my great great grandfather was born in San Pedro Piedra Gorda (Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato and then moved to Jalisco when he married in the 1870’s . I believe they are originally from Guanajuato since the last name Lugo is very common around San Miguel Allende and Leon. Does anyone know who is the patriarch of this last name in Mexico. I’ve heard rumors that all the Lugos descend from a early Spanish settler who was a slave trader in a Leon, Guanajuato. Any help on this surname would be greatly appreciated.

Ramas del arbol donde me atoro (Family tree dead ends): Perez/Esparza y Medina Tiscareño - Aguascalientes

Como se podra observar, las ramas de Felipe Perez y Juliana Esparza estan incompletas. Desgraciadamente se me han acabado las pistas, y no me es posible continuarlas.

El problema con J. Jesús Medina Tiscareño (1831–1906) no es tan drastico pero de cualquier manera es frustrante tener una infinidad de 'Jesús Medina' imposibles de diferenciar por el hecho de haber tantos de ellos con informacion insuficiente y con el mismo nombre.

Alguien tiene una sugerencia de que se puede hacer en estos casos?

Apellido ALCALA

Hola mi nombre es Ruben Alcala Delgado.
Busco informasion sobre el apellido Alcala, desendientes de Agustin Alcala y Atanacia de la Cruz.
Agustin Alcala nacio en Hujucar Jalisco o tal vez en Valparaiso Zac. al rededor the 1785.

New Member Introduction

Hello, my name is Gustavo Carrillo. I have been researching my
Carrillo lineage for some time now. I'm also glad for the
opportunity of joining this group. Even though most of my ancestors
lived in northern Jalisco, I recently learned that one of them
Marcos Carrillo, came from Jerez, Zacatecas. He married Petra
Bermudes and moved to Cartagenas in Totatiche, Jalisco around
1760. I have been searching for his marriage record without any
luck. I believe he married in Jerez,Zacatecas between 1740-1750.
I want to find out who his parents were but the records I have
found on his children don't give information on grandparents.
If anyone could give me any information I would be very grateful.
Thanks Gustavo.

A novice's first attempt

Hello list,
I joined this group several weeks back and have enjoyed reading your postings since then. My name is Michael Lopez, I live in San Diego County, I am recently retired and have decided to search for some genealogical history on my parents now that I have the time. My family of origin was "different" than most families in the sense that my parents came to America without any other family and never went back. Hence, I grew up without ever meeting any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My children gave me a xmas gift of participating in National Geographic's genographic project and I have become fascinated with the whole idea of genealogy and DNA. In any event here is what I know about my mother. Maria de Jesus Bravo was born in 1906 at a small ranchito named El Zapote, which was located about a mile or so outside the small village of La Ribera, Jalisco. La Rivera Jalisco is immediately adjacent to Yurecuaro, Michoacan and are separated by the Rio Lerma. So while mom
was born on the Jalisco side of the Rio Lerma, I think she was baptized in the Michoacan side at Yurecuaro. Mother's father was named Ladislao Bravo and her mother was named Maria ( Margarita?) Tinoco. Mom's maternal grandmother was named Estefania Rizo. My mother had 3 sisters whose names were Juana, Carmen and Luisa. She had one brother named Trinidad who married someone also named Trinidad. The families from El Zapote were "concentrated" to La Ribera during the Cristiada and I believe they remained there for most, perhaps all of their lives. My uncle Trinidad was killed during the Cristiada leaving a widow and (I think) one young son. I look forward to receiving your comments/suggestions/etc. I would like to thank Alicia of your group for the sincere encouragement she gave me to write this posting.
Michael

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Bautismos SECRETOS?

Hola a todos:

En busqueda de un antepasado, encontré que el microfilm en el que se encuentra el registro de su bautizo se llama "BAUTISMOS SECRETOS 1869-1900" de la Iglesia catolica de Zapopan, Jalisco. Encontrarme con este tipo de registro "secreto" me sorprendio mucho y quisiera preguntarle a cualquier persona que sepa sobre este tema si me puede ampliar o ilustrar con informacion al respecto. Porque era secreto? Que es lo que puede contener? Es acaso el niño bautizado producto de insesto, violación o algo por el estilo? Agradeceria cualquier información al respecto que pudieran proporcionarme.

Alessandro

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Hello everyone:

Researching information about an ancestor, I found that the film he is registered/christened is called "Secret Christenings 1868-1900" at Church records for Zapopan, Jal. Finding this type of "secret" record shoked me, I would like to ask anyone at NR who knows about this topic if you can extend or explain me more about this. Why was it secret? What does it contain? Is by chance, the baptized child a son of a violation, incest or something similar? I would appreciate very much any information related.

Sincerely

Alessandro

New Member

Hello,
I would like to thank you for accepting me in this forum. I am Maricela Gonzalez and I am looking for my ancestors from Pinos Zacatecas. My father was Gabriel Gonzalez son of Salome Gonzalez. Salome's father was don Jose Ysabel Gonzalez all of Pinos. I have been able to go back a few generations. I have been researching and looking for baptismal records, birth registrations, marriage and death records and have had some luck and have gotten stuck in other parts of the family. I am so happy to be among people who share my same interest. Thank you again.

Here is my URL https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/mhernandez

Rodrigo Carvajal y Figueroa

Buenas tardes a todos
Tengo entendido que Rodrigo Carvajal y Ulloa, que fue casado con Juana Lomelin, fue hijo de Rodrigo Carvajal y Figueroa y de Melchora de los Reyes, pero no he podido encontrar alguna fuente primaria que lo respalde. Igualmente tengo entendido que Rodrigo Carvajal y Figueroa era hijo de otro Rodrigo de Carvajal y Ulloa y de doña Francisca Figueroa y Temiño de Bañuelos, hija a su vez de don Frnacisco de Figueroa y de doña Ana Temiño de Bañuelos, quien fuera esposa en primeras nupcias de Pedro Pacho. ¿Existen fuentes primarias que prueben esta filiación?
Muchas gracias por su atención y ayuda

MIguel Rodríguez de Santa Ana y Sebastiana Pérez de Frías

Hi fellow researchers, I've been inactive in genealogy for quite a bit, true it is that I'm almost "retiring" from it, a least to some extent, as I kind of answered the two / three questions I had when I started 15 years ago. Never the less, there are a couple of things that still gives me an "itch", been the main one the unknown (to me) identity of Miguel Rodríguez de Santa Ana, who is my oldest ancestor on a direct father to father line. I only know about some of his kids (all from familysearch.org database).

I wonder if someone has found who he was, specially since he married a 'de Frías' which I know is been extensively researched in this forums. This following part in a post by Mr. Steven Hernandez mentions similar names:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19163?page=1

...x. Sebastiana Pérez de Frías, born ca. 1666 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México; died Unknown; married (1) Nicolás Rodríguez de Santana ca. 1685 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México; born ca. 1662 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México; died Unknown; married (2) Francisco de Legaspi 10 December 1710 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México; born ca. 1660 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México; died 02 February 1733 in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.

More About Nicolás Rodríguez de Santana and Sebastiana Pérez de Frías:
Marriage: ca. 1685, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México....

I'm not sure if anything else is known about the groom. These Rgz de Santa Ana are quite tricky due to the constant skipping of their last part of their surname, I know they seems to be very close and related to the Lozano and Quiralte/Quirarte, all of this in Nochistlán and around, but very little I had come across with it.

I'm leaving the topic more as a note to my self than a full question, leaving this door open to any of your comments that in a future may take me in any specific direction. I'm planning on writing down (finally) all I found about my last name and ancestors, and genealogy in general in a little booklet, I have many brick walls here and there, but hopefully will serve as a source to others behind me.

Thank you for any comment or clue you may want to share.

R. J. Quiralta

CORONA: Álvarez Corona, Fernández Corona, González Corona

I believe I have found the parents of doña Isabel Álvarez Corona, the wife of conquistador don Martín Monje, giving us the origin of the above compound surnames:

1. According to his testamento, dated 16 Jun 1590, Juan Fernández Nieto was the son of conquistador Alonso Martín and doña Beatriz Álvarez, and he was married to doña Catalina de León. He mentions Martín Monje, who he identifies as his “cuñado,” so we know that Catalina de León was the daughter of don Martín Monje and doña Isabel Álvarez Corona. He names as their children Juan Fernández Corona (20), doña Catalina Corona (18), doña Beatriz Nieto (16), Martín Monje (14), and Hernán González Corona (13).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69JN-G?cat=198356

2. Pedro de Trejo was married to doña Isabel de León, daughter of don Martín Monje and doña Isabel Álvarez Corona. On 22 May 1568, he was tried by the Holy Inquisition for “proposiciones hereticas.” Three of the witnesses presented against him were his cuñados, doña Catalina de León (age 24 and widow of miner Cristóbal de Girón), Martín Monje (19) and doña Antonia de León (14). Another witness was the above-mention Juan Fernández Nieto, who is identified as the cousin of the previous three witnesses, and nephew of doña Isabel Álvarez Corona. The obvious connection would be between her and his mother, Beatriz Álvarez, since they have the same surname (if this is so, then he and his wife, doña Catalina de León, were 1st-cousins).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-CQVJ-F?cat=31792

3. In 1554, Juan Infante accused Juan Fernández Corona and Garci Álvarez Corona of building a house and corral on his land, and he brought suit against them. At first glance, I thought that this Juan Fernández Corona was the son of Juan Fernández Nieto and doña Catalina de León, and Garci Álvarez was his cousin, the son of Martín Monje and doña Leónor de la Torre, but this would not be possible, since this lawsuit transpired between the years 1554 and 1565, before those two were born. Upon reading the document, I discovered that these two men were brothers, and were the sons of Hernán González Corona, vecinos de Guayangarao. As the two brothers were contemporaries of doña Isabel Álvarez Corona (and her supposed sister, Beatriz Álvarez), and seeing how doña Isabel had grandsons named “Garci Álvarez Corona,” “Juan Fernández Corona” and “Hernán González Corona,” I can’t help but think they are her brothers, and therefore, she is the daughter of Hernán González Corona.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-7X9C?cat=623294

4. Found at PARES/AGIS, and dated 8 Mar 1536: “Hernán González Corona and Catalina González, su mujer, con Alonso, García, Juanico, Beatriz, Leonor, Mayor e Isabel, sus hijos, vecinos de Guadalcanal, a Nueva España.”

This is undoubtedly the same Garci Álvarez Corona and Juan Fernández Corona, sons of Hernán González Corona, mentioned in the above lawsuit. While I can’t say with complete certainty that the cited daughters Beatriz and Isabel are Beatriz Álvarez and Isabel Álvarez Corona, I think it’s highly likely, given that the names of these three men appear among the descendants of both of these women. Hopefully, some day, we can find the documentation to confirm these relationships.
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/6049580

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PADRONES - Diocesis de Guadalajara 1639-1875

Hola prim@s,

Here are links to padrones of various parishes of the Diocesis de Guadalajara, years 1639-1875.
Aquí enlaces a los padrones de varias parroquias de la Diocesis de Guadalajara, años 1639-1875. Entre ellas: Guadalajara, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, Cuquio, Sta Maria de Lagos, San Juan de Lagos, Tequila, Teocaltiche, La Barca, Zapotlan, Purificacion, Encarnacion, Cienega de Mata, Teul, Juchipila, Jerez, Zacatecas, Jalpa, Nochistlan, San Matias Pinos, Asientos AGS, San Sebastian Venado, Monterrey NL y mas.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/32677?availability=Family%2…

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Batres en Zac/Aguas.

Hola a todos. I am researching the Batres line in Zacatecas/Aguascalientes. This was my paternal grandfather’s mother’s line. I have only been able to go back to late 1800s using familysearch.org. Does anyone have family information or ideas on how to expand the search in this area? I’m glad to share what I have found so far with anyone out there who may have connections to this family name. The info I have is for Zacarias Batres and Petra Garcia, parents of Cleofas Batres, who married Maria de Jesus Almeida in 1874 in Fresnillo. She was born in 1855 in Fresnillo. They had a daughter named Macaria Batres, born 10 Mar 1872 in Fresnillo. She is the mother of my grandfather, Canuto Batres Herrera, also born in Fresnillo.

Estoy en proceso de investigar la familia Batres en Zac./Aguas. Ésta fue la familia de la madre de mi abuelo paterno. Hasta ahora sólo llego a fines de los años 1800 usando familysearch.org . ¿Alguién tiene más información familiar ó ideas en cómo mejorar la búsqueda en este ámbito? Dispuesto a compartir lo que he descubierto con quienquiera tenga mas conexiones con este apellido. La información que tengo es de Zacarias Batres y de Petra Garcia, padres de Cleofas Batres, que se casó con Maria de Jesus Almeida en 1874 en Fresnillo. Ella nació en 1855 en Fresnillo. Ellos tuvieron una hija llamada Macaria Batres, nacida el 10 de marzo de 1872 en Fresnillo. Esta el la madre de mi abuelo, Canuto Batres Herrera, también nacido en Fresnillo.

Thanks/gracias.
Rick Fernández

HACERCA DEL APELLIDO DE ALMEIDA

DESEO SABER SI ALGUIEN, TIENE INFORMACION DEL APELLIDO ALMEIDA, LO ENCUENTRO EN MIS ABUELOS CUARTOS MATERNOS, EL MATRIMONIO ES OSEPH JOACHIN BAEZ Y LUISA CAYO ZEIJAS DE ALMEIDA, CASADOS UN 8 DE ENERO DE 1774 EN JALOSTOTITLAN, JAL, ENCUENTRO COMO PADRES DE LUISA A AGUSTIN DE ALMEIDA NACIDO EN 1703 Y CASADO CON JOSEPHA DE HERMOSILLO EN 10 DE FEBRERO DE 1727, EN SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS, LOS PADRES DE AGUSTIN DE ALMEIDA SON AGUSTIN DE ALMEIDA Y MARIA LUPERCIO, DE LOS CUALES YA NO HE PODIDO AVANZAR, HE PREGUNTADO CON PERSONAS DEL VALLE Y LOS ALTOS Y NO UBICAN EL APELLIDO ALMEIDA EN ESA ZONA, ALGUIEN DEL GRUPO HA ENCONTRADO, ESTE APELLIDO EN SU GENEALOGIA, ME ENCANTARIA TENER INFORMACION AL RESPECTO, LUISA TIENE UNA HERMANA LLAMADA JUANA DE ALMEIDA Y ESTUBO CASADA CON JOSEPH NICOLAS ALVARES TOSTADO. MI ABUELA LUISA TAMBIEN ESTUVO CASADA CON AUGUSTIN DIONICIO CASILLAS.

BUENO ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO, ATTE. LUPITTA

Capitán Juan Fonseca / Gertrudis Gómez de Aguilar

Hola a todos,

Espero puedan ayudarme. Estoy buscando información sobre el Capitán Juan Fonseca que casó con Gertrudis Gómez de Aguilar en segundas nupcias. Yo desciendo de su hija Francisca.
El matrimonio de Juan Fonseca con Gertrudis Gómez de Aguilar se celebró el 2 de enero de 1715 en Tecolotlán, Jalisco. En el registro se señala que él es viudo de Magdalena de Escobar.
Murió antes de 1766, pues en el registro de matrimonio de su hijo Juan Fonseca Aguilar ya aparece como difunto.
¿Se sabe quiénes eran sus padres?

¡Muchas gracias!

Joseph Simon Gutierrez Coronado and Juana Ayala y Valdivia

I have recently connected myself to Joseph Simon Gutierrez Coronado and Juana Ayala y Valdivia.

Does anyone have any information regarding the ancestors of this couple? They are having children in Jalostotitlán from at least 1703 - 1714. Unfortunately marriage records just prior to this date are not available.

I have a feeling Juana will connect somehow (probably daughter) to Blas Valdivia y Mendoza and Juana Leal de Ayala.

Thanks,
Alex

Hold The Contributions For Now

Thank you to Manny Diez, Raquel Ruiz and Daniel Pedrero for joining the other 22 individuals in contributing to the Site Revival/Update/Maintenance fund. Please do not send more money just yet (later yes but now just wait a bit) as the NR FB Workgroup has not come together as a body and made decisions that will determine the future of the nuestrosranchos.org group. Many many thanks to Lee Ingram (and the rest of the Tech Team) for temporarily reviving the group and hosting it to its temporary (notice I said that twice) location. His great work has bought us time to come together as a group to decide long term if the group will survive or eventually one day supernovae. Anyway thanks again for the contributions bringing our total monies collected to $836.24 (converting from Euros to Dollars produced the .24).