Juana Hurtado esposa de Salvador Lomelin

Hello, I am looking for information about Juana Hurtado. I know her parents were Nicolas Navarro and Josepha Hurtado de Mendoza and that she was baptized on July 8, 1697 in Ocotlan. I was just wondering if anyone had any information about her grandparent. Could Nicolas Navarro's parents be Pedro Navarro y Gaitan and Maria Cabrera? And I don't know who the parents of Josepha could be.

Hola, estoy buscando informacion aserca de Juana Hurtado. Se que sus padres eran Nicolas Navarro y Josepha Hurtado de Mendoza y que fue bautisada el dia 8 de July 1698 en Ocotlan. Alguien tiene informacion aserca de sus abuelos? Pueden ser los padres de Nicolas Navarro, Pedro Navarro y Gaitan y Maria Cabrera? No se quien puedan ser los padres de Josepha.

Help with XIX century mystery Jalisco

According to the informacion matrimonial of my ancestor Emeterio Ramirez who got married in Michoacan in 1858 he was 38 during that time and was from Teocaltiche Jalisco. It also says his parents were Santiago Ramirez and Rafaela Ponce but after reading other documents I think his father was actually called Santos Ramirez. 

Most of the files from that era and place including surrounding areas in Jalisco are indexed but I actually checked them anyway and found nothing. Apparently the family moved to Michoacan at some point but the only one who returned or remained there was his sister Josefa Ramirez who married Juan Gomez in 1847 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco. 

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong in my research, I dont have experience with this region so I would like to read other opinions on this brickwall. 

Informaciones matrimoniales y actas diversas - Antigua Diócesis de Michoacán. Thirteen FHL (FamilySearch.org) films index.

Hello forum.

The "Universidad Michoacana de San Nicolás de Hidalgo" got some films from "Archivo Histórico Casa de Morelos", the films are in one of the university's libraries. On 2012 they indexed the records in the films.

The good news is this: The films are also available at FamilySearch.

The information in the index is in Spanish, the records are numbered in the sequence they appear in the film. You have to browse the film to find the record you are interested in.

(The first indexed record in film 757243 starts in image 11 of 665. The first record in the film is missing)

Index: http://www.dgb.umich.mx/images/PDF/catalogos_iih/SERIE_03_ANTIGUO_OBISPADO.pdf

FHL film        Year(s)               Item in the index     No. of records

757243         1687                   ROLLO 3/075               117
757245         1687                   ROLLO 3/076                36
757248         1688                   ROLLO 3/077                68
757252         1689                   ROLLO 3/078                64
757253         1689                   ROLLO 3/079               119
757263         1691                   ROLLO 3/080                51
755456         1701                   ROLLO 3/081                69
755458         1699                   ROLLO 3/082                28
766499         1692                   ROLLO 3/083                82
766500         1692-1695         ROLLO 3/084                44
766504         1693                   ROLLO 3/085               117
766507         1694                   ROLLO 3/086                61
766515         1695-1698         ROLLO 3/087                80

I hope you can find some helpful information for your research.

JALOSTOTITLÁN PADRONES

Hola a todos,

Perhaps some of you already know of this, in which case it’s old news, but for some time, FamilySearch has made available access to the padrones of Jalostotitlán, beginning in 1650 (of which those of the 17th century are handily transcribed and published in a series of books by Sergio Gutiérrez, which I highly recommend):

1650-1837 Jalostotitlán padrones: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-WSZH?i=0&cat=2302…

And I just noticed the other day that they have finally uploaded the padrones of 1649 and 1689:

1649 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-27CL-ZCFL?view=explore…

1689 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-57C2-XSQP-H?view=explo…

While the rest of these padrones have been available, the 1689 padrón is new to me. This has helped bridge that gap between 1679 and the 1700s - an entire generation!

I hope you find these useful! Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Rosas last name

Hi Community and thank you very much for accepting me, I've been investigating several years regarding the last name Rosas which is a very common last name in San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco.

 

I was able to track my Ancestor Domingo de Roxas which was married to Joana Berrinches and had a son called Domingo Gregorio de Rosas which is also my direct ancestor, Domingo Gregorio was born 1728 in "Cañada de Botas" in Cocula, what I'm trying to know if is the Ancestor Domingo de Roxas was the same that was born in Guadalajara son of Nicolas de Rosas Gonzalez Romero and Ysabel Guzman Paz, since I have not found any marriage certificate from Domingo de Roxas and Joana Berrinches in Cocula, and I reviewed a lot of documents.

If you have something regarding this or if you could point me in the right direction I'll appreciate, or if you are also investigating Rosas I could add to your research

Thanks in advance!

Help finding lost dispensa

There is a dispensa that I misplaced notes or more likely didn't take notes on it. It lists two brothers: one Bernardino de Isla and the other Bernardino de Sandoval. From what i recall, the visual writing makes it liking between 1700 and 1750, and the relationship was in the narrative form within a paragraph (not separate from paragraph and listed line by line) and likely on the first page. The location was likely either Nochistlan, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, or Jalostotitlan.

I have tried searching the dispensas again, but have not found it, which makes me think it might be from a marriage information or from some other location.

Introduction / help with Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco

Introduction / Any help with  Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco. is appreciated!

Hi. I am Miguel and am honored to be able to participate in this amazing community.  Thank you Joseph! and Primos.

I’ve been working on a project for my wife for 8 months now on building her family three, but I’ve halted for 3 months on María Merced González (de Hermosillo Perez-Franco) / María (de la) Merced (Cleofás Micaela del Sacramento) González (Pérez)

She is reported on “Familias novohispanas. Un sistema de redes” and ancestry.com as Daughter to Rafael González de Hermosillo Zermeño and Mariana Josefa Pérez-Franco Prido  

However, I’ve not been able to match Rafael/Josefa to Merced on any other document (possibly because Mercedes only uses the last name Gonzalez and interchanges Mercedes for Maria de la Merced but mostly because I believe Rafael lived under the siege of the independence war).  I've updated some more info on https://nuestrosranchos.org/mllovera.

I’ve found 7 sources transcribed bellow supporting its offsprings as well as dates and geographical congruence but no explicit reference to Rafael or Josefa. Hence, here are my questions:

  1. Are your aware of any other research / document connecting Rafael/Josefa to Mercedes?
  2. I only have a snippet of “torres de Jaen”. Would someone have page 314 to look?
  3. I’ve tried testamentos https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/35680?availability=Family%2… but I am afraid this would not be successful given that Rafael Gonzalez Hermosillo lived turbulent times during the independence and also have not been able to locate the index for Lagos yet.
  4. Any other insight based on your expertise?

The research I have is below:

 

 

 

 

Searching for Huejuquilla el Alto and Valparaiso Families (Diaz,Banuelos,Perez,Carrillo)

Hello everyone, first of all, can someone please tell me if a person was born in Valparaiso during 1750-1800's, besides Huejuquilla el Alto, what other film (Parish) can I search through.

I am having no luck because alot of these films are not indexed yet for those years and I am still actively searching page by page images.

Specifically looking for parents of

1)Antonio Feliciano Diaz born around 1750-1760.
2)Maria Felipa Banuelos born around 1750-1760.
3)Manuel Salvador Perez born around 1750-1760.
4)Maria Felipa Carrillo born around 1750-1760.

Antonio Feliciano Diaz was Married to Maria Felipa Banuelos, children Maximo Diaz born about 1782 Huejuquilla and Magdalena Diaz born about 1786 in Valparaiso.

Manuel Salvador Perez married to Maria Felipa Carrillo, children Maria Juana Petra Perez born about 1789 in Huejuquilla (married to Maximo Diaz above)

If you have any one of these names in your Family Tree could you please let me know.
Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Help understanding document. Ana de Herrera (Juan Marin de Penaloza)

I need help understanding this document. I think it says Juan de Analis and Francisca de Herrera are the maternal grandparents, but then who are Diego Vasquez de Buendia and Juana Velasquez? Are they the great grandparents?

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6F39-P?cc=1874591&wc=3J4S-… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Capellanías 1685-1855 > image 517 of 615; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

Ongoing search for ORNELAS Orgin.

Hello all.
Been a few years since I last posted here, and glad to see the site is still strong.
Some kind person, whose name I stupidly forgot helped me trace my ancestry a ways back and now I suspect that our origin may have been José "Jusepe" de Ornelas,  In San Juan De Los Lagos, and that his father or grandfather may have been Álvaro de Ornelas y Perestrello, born 1561, in Caniço, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal,  and that his father was João Alvaro De Ornelas E Vasconcelos, born 1538, and that our entire family line begins in Santa María de los Lagos, Intendencia de Guadalajara, Reino de Nueva Galicia, New Spain.
Anyone with better information or who can help  figure out where our name Came from originally  (I believe it cams from Santa Comba De Fornelas, Puebla del Brollón, provincia de Lugo, Galicia, (Spain)  or its  etymology, (I have three separate theories) please feel free to contact me!
Thanks!
Piero Ornelas. Hijo De Raphael. 

The mtDNA of Josefa Diaz marrried with Miguel Diaz Montañez

Hey all,  

It has been some time since I have posted. I recently asked a granddaughter of my great-great grandfather Antonio Lopez’s sister who is direct living female descendant of Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez (son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diez).  

A bit of background, according to a tree online, Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez wed on April 7, 1641, en Pinos, Zac, Reino de Nueva Galicia. I do not think I have their marriage document. Perhaps her parents are shown on their marriage doc? 

Josefa Diaz is of significant importance to me because not only do I descend from her on this line, but I am also a descendant of her on eleven other lines.  

To this day I have not found a primary source that shows who her parents are. Armando Antunano, Sanchiz Family Tree and Family Search Tree has her as daughter of Juan Diaz de la Huerta and Isabel Martin de Sotomayor. This would make Josefa Diaz granddaughter of Maria de las Ruelas. I am wondering how this was concluded. Or if there is a document that shows Josefa Diaz as daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor.  

La abuela Maria de las Ruelas is my ancestor on seven other lines. In this case, I am wondering if there is a connection to my Josefa Diaz. 

I am extremely interested in figuring this out because there is the possibility of knowing more about the origin of la abuela Maria de las Ruelas through my ancestor Josefa Diaz.  

After taking the 23andme DNA test, my relative’s mtDNA came back as J1c which is of European origin. Even, King Richard III was a descendant of the same J1c female. This means that my great-great grandfather’s maternal line is of haplogroup J1c, and therefore Josefa Diaz would be of mtDNA J1c.  

If my ancestor Josefa Diaz is indeed daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor, and therefore granddaughter of Maria de las Roelas this would infer with all genealogical and genetic evidence as of now that Maria de las Roelas may have been a peninsular woman or a criolla herself. Is there any knowledge of Maria de las Ruelas mtDNA?

Wondering if any of you have more information or knowledge.  

It would be of immense help.  

 

¡Hola a todos!

Ha pasado un tiempo desde la última vez que publiqué. Recientemente, le pedi a una nieta de mi tatarabuelo, quien es una descendiente maternal directa de Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez (hijo de Juan Montañez y Sebastiana Díaz) que se hiciera una prubea de 23andme.

Un poco de contexto: según un árbol genealógico en línea, Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez se casaron el 7 de abril de 1641 en Pinos, Zacatecas, Reino de Nueva Galicia. No creo tener su documento de matrimonio. Quizás sus padres estén registrados en ese documento.

Josefa Díaz es de gran importancia para mí, ya que no solo desciendo de ella en esta línea, sino que también soy descendiente de ella en once otras líneas.

Hasta el día de hoy, no he encontrado una fuente primaria que muestre quiénes eran sus padres. Armando Antunano,  Sanchiz y el árbol de Family Search la tienen como hija de Juan Díaz de la Huerta e Isabel Martín de Sotomayor. Esto haría a Josefa Díaz nieta de María de las Ruelas. Me pregunto cómo se llegó a esta conclusión o si hay un documento que muestre a Josefa Díaz como hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor.

María de las Ruelas es mi antepasada en siete otras líneas. En este caso, me pregunto si hay una conexión con mi Josefa Díaz.

Estoy muy interesado en resolver esto, ya que hay la posibilidad de conocer más sobre el origen de María de las Ruelas a través de mi antepasada Josefa Díaz.

Después de realizar la prueba de ADN de 23andMe, el mtDNA de mi pariente resultó ser J1c, de origen europeo. Incluso, el Rey Ricardo III era descendiente de la misma mujer J1c. Esto significa que la línea materna de mi bisabuelo es del haplogrupo J1c, y por lo tanto, Josefa Díaz sería de mtDNA J1c.

Si mi antepasada Josefa Díaz es realmente hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor y, por lo tanto, nieta de María de las Ruelas, esto inferiría con toda la evidencia genealógica y genética hasta ahora que María de las Ruelas pudo haber sido una mujer peninsular o una criolla ella misma. ¿Hay algún conocimiento sobre el mtDNA de María de las Ruelas?

¿Tienen mas información o conocimiento ustedes?

Sería de gran ayuda.

Book about Fernandez de Hijar y Bracamonte

just FYI:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes ????
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:29:37 -0500
From: bobby jim
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <4ADB3AB5.1070009@nc.rr.com>

Pues gracias por avisarme. Lamento no poder 'cuajar' con su grupo.

Pues sí, los hermanos Fernandez de Híjar nacieron en Epila, Aragón,
España, pero al llegar a la Nueva España, se ubicaron en Compostela, y
de allí venimos todos los hijaranos en México.
Toditítos.

Le recomiendo un libro (si lo puede encontrar):

De Jesus Amaya: 'Los conquistadores Fernandez de Hijar y Bracamonte'
Edición del estado de Jalisco. 1952. comenzando en la página 93.

Saludos, Roberto Híjar y Frías

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:56
Subject: Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes ????

> Si sus antepasados no son de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes el
> grupo nuestrosranchos.org no es para usted.
>
> joseph
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo Revisited & Revised (My Two Cents)

Hello everyone,

This thread is intended to be a continuation of two earlier threads regarding the Benavides trunk started by Manny and Ronnie as seen here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/23035

and here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210

I have been looking closely at dispensations regarding the Benavides, Cortes, and Aguayo lines. I believe I have come up with a clearer picture of the earliest generations. At a quick glance, it may seem that many of these dispensations contradict each other, but this is because we have been trying to couple them with what the secondary sources say about these individuals. First let us start with forgetting any preconceived notions about the Benavides trunk — especially what we may think we know about “Geronima de Benavides” and “Catalina Cortes”. Let us just focus on exactly what is being said in the dispensations. Only then do they fit together quite nicely without any contradictions that I have seen so far.

The following are 7 dispensations that help make sense of the Benavides trunk. It helps to look at them in a certain order.

PART 1: THE EARLY BENAVIDES

DISPENSA 1. GASPAR LOMELIN & MARIA MEDINILLA
4 Dec 1678, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THT7-B?mode=g&i=112&wc=MC7…

This one is the oldest and thus the closest chronologically to the Benavides trunk. Here Maria Medenilla, the widow of Nicolas Carbajal, is marrying Gaspar Lomelin. All three are descended from three siblings named as: a Geronima de Benavides, a Luis de Benavides, and a Catalina Cortes.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes
Mariana Ortiz-2-N.N.-2-N.N.
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Right away you are probably thinking that these testigos must be wrong -- that Catalina Cortes could not have been a sister to Geronima and Luis de Benavides. Well, just bear with me for a moment. This dispensation does prove that Geronima de Benavides, Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes were siblings, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides). Looking at this first dispensation this way instantly solves many problems with the proceeding lineages.

We know from Maria Medinilla’s first marriage (dated 29 Feb 1672) that Nicolas Carvajal was the son of Juan Carvajal and Jacinta de Oliva. As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THRN?mode=g&i=196&wc=3P9N-…

We know from the marriage of Nicolas’ parents (dated 25 Jun 1633) that Jacinta also appears as “Jacinta de Benavides.”As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THC5?mode=g&i=142&cc=18044…

According to Gonzalez-Leal, Jacinta de Oliva was daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and a Geronima de Benavides, who was the daughter of Luis de Benavides. We also know from other sources and that Lucas Lomelin is the son of a Maria de Benavides and Carlo Lomelin. The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Geronima de Benavides (I)-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes (II)
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima de Benavides (II)-2-Maria de Benavides (I)
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Note: I originally thought that the Catalina Cortes who died in 1652 was Catalina (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides), but I cannot deny the possibility that she may really be Catalina Cortes (II), their daughter. The record can be seen here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M…

{{{Note: the first marriage of Maria Medinilla to Nicolas Carvajal (dated 29 Feb 1672, Nochistlan) (seen here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-766-62?cc=1804458&wc=M…) says that this couple is related in 2 and 3 degrees. This would seem to contradict the tree above but it does not. The relation is via another line. The tree is seen below:

Trunk N.N. & Gonzalo Yanez del Monte& Geronima de Benavides (II)
Juan Yanez-1-Jacinta de Oliva
Mariana Yanez-2-Nicolas Carvajal
Maria Medinilla-3-}}}

Catalina Cortes (II) IS the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I), as proposed by Gonzalez-Leal in Retones, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is not the one who was married to Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. That Catalina Cortes (III) appears next.

DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ & JOSEPHA LOZANO
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…

Holcombe says that Geronimo de Benavides is the son of Diego de Benavides. Gonzalez-Leal gives in Retonos that Luis de Benavides and Geronimo de Benavides are brothers and that Luis de Benavides is also a son of Diego de Benavides. This Dispensation was probably the source for that information, however, I think this dispensation was misread. Looking carefully at the penmanship in this dispensation, “Geronimo” de Benavides is never mentioned, but two “Geronima” de Benavides’ are. One is the sister of Luis de Benavides and the other is his daughter. Geronima de Benavides (sister of Luis) is clearly given as the mother of yet another Catalina Cortes.

The Tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5

The Tree filled in
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5

Since dispensa's 1 & 2 pass through the Yanez, than we know that the Luis de Benavides in dispensa 1 & 2 are definitely the same person. This means his sister Geronima de Benavides (I), mentioned in dispensa 1 & 2, is the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval).

DISPENSA 3. THOMAS DE PAEZ & FRANCISCA DE TORRES
27 Mar 1686 Jalostotitlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-15365-43?cc=1874591&wc…

This dispensation shows that the father of the groom is the first cousin of the grandfather of the bride.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: N.N. & Catalina Cortes (II)
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4

The Geronima de Benavides in this dispensation cannot be the same Geronima in dispensas 1 & 2, who is shown to be the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortez (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval). When you plug this Maria de Benavides (I) back into dispensa 1, it shows that this Geronima is the third one to appear. This Geronima de Benavides (III) was the one married to Nicolas or Francisco Paez. (Holcombe says Nicolas, Gonzalez-Leal says Francisco).

This must be why in “Genealogia de Nochistlan” by Jose Luis Vazquez, it states in chapter 59, page 197, that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides AND Catalina Cortes, but in chapter 22, page 80, it states that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo). The Geronima in chapter 59 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (I) (mother of Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III)[wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval]). The Geronima in chapter 22 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (III) (wife of Nicolas/Francisco Paez and daughter of Catalina Cortes (II)[de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo]).

DISPENSA 4. JUAN DE ESQUIBIAS & MARIA YNIGUEZ
01 Jan 1693, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6P9J-Z1?i=223&cc=1874591

This dispensation says that the maternal grandfather of Juan de Esquibias, Lorenzo Yanez, and the maternal grandmother of Maria Yniguez, Maria de Benavides (II), were first cousins.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
N.N.-1-N.N.
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez

The tree filled in:
Trunk: Luis de Benavides & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides (II)-1-N.N. de Benavides
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez

We know from Dispensa 2 that the Yanez come from Geronima de Benavides (II) (wife of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and daughter of Luis de Benavides). In order for Maria de Benavides (II) (wife of Andres Cueva) to be a first cousin of Lorenzo Yanez, she must be a granddaughter of Luis de Benavides.

Note: Luis de Benavides now has two descendants named Jacinta: a granddaughter named Jacinta de Oliva, and a great-granddaughter named Jacinta Cueva. It leaves open the possibility that Luis may have been married to a Jacinta de Oliva as well.

PART 2: THE AGUAYO CONNECTION

The three branches of the Aguayo family are started by three siblings: Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran). There are several dispensations that prove that these three are siblings, but I will not get into those here. I would rather focus on their parents. Secondary sources say that their parents were a Diego de Aguayo and an Ysabel de Silva. We can see by the marriage of Ysabel de Silva’s son Diego that she is a widow as of 1633. This would imply that her husband died before this date. But was Diego de Aguayo really her husband? The following dispensations paint a slightly different picture:

DISPENSA 5. DIEGO DELGADILLO & YSABEL DE AGUAYO
7 Jan 1704, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18553-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

Diego Delgadillo, widow of Petronila de Isla, is marrying Ysabel de Aguayo. Both Petronila and Ysabel are great-grandaughters of two siblings. The first testigo names these two siblings as Juan de Benavides and Geronima de Benavides, but does not specify who descends from whom. (This is probably where Holcombe’s confusion of the Aguayo’s being descended from Geronima de Benavides came from.) The first testigo then goes on to say that the siblings are the children of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes. (So far, this is the only accessible primary record that I have seen that actually names this trunk couple.) The second testigo specifies that Ysabel de Aguayo is the great-granddaughter of Juan de Benavides and that Petronila de Isla is the great-granddaughter of Geronima de Benavides. The third testigo only traces back to their grandparents. We already know from Dispensa 2 that Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval) is the daughter of Geronima de Benavides (I) (sister of Luis de Benavides), so the filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Diego de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Juan de Aguayo-3-Mariana de Sandoval
Ysabel de Aguayo-4-Petronila de Isla

This dispensation proves that the three siblings: Geronima de Benavides (I), Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes (II), had an additional sibling: Juan de Benavides. It does seem odd that Juan de Benavides would be the patriarch of a family line that carries the name “Aguayo,” but the dispensations point in this direction. Come to think of it, I have not seen an accessible primary source that specifically names Ysabel de Silva’s husband as a Diego de Aguayo.

DISPENSA 6. CARLOS CARRILLO & MAGDALENA DE SANDOVAL
29 May 1707 Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-2989-38?cc=1874591&wc=…

Carlos Casillas is said to be the great-grandson of Juan de Benavides, and Magdalena de Sandoval is said to be the great-grandaughter of Geronima de Benavides (I). The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Regina de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Francisca Duran-3-Geronimo de Sandoval
Carlos Casillas-4-Magdalena Sandoval

DISPENSA 7. JUAN DE SANDOVAL & MARIA DURAN
11 Jan 1687 Nochistlan (IM) /9 Jul 1707 (Mar)
(IM)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-22789-41?cc=1804458&wc…
(Mar)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T49Y-LF?mode=g&i=161&cc=18…

Testamentaria de Aguascalientes de las Familias Gallardo, Gil, Macías de Ortega, Quezada, Salas de Bonilla, etc.

Hola amigos, desde hace tiempo quiero conseguir algunos testamentos para mi investigación genealógica y no se como conseguirlos, no se si ustedes me pueden proporcionar ayuda en este sentido.

Quiero conseguir el testamento de Francisco Gil, que murió en 1720 y que testó ante Don Baltazar de Aguilera. También quisiera saber donde y como conseguir memorias extrajudiciales, no se si existen todavía o no.

Quiero saber de algunas familias de Aguascalientes, como los ancestros de:

Simón Salas de Bonilla y Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano.
Sebastiana López de Estrada, mujer de José Macías de Ortega.
Antonio Macías de Ortega y Rosa María de Quezada.
María de la Cruz, mujer de Pedro Salas de Bonilla.
Francisco Gil y María Magdalena Gallardo.
Agustín Marín de Peñaloza y Jacinta de Villalobos.
También desciendo de otras familias de Aguascalientes, como los Romo de Vivar, Lozano Isla, Macías Valadez, Marentes de Otaduy, López de Nava, Quiijas y Escalante, Tiscareño de Molina, Ruiz de Esparza, pero son líneas que ya están muy estudiadas y ya las tengo completas hasta su tronco neogallego.

Si me pueden ayudar con algo se los agradeceré muchísimo, y veré en que puedo ayudarlos a ustedes. Mis estudios genealógicos se centran mas en Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán y San Miguel el Alto, aunque tengo ancestros en San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotlán, todos en Jalisco; y también alguno que otro en Nochistlán y Jalpa, Zacatecas; otros en Aguascalientes; y unos pocos en Michoacán.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Bringing back Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval

Hello, everybody!

I am here to bring back the Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval mystery. I have been trying to gather as much information as possible, and nothing really fits just fine. I have read that the most accepted theory is perhaps that he is son of Lope de Moscoso Osorio and Leonor de Sandoval, but that doesn't quite fit.

I read in this same forum that this could be the case, since in Nobiliario genealógico de los reyes y títulos de España (https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=Vs0WAAAAQAAJ&hl=es&pg=GBS.PA332) it is stated that they had 10 children, yet only some of them are mentioned. However, they actually are there (Gaspar, Baltasar, Melchor, Rodrigo, Antonio, Isabel, María, Catalina, Francisca and Ana), and I've come across many sources (such as http://www.royalrurikovich.com/images/genealogy/moscoso.pdf) that fully describe their lineage, without any Juan in it.

In the same document, however, we can see the house of "Vazquez de Moscoso". We must remember that, in another source that I found in this website (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ilkq4isy5xernu/Sandoval%20L%20F%20%282004%29…), there is a quick mention of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval, son of Mateo Vasquez de Sandoval. Another user stated this makes sense, since the surname Vazquez can be found later in the tree. This is the only mention in which I've found Moscoso and Vazquez together; still, no trace of any Mateo was found.

However... yet another user posted a document (http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/440989) where Francisco de Sandoval and Juan de Sandoval (brothers) ask to go from Alcabon to Mexico. Now, this document is really hard to read and I haven't been able to understand a lot of it, but it is from 1607 and it states that Juan is young at that point and they want to move since they have relatives who wanted them there because they are lonely. It would make sense to think of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval at a young age at this point. This document says these guys are sons of Pedro de Sandoval and Catalina Martin.

Also, I'd like to take into account that surnames in this period are rather ambiguous and hard to trace. In my own tree I found Juan Manuel de Moscoso y Sandoval, then Moscoso disappeared for two generations (his father, Tomás, and his grandfather, Nicolás, appear everywhere I looked as just "Sandoval", and then Juan brings back "Moscoso". Furthermore, in the family of Lope and Leonor we can find a whole bunch of irregularities in last names.

My question would then be as follows: is it possible that our Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval is related to the spanish Moscoso y Sandoval family as a cousin? Perhaps some side of the Vasquez de Moscoso also got involved with the Sandoval family (again, it was not uncommon for last names to apper over and over in more than one side of families), thus birthing in some point Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval and eventually Juan?

Or, maybe Mateo Vazquez de Sandoval is the relative Francisco and Juan are coming with, thus the last names don't quite match?

There are so many dead ends and so much information that still cannot be verified with a document. However, I feel like we can get closer to solving this by making assumptions that can light up a path where we can search for further information. Also, I feel like the document of Francisco and Juan de Sandoval could be helpful if we could only understand the very cryptic handwritting.

Any help is very, very welcome. Has anyone found any helpful information?

Attn: Guillermo Tovar de Teresa y otros interesados Mota-Padilla y los Méndez de Torres

Estimado Guillermo:

La verdad es que ni sé el orgigen de este don Diego de la Mota Padilla casado con Leonor de Hermosillo, pero si hubo otros Diegos contemporaneos. Podía ser hijo de Diego de la Mota Padilla y Catalina Cortés. Tengo muchísimos Mota-Padilla que francamente no se han podido conectar con el tronco. Digo sea hijo de Diego y Catalina por que sus hijos se radicaron a Xalostotitlán pero sólo sospecho basado en eso. Esta familia requiere mucho estudio ya que llego descendenia en todo punto cardinal de la Nueva Galicia.

Personalmente por mi línea Méndez de Torres desciendo dos veces de los Mota-Padilla una línea que se radicó en Zamora en el Obispado de Michoacán. Unas de mis tres líneas Méndez de Torres en mi línea agnática es mi séptimo bisabuelo el Alférez Real Joseph Méndez de Torres quien casó a Antonia de Solís el 3 de mayo de 1682 en San Martín de Zamora hija de un Diego de la Mota-Padilla y María de Solís. No sé como mi Diego Mota-Padilla y los otros Diego Mota-Padilla tienen parentesco. Por el momento aquí termina esta línea de Mota-Padilla.

Otra de mi línea Mendez de Torres se encuentra Antonio Méndez de Torres todavía desconozo sus padres pero debería ser bisnieto de Diego Méndez de Torres el viejo, casó Nicolasa Méndez de Torres quien fue bautizada en San Martín de Zamora el 9 de diciembre de 1702 hija de Joseph Méndez de Torres y Isabel de la Mota-Padilla. Hubo bastante Joseph Méndez de Torres, y de nuevo desconozco más de esta línea. Este Joseph debería ser nieto de Diego Méndez el viejo.

Ya terminé mi línea agnaticia me da consuelo, paz y tranquilidad. Ahora es veriguar el asunto sobre la ciudad de México y lo de Portugal. Mi línea termina ca. 1575 con don Diego Méndez de Torres, Alcalde Ordinario y Regidor de Zamora. También gracias a un pariente me proporcionó muchos datos que incluyó una capellanía que mi familia fundó.
Consultaré el testamento de don Diego Méndez de Torres ojalá que menciona sus padres y su origen. Puede ser Portugal o la ciudad de México que sospecho, una cosa es cierto Diego no era de Zamora, Michoacán eso ya está establecido, llegó ca. 1610 dondé casó María Gómez-Arias de Vedoya hija del Alcalde Ordinario de Zamora, la dicha era originaria de León.

Una dia planeo de publicar una monografia sobre mi familia los Mendez de Torres hay mucho que estudiar y se vincularon con todas las familias del Obispado de Michoacan hasta llegaron a la Nueva Galicia y regresaron a la ciudad de Mexico.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

New Member

Hello, I'm Valerie Cefre, maiden name Garcia (y Guzman), and I'm very excited to join such an incredible group of people dedicated to chronicling the past for our future generations to enjoy! My mother was born in Zacatecas and my father was born in southern California and for most of my life, that's all I really knew about either side of my extended family. Both my parents had difficult childhoods which meant that they generally avoided taking about the past. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother was in her last days that my extended family (her in-laws) came to visit, from Texas! I was surprised to see my great uncles in Wrangler jeans, boots, and cowboy hats. My dad casually said that his father's side was from Corpus Christi as if it were common knowledge. Years later, my husband wanted to work on his family tree and I decided to do my side along with him but I didn't expect to find much since my mother was born in Nochistlán and my dad's maternal side came from Nuevo León. I was very surprised to find that the Mexican civil records and Catholic church records were so detailed and easy to find. By about my 4th generation in, I was hooked. I've been working on my family tree for about 7 years. Pretty much all of my work is on my Ancestry.com tree, I've included the link below and I'm more than happy to send an invite link if needed. I've learned so much while doing this research and I am thrilled to learn from this incredible group. I hope that I can contribute to the collective understanding of how we are all beautifully connected to each other. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/172539693/family/familyview?c… https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/v.guzman-garcia

Miguel de Avalos y Teresa de Baez

Que tal compañeros, quiera saber si alguien tiene de ancestros a Miguel de Avalos casado con Teresa de Báez.

Tuvieron por hijo a
Cayetano de Avalos originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan (¿San Juan de los Lagos?) Caso en 1716 con Petrona Gutiérrez originaria de la hacienda de Potrerillos en Jocotepec, hija de Bernardo Camacho y Lorenza de la Cerna.

A Cayetano y Petrona se les dispenso por tercer grado de consanguinidad, ya que sus madres de ambos contrayentes eran primas hermanas.

Anexo la dispensa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-663J-V5?i=576&wc=12512…

New Member: Jorge Casarez

Hello-----I am Jorge Andres Casarez (y Sanchez)

My genealogy education began when my parents shared the names of their parents and grand parents.  

  • My mother born in DF/MXCD told me of her grandfather: Victoriano Sanchez Calderon. From Jilotepec, MX. In his family was someone who was Jewish and came from Aragon and Andorra.  
  • My Father Andres Casarez was born in Pleasanton, Texas, told me of his father Frumencio Casarez born in Webb County Texas and his father Plutarco Casares who came from and was born in Real de Catorce, San Luis De Potosi, who was married to Felicita Zamorra who was una Huasteca. 
    • The Texas lineage mixes with Esparza of the Alamo and the Huizar who was a surveyor for the Missions in the San Antonio and Justicia at San Jose Mission. 
  • And for many years that is all that I knew, then 25 years ago I started.  
  •  I am focusing on my Casarez ancestors. I have learned of the 1591 Tlaxcala Migration/Exodus/Quizaliztli of the soldiers and their families sent to Zacatecas and San Luis Potosi; the Crown needed help because of the silver mines and the Chichimecas. 
    • From internet I found that in that 1591 Migration there was a Juan de Caceres y su muger Juana
  • I hope to learn more about the resources available here and see how I can contribute.
  • I want to learn how to store items such as maps and find out if it is possible to show what I have found and maybe add links if possible to good sources. 

I was raised speaking English. I can speak Spanish but sadly, it will soon become clear that English is may first language. I can read it but as in speaking my vocabulary is not bad but not what I want. My writing is a bit worse. But I will read baptisms and maps and I will try to read in Spanish things like Don Quixote or Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz.... and admit it is ridiculously hard. I have memorized the first paragraph of Don Quitote and can't wait to tell family that at that time it was Lantejas not Lentejas and that it was mesmo not mismo as it is now. So I say this because I will admit that below is the product of Mr. Google...

I wish you all the very best and thank you for the membership.....JORGE C....................

Hola-----Soy Jorge Andres Casarez (y Sanchez)

  • Mi educación genealógica comenzó cuando mis padres compartían los nombres de sus padres y abuelos.
    • Mi madre nacida en DF/MXCD me contó de su abuelo: Victoriano Sanchez Calderon. De Jilotepec, MX. En su familia había alguien que era judío y vino de Aragón y Andorra.
    • Mi padre Andres Casarez nació en Pleasanton, Texas, me contó de su padre Frumencio Casarez nacido en Webb County Texas y su padre Plutarco Casares que vino y nació en Real de Catorce, San Luis De Potosí, que estaba casado con Felicita Zamorra que era una Huasteca.
      • El linaje de Texas se mezcla con Esparza del Álamo y los Huizar que fue agrimensor de las Misiones en San Antonio y Justicia en la Misión de San José.
    • Y durante muchos años eso fue todo lo que supe, luego hace 25 años comencé.
    • Me estoy enfocando en mis antepasados ​​Casarez. He aprendido de la Migración/Éxodo/Quizaliztli de Tlaxcala de 1591 de los soldados y sus familias enviados a Zacatecas y San Luis Potosí; la Corona necesitaba ayuda debido a las minas de plata y los chichimecas.
      • En Internet encontré que en esa Migración de 1591 había un Juan de Cáceres y su muger Juana.
  • Espero aprender más sobre los recursos disponibles aquí y ver cómo puedo contribuir.

Quiero aprender a almacenar elementos como mapas y averiguar si es posible mostrar lo que he encontrado y tal vez agregar enlaces si es posible a buenas fuentes.

Me crié hablando inglés. Puedo hablar español, pero lamentablemente, pronto quedará claro que el inglés es mi primera lengua. Puedo leerlo, pero en cuanto al habla, mi vocabulario no es malo, pero no es lo que quiero. Mi escritura es un poco peor. Pero leeré bautismos y mapas e intentaré leer en español cosas como Don Quijote o Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz... y admito que es ridículamente difícil. Me he aprendido de memoria el primer párrafo de Don Quitote y no veo la hora de contarle a mi familia que en aquel tiempo se llamaba Lantejas y no Lentejas y que era mesmo y no  mismo que ahora. Así que digo esto porque admito que lo que sigue es producto del Señor Google...

Les deseo a todos lo mejor y gracias por ser miembros....JORGE C

 


 

 

Vazquez de Mercado in Pinos, ZAC.

Recientemente encontré documentos que me ligan con Antonio Vázquez de Mercado y Rafaela Tomasa de Mota. Desciendo de su hijo Manuel Antonio (n. 1743, Pinos, ZAC), y casado el 13 de junio de 1763 en la hacienda de Espíritu Santo, en la jurisdicción de Pinos. Aparece como español, y casa con la mulata Gertrudis Lucinda, hija de Juan de Dios Cisneros y Micaela Gerónima. Me gustaría saber si tienen información acerca de esta familia en la región de Pinos. He visto que otras ramas de mi familia se extienden hacia Ciénega de Mata, Aguascalientes, Asientos, pero hasta ahora no he dado con ninguna coincidencia al respecto de los Vázquez de Mercado.

Adjunto el documento del matrimonio:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BMCT-C? 

Who is Cristobal Martinez Lozano de Lara, aka Cristobal Lozano Montesuma?

In 1685, Pedro D’Asa, resident of Tacotan, was granted a sitio de ganado mayor con ocho caballerias de tierra, one league from Cuxpala, in the jurisdiction of Juchipila. The grant was contested by Cristobal Martinez Lozano de Lara, as it included some lands that his deceased father, Cristobal Lozano, had petition the court for, some 4 years previous. Lozano’s co-plaintiff in the suit was Juana Lopez Mercado, the widow & heir of Francisco Lozano de Lara, his deceased brother & co-heir, as well as executor of their father’s estate; she was represented by her father, Nicolas Lopez Mercado.

These Lozano’s had their casa de morada on the puesto called El Mesquital, in the jurisdiction of Juchipila. The elder Cristobal Lozano had died in Nochistlan, apparently some time between 1681 & 1685. According to the plaintiffs, they had in their possession land deeds and documents, some as old as 130 years, including a signed affidavit claiming that the documents regarding the lands in question were destroyed by fire (though in later pages, I believe the judges said the documents they presented went back no further than 60 years). On one page of this suit, Cristobal Martines Losano de Lara (as he signed his name) is called “Cristobal Losano de Montesuma.”

My question is: WHO ARE THEY??? What is their connection - if there is one - to Cristobal Martinez Lozano of Aguascalientes? And what is their connection to Moctezuma?

At first, from the given timeline, I thought the elder Cristobal Lozano might have been the son of Cristobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Isla, of Aguascalientes; he could’ve owned lands in Juchipila, but, where would the “Lara” in his son’s surnames have come from? Cristobal Lozano de Isla was married to Mariana Gonzalez de Gardea, and as far as I know, she had no “Lara” in her ancestry. Plus, there is no record of these two having sons named Francisco and Cristobal. Another possibility is the older Cristobal Lozano was the son of Juan Lozano and Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval, baptized 5 Nov 1656 in Nochistlan, but he would’ve been too young to have a son of marrying age in 1685.

One thing I’ve noticed is that, representing Cristobal Martinez Lozano de Lara in this suit was Bartolome de Guzman y Santiesteban: this same Bartolome de Guzman y Santiesteban represented Juan Lozano de Gardea, when he expressed his wishes to ascend to higher orders on 26 Jan 1683. But for all I know, he was a solicitor from Guadalajara, and it is coincidental that he represented both parties.

Any thoughts?

Hope you’re all well!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Property records

Hello primos,

Does anyone have any idea where I could find property records.  My great grandfather owned a large amount of land in what was Jalisco in the Tepic department.  How did you buy it?  Was it passed to him?  Was it from a Spanish grant?  Anyone have an idea on where I can start?

Best,

AP

JUANA NAVARRO, MUJER DE BENITO DE ISLAS: HIJA DE MARTÍN NAVARRO

Hola prim@s,

This is a group of documents regarding some lands belonging to Andrea Gonzalez Bermejo, wife of Cristobal Barburen, of Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S93-C?i=191&cat=…

The lands were originally granted to Martin Navarro in October 1575 (image 209 btm right); he signed them over to his yerno, Benito de Yslas, as part of the dowry of his daughter, Juana Navarro (image 210 right). She in turn, (beginning on image 195) donated them to Antonio Gonzalez de Rubalcava and to Antonio de Bastidas, husbands of her granddaughters, Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Lozano, respectively, who were daughters of her daughter, Petronila de Yslas, married to Pedro Lozano. The donations were made in 1630, so Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Locano could have been born as late as 1618; you can do the math to figure out the approximate ages of everyone else involved. 
Tantalizing, ain’t it? While it can’t be said with complete certainty that the Martin Navarro spoken of is the same who was married to Petronila de Moctezuma, or that this Benito de Yslas is the same who was father of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas, the names, places, and dates do appear to match up (on image 210, bottom left, there is even mention of a Francisco Gonzalez and his wife, Maria ? de Yslas, who could be the natural daughter of Benito de Yslas and mestiza half-sister of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas …). And at least we now know more about the Juana Navarro who died in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651.
What do you think? 
Thanks to Valentina Veor, who shared this document at Rose Wischnewsky’s Descendants of Petronila de Moctezuma Facebook group.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo