Nuestros Ranchos Site

Sergio, muchas gracias por compartir tus hallazgos.

La ciudad de Utre en Génova es conocida hoy como Voltri (Vötri o Ütri en la lengua ligur).

• Voltri - Wikipedia (es)

Yes Huejucar and Guejucar is the same place. It is a valley where Calvillo, Ojocaliente and Huanusco make up. This is an area of expertise for me. My mother's family was primarily from Calvillo (Huejucar), Aguascalientes and Mexico City.

Chema

Huejucar is a twon in Jalisco, not in Zacatecas, is near to Colotlan and Jerez.

If one is labeleled as español and the other mestizo, and they are labeled correctly, then they are most likely half - siblings   The probability is higher of finding first  a record naming the parents of Nicolasa Vásquez (d. bef1735) - Espanola,    And then use his parents as a focal point to find his half siblings Melchora de los Reyes parents 

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Dispensa for Marcos de Espitia and Anastasia de Quesada: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6X9P-5P

There is an earlier NR thread about this family. Some of the information is dated and has been proven incorrect, but there's some interesting info about Maria Rubio's possible origins: https://nuestrosranchos.org/node/22015

According to one of the contributors, Pedro Hernandez cc Maria Rubio were among the founders of Lagos de Moreno. This might help support that: on 3 Feb 1569, a Pedro Hernandez was granted a titulo y merced de un sitio de estancia para ganado mayor and a caballeria de tierra in the jurisdiction of Lagos. I don’t know if it’s the same man: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-J7ND-X?view=explo…

You might already have this, their son, Lic. Cristobal Gutierrez, founded a capellania in July 1621: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DGJH-Y?i=259&wc=3JWY-T…

It includes the distribution of the estate of Pedro Hernandez to his heirs, naming the entire family group, including spouses of those already married (Catalina Rubio cc Luis Lopez Ramirez, Maria Rubio cc Juan Belmont Rangel). Cristobal and Leonor Gutierrrez were still minors (under 25), so their guardian ad litem, Pablo Garcia Crespo, was present. They do an appraisal of the real & chattel properties, and then a breakdown of how it was distributed. Maria Rubio says her son, Cristobal Gutierrez, who was about 22 years old (b.1599) wants to be ordained, which she wants too, so she donates the farm and everything to him. In Jan 1626, he was already a clerigo de menores ordenes and intended to advance to sacerdote. I took the liberty of looking through the Guadalajara archives and found his ordenes, with the hope that they’d include a limpieza de sangre, but they don’t, other than witnesses agreeing that he and his parents were all “old christians”. It does mention that Pedro Fernandez throughout his life served as teniente de alcalde mayor, alcalde ordinario, and regidor of the Villa de los los Lagos, as well as mayordomo of the parish church: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJBB-9?wc=3JW2-K68&lan…

I hope you find this helpful.
Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Rick, Edward's no. 12 is my 8th great-grandfather :) Btw, what is the source for saying he was born in Chalco? 

Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,

After reading the nobilario, I had more questions in my mind that led me back to Leonardo’s and Edward’s questions regarding the Osorio ancestry, so I went back to my notes and did more research.   I had originally told Edward that I believed that the Rojano/Riojano surname came from a “de Rojas” ancestry in our Osorio line.  But when I went back to look at out ancestral line with Maria Fernandez de Villalobos as Pedro Alvarez de Osorio’s wife I couldn’t find the Rojas line.   Then Leonardo questioned the ancestry.  Those thoughts were lingering as a cloud as I read the nobilario.  So yes the line starts with Juan Alvarez Osorio and his wife Aldonza de Guzman, but the nobilario doesn’t mention the wives names of Pedro Alvarez Osorio and Alvar Perez Osorio.   So I did more research which is hard on this family because there were so many Rodrigo, Alvaro, and Pedro Osorios in the family.  And it turns out that I needed to merge some of the Pedro Alvarez Osorios that I had researched.     Pedro Alvarez Osorio, son of Juan Alvarez Osorio and Aldonza Guzman, had at least four wives.    The book Anales de la Real Academia Matritense de Heraldica y Genealogia IV (1996-1997) does not even list Maria Fernandez de Villalobos as one of his wives, but she is found in other documents as his wife.     But this book specifically states that Alvaro Perez Osorio is the son of one of his other wives, Isabel de Rojas (daughter of Martin Sanchez de Rojas III, Señor de Monzon, and his wife Elvira Manrique).   This book also says that Alvar Perez Osorio had children  with Isabel de Losada out of wedlock.

So the tree looks like this:

1.)- Juan Alvarez Osorio + Aldonza Guzman

2.)- Pedro Alvarez Osorio + 

3.)- Alvar Perez Osorio + 

4.)- Martin Alvarez Osorio + Mariana Lopez Narices

5.)- Christóbal Diaz Narices + Estefanía Rodriguez

6.)- “el conquistador” Martin Lopez Osorio


1. Edward Rojano

2. Father (living)

3.Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4. Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5. Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6. José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7. José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8. José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9. José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10. Salvador Cornejo Ramírez: born 1689 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 28 June 1740 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

11. Antonio Cornejo Riojano: born 1658; died 14 June 1732 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

12. Alonso de Cornejo: born about 1600 in Chalco, Mexico; died November 1671 Mexico City.

13. Fernando de Gordíbar Osorio: born about 1550; deceased.

14. Martín Lopez Osorio (also known as Lope de Osorio) Conquistador de la Nueva España: born about 1493 in Sevilla, Spain; died approximately 1573

15.)- Christóbal Diaz Narices + Estefanía Rodriguez

16.)- Martin Alvarez Osorio + Mariana Lopez Narices
 

17. Álvaro Pérez Osorio “El Cojo”: born approx. 1348 en el Reino de León; deceased approx. 1406.   + 

18. Pedro Álvarez Osorio: born approx. 1303 in Reino de Castilla y León; deceased 14 November 1360 en Villanubla, Valladolid, Reino de Castilla y León. “Era adelantado mayor de tierra de León y Merino de Asturias cuando el rey don Pedro mandó darle muerte en Villanubla el 14 de Noviembre de 1360. MARTÍN FUERTES, Los Osario, op. cit. pág. 29. + Isabel De Rojas,  (daughter of Martin Sanchez de Rojas III, Señor de Monzon, and his wife Elvira Manrique).

19. Juan Álvarez Osorio: born approx. 1275 in Villaornate y Castro, Reino de Castilla y León; Deceaced approx. 1328.  + Aldonza Guzman.

20. Álvaro Rodríguez Osorio: born approx. 1235 in Villaornate y Castro, Reino de Castilla y León; Deceaced approx. in Benavente, Zamora, Castilla y León 1321.

21. Rodrigo Rodríguez Osorio: born approx.1200 in Astorga, Reino de León; deceased approx 1273. Took part in the conquest of Sevilla against the moors. Figura entre los donadíos adjudicados en el lugar de Bi~ena: a Rodrigo Rodríguez, fijode Rodrigo Osores, quarenta aranzadas e seis yugadas, anno e vez, e cambiarogelo en Behar (pág. 37) e igualmente en Soca~et: a Rodrigo Rodríguez Osores quarenta aranzadas e un par de casas, e cambiogelo despues en Behar (pág. 38). Igualmente figura con otras cuarenta yugadas en Alaquaz, donde es citado tras Diego López de Salcedo y Sancho Martínez de Xodar (pág. 156). En las dos primeras menciones aparece seguido de Martín González, fijo de Gonzalo Osores, y en la segunda se añade su primo (véase GONZÁLEZ, Repartimiento de Sevilla, op. cit. 11).

22. Rodrigo Osorio: born about 1166; deceased approx. From, Los Osorioun Linaje de Mas de Mil Años al Servicio de la Corona por Haime de Salazar y Acha, “XI-RODRIGO OSORIO, del que no sabemos casi nada. Estaba ya muerto en 1261, año en que su viuda y sus hijos pleitearon por San Román de Ornilla. Ella se llamaba doña EL VIRA FERNÁNDEZ<82

82.- Sobre esta generación nos ilustran dos documentos de San Pedro de Montes de 10 de junio de 1261 y de 26 de enero de 1272. El primero es una sentencia de Alfonso X sobre unas pro-

piedades en San Román de Ornilla, tras un pleito entre San Pedró de Montes y donna Elvira Ferrandez e sos fijos Rodrigo Rodriguez e Alvar Rodriguez. El segundo completa el anterior y se trata de la avenencia entre estos últimos,.fiyos de Rodrigo Osoyris e de donna Elvira Fernandez e de su tía donna Orraca Osoyriz e de Martin Gonzalez de Laguna e de suos herederos, con dicho monasterio. Parece claro que el tal Martín González es el primo citado como tal en el repartimiento de Sevilla (véase QUINTANA, San Pedro de Montes, op. cit. docs. 350 y 363, págs. 450 y465).

 23. Osorio González Señor de Villalobos (also known as Gonzalo Osórez) born approx 1130 ; died 30 May 1138.

24. El Conde Osorio Martínez: born approx 1108 in Villalobos, Zamora, Reino de Castilla y León; died in the battle of Lobregal 1st February of 1160 in Villabrámiga, Valladolid, Reino de Castilla y León.

25. El Conde Martín Flaínez: born before 1065; died battle of Uclés 30 May 1108 in the locality of Uclés.

26. El Conde Flaín Fernández: born approx. 1020 in Reino de León; died shortly after 1170.

27. El Conde Fernando Flaínez: born before 999 in Cea, Reino de León; died around 1053.

28. El Conde Flaín Muñoz (also knows as Flaín Nuñez in La Historia Roderici): born before 975; died before 1003.

29. Munio Flaínez (also known as Nuño Flaínez in La Historia Roderici: born before 943; died unknown, after 962 ( last documentation in the court was 962).

30. Flaín Ectaz: born approx. 932; died approx. 950.

31. Ecta: born in the first years of 10th  century; died unknown

Rick A. Ricci

Book: Mygenes2000

Hello Edward,

Martin Lopez Osorio’s family tree goes much farther in records according to an old book I read many years ago.  The book states the the lineage can be found in another book that is at the Smithsonian Library.   One day I will make it out there and look for that book.  

You and I are fifth cousins.  

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Ana,

You are not the only one looking for a reply button.   First  I want to answer your questions.    

(1)  My book is titled my genes2000     

 (2) The reference that I cite is "Napoli e Islam: storie de musulman schiava e rinnegati in eta moderna" by Giuliana Boccadano.
This book provides the information on when Porzia is baptized and that she belongs to Vincenzo Lomellini. The book also clarifies that "Porzia musulmana convertita al cristianesimo."  

(3) I think that you should focus on the Lomellini Spinola line as the ancestry of Carlo Lomelin (Carlos Lomellini) and Luis Lomelin (Luciano Lomellini).

(4) there were many “Lomellini family” documents that were found in the Library of an estate.   They were put up for sale for a tremendous amount of money many years ago.  I don’t know if they were sold or donated, but I did have access to them many years ago.

What I can say for certain is that I have narrowed it down to these two cousins Named Carlo Lomellini.    One Carlo Lomellini with a brother named Luciano Lomellini (Luis Lomelin) and a father named Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini.  The father of the Carlo that is married to Porzia is named Vicenzo Lomellini, and he is the leader of the Family business that includes the family of Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini.   Vicenzo Lomellini’s great aunt is married to a Marin who is also in control of the family business at one time. I don’t know who was in control first.   I also descend from this great aunt Lomellini through my ancestor Captain Luis Marin.    

The story handed down through the centuries of the family being involved with the purchase of  slaves led me to  Carlo Lomellini, son of Porzia.  But both Carlo Lomellini had a part in the family business which included the transporting of slaves.   This was not the only thing that they transported.  They were in the business of transporting goods.

It is clear from all the information that I have gathered that an argument can be made for each of these two Carlo Lomellini.   The more information that I gather leads to these two Carlo Lomellini, but does not prove which of the two is the Carlo Lomellini that we seek.  I had leaned towards the Carlo Lomellini that is the son of Vicenzo and Porzia,  but we also have the story that Carlo Lomelin and Luis Lomelin are brothers and a birth date about 1584  for Carlo Lomelin which leads us to the Carlo Lomelin that is the son of Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini.  The Carlo Lomelin son of Vicenzo is at least 15 years older.    If we stick to the 1584 date then it has to be the son of Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini.   Both of the Carlo’s parents are in Spain and part of the family business.

I have made a very strong  case that our Carlo Lomelin is one of these two Carlo Lomellini.  What I can not do is say for sure which one is our Carlo Lomelin.    I haven’t completed writing the book on the Lomellini because I was hoping to find evidence that would confirm which of the two is the one that came to Mexico, but I have not been successful in finding that document.  My paternal grandmother gave birth to my father in her fifties.  And then had another child a couple of years later so that is why I don’t remove the Carlo Lomellini that is the son of Porzia as a possibility.  But the year 1584 would mean that she was an older woman when she had him or that she was extremely young when she first became a slave of her future husband.  The baptismal record states that she is the slave of Vicenzo Lomellini but doesn’t give her age.  The date of the record  is the fact that is changing my mind and having me lean towards Carlo Lomellini Spinola being the same Carlo Lomelin that came to Mexico.  We also need to remember that the family story was that our ancestors Carlo Lomelin and Luis (Luciano) were brothers.   If this is true then Carlo Lomellini Spinola is our man and we now have Luis Lomellini’s (Luciano Lomellini) ancestry.   Carlo Lomelllini’s marriage to Porzia is very interesting and demands further investigation as there is much more to the story.

1. Vassallo da Lumello, Consul de Genoa

2. Ansaldo Lomellini

3 Simone Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Giulia

4. Pietrino Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Tomasina

5. Leonello Lomellini + Catarina 

********6. Napoleone Lomellini + Teodora di Negro di Giorgio. [these are both Carlo's ancestors]

7. Goffredo Lomellini 

8. Luciano Lomellini + Pometta Spinola

9. Goffredo Lomellini + 2nd wife Novella Cicala

10. Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini + Catarina Spinola

Parents of brothers :

#11

Luciano Lomellini Spinola (aka Luis Lomelin) and Carlo Lomellini Spinola (aka Carlo Lomelin)

Sorry that the book isn’t available to the public yet,

Rick A. Ricci

Source: book mygenes2000

Bear with me I am not used to the new format yet.  I didn't see a reply button so I am hope all is well. Quick question Rick what is the name of your book regarding the Lomellini family? We descend many times from that family line. Also where did you find Portzia's info on her back story? 

Also do we not have a mother for Vincenzo di Lomellini yet? I didn't see it in the list. I did read some interesting information regarding the family and the paintings in the Prado , Scottish etc. Museums. Facninating family. I too think there is a connection with the Lomellini and the Lomelinos.  In fact I think I know where the Lomelinos ended up in Italy and their Palace still stands but is under threat currently. I shudder to think what would happen to the building, it SHOULD be a UNESCO heritage site given the over 1000 year history and priceless wall paintings and frescos. 

In the house there might even be more documents about the family in it, yeah, everything was just left as is, so it is just a matter of time before vandals, squatters and weather destroy it.  YIKES! I just saw a post about it yesterday.

Thank you Rick.
 

Brothers Luciano Lomellini  (Luis  Lomelin)  and Carlo Lomellini Spinola (Carlo Lomelin) 

1. Vassallo da Lumello, Consul de Genoa 

2. Ansaldo Lomellini 

3 Simone Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Giulia 

4. Pietrino Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Tomasina 

5. Leonello Lomellini + Catarina 

6. Napoleone Lomellini + Teodora di Negro di Giorgio. [these are also Carlo's ancestors] they are 4th cousins 

7. Goffredo Lomellini 

8. Luciano Lomellini + Pometta Spinola 

9. Goffredo Lomellini + 2nd wife Novella Cicala 

10. Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini + Catarina Spinola 

Parents of 

11. Luciano Lomellini Spinola   (AKA Luis Lomelin)     And Carlo Lomellini Spinola (Carlos Lomelin)

Vasallo de Lumello picked up his surname from where he lived before becoming consul in Genoa. His children were the first to be called Lomellini. His first name came from his father’s surname. His father’s legitimate sons carried the Vasallo surname and they lived in Milan which was a rival city-state to Genoa. There did not it seem to be much interaction between Vassallo and his half siblings. 

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you Rick,

This is quite interesting, in particular the case of the -former- slave Porzia. Thank you for clearing this. I have seen how some people made up a last name name and background for Porzia. Perhaps they are ashamed to descend from a slave. I am not and I hope more studies focus on her, I find her marriage with Vicenzo most interesting.

Best regards,

Erik

Lomellini. The first with this surname to Carlo Lomelin

1)-Vasallo da Lumello, Console di Genova - Born: 1160 in Lombardia, Italia. - Residence: in Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1198 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia. Vasallo descends two Vasallo Vasallo so he isn’t the first to have it as a first name. His half-siblings that are legitimate carry the Vasallo surname.

2)-Ansaldo da Lumello - Died: Aft. 1248 in Genova, Italia

3)- Simone da Lumello Died: 1253 in Genova, Italia
........... +Giulia - Born: in Genova, Italia

4)-Oberto da Lumello- Died: Aft. 1292 in Genova, Italia
........... +Angela- Born: in Genova, Italia

5)- Benedetto Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia
............ +Gioffredina- Born: in Genova, Italia

6)-Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia-
............. +Orietta- Born: in Genova

7)- Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia--
..............+ Franca (Francesca) Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia- Father: Niccolo Lomellini Mother: Luchina Lercari

8)- Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia- Died: 1465 - 1469 in Genova, Italia
...............+ Battina Grillo- Born: in Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1480 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Giorgio Grillo

9)- Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia- Died: Bef. 1518 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............ + Giorgietta Gentile- Born: in Genova, Italia, -Father: Stefano Gentile

10)- Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Italia.

11)- Vincenzo Lomellini- Born: ca. 1530 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Unknown.
........+Porzia "schiava, poi moglie" - Born: 1540. c.5/April/1551-- Schiava, por moglie quiere decir que primero fue esclava, y después su esposa. Vicenzo era su dueño cuando ella se bautizo.

12)- Carlo Lomellini Note by Steven Francisco Hernández López : Carlo Lomellini (o en español, Carlos Lomelín); originario del reino italiano de Génova; pasó a Indias a los inicios del Siglo XVII, llegando a ser vecino de la feligresía de Nochistlán. Genearca de una vasta rama de la familia Lomelín (o Lomelí). Note 2: Él se casó con doña María de Benavides, española, hija legítima de N.N. (su identidad aun se ignora) y de doña Catalina Cortés, hija a su vez de don Gerónimo de Benavides y de doña Catalina Cortés. Born: ca. 1565 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Residence: in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México Died before 1649, most likely in 1648 in Spain.

Before Vasallo de Lumello there are 31 more generations to 385 ad. In all there are 56 generations from 385 ad to my daughter.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

Steven Francisco Hernández organized the tree as follows, however I did make a few additions to Vincenzo Lomellini and Porzia’s information. The reason for the two lines is that Carlo descends from two branches of the Lomellini family. The first branch is through Francesca Lomellini, and the second branch is through her husband Tobia Lomellini.

1 Vasallo da Lumello, Console di Genova - Born: 1150 - 1160 in Lombardia, Italia. - Residence: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1198 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia. Vasallo is named after his paternal grandfather.
. 2 Ansaldo da Lumello - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1248 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..... 3 Simone da Lumello Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: 1253 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
........... +Giulia - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-
........ 4 Pietrino da Lumello - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1287 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.............. +Tomasina - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
............ 5 Leonello da Lumello (Lenello Lomellini) - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1343 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..................+Caterina Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............... 6 Napoleone Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................... 7 Niccolo Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Bef. 1430 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
......................... +Luchina Lercari Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1430 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Domenico Lercari
...................... 8 [2] Franca (Francesca) Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia ............................ +[1] Tobia Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-Father: Tobia Lomellini Mother: Orietta
.......................... 9 [3] Giacomo Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: 1465 - 1469 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................ +[4] Battina Grillo - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1480 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Giorgio Grillo
............................. 10 [5] Tobia Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Bef. 1518 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................... +[6] Giorgietta Gentile - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Father: Stefano Gentile
................................. 11 [7] Giacomo Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.................................... 12 [8] Vincenzo Lomellini Born: ca. 1530 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
.......................................... +[9] Porzia "schiava, poi moglie" - Born: 1540. c.5/April/1551-- Schiava, por moglie quiere decir que primero fue esclava, y después su esposa. Vincenzo era su dueño cuando ella bautizo.
........................................ 13 [10] Carlo Lomellini Note by Steven Francisco Hernández López: Carlo Lomellini (o en español, Carlos Lomelín); originario del reino italiano de Génova; pasó a Indias a los inicios del Siglo XVII, llegando a ser vecino de la feligresía de Nochistlán. Genearca de una vasta rama de la familia Lomelín (o Lomelí). Note 2: Él se casó con doña María de Benavides, española, hija legítima de N.N. (su identidad aun se ignora) y de doña Catalina Cortés, hija a su vez de don Gerónimo de Benavides y de doña Catalina Cortés. - Born: ca. 1584 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Residence: in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México Died: Unknown

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Second branch:
........ 4 Oberto da Lumello- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1292 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.............. +Angela- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
............ 5 Benedetto Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.................. +Gioffredina- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............... 6 Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..................... +Orietta- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-
................... 7 [1] Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia--
.........................+[2] Franca (Francesca) Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Father: Niccolo Lomellini Mother: Luchina Lercari
...................... 8 [3] Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: 1465 - 1469 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............................ +[4] Battina Grillo- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1480 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Giorgio Grillo
.......................... 9 [5] Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Bef. 1518 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................ +[6] Giorgietta Gentile- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-Father: Stefano Gentile
............................. 10 [7] Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia.
................................. 11 [8] Vincenzo Lomellini- Born: ca. 1530 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Unknown
.......................................+[9] Porzia "schiava, poi moglie" - Born: 1540. c.5/April/1551-- Schiava, por moglie quiere decir que primero fue esclava, y después su esposa. Vicenzo era su dueño cuando ella se bautizo.
.................................... 12 [10] Carlo Lomellini Note by Steven Francisco Hernández López: Carlo Lomellini (o en español, Carlos Lomelín); originario del reino italiano de Génova; pasó a Indias a los inicios del Siglo XVII, llegando a ser vecino de la feligresía de Nochistlán. Genearca de una vasta rama de la familia Lomelín (o Lomelí). Note 2: Él se casó con doña María de Benavides, española, hija legítima de N.N. (su identidad aun se ignora) y de doña Catalina Cortés, hija a su vez de don Gerónimo de Benavides y de doña Catalina Cortés. Born: ca. 1565 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Residence: in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México Died: Unknown

The thread on the latest on Carlo Lomelin’s ancestry at : http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20549,

In this thread you will find that The father of Carlo Lomellini, Vicenzo Lomellini, is the leader of the Lomellini/Marini business group that were merchants that also were slave traders. This is the information that had been passed down by Carlo Lomelin’s descendants in Los Altos de Jalisco for over four hundred years. The research led to the information that Capitan Luis Marin, that is married to a relative of the second wife of Hernan Cortez, is a cousin of Carlo Lomelini as Capitan Luis Marin descends from Vicenzo’s aunt, sister of Vicenzo’s father.

Vicenzo Lomellini does not use the name Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini. The name Paolo Vicenzo Lomellini is the name of the father of Luciano Lomelin Spinola. Luciano’s family was also in Castilla and involved in business with Vicenzo. The Lomellini/Marini family had part of the business based in San Lucar de Barrameda.

Steven Francisco Hernández López did a great job of organizing the ancestry of Carlo Lomellini. However, Carlos’s mother who is named Porzia is not born in 1551. That is the year she is baptized by her owner, Vicenzo Lomellini. I don’t believe that he would have married her if she had been his slave from birth. It doesn’t make sense for Vicenzo to have an infant slave at 21. Because Vicenzo owns a couple of slaves that he is baptizing on 5/April/1551, I would give him the age of 21. If he were much younger it would be his parents baptizing them, and they would be their slaves. So Vicenzo Lomellini’s birth year is estimated to be circa 1530. Since Vicenzo later marries her after she has been his slave, I am estimating that she is eleven years old on 5/April/1551 when she is converted from Muslim to Catholic at her baptism. That would give her a birthdate of 1540. If Carlo Lomellini was born between her 20th and 35th birthday then Carlo Lomellini would have been born between 1560 and 1575 and not 1584 like most people copy from secondary sources.

I have seen a false ancestry of Porzia posted on the internet. Porzia had been a Muslim slave and I have not seen any records that identify her parents.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

Earlier In this thread I incorrectly posted

“ Francisco de la Cueva y "María Lomelín hija de Luis Lomelin y Maria del Olmos".

But this Maria is not their daughter.. The Maria Lomelin that is married to Francisco De la Cueva is their great granddaughter. I posted the correct lineage in the thread on my Corea Peralta ancestry.

Another mistake that I wrote in this thread was that Paolo Vicenzo Lomelini was richer than his cousin Vicenzo Lomelin, but that was not true. Vicenzo Lomellini was the leader of the Lomelini and Marin clan in Castilla. This business group included Vicenzo’s aunt who is also my ancestor as she the grandmother or great grandmother of my ancestor Conquistador Luis Marin.

Even though Paolo Vicenzo Lomelin and Vicenzo Lomelin were only third cousins, they held a much closer business relationship and Vicenzo was the one in charge. This family was in involved in the slave trade so the stories we heard about Carlo Lomelini’s family being slave traders is true.

Rick A. Ricci

Hi Rick,

It's not by much but here it is:

Esther (me)
AC
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 7 cM across 1 segments
OC
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 7 cM across 1 segments
Patricia Romo
Predicted relationship: 4th–6th Cousin
Shared DNA: 25 cM across 3 segments

My grandmother - Socorro Fuentes Cervantes
AC
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 11 cM across 4 segments
OC
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 10 cM across 3 segments
Patricia Romo
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 15 cM across 1 segments

My mother - Josefina Lopez Fuentes
AC
Predicted relationship: 4th–6th Cousin
Shared DNA: 20 cM across 3 segments
OC
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 20 cM across 3 segments
Patricia Romo
Predicted relationship: 4th–6th Cousin
Shared DNA: 24 cM across 3 segments

My dad - Roberto Hernandez Ramirez
Patricia Romo
Predicted relationship: 5th–8th Cousin
Shared DNA: 11 cM across 1 segments

Thank you,
Esther

My mother’s dna analysis from AncestryDNA shows her to be 18% Italian. Both her parents are from Los Altos De Jalisco. My mother has many Romo De Vivar, Perez-franco(Perestrello), Marin(i) and Lomelin(i) ancestral lines. I believe that these four ancestral lines are the ones that contribute to the majority of her 18% Italian results

While researching my Lomelini ancestors, my work merged with the research that I was doing on a few other Genoese ancestral lines that I was working on. I did not complete my book on my Lomellini ancestors because I wanted to see if I could find DNA evidence by compiling a reference line of descent that stayed in Genoa. Yesterday I attempted to contact, through email, italian descendants of siblings of the ancestors that I have been studying in order set up a dna analysis of their relationships to the the Lomellini descendants in Nueva Galicia. I hope to add these dna comparisons to my book.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

I believe Rodrigo de Carbajal and Juana Lomelin also had a daughter named Josefa de Carbajal. She was married to Jose Leal de Ayala. They had a daughter named Maria Leal de Ayala Carvajal and she was married to Augustin Gomez de Mendoza. I am descended from her through this line.

Though we can not assume anything yet regarding the origins of Carlo e Luigi Lomellini -we do not even know how they are related-, here is an article about a member of the Lomellini lineage:

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/leonardo-lomellini_(Dizionario_Biog…

Here is what I consider of genealogical interest:

Leonardo Lomellini born ca. 1510, son of Girolamo di Tobia and Brigida di Pier Francesco Lomellini. His wife was Bianca Grimaldi Oliva di Gerolamo. He had 5 daughters: Faustina, Brigida, Maria, Geronima, Maddalena and only 1 son: Giacomo who died in 1594 leaving no descendants.
The article also mentions his business ventures in Spain. He died ca. 1581.

There is another -the same?- Leonardo Lomellini in New Spain who had a commercial contract with Hernán Cortés in 1542. Perhaps Carlos and Luigi are related.

The article also mentions his patrimony valued at 18.750 lires and compares it to the greater patrimony of two other Lomellini: Bartolomeo Lomellini and Augusto.

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/lomellini/

The article above mentions that the family had 7 Dogi of Genoa; an Angelo Lomellini, author of a relation of the fall of Constantinople, two cardinals, etc.

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/lomellini_(Enciclopedia-Italiana)/ This article mentions a Vassallo di Lumello as the origin of the Lomellini family in 1137.

It came to my attention two years ago that the Lomelín who in reality are the Lomelini family were one of the 7 principal houses of Genoa. I remember once, even a good colleague, D. Mariano González Leal reported certain documents that existed, but I am no professional in the italian language. I have found some using google books and other sources. Look up "Lomelini" in the search engine under books, you will find lots of genealogical related items in italian especially in the middle ages. One thing is certain our ancestors Carlo Lomelini and Luigi Lomelini were natives of Genoa and arrived in New Spain. Carlo settled in Nochistlán and I believe if I recall correctly Luigi made his way to Hidalgo. I hope this helps in some way. There truly is so much yet to be discovered about our ancestors and lineages. Documents to be read, analyzed, transcripted, published, preserved, etc.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Gracias por la respuesta, es una verdadera pena que el censo ya no esté disponible porque era una herramienta extraordinaria para iniciar investigaciones genealógicas.

It's not just the 1930 census. Images of civil and parochial records from about the 1920s and later are also not available. I don't know why, but I suspect it's very likely related to privacy protection legislation that passed in Mexico earlier this year.

• Ley Federal de Protección de Datos Personales en Posesión de los Particulares
• Ley General de Protección de Datos Personales en Posesión de Sujetos Obligados

Per the marriage document of Eusebia Maria Lopez de Lara dated 1746 her first husband, Joseph Padilla, had been dead for 2 years and that former husband is buried at the church where she is getting married as stated therein.  

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VRSD-H5?lang=en&i=498

Note that per her marriage to Joseph Padilla he was from Queretaro.  https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/GKRM-TB7

Calle 44 Sector Hidalgo

David,

Up until the 1980's - 1990's, Guadalajara was divided into four sectors named Hidalgo, Juárez, Libertad and Reforma. Guadalajara is currently divided into 7 zones. Similarly Calle 44 was probably renamed since I was not able to find it in the current map of Guadalajara.

Best regards,

Austin Pérez

who before me lent the necessary consent

(Who gave me the necessary consent)

Hi Victoria,

Some aditional information: My mom’s maiden surname is Medina, if you consult the FamilySearch link that Manny sent you, you will find the ancestors from José Antonio Medina and going up 5 generations you will find Luis de Medina del Rincon y Romero Gutierrez y Valdivia, born in 1589 in Aguascalientes, who is my direct ancestor (11 generations).

Luis de Medina del Rincon married Maria Fernandez de Vaulus de Siordia y Navarro y Arias de Sotelo (María Fernández Vaulus in Family Search), she is the grand daugther of Petronila de Moctezuma who is believed to be descendant from Moctezuma II Xocoyotzin. But there is no full evidence.

Jorge Minchaca Medina

Hi Victoria,

I also have a lot of Romo de Vivar ancestors, eventhough I'm not descendant from José Romo de Vivar and Juana Maria Lopez de Nava.

I'm not as good as Manny and Rick but I have made some research about the Romo de Vivar. They had a lot of children and of course the fornames were sometimes repeated, therefore I like to search for the complete names.

According to my research, the complete names are: Juan's father: Joseph Ygnacio Romo de Vivar Lopez and his grandfather: Pedro Joseph Francisco Xavier Romo de Vivar y Muñoz de la Barba.

Furthermore, Pedro Joseph Francisco Xavier is the son of Cristobal Romo de Vivar Delgado (born in 1685) and Maria Muñoz de la Barba Escoto.

I wish you to enjoy your research.

Jorge Minchaca

Your welcome Victoria.   My mom’s maiden surname is Romo.  Her father, my maternal grandfather, is a third cousin of Santo Toribio Romo.   

and I also thank you Manny Diez Hermosillo, keep up the great work,

Rick A. Ricci

Jose Romo de Vivar and Maria del Carmen Ramirez were married 1/Dec/1804 in Aguascalientes.

Jose Romo de Vivar is the son of Jose Romo de Vivar y Muñoz de La Barba and Juana Maria López de Nava.

Maria del Carmen Ramirez is the daughter of Pioquinto Ramirez and Maria Guadalupe Cobos.

Reymundo Velsaco married Mariana Medina on 3/Mar/1821.

Reymundo Velasco is the son of Juan Velasco and Dolores López.

Mariana is the daughter of Jose Antonio Medina and Josefa (? Gómez or Gama, )

Rick A. Ricci

Hello Victoria,

That information can be found on FamilySearch.org, which is a free website (you only have to register with them). According to their marriage record, his parents were Jose Romo and Carmen Ramirez, and hers were Reymundo Velasco and Mariana Medina:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DW78-C9ZM

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hola Tristan,

Others have researched the Monje de Leon/Alvarez Corona families. Silvia H. Corona comes to mind, and has published many studies available online. I’ve also posted some work I’ve done on this family here at NR: https://nuestrosraices.com/en/node/25061
That document from August 1594 isn’t Catalina de Leon’s testamento, it’s regarding her late husband’s estate. Throughout that document, Catalina Corona is identified as their daughter and heir. She was already married to Cosme Lopez and said that she was over the age of 24 years.
Catalina Corona is also mentioned in the testamento of her half-sister, Mariana Osorio, who was daughter of Catalina de Leon from her first marriage, to Cristobal de Giron Osorio, in which she identifies Catalina Corona, wife of Cosme Lopez, as her sister. She also bequeaths a slave named Maria to her niece, Doña Jusepa Corona, though she doesn’t say whose daughter Jusepa is. She also mentions another niece - a nun named Josepha de Jesus: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69L5-5?view=explo…

Antonio: in which city was Josefa Corona’s dowry card submitted? And is it available online? If so, please share the link. Thanks!

I don’t think this family had roots in Vizcaya. This file is located in that archive because that’s where Antonio Luis de la Plaza was living, and he needed to provide proof of his status as an hijodalgo. But he was born in 1672 in Madrid, where he was baptized at the church of San Justo. His father was a member of the king’s Guardia Amarilla, so they would’ve lived where ever the court was. But they do mention someone named Rafael Carrera, who presented his probanza/limpieza in 1636 in the principality of Catalunya, “to enter into the service of His Majesty.” Rafael Carrera is obviously related to Maria Carrera, Antonio Luis’ mother, so the Carrera’s might have roots in Catalunya. My guess is, Maria Carrera was the daughter of Manuel Nieto Corona; “Carrera” is not among the surnames of the known ancestors of Manuel Nieto, so it might be his wife’s surname, but that’s just a guess.

Saludos!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Very interesting lead! Initially I too thought it seemed a bit far fetched however after connecting some dots I now think this has some traction! 

From what we do know, in 1641, around 10+ years after our ancestors Pedro Nieto and Josefa Corona married, they convened to the justices to affirm their marriage dowry. Josefa’s dowry was given to Pedro by Nicolas de Urdiales (Valdes) and his wife Catalina Lopez Corona! The sudden apparent need for it to be in written form was to “maintain the peace, amicability, and ensure no fraud to the dowry givers.” A second document confirms the receipt of the dowry, shedding light that it was originally agreed upon in 1630. The dowry was valued at 4,200 pesos and was loaded with goodies like; 

-a pair of blue silk sheets

-2 pink goatskin pillows with floral designs from Ruan

-5 Agnus Dei (cordero de Dios/lamb of God figurines) ornate with gold, feathers, and pearls

-10 spoons and 1 large ladle all minted of silver

-a decorative ornate salt shaker 

The documentation is so vivid with details and mentioning numerous times how Catalina and Josefa are sisters, but it fails to mentions who their parents are. In any event I can now correlate Josefa having a sister who supposedly is her mother's namesake. 

As Manny stated above, let us recall our ancestor Pedro Nieto’s 1658 testamento... it makes mention that his and Josefa’s son Manuel (the first born son) was residing in "Los Reinos de Castilla" and their son Lorenzo was of the religious order of San Francisco. Therefore, in my eyes, it seems obvious there was some immediate contact/connection with Castilla in their generation. 

Also I too have never seen the surname Perez Barlota or any mentioning of a brother named Juan in the documents I have encountered. Perhaps a brother-in-law to Josefa? Even more intriguing. Also the document Manny cited “Revista de la Sociedad de Historia, Genealogía y Heráldica de Jalisco" fails to mention a daughter named Catalina? After a quick comb through of other couples within this document, there is no mention of known children to the couples born before 1600 (here and there only in 1599, but this is obviously so as this is intended for the 17th century only). 

I too am now very curious as to why Josefa would need a probanza de hidalguía and a limpieza de sangre? What are the contents within these documents? Also the fact that they are stored in the Vizcaya archives, is this a clue to where her family is from? Or was this merely because her son Manuel living there? 

Wow. If I had seen the relationships given here on an online family tree, you know, one of those sourceless trees on which the relationships are based purely on matching names&surnames, I’d have ignored this. But this is the actual description of the contents of an actual file catalogued at an actual government archive; unless the documents are doctored, there is no reason to doubt the veracity of the relationships given. 
Many of us have wondered whether Josefa Corona descended from Martin Monje cc Isabel Alvarez Corona, and if so, how? This appears to confirm that, and reveals how. And you’re right, times & locations do match: a limpieza & probanza done for Josefa Corona cc Pedro Nieto in 1646, and the power of attorney to do so granted to her cousin, Lic. Martin de Leon (son of Pedro Villanueva and Beatriz Corona, who was sister of Catalina Corona), and before Francisco Morales (escribano publico and alguacil mayor in Sierra de Pinos). Btw, the name of the ancestor who was granted an escudo de armas in 1539 was Martin Monje and not Manuel Monje, but that’s academic. 
I wonder why Josefa Corona needed to do a limpieza & probanza? Maybe for her son, Fray Lorenzo Nieto, who I believe joined the Dominican order? And I wonder how Antonio Luis de la Plaza, born 1672 in Madrid, Spain, descended from them? Could he be a grandson of Manuel Nieto Corona, who was said to be residing in Spain when Pedro Nieto wrote his testamento in 1658? Maybe his mother, Maria Carrera, was daughter of Manuel Nieto? That’s the only possible link. Wow. I don’t descend from this family, but I’d still love to get my hands on this dossier, and see how all of the pieces fall into place!

Anyway, I looked for the power of attorney granted in 1646 to Lic. Martin de Leon in the online Guadalajara notary archives, but the only document regarding Pedro Nieto and Josefa Corona that I could find was this one, dated 30 Nov 1635, in which, as the executors and heirs of her deceased brother, Juan Perez Barlota, they grant powers to Diego Fernandez de Cordoba, to settle some accounts on their behalf: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-83SK-4?view&lang=…

I’ve seen no record of Cosme Lopez cc Catalina Corona having a son named Juan, nor have I seen the surnames Perez Barlota associated with them. Other than a carta de pago dated 2 Jun 1627 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69LV-T?view&lang=…, I’ve been unable to find anything on Juan Perez Barlota, who would’ve died some time before 30 Nov 1635; unless his wife preceded him in death, I doubt he was married, since he named Doña Josefa and Pedro Nieto as his executors and heirs. I searched for his testamento, but no luck; maybe someone else can try?

Anyways, thanks for sharing this, Tristan - great find!

For anyone descending from Pedro Nieto cc Josefa Corona, this would be how she descends from Martin Monje:

i. Alonso Gutierrez de Leon cc Doña Inés de Alonso Monja
ii. Don Martin Monje de Leon cc Doña isabel Alvarez Corona
iii. Doña Catalina de Leon y Corona cc Juan Fernandez Nieto
iv. Doña Catalina de Leon y Corona cc Cosme Lopez
v. Doña Josefa Corona m. Pedro Nieto

As per his testamento, Pedro Nieto was from Linhares, Coimbra, Portugal, son of Hernando de Almedia and Isabel Hernandez.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

My reading is:  Pioquinto (Pío Quinto)

The couple is also mentioned in these sources:

• https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6MH4-PG6Z
• https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6M4T-KVPZ

There was a Simon Baez, who along with Antonio Lopez Merino, was arrested regarding the discovery of some skeletal remains on the latter’s ranch, on 15 Sep 1655, in San Luis Potosi. He was age 37 (b. 1618), spaniard, mayordomo of Capitan Juan Caballero, on this one’s ranch in Valle de Mexquitic. He couldn’t sign his name, so he wasn't schooled. There’s no mention of his marital status, but he had a brother named Francisco Baez, who also lived in the area. One of the victims was Simon Baez’s Indian criada, named Melchora, who had run away with the other victim (Juanillo, indio criado de Antonio Lopez Merino). Simon Baez admitted to having had an illicit relationship with Melchora, that ran for some 3 years, up to the day that she fled. It was reported that, while chasing after the fleeing Indians, he had become so enraged, that he threatened to kill them, if they caught up with them. For this reason he was held under suspicion. He was acquitted of all charges and released: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-HHW9?i=236&wc=MXB…

That’s all I’ve seen about this person, but I’ll keep my eyes open. He is probably the same Simon Baez who was married to Maria Valenzuela, residents of Mexquitic, according to their daughter’s baptism record, as you mentioned.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

This book has much valuable information.  However, I recall that it had a few mistakes in it where they wrongly identified a few people with other people of similar names.  I think I found four mistakes.  So be careful when using this book as a source.

Rick A. Ricci

Thanks for the kind words Joseph!   There is so much info that has been contributed to this site by the membership for over 22 years now!  I am a little bit selfish in wanting to keep the site running, so others can enjoy it (and learn) as much as I do. There are some excellent researchers that participate via this site; and I am always grateful to contribute where I can. 

Guadalajara Dispensas

1684-1799 FHL Source Film 168662 - Mexico Genealogy

• 260 José de Meza & Catalina Araisa / Guadalajara

1636-1699 FHL Source Film 168357 - Mexico Genealogy

• 471 Antonio de Araiza (h.l. Antonio de Araiza & Micaela de Issae) & Bernarlda Cortez (h.l. Antonio Cortez & Melchora Tunado) / Ahualulco

The records that provide this information on Andres’s parents is found in the marriage dispensations:

Dispensa matrimonial de su hija Catalina con Antonio Orozco, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 26. 3 de junio de 1682

• Dispensa matrimonial de su hija Catalina con José de Meza y Cervantes, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 579. 11 de septiembre de 1697
• Dispensa matrimonial de su hijo Antonio, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 552. 12 de noviembre de 1699
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  I have a copy this book of dispensations by M Montejano Hilton.
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  Rick A. Ricci

Great job, rvs, that’s how I read it, though there are a couple I see differently, tell me what you think:

4. q[ue h]ay
10. de+ella ya con la m[erce]d
13. al s[eñ]or o[bi]spo
14. no [h]ay otra cosa
15. aviso a v[uestra] m[erced]

Might #2 be “conste”? When I read through, neither really makes sense to me! ;)

For abbreviations, I find this website very helpful: https://www.iifilologicas.unam.mx/dicabenovo/index.php?page=inicio

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi @alexfanatico, I am no expert but it seems to me like some of the words are the following:
1. Probanza
2. Conoce
3. Juzgaran
4. ** can't understand this one
5. Cosa faltare
6. Ser cosa tan
7. Tan remotas
8. Ser sus padres
9. Le sobra
10. De ella, ya con la mal * not 100% sure of "mal" as the last word
11. Proveyó 
12. Avisado
13. Al Santo Oficio or Sr. Oficial * not 100% sure
14. Hay Dicha Cosa * not 100% sure of "hay" as the first word.
15. Aviso ahí
16. ** can't understand this one
17. Su mujer __ __ conserve. ** can't make out two or three words of this part.

I hope it may be useful!
Best regards,