Access to some of my research via Dropbox

Dropbox Access

After an absence of several years, I am slowly trying to return to genealogy.  (Emphasis on slowly.)  In the meantime I would like to share some research by giving you access to my Dropbox account.  Some of these files will be familiar (the Jaime Holcombe letters that Ophelia Marquez and I compiled in the 1990s;  the San Luis Potosi testament reports; my research of Juan Montanez, Maria de las Ruelas, Galvan de Rojas and others; the Christmas letters to my relatives where I "gifted" ancestors; etc.). There are also a few Family Group Sheets prepared pre-internet. It's a hodgepodge of data that may help someone.  Just click on the link below.

I ask one favor of you.  When you find an error (or two), please let me know.  Thanks,

Mary Lou Montagna

 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/3ca9n3uuvrfvre3o5nh77/AFyduE5sdqyl-fruqx…

The Hernández de Arellano family

As I have shared in other media, a Toribio Hernández de Arellano from Salamanca is documented, whose brother Sebastián initiated litigation concerning his nobility on May 15, 1557. Following Sebastián's death in 1568, his widow and children continued the legal proceedings. Significantly, the presence of the Sánchez surname within their lineage may account for its recurrence among Toribio's immediate descendants.

Sebastián Hernández de Arellano "El Viejo" was a resident of the parish (colación) of San Isidro in Salamanca. He held estates (hacendado) in the municipalities of Villares de la Reina, Castellanos de Moriscos, and Villamayor. He initiated a lawsuit to assert his noble status (hijodalgo) after being appointed to the position of procurador, an office typically associated with commoners (pecheros), which he argued was incompatible with his noble standing.

The relevant legal file (Sala de Hijosdalgo. Caja 0774.0035. Real Chancillería de Valladolid) records testimony stating that Sebastián was married to Isabel Rodríguez and was the father of Antonio, Jerónimo, Sebastián "El Mozo", and Luisa (PARES | Archivos Españoles, to request the file, follow the link and email the Real Chancillería de Valladolid).

His parents were identified as Sebastián Hernández (arrendador), and Águeda Sánchez, both of whom were described as being of noble origin.

His paternal grandfather was Luis Hernández, a resident of Santiuste street in Salamanca who also maintained a residence in Villamayor. In both jurisdictions, he was exempt from taxation due to his "notorious nobility" (notoria hidalguía) and held the offices of sexmero and alcalde de la Santa Hermandad. Luis Hernández was married to Isabel Sierra.

His great-grandfather was Marcos Hernández, a doublet-maker (jubetero) married to Francisca Sánchez, both residents of Salamanca. Contemporary witnesses noted that they comported themselves in the "manner of nobles and dressing as such" (hábito y maneras de hidalgos). Marcos Hernández was of Vizcaíno origin and was sometimes referred to as Marcos Vizcaíno.

Sebastián Hernández de Arellano "El Viejo" had several siblings: Catalina Sánchez de Arellano (also known as Catalina Rodríguez de Arellano), who was married to Juan Rodríguez, syndic (síndico) of the monastery of San Francisco; María Sánchez de Arellano, married to Andrés González; Francisco Hernández de Arellano and Toribio Hernández de Arellano. This Toribio coincides in chronology, geographical association, and patronymics with the individual of the same name, though a definitive identification cannot be asserted without further evidence, such as his last will and testament from Nueva Galicia. It is documented that a Toribio Hernández de Arellano departed for the Indies in 1549 (PARES, having obtained a license issued in Valladolid by officials of the Casa de la Contratación in Seville) and that he is named in a partition of inheritance (hijuela) in Salamanca alongside his siblings. These individuals constitute the known members of the Hernández de Arellano family from Salamanca. 

Notably, the document in question omits any reference to the origin of the Arellano toponym. However, I have a hypothesis that I am currently working on.

Best regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

 

Possible Toribio Hernandez Arellano ancestry

Toribio Hernandez Arellano Sanchez

Because of the confusion of multiple people with the same name, most people have parts of the genealogy screwed up. Going by what I put together and a puzzle piece by dr. Abraham Haim, an expert on Sephardic genealogy, I have from pre 1300 in Barcelona and Avignon France to Toribio Hernandez de Arellano.

The Jewish ancestry and French ancestry that Mariano Gonzalez Leal says we don't have is this line. Most, if not all, the lines of the founding families' descendants married descendants of Toribio.

This Jewish line is not your typical Sephardic line. This line is Ashkenazic, from France.

[• There are several subgroups of Jews with different culture and traditions:
Ashkenazic: Descendants of Jews from France, Germany and Eastern Europe
Sephardic: Descendants of Jews from Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East
Mizrachi: Descendants of Jews from North Africa and the Middle East
• Other subgroups are Yemenite, Ethiopian and Oriental
http://www.jewfaq.org/m/ashkseph.htm]

Dr Haim put the the piece that said our sanchez line descended through juan Sanchez de calayatud (Isaac Golluf) and not his brother Pedro Sanchez de Calayatud. I knew that Toribios grandfather Alonson Sanchez descended from Alazar Golluf but had originally thought that the descent was though his son Pedro. Dr Haim is the highest authority on these matters so if he says that he descends from Isaac Golluf (Juan Sanchez) then I will go along with him.
Most people also confuse Toribio's grandfather, Alfonso Sanchez(II) with his uncle, Alfonso (1) that was the one that left Aragon, went to Italy, and was burned in effigy.

Here goes, hold on tight.

Two lines from Toribio, the first to my wife's maternal grandfather.
The second line is to

Perdona que a veces escribo en ingles y a veces en espanol.

Los Altos de Jalisco main Jewish line

The house of David, the same house as Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ.

1). Nahir Suxen (abt. 1295) is the father of Bonastruga (Bona Astruga)

1). Solomon Golluf (caballero, resident of Barcelona) (abt 1295).

2). ↑ Samuel Golluf (resident of Avignon) married to ↑Bonastruga and are the parents of two children,

Siblings : Azach (Acaqui) Golluf & Rebeca Golluf (her fame: beauty and can sing)

3). ↑ Azach (Acaqui) Golluf and his wife Oro (daughter of Azach (Ishaq) Xaprut)
Azach Xaprut is the son of Yosef Xaprut, (one source claims that Joseph Amali is Oro's father and that her name is Oro Amali but I have a evidence that explains why I believe this is a mistake. Oro Xaprut should not be confused with other members of the family named Oro or Orosol.

4) ↑Alazar (Alatzar) Golluf Iben David miembro de una ilustre y antigua familia de Zaragoza (d. 1389).
Cousin to Todric Ha Levi family, all descendants of the house of David
Alazar Golluf, miembro de una ilustre y antigua familia de Zaragoza, fue tesorero del rey don Juan I de Aragón y de su esposa Violante. Su alta posición le permitió ocuparse de los asuntos de la población judía incluso fuera de los límites de la aljama donde habitaba. De la casa de David. I don't know if the descent from david is through a paternal or maternal line.

Alcazar Golluf is Treasurer of the Queen Violante of Aragon and the most prominent Jewish courtier at the time in Aragon.

Tom Tov ben Hannah (Abenhanya), a scribe of the Jewish community of Montalban wrote a description of Alazr Golluf's death as a tragedy for all Aragonese Jews. In his letter he wonders who will defend the Jews of Aragon:

"Woe to us! Who can stand before the sons of kings;

To cast light before the face of he who walked in darkness;

And to open, in straits, blind eyes?;

Who can express [his] mighty acts;

With enemies at the gate, a voice on high?

For this our heart is faint,

Our dance has turned into mourning;

We have brought down as a ghost out of the ground;

Our voice is lower than low, a still voice;

Who can stand up to repair the breach;

And to complete that which is wanting without number,

Among the wretched Jews;

Who have lost their value, high of stature hewn down."

Alcazar's father is living in Avignon, France

Alcazar Golluf and Oro Xaprut are the parents of

5)↑Isaac Goluff Iben David. Aka Juan Sanchez de Calatayud converted to Catholicism months after father's death in August of 1389. (B. Before 1370.) He changed his name when he converted. {2} [ a big schism happens with the family when Isaac Golluf/Juan Sanchez converts. His wife files for divorce and some Jewish family members conspire to poison him. There is a big story here that takes many pages on the division between the newly converted converses and those that stayed Jewish. This division culminates decades later in the death of the inquisitor Pedro Arbues who is named a saint by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church covers up his evilness to the Jews to this day. It is mostly the Jewish side / forced converts part of the family that conspires to kill Pedro Arbues ( though some of the true conversos of the family take part). Killing Pedro Arbues backfires and many people that were on the fence or felt sympathy for Jews and conversos become enraged at Jews and conversos and no longer back them.

When the horrors of the inquisition hit the Iberian peninsula in the 14th century
"Los judíos españoles jamás habían experimentado un horror semejante, con lo que, junto con los exilios, al norte de África principalmente, comienzan las conversiones masivas. Antes ya se habían producido, ya que la situación de los hebreos en España nunca fue del todo cómoda, y hacerse cristiano permitía alcanzar dignidades y puestos en la administración, así como amasar fortuna sin ningún tipo de cortapisas. De este modo las primeras conversiones acontecen entre los estratos más altos de la sociedad judía, como es el caso de Isaac Golluf, hijo del tesorero de la reina doña Violante, esposa de Juan I, bautizado en 1389 como Juan Sánchez de Calatayud con una motivación meramente oportunista, o Salomón ha - Leví, rabino de Burgos, y que tras abrazar el Cristianismo en 1390, acabó como obispo de la ciudad bajo el nombre de Pablo de Santa María. Pero a partir de 1391 las conversiones fueron masivas y alcanzaron a judíos pobres y ricos por igual, y la motivación, más que responder a un mero oportunismo político, era otra muy diferente, el miedo."{3}

"Haim recordó algunos apellidos de judíos bilbilitanos, como Lupiel, Constantin, Abayud… El médido Todos Ib ben David se llamó más tarde Juan Sánchez, antecesor de Gabriel Sánchez, tesorero mayor del Reino de Aragón y consejero real, que fue decisivo en la expedición de Cristóbal Colón. Los judíos conversos cambiaban el nombre y el apellido."{4}. ( Gabriel is #8's oldest sibling)

Isaac Goluff Iben David. Aka Juan Sanchez de Calatayud
(Aka Isaac ibn Eleazar Golluf ha Levi in one document). Is the father of (6)

{Isaac has a younger brother Alazar "el menor" named after his paternal grandfather who is called "el Mayor" in his old age to distinguish him from his grandson. His grandfather is upset over the conversion of the older siblings so he skips the older ones in his will. The youngest, Alazar inherits and then converts much later, most likely after his grandfather passes away. The youngest has children from his first wife but she leaves him a widow and he remarries at a much older age and has many children with his much younger wife. It is the group of siblings from this second marriage that is confused by many to be first cousin of #8, Alfonso Sanchez (II). Because this Alazar is much younger than his brothers, and his children from his second wife were born much later, there is a split in the family where Isaacs family covers five generations where Alazars (el menor) family only covers three generations in the same time period. This totally confuses the people that try to explain the family tree and it causes many errors. Also, there was some friction in the family as a few (first conversos) were rich and caballeros and the more recent conversos were not as well off and struggling.)

6)↑ Pedro Sanchez ((I) (title:Caballero), married to Alfonsina Baron (o Varon)
His title of Caballero brought many advantages to his grandsons. His title allows his grandsons to "gosar de todos los privilegios y inmunidades que descendientes de caballeros y hidalgos acostumbran gosar los caballeros y hidalgos en el presente reino de Aragon".{5}

Caballero Pero (Pedro) Sanchez I and Alfonsina Baron are the parents of:

7) ↑ Pedro (Pero) Sanchez (II) married to Blanquina Palau
This a family of "comerciante ennoblecidos por el servicio a la Monarquia de Aragon.

Pedro Sanchez and Blanquina Palau have many children. Among the many children are Gabriel Sanchez, Francisco Sanchez, Guillen Sanchez, Luis Sanchez, Francisca Sanchez Caverllaria, Alfonso Sanchez (he is our ancestor), and others. There are many children and they have interesting stories that are recorded in history that I will add later). Gabriel and Alonso are friends of Christopher Colombus. They knew each other because of Christopher Colombus's father, Domenico Colonne who was also a merchant that exported throughout the same area that Alfonso was involved in business. A nephew of Alfonso Sanchez is Rodrigo Sanchez de Segovia who, among others, convinced Christopher Colombus that it was financially prudent to make slaves of the Indians in order to sell them. Rodrigo was on the first trip as veedor (inspector). Juan de San Pedro Sanchez (a brother or nephew, depending on the source) was also involved and convicted of the conspiracy to assassinate Pedro Abreus. {5}{6}{7}

8) ↑ Alfonso Sanchez (II) Palau. Aka (Alonso Sanchis) (b.1481) (d.3/June/1522) married to Leonor Dalmau
"Uno de los mayores operadores mercantiles" from Greece through all of the Mediterranean to Portugal and north to Ireland, England, France and north of France.
There are two main stories for Alfonso but he is also in many business records. The first, and false, allegation is that he is involved, with family members in the conspiracy to assassinate the inquisitor, and later saint, Pedro of Abreus. But it wasn't him, it was his relative with the same name who was a jurist. The second story is also important, and it is about how he is involved in a totally illegal sale of grains, while the people are hungary in Aragon, and to top it off he mixes old rotting grain to the good grain to make even more money. In both stories King Ferdinand protects him though there is obvious guilt in the second scandal and suspicion in the first.
They only had one son:

9) ↑ Miguel Sanchez Dalmau (d.1538) married to Isabel Hernandez de Hijar y Ramirez de Arellano.
They had at least two sons. The eldest, Alfonso Sanchez (III) Hernandez was named after his paternal grandfather and took over his business and position as lugarteniente tesorero. Toribio was a younger son. Toribio may have come over with another sibling that went to what is now New Mexico but this is only a theory right now that I am exploring.

10) ↑ Toribio Hernandez de Arellano (b. 1530) married to Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (b.<1542)

Toribio Hernandez de Arellano Sanchez's father passed away when he was about eight years old. His mother mostly likely took her younger children with her as she went back under the family umbrella of her parents, the Fernandez de Hijar y Ramirez de Arellano family. So Toribio spent his teenage years being cared for by the Hernandez de Hijar Ramirez de Arellano family and that is why he took the last name Hernandez de Arellano.

His much older brother Alfonso Sanchez (III) Hernandez Hijar inherited his lugarteniente tesorero de Valencia position and his merchant business. By the time Alfonso III inherited, the position did not have the same power that his grandfather had built up. His grandfather had created a very powerful position through his actions but he overplayed his hand with his arrogance and it was also because of his actions, and those of his family, that the position slowly lost power so even though his son and grandson took over this same position, by the time his grandson had it, the "power" associated with the position had been diminished tremendously but a distant cousin became governor of Aragon. Toribio's brother Alfonso III would still have had enough influence to help him go to Nueva Galicia despite the laws against it.

There are three Alfonso Sanchez in the family. There is Alfonso Sanchez,the jurist, whom I call Alfonso I, there is Alfonso Sanchez II the lugarteniente tesorero and grandfather of Alfonso III Sanchez Hernandez , the brother of Toribio Hernandez Arellano Sanchez.

The prestige that the family has held over the centuries was enough to make the connection and have two of Toribio's daughters have the Sanchez surname over the prestigious surnames of Hurtado de Mendoza, Fernandez de Hijar, and Ramirez de Arellano. There is no other Sanchez family that could have pulled this off.

Two lines, the first line is through Isabel to my wife's maternal grandfather
The second line is to my maternal grampndfather.

First line through Isabel, daughter of (7) Toribio, to my wife's grandfather.

11) ↑Isabel de Mendoza (b.1565) (m.29/Oct/1586)

12). ↑Maria Ornelas Mendoza (b1595) (m.28/Apr/1614)

13)↑Diego Marquez de Olivos Ornelas (b.1620)(buried: 18/Mar1672)

14) ↑Catarina Marquez Martin del Campo (b.1666) (d.10/Jan/1729)

15). ↑ Jose Gonzalez Rubio Marquez (b.1712)(d.21/Apr/1779)

16) ↑Maria Monica de la Trinidad Gonzalez Rubio Garcia (m.28/Jul/1773)

17). ↑Jose Rafael Lugardo Ortiz Gonzalez-Rubio (m.4/Feb/1801)

18) ↑Maria Cesaria Ortiz Garcia (c. 30/Aug/1820)(m.24/Apr/1839)

19). ↑Pablo Jimenez Ortiz (c. 23/Jan/1841)(m.11/Feb/1861)

20)↑Althanasia Jimenez Galvan (b. 4/May/1866)

21) ↑Pablo Lomelin Jimenez (b. 5/Jan/1905)

The second line is through Ana Sanchez, daughter of (7) Toribio

11). ↑Ana Sanchez de Mendoza (b.abt 1554) (m.abt 1575)

12). ↑Juan Becerra H. De Mendoza (b.abt1586)(m.abt1628)

13) ↑Maria Galindo (Becerra Galindo) (b.1630)

14) ↑Jose Gutierrez de Hermosillo Becerra (b. 1675) ( m.22/Feb/1702)

15). ↑Anna Beatriz Gutierrez Ornelas (m. 17/Nov/1746)

16) ↑Anna Bacilia Orosco Gutierrez (b.1767) (m. 18/Feb/1784) (El esposo, Jose Francisco Rodrguez de Hijar tambien desciende de Los Fernandez de Hijar ).

Sebastian Lopez Ramirez and Luis Lopez Ramirez were not brothers

Many genealogists have Luis Lopez Ramirez and Sebastian Lopez Ramirez as brothers because Jaime Holcombe incorrectly  stated in his cartas that they were brothers.  They have even put this false information on wikitree and stated that it was a fact.  These two men are related through marriage, but they aren't brothers. I won’t go into how they are related by marriage here in order to not confuse the issue as my intent here is to show that they aren't brothers.

Luis Lopez Ramirez is the son of Luis Lopez and Isabel Sanchez.  This Luis Lopez Ramirez is married to Catalina Rubio, daughter of Pedro Hernandez and Maria Rubio.

Sebastian Lopez Ramirez, aka Sebastian Ramirez, is the son of Andres Lopez and Isabel Ramirez, and Sebastian’s wife, Ana de la Cueva aka Ana de la Cueva y Sandoval, is the daughter of Pedro Garcia de la Cueva and Maria Teresa Sandoval (Pedro is the son of Alonso Hernandez de Rebollar and Maria Hernandez de la Cueva).

Andres is the son of Alvaro Lopez and Catalina Lopez.

Alvaro Lopez is the son of Sancho (Sanchu) Lopez and Beatriz Gonzalez, and his wife Catalina is the daughter of Juan Lopez and Ines Lopez. (There are two couples named Juan Lopez and Ines Lopez in the family tree).

The credit for researching these families, and finding the correct genealogies, goes to Jorge Barba Gomez.. 

The evidence for these genealogies can be found in the book “López, López, López, y Otros, Toledanos en la Nueva Galicia” authored by Jorge Barba Gómez, 2025.”   Primary sources that include wills, letters between family members, and marriage dispensations were used to identify the family relationships.   

Rick A. Ricci

 

Romo De Vivar: Descendants of the Influential Jewish Family Ha Levi

I believe that this presentation came from the late Sergio Gutierrez on 2010-03-17 in LA. I think that someone named Miguel Tran....? reposted it on this site. I was able to only download a portion of this presentation? Is there anyone that can assist me in getting a copy of the full text? Thanks, Rolando Romo

Information on Miguel Munoz (parents or siblings)? before 1634

Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez de Portugal married Feb 1st 1634.

They were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and had 3 chidren.

Diego Munoz b Sept 11 1634

Antonio Munoz b Aug 28 1636

Juan Munoz b Jul 22 1638

They were all born in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

I descend from Juan

 

Does anyone have any information about Miguel to find more of my paternal line?

Any assistance on places to check on this would be greatly appreciated.

It is interesting to note that there is extensive information on line showing that his wife Mariana Gomez de Portugal is a direct descendant of King Manual the 1st of Portugal, although illegitimate.

Thanks 

David Munoz
 

New book/De nobleza inmemorial

I have completed my fourth book, titled De Nobleza Inmemorial, which documents families of proven nobility from Nueva Galicia and New Spain. The work consists of eleven chapters and eight essays on the subject of hidalguía, and will feature a prologue by my friend Jorge Barba Gómez, author of several books of genealogy.

The book will first be available in Spanish on Amazon, with an English edition to follow.

Chapters:

  1. Los Condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América: La rama michoacana de los Gómez Fraile.
  2. El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León.
  3. Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda.
  4. Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano.
  5. Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el nuevo mundo.
  6. Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz al nuevo mundo.
  7. Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del primer imperio mexicano.
  8. Una poderosa unión: los Villavicencio y los Colmenares.
  9. Los Grijalba en la provincia de Colima.
  10. Los Sotelo: Nobleza zamorana en el Nuevo Mundo.
  11. Los Pardo de Lago: Una saga de nobleza gallega. 

Essays:

  1. El rompecabezas genealógico: Descifrando la sangre del Dr. Ignacio Fernández de Córdova.
  2. La controvertida ascendencia de Juan de Portugal.
  3. Los González Carrillo en Michoacán.
  4. Los Ponce y Somoza: Una alianza desde Monforte de Lemos.
  5. Falsos nobles: El licenciado Diego Téllez.
  6. Los Núñez de Soto y los Pantoja: nobleza extremeña en la conquista.
  7. Los Rentería y los Mújica: El poder de los vascos en la empresa indiana.
  8. El misterio de los Lomelín en Nueva España.

This is a book of which I am particularly fond of, as I have been able to present substantiated new information through properly referenced documentation.

For example, I trace the Fernández de Balduz family to its origins using a lawsuit filed by Antonio Fernández de Balduz against Miguel de Mirafuentes, which meticulously documents the family's genealogy. This work also identifies the Fernández de Balduz as a cadet branch of the House of Mirafuentes.

Furthermore, I resolve the genealogy of the Enríquez de Colmenares family, linking them, in their origin, to Báscones de Ojeda in Palencia, from which they departed to Carrión de los Condes. A nobility lawsuit from the Real Chancillería of Granada helps clarify the origins of the Grijalva family from Colima. The proceedings document their lineage as descending from the notable hidalgo Gonzalo Hernández Grijalva. He was also referred to as "Guadiloba," after the dehesa he possessed, a testament to his considerable wealth and influence.

Another highlight is the essay on the Núñez de Soto family, based on documentation I discovered in the R. Ch. of Granada. This record connects Gonzalo Núñez de Soto—husband of Bernardina de Mendoza—to his ancestral family in Jerez de los Caballeros.

For those interested, a short article I authored was released in Japan this past October. «Acceso digital a fuentes históricas ibéricas sobre Japón: PARES y DIGITARQ» Boletín Número 32, Essay No. 8

Sincerely,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

New Member

Greetings, 

I began my genealogy journey several years back researching my maternal grandfather's line.  My grandfather's mother (my great-grandmother) is originally from Ciudad Guzman (dob 1874) and had the maiden name of "Aguallo." A dear uncle of mine (now departed) would tell me stories about her maiden name and how it was linked to a small town (Nochistlan).  

During the COVID shutdown I followed the "aguallo" line back to the mid 1750's in Ciudad Guzman (Zapotlan Grande).  I found records (baptisms, marriage and death) on Family Search belonging to the "aguallo" line.  The oldest direct relative I found in Ciudad Guzman was Jose Vizente Ferrer de Aguayo (married in 1779), originally from Nochistlan, per his IM (a kind soul/wikitree moderator found the unindexed IM).  Unfortunately, I hit a wall at the time and could not find any additional documents for Jose Vizente Ferrer (ie a baptism record).  His marriage registry and IM identify one Antonio Mergil/Margil de Aguayo as his father (and Maria Tereza Yanez as his mother) but that's where the confusion remains (wikitree lists my Antonio Margil with another as an "unmerged match").  From Jose Vizente Ferrer's IM, specifically a testigo (Clemente de Aguayo, likely a uncle/cousin), I was able to indirectly zero-in on the Nochistlan family cluster but, again, no direct connection.  Frustrated at the time, I set this line aside until very recently.  

I used AI to review several Family Search derived docs to confirm my findings and possibly shed some light on my "wall."  The AI helped in nominal ways but often it seemed to hallucinate.  It did, however, make one interesting suggestion: it noted that given an age/time gap (the existing Antonio Margil de Aguayo on wikitree appears to have been born in 1710 and married in 1733), it was possible that the this represented a "generational collapse," meaning that the existing Antonio Margil de Aguayo may possibly have been an older relative with the same name married to a woman with a similar name (both Maria, possibly from the same "Yanez" family).  The AI further suggested that Antonio Margil, and father of Vizente, was likely an unidentified (on wikitree) brother of Clemente (both sons of Joseph de Aguayo and Manuela de Aguilar), all from Nochistlan, vice the listed brother of Joseph de Aguayo.  In other words, a son of Joseph sharing the same name as his uncle.  I then began searching the unindexed IMs on Family Search from Nochistlan circa 1750-55 (assuming that Jose Vizente Ferrer was born circa 1755).  While searching, I came across a 1751 Nochistlan IM for one Antonio de Aguayo (son of Joseph de Aguayo and Manuela de Aguilar) married to Maria "Camacho Hermocillo" (not Yanez).  Although unlikely to be my Antonio Margil, the IM does seem to identify a previously unidentified son of Joseph (brother of Clemente).  Needless to say, I'm back at my "wall," which is why I'm here, in the off chance someone has done some work on this line that can help me move past my wall.  Any help would be appreciated.

JL

p.s. I believe the "kind soul" from wikitree is a member of this distinguished group.

Lázaro Martín del Campo - New Information

As many of us have come to realize, the traditional genealogy connecting Lázaro Martín del Campo to Revilla del Campo is likely incorrect. 

Emerging evidence suggests that Bartolomé Martín del Campo and Lázaro Martín del Campo are two distinct individuals with no proven relation. While it was previously claimed that Lázaro was the same Bartolomé baptized in Revilla del Campo in 1605, the chronology is inconsistent. 

As Alfonso Martín del Campo Loza noted in his book "Memoria Documental y Gráfica de mi Apellido Martin del Campo", Lázaro was already established in Teocaltiche by 1618 and was a widower of Isabel Sánchez de Lara by 1623. A child baptized in 1605 could not have been a widower in 1623 with an established presence in Nueva Galicia by 1618. 

Recent findings point toward Herencia as the true origin: 

1) 1608 Record: I previously shared a 1608 record from Herencia showing a Lázaro Martín del Campo and his wife, María Díaz, acting as godparents: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6S69-D5H?view=fullText…;

2) The "Miguel Díaz" Connection: Jorge Barba identified that Miguel, a son of Lázaro Martín del Campo and María López de la Cruz, was registered as "Miguel Díaz" in the 1650 Jalostotitlán Census (Padrón). 

3) The Marriage Link: Jorge Barba subsequently located a marriage record dated February 8, 1587, in Herencia for the Lázaro Martín del Campo I found (son of Francisco Martín del Campo and Teresa Rodríguez) and María Alonso (Díaz). It is of utmost importance to mention that María’s parents were Miguel Díaz Avilés and Mari Díaz. 

While we cannot yet definitively prove the link, the timeline is highly compelling. 

If the Lázaro from Nueva Galicia was born circa 1590 to the couple in Herencia, he would have been 28 in Teocaltiche (1618) and a widower at 33 (1623). 

Furthermore, the naming of his son Miguel Díaz follows the tradition of naming children after their ancestors, in this case Miguel Díaz, father of María Alonso (also known as María Díaz). 

The proposed line is this one: 

1. Francisco Martín del Campo = Teresa Rodríguez 

1.1. Lázaro Martín del Campo = María Díaz/María Alonso, daughter of Miguel Díaz Avilés and Mari Díaz. 

1.1.1. Lázaro Martín del Campo = Isabel Sánchez de Lara = María López de la Cruz. 

Interestingly, Mariano González-Leal mentioned the possibility of the Herencia lineage as a footnote in Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia but did not pursue it. This is a testament to his intuition and skills as one of the greatest genealogists; even without today’s digital tools, he sensed a connection that we are only now able to substantiate. 

For those interested in a deeper dive, Jorge Barba has detailed these findings in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26PSzZwXEMM&t=6s&nbsp;

Best regards, 

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez

Sobre Los Rodriguez de Nochistlan

Que tal Amigos,

Es un mundo de informacion la que hay relacionada al apellido Rodriguez en Nochistlan, sin embargo yo estoy buscando a una familia en especifico y aunque el libro de Nochistlan seguramente esta muy completo, nose si me sirva para mi busqueda especifica. Les cuento esperando su consejo...

En 1759 vivia la familia (aparentemente española), compuesta por EUGENIO RODRIGUEZ Y MARCELINA GERTRUDIS CALVILLO, vivian en El Salitre, rancho cercano a Calvillo (antes llamado Valle de Huejucar), ellos tuvieron por lo menos los siguientes hijos:

Maria Casilda, Joseph Dionisio, Albina Gertrudis (casada con Juan Pablo Teliz en Yahualica), Joseph Vitorino, Joseph Maria y Maria Gertrudis.

EUGENIO RODRIGUEZ esta relacionado con los siguientes nombres que pueden ser sus hermanos, pues ellos fueron padrinos de sus hijos:

Ignacio Rodriguez y Gregoria de Jesus Puente
Juan Antonio Rodriguez y Juana Gertrudis Martinez
Pedro Rodriguez y Phelipa Ramirez

Gracias a una dispensa matrimonial de su hija Albina, dice que vienen de Nochistlan y que ahí se llevarían a cabo las amonestaciones.
Esto me lleva a Nochistlan, ¿alguno de Ustedes tiene alguna relacion con estos nombres? ¿han visto algo en el libro de Nochistlan que me convenga adquirirlo?

Como siempre quedo de Ustedes, como su amiga,
Veronica Rodriguez

CAPITÁN FRANCISCO TAVERA

I’ve found another Tierras y Aguas folder that’s filled with easter eggs, this one with families from early Lagos de Moreno: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GW-X?view=explo…

Dated 28 Sep 1674, it’s regarding a dispute between Juana Tavera (widow of Jacinto de Lariz) and Capitan Andres Ramirez de Cueva. To establish their claims, the two had to present land titles and other documentation, so we’re treated to the history of the lands in question, and to the names of all of the people who owned them since the arrival of the Spaniards. There are documents dating back to the founding of Lagos de Moreno - including a copy of the original charter given to Hernando Martel, dated 15 Jan 1563 (image 509). There are also titles that passed through cabildos in 1568 & 1569, which included Lorenzo Alvarez, Luis Lopez, Alonso Macias, Juan Becerra, Toribio Hernandez, and other early notables. Following are some relationships revealed throughout these documents - of interest to me, are those regarding the descendants of Capitan Francisco Tavera. But first, the plaintiffs and their claims:

Andres Ramirez de Cueva inherited his sitio from his parents, Sebastian Ramirez cc Ana de Cueva Herrera y Sandoval, who in turn, purchased it from Madre Luisa de San Juan, religiosa del Convento de la Limpia Concepcion in Mexico City, who inherited it from her parents, Antonio de Mena y Delgadillo cc Beatriz de Herrera; Antonio de Mena was son of Capn. Hernando de Mena cc Maria Delgadillo, who was daughter of Francisco de Mata cc Isabel de Vellosillo, who were early pobladores of Lagos and the original owners of the sitio, and who bequeathed it to their son, Padre Pedro de Mena clerigo, who bequeathed it to his nephew, Antonio de Mena. There’s also talk of another piece of land that passed through the hands of Nicolas de Esquivel and brothers Casimiro y Diego Lopez de Lara, though I only skimmed through that part.

Juana Tavera - Her sitio was donated to her, half, by her maternal grandfather, Capitan Francisco Tavera, and the other half, by the heirs of his widow, Luisa de Nava. And everything I thought I knew about Juana Tavera, I’ve gotten wrong: at the time in question, she was the widow of Jacinto de Lariz, but we learn that she was first married to Miguel Hernandez Ñagas. As for her parents, they were Agustin Izquierdo and Ana Godinez Tavera; 
Ana Godinez Tavera - and this is another one that a lot of us have gotten wrong - was the daughter of Capitan Francisco Tavera. Her mother is not named, but she isn’t the daughter of Luisa de Nava, who Francisco Tavera married in 1600, since Ana was born about a decade earlier. According to a declaration made by her father in 1613 (image 565), he had promised Ana a dowry when she married Agustin Izquierdo some 3 years previous, placing their marriage around 1610. After Izquierdo’s death, she married Francisco Sanchez Moreno on 27 Sep 1620, and is likely the same Ana Tavera who married Juan de Vega on 13 Apr 1633: Juan de Vega appeared as a copadrino with Ana’s daughter, Juana Tavera, shortly after that marriage, and I think he and Ana might have been the parents of Catalina de Oran y Vega, who married Joseph Macias Valades y Alvarez, which would reconcile the kinship proposed in the Felix Acosta/Maria Landeros dispensa, which has Catalina de Oran (who is mistakenly called Catalina Macias) as the sister of Juana Tavera:

Catalina (sic Macias)-1-Juana Tavera
Ursula Macias-2-Maria de Lariz
Felix de Acosta-3-Juana Gonz de Lariz
-     -     -     -     -4-Maria Landeros
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6RSK-M1?i=93&wc=3J4W-G…

Another dispensa linked to this family group is that of Francisco Medellin cc Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava, which reveals that Juana Tavera was sister of Maria Izquierdo y Tavera de la Vega, who married Diego Diaz Varela:

Juana Tavera-1-Maria Izquierdo Tavera
Antonio Hernandez-2-Ana Diaz Varela
Mariana de Alba-3-Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava
Francisco Medellin-4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K94-6K?i=279&wc=12512…

CAPITAN FRANCISCO TAVERA
As for Capitan Francisco Tavera, we are treated to a partial transcription of his testamento (image 576) - unfortunately, it’s only the cabeza and the clause in which he talks about the land in question, so we don’t get to know the names of his other children, nor who their mother (or mothers) are - but we do learn where he was born, and who his parents were: he was a native of the “pueblo de Muñoz, tierras de Salamanca,” and his parents were Antonio Tavera and Isabel Lopez Godino.

When presented as a witness on 15 Aug 1622 for the ordination of Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Francisco Tavera declared that he had married the postulant’s maternal grandmother, Luisa de Nava, the year before Diego was born (he was baptized 12 Aug 1601, so they married mid-1600). Luisa de Nava was the widow of Francisco Muñoz. This is verified by the above mentioned donation of half-a-sitio, made on 15 Aug 1622 (image 566) by their 3 sons-in-law, Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Juan de Isasi, and Marcos de Villalva, on behalf of their wives, Catalina, Sebastiana, and Ines Muñoz, respectively, as daughters and heirs of Luisa de Nava, who by that time, was deceased.

NICOLAS RAMIREZ
My interest in Francisco Tavera stems from the fact that I descend from Nicolas Ramirez cc Polonia de Torres, who is said to be his son. Does anyone know how this relationship was established? I’ve never seen any primary source documents to support it. And while some of Nicolas Ramirez’s children used the Tavera surname, I’ve never seen him given that surname in any primary source document - for all we know, it came from their mother. So I still have this relationship as “tentative.”

My only issue with this proposed relationship is the timeline: when presented as a witness by Padre Tomas Ruiz on 18 Jun 1592, Francisco Tavera declared that he was 40 years-old “poco mas o menos,” placing his birth around 1552:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSGG-X?i=822&cat=…

When presented as a witness on 15 Aug 1622 by Diego Ortiz Saavedra, he stated that he was “more than 70 years-old”, placing his birth before 1552: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV9M-P9?i=99&wc=SSKC-L…

Lagos de Moreno was founded on 31 Mar 1563, so these estimates would have made him 11 years-old when it was founded, which is doable (he could’ve been a page), but in all likelyhood, he was underestimating his age.

In turn, his supposed son, Nicolas Ramirez, was said to be among the founders of Aguascalientes (22 Oct 1575); this can be confirmed by titles of lands granted to him at that time. One would assume that, to be eligible to receive land grants, one would have to be at least 20-25 years old (age of majority was 25), placing Ramirez’s birth before 1555 - not long after his supposed father was supposedly born. But, as mentioned, the ages given in these documents were typically estimates, with a margin of 10 years and even more, in some cases.

I hope you all find this information useful, and I hope others can expound on it.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Pedro Ortiz de Anda

Reading back through the archives I found a post that states Mr Jaime Holcomb believed Pedro Ortiz de Anda (born c1560) was the natural son of Pedro de Anda Altamirano (c1535-1619). 

He also believed Isabel Ortiz de Anda (cc Pedro Gómez de Portugal), Pedro Ortiz de Anda (cc Ana Ramírez) and Catalina Ortiz de Anda (cc Esteban de Pastrano) were all also natural children (born outside of marriage) of the above Pedro Ortiz de Anda. 

Has there been any research on this family recently that validates or disproves Mr Holcomb's views?

Thank you. 

Travis

Household of Antonio de Aguirre and the Gomez/de Anda family

UPDATED:

[I deleted most of my original comment. Additional information is now available that makes my original theory untenable.]

Juana Gómez, Joachin Gómez, Ynes Gómez and Gaspar Gómez are all listed in the 1669 Padrón de Santa María de los Lagos as part of the household of Antonio de Aguirre and his wife, Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz (daughter of Pedro Gómez de Portugal and Isabel Ortiz de Anda):

estancia o casa de Antonio deaguirre
Ysavel Gomez Sumuger - ++
Juana gomez Soltera - ++
Pedro martin casado con - ++
Ynes gomez - ++
Joachin gomez - ++
gaspar gomez - ++
Magdalena Gutierres sumuger - ++

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KTXV

My family is descended from three of the four (Juana, Gaspar and Joachin), so the question of their identity is important to us. 

I originally proposed some or all of them were Isabel's children by a previous relationship. I was wrong. Newly discovered information now verifies the relationships between Juana, Joachin and Gaspar Gómez, as well as sets the estimated dates of birth for Juana and Gaspar back considerably to be more in line with the date of birth of Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz. She cannot be their mother, but may instead be their sister. 

A 1709 Dispensa Matrimonial establishes:

  • Juana Gómez and Gaspar Gómez are hermanos.
  • Joachin Gómez is Juana's son and Gaspar's nephew.
  • Gaspar Gómez is married to Magdalena de Ayala AKA Gutiérrez AKA del Vargas (as seen in the 1669 padrón), and they share a son named Antonio.
  • Maria Gómez is daughter of Joachin Gómez and Juana de Ysassi, and is granddaughter of Juana Gomez. She and her cousin, Antonio Gómez, are engaged to be married.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7

While I'm certain Ynes Gómez AKA Hortis (from the de Aguirre household in the 1669 padron) is related to this group, the nature of this relationship isn't yet determined.

____________

Below are transcriptions from the 1676 Padron de Lagos concerning the Aguirre and allied households and afterwards a tree with all sources cited.

Transcription of the household of Antonio de Aguirre and Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz, from image 49 of the 1676 Padron de Santa Maria de los Lagos:

Rancho de Ant.o deaguirre
Ant.o deAguirre Esp C++
Ysabel Ortiz ++
Joseph de aguirre S++
Ant.o Ortiz s++
Ju.o de aguirre Esp de 11años

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYM7

From image 30 of the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos:

Cassa de Joseph Sanches
Joseph Sanches Esp C++ [husband of Aldonza Ortiz of about 4 years at this time]
Aldonza ortiz de Aguirre Esp++ [Aldonza uses both parents' surnames despite being born almost 10 years before their marriage in 1666] 
Nicolas de Aguirre niño de 9 años [son of Antonio de Aguirre and Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz, younger brother of Aldonza]
Pasqual Delacruz Y C++ [Servant?]
thereza Ma Y ++ [Servant?]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYNC

From image 31 of the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos:

Cassa de Cat.n de Ortega
Cat.n de Ortega Esp V++  [Catalina de Ortega, viuda de Bartolome Martín]
Nicolas martín Esp s++ [son of Catalina de Ortega and Bartolome Martín]
P.o martín C++ Ynes gomes ++ [Pedro Martín, son of Catalina de Ortega and Bartolome Martín. Husband of Ynes Gómez]
Ysabel martin Esp s++ [daughter of Pedro Martín and Ynés Gómez, namesake of Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz or Isabel Ortiz de Anda?]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KY6R

_______________

Below is a tree based upon the latest information:

***Unproven children in italics***

1st Generation of the proposed household of Antonio de Aguirre as seen in the 1669 and 1676 padrons:

  • Siblings Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz, Juana Gómez AKA de Anda and Gaspar Gómez:

1.1 Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz
1st cc?
2nd cc 1666 Antonio de Aguirre (Español)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5YL-F

1.2 Juana Gómez AKA Juana de Anda (Española)
cc ????
1709 Dispensa Matrimonial (sister to Gaspar Gómez and mother of Joachin Gómez): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7
1635 (Madrina as Juana de Anda with her brother Gaspar Gómez as padrino): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-J
1663 (Madrina with her father Pedro Gómez de Portugal as padrino): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TV-1

1.3 Gaspar Gómez (Español, mestizo)
d. 1684
cc 11 Apr 1649 Ana de Quesada
Marriage to 1st wife: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5BF-W ("fueron testigos Joseph Gomez Portugal padrinos. y Joana Masias")
cc (prob c1666-c1668) doña Magdalena Gutiérrez AKA de Ayala AKA del Vargas (Española)
1669 Padron de Lagos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KTXV
1709 Dispensa Matrimonial (brother to Juana Gómez; uncle of her son, Joachin Gómez; husband of Magdalena de Ayala and father of Antonio Gómez): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7
(Padrino with sister "Juana de Anda" as madrina): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-J
(1684 burial of Gaspar Gómez, husband of dona Magdalena del Vargas): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9X-G8
(1721 burial of "Magdalena de Allala, espanola viuda ... de Gaspar Gomez"): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K39V-MF

2nd Generation of the proposed household of Antonio de Aguirre as seen in the 1669 and 1676 padrons:

  • Children born to Isabel Ortiz prior to her 1666 marriage with Antonio de Aguirre:

1.1.1 Aldonsa Ortiz AKA de Aguirre (mestiza, Española) 
cc 1672 José Sánchez (mestizo, Español)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5Y1-W
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYNC

1.1.2 Antonio de Ortiz?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYM7

  • Known children born to Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz after her 1666 marriage with Antonio de Aguirre:

1.1.3 Juan de Aguirre (Español)
n. c1666
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYM7

1.1.4 Nicolas de Aguirre (mestizo)
n. c1667
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG2J-748
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYNC

  • Child of Juana Gómez AKA de Anda:

1.2.1 Joachin Gómez (mestizo)
cc Juana de Ysassi (morisca, mestiza) (Sister of Maria de Ysassi and Ygnacio de Ysassi below)
1669 Padron: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KTXV
1678 Marriage to Juana de Ysassi: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9J-FX
Dispensa matrimonial de Juan Javier Isassi y su bisnieta María Guadalupe Gómez (1780): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6L9C-PP (Lists Joachin and Gertrudis Gómez as siblings. They should be primos hermanos, or 1st cousins. I believe this dispensa erroneously left out their parents' generation: siblings Juana Gómez AKA de Anda and Gaspar Gómez)  
1709 Dispensa Matrimonial (son of Juana Gómez, nephew of Gaspar Gómez, husband of Juana de Ysassi, father of Maria Gómez and cousin of Antonio Gómez): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7

  • Children of Gaspar Gomez and Ana de Quesada:

1.3.1 Pedro Gómez
n. 1649, b. 14 Nov 1649 padrinos: Pedro Gomez Portugal & Ysabel Ortis
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5BR-X

1.3.2 Nicolás Gómez de Portugal AKA Maravilla (mestizo, Español)
cc 14 Nov 1674 María de Ysassi AKA Díaz (sister of Juana de Ysassi above and Ygnacio de Ysassi below)
"hijo legitimo de Gaspar Gomes de Portugal i Ana de Quesada defuncta" and Padrinos: Ygnacio Gutiérrez y doña Juana Rincon, sumuger (related to Gaspar's second wife, Magdalena Gutierrez AKA de Ayala AKA del Vargas?).
Listed with wife's family in 1676 padron of Lagos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KR24
d. 1688: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9X-61

  • Children of Gaspar Gómez and doña Magdalena Gutiérrez AKA de Ayala AKA del Vargas:

1.3.3 Joseph Gómez (Español)
cc 1688 Ana de Avalos (mestiza), daughter of Francisco de Abalos & Francisca de Retamossa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9N-L7

1.3.4 Agueda Gómez (Española)
cc 1693 Gabriel Ortiz (Español), son of Gabriel Ortiz de Anda (Español, mestizo) & Josepha de Ortega (mestiza)
1639 Baptism of the elder Gabriel Ortiz (son of Pedro Ortiz de Anda and Ana Ramírez): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5RJ-H
1693 Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9F-8Y

1.3.5 Gertrudis Gómez
cc Ygnacio de Ysassi (brother of María de Ysassi AKA Díaz and Juana de Ysassi above)
Ygnacio in the 1676 Padron: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KR24
Dispensa matrimonial de Juan Javier Isassi y su bisnieta María Guadalupe Gómez (1780): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6L9C-PP (Lists Joachin and Gertrudis Gómez as siblings. They should be primos hermanos, or 1st cousins. I believe this dispensa erroneously left out their parents' generation: siblings Juana Gómez AKA de Anda and Gaspar Gómez)
Dispensa matrimonial de su bisnieto José Mariano de Isassi y María Francisca Gómez (1798):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65RH-9

1.3.6 Antonio Gómez (mestizo)
n. 1683
cc 1709 María Gómez (mestizo), daughter of Joachin Gómez above and 1st cousin once removed from her husband, see  
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K9F7-9
1709 Dispensa Matrimonial: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7
Dispensa matrimonial de su bisnieto José Mariano de Isassi y María Francisca Gómez (1798):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65RH-9

3rd Generation of the proposed household of Antonio de Aguirre as seen in the 1669 and 1676 padrons:

Bernardina Mendoza duda con los Duques de Alba

Hola a todos.

He encontrado encontrado en la pagina de
http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-Pantoja-De-Mendoza/6000000008718635886
que Bernardina Mendoza, esposa de Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor, fue
descendiente de Inés Alvarez de Toledo y esta última
fue descendiente de los duques de Alba. esto me parece muy interesante
ya que Bernardina Mendoza es mi ancestro, pero
las fechas de nacimiento no son lógicas ya que Bernardina Mendoza
tiene como año de nacimiento el 1533 y Luis Hurtado
de Mendoza (esposo de Inés Alvares de Toledo) tiene como año de
nacimiento el 1500. como se ve en 33 años no pueden existir 4 generaciones.
Mis preguntas hacia el foro son, ¿habrá un error en las fechas? o
¿simplemente no hay relación entre Bernardina Mendoza y Luis Hurtado de
Mendoza?

Agradesco la aclaración que presten a mi gran duda.

Saludos.
Atentamente:
Mario González

Anyone interested in the marriage record for Joseph Moreno de Ortega & Petrolina Ramirez?

Hello everyone,

I just found a record that has been eluding me for a very long time. If anyone is interested it is a very interesting read. As mentioned the couple is Joseph Moreno de Ortega and Petrolina Ramirez married in Lagos de Moreno 1708.

If you are interested the 10 page document can be found under Lagos de Moreno: Informaciones Matrimoniales 1708-1709: images 159-169

the basic facts are as follows ... however, as I mentioned it is an interesting read ... you rarely find more than names and dates and this one tells of a love story between a young man from a “familia de calidad” and a young woman of “baja esphera” .... just thought I’d share.

couple: Joseph Moreno de Ortega & Petrolina Ramirez
date of record: July 29 1708
Groom's parents: Juan Moreno de Ortega & Beatris Vazquez Zermeño
Bride's parents: Nicolas Ramirez & Andrea de los Reyes
groom age: 25 (1683)
bride age: 21 (1687)

Enjoy,
-Angelina-

Nueva información sobre Juan de Pantoja

Buenos días.

Hace algunos años tuvimos una interesante conversación sobre Juan de Pantoja, padre de Bernardina de Mendoza y Pantoja y esposa de Gonzalo Núñez de Soto.

La filiación es descrita en los méritos del Lic. Sebastián de la Peña y Mendoza, hijo de Baltasar de la Peña y de Catalina de Mendoza y Pantoja, nieto materno de Gonzalo Núnez de Soto y de Bernardina de Mendoza, bisnieto de Juan de Pantoja (MERITOS: Sebastián de Lapeña y Mendoza. Archivo General de Indias, 1664, INDIFERENTE,120,N.74, Imagen 7)

Juan de Pantoja, uno de los primeros conquistadores de la Nueva España y regidor de la ciudad de Pátzcuaro hizo un informe de méritos en 1577 el cual se encuentra aquí:

Datos interesantes: se nombra a su esposa como Catalina de Medina, hija de Domingo de Medina (uno de los primeros pobladores de la Nueva España que pasó con Cortés y después fue vecino de Michoacán teniendo la Encomienda de Tancítaro)
Varios testigos indican que es caballero hijodalgo notorio de mucha calidad y natural de Medellín. Además pasó a la Nueva España con su tío Pedro de Pantoja.

El hecho de que sea natural de Medellín podría indicarnos que perteneció al linaje de Juan de Pantoja el cual testó en Medellín el 14 de Noviembre de 1482, y de su esposa Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza, hija de Alfón Durán y de Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval. De ser así el apellido Mendoza que en tantas generaciones se perpetuó vendría por el lado del regidor Juan de Pantoja.

Aquí pueden leer el documento: https://fromthepage.lib.utexas.edu/llilasbenson/colonial-mss/conquistad…

Saludos,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

Birth registration term "enero proxima pasado"

Hello

I have seen the term "enero proxima pasado" on a birth registration. Date of registration is February in 1911, date of birth is 29 January. 

AI says the term indicates that the birth was in January of the year before (that would be in 1910). However, I am not sure AI is correct. Anyone else ever interpret this term/phrase?

The birth registration itself is from Guanajuato which is off-topic, but the issue is one that could show up in records from Jalisco and Zacatecas - which share a border with Guanajuato - and Aguascalientes. (One branch of the family in question - Araiza - may have come originally from Jalisco.) 

Best regards

Denise Fastrup

Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad d

Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.

Se desprendían desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ahí hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlán y Guadalajara de nuevo.

De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos hacia León (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Martín), Gto.
De Jalostotitlán, salió la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.
(Ordenanzas de colonización de 1573).

TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES

1. Lomelí, Gallo, González (provenientes de Yahualica).
2. Padilla, Reynoso.
3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanromán, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.
4. Pérez, Franco, Padilla, Jiménez, Reynoso, González
5. Barba, González.

Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. Pág. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colección Regiones. CONACULTA.

Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomelín, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.
Lomelín es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y Córdoba al Sur de España. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomelín.
Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo uno de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarría.
Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares
Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un águila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situación de ataque.

Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.

don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía: Indio and Cacique

I'm descended from don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía through a few of his children. He's the purchaser (1690s) of a piece of land in Lagos de Moreno, known as Cañada de los Indios Ricos (modern Cañada de Ricos).

 Any information on the following family would be helpful: 

1st generation: don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía born about 1635 cc Beatris Inés. (Probable brother or 1st cousin of don Francisco de Luna born about 1637 and died abt. 1686, married doña Ana Catarina de la Cruz). 

2nd generation:

- Miguel Jacinto de Luna y Tapía born bef. 1652 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Pasquala Magdalena de Luna y Tapía born before 1657 probably in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- don Patricio de Luna y Tapía born before 1666 probably in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco cc doña María de la Encarnación de Alarcon (AKA María de la Cruz). 

- Andrea de la Cruz (AKA Andrea de Luna) born before 1667 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Cristobal de Luna y Tapía born about 1667 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Rita de Luna born about May 1670 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- doña Alfonsa de Luna born about 1672 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

All the above are noted as INDIO in records, and many are noted as don, doña, cacique and/or principale, prior to and after the purchase of Cañada de Ricos. 

According to records, don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía spoke Nahuatl. This fact, plus the marriage patterns of the next 2 to 3 generations of his family lead me to believe that the Luna y Tapía family were Tlaxcalan in origin not Otomi, as many suggest. 

Any information or theories about the de Luna y Tapía families of Cañada de Ricos, Encinillas and Ciénega de Mata are welcome. 

Thank you. 

Best, 

Travis

Indios

Hello everyone!

Can anyone direct me to resources available in print or online, that specifically addresses the Tlaxcalan and Otomi families of Las Lagunas, Buenavista and the Pueblo de Moya?

I purchased and read Mario Gómez Mata's book, INDIOS, but it reads more as an historical narrative of the pueblos - which it is - but not as a genealogical work. 

The majority of our Indio ancestors are Tlaxcala and Otomi and from very specific families: Rhea, Hernández del Aguila, San Joseph, de Luna y Tapia, etc. 

Has anyone compiled the genealogies of the founding and early families of the Pueblos in Lagos de Moreno? 

I'm trying to document our ancestors from Moya and Buenavista, but it's like pulling teeth to trace them prior to 1660 or so, with all the surname changes. 

In one document, someone may be named Pedro de la Cruz and another, he's Pedro Hernándes, and then in a third document, he'll be called, Pedro del Aguila. It's a very tedious process, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here if someone else has done this work already. 

Does anyone here have any suggestions?

Best,

Travis