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Este artículo menciona al abuelito de mi primo. Se llama Francisco Torres Montelongo. ¿Como puedo obtener más información sobre el papel q desempeño en la batalla de Zacatecas?

Se q sus padres fueron Encarnacion Torres y Adelaida Montelongo. Su esposa fue Maria Trinidad Manchaca. Se casó con ella en 1922 en Calera, Zacatecas cuando él tenía 27 años de edad. Era su segundo matrimonio de el.

Vivió más de 100 años pero no encuentro su registro de disfunción.

Gracias

http://ntrzacatecas.com/2014/06/25/distinguen-en-calera-a-revolucionari…

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Reading back through the archives I found a post that states Mr Jaime Holcomb believed Pedro Ortiz de Anda (born c1560) was the natural son of Pedro de Anda Altamirano (c1535-1619). 

He also believed Isabel Ortiz de Anda (cc Pedro Gómez de Portugal), Pedro Ortiz de Anda (cc Ana Ramírez) and Catalina Ortiz de Anda (cc Esteban de Pastrano) were all also natural children (born outside of marriage) of the above Pedro Ortiz de Anda. 

Has there been any research on this family recently that validates or disproves Mr Holcomb's views?

Thank you. 

Travis

Hola compañeros, alguno de ustedes sabe algo sobre la descendencia de Pedro Plascencia, que según un dispensa matrimonial de 1700 en Tepatitlán, menciona que es hermano de Juan de Aceves, marido de Beatriz de Hermosillo.

A continuación la dispensa tomada del libro de Luz Montejano:

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jal. Julio 25 de 1700. Exp. 198.- Dispensa de cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita por dos líneas.- Matheo Ponce, mestizo de 30 años de edad, vecino de esta jurisdicción de Thecpatitlán, viudo de Rita Gutiérrez; con Juana de Hermosillo, mestiza de 22 años de edad, vecina de esta jurisdicción, hija legítima de Francisco Jaramillo y de Theresa de Hermosillo.
Declaración del pretenso: Porque Rita Gutiérrez, difunta, fue hija legítima de Baltasar Gutiérrez y de María de Placencia, y el dicho Baltasar, es hijo de Francisco Gutiérrez, y éste fué hijo de Leonor de Hermosillo, hermana de Beatriz de Hermosillo, bisabuela de la referida Juana de Hermosillo. Declaración de Joseph de Aceves, español de 46 años de edad, pariente de los pretensos: Por haber sido Rita Gutiérrez y Juana de Hermosillo, bisnietas de dos hermanas que lo fueron Leonor de Hermosillo y Beatriz de Hermosillo, de la cual fué hija Theresa de Aceves, y que ésta fué madre de Theresa de Hermosillo, y ésta madre de Juana de Hermosillo, y por lo que mira a Leonor de Hermosillo, sabe fué madre de Francisco Gutiérrez y éste fué padre de Baltasar Gutiérrez y éste es padre de Rita, difunta, y por otra línea Rita Gutiérrez y Juana de Hermosillo, fueron bisnietas de dos hermanos que lo fueron Pedro de Placencia y Juan de Aceves, y Pedro fué padre de Mariana de Placencia, y ésta fué madre de María de Placencia, madre de Rita Gutiérrez, y Juan de Aceves, fué padre de Theresa de Aceves, y ésta fue madre de Theresa de Hermosillo, y ésta es madre de Juana de Hermosillo. 10 fojas.

Me interesa completar ésta rama, ya que yo desciendo de dicho matrimonio de Mateo Ponce y Juana Jaramillo.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
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I’ve found another Tierras y Aguas folder that’s filled with easter eggs, this one with families from early Lagos de Moreno: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GW-X?view=explo…

Dated 28 Sep 1674, it’s regarding a dispute between Juana Tavera (widow of Jacinto de Lariz) and Capitan Andres Ramirez de Cueva. To establish their claims, the two had to present land titles and other documentation, so we’re treated to the history of the lands in question, and to the names of all of the people who owned them since the arrival of the Spaniards. There are documents dating back to the founding of Lagos de Moreno - including a copy of the original charter given to Hernando Martel, dated 15 Jan 1563 (image 509). There are also titles that passed through cabildos in 1568 & 1569, which included Lorenzo Alvarez, Luis Lopez, Alonso Macias, Juan Becerra, Toribio Hernandez, and other early notables. Following are some relationships revealed throughout these documents - of interest to me, are those regarding the descendants of Capitan Francisco Tavera. But first, the plaintiffs and their claims:

Andres Ramirez de Cueva inherited his sitio from his parents, Sebastian Ramirez cc Ana de Cueva Herrera y Sandoval, who in turn, purchased it from Madre Luisa de San Juan, religiosa del Convento de la Limpia Concepcion in Mexico City, who inherited it from her parents, Antonio de Mena y Delgadillo cc Beatriz de Herrera; Antonio de Mena was son of Capn. Hernando de Mena cc Maria Delgadillo, who was daughter of Francisco de Mata cc Isabel de Vellosillo, who were early pobladores of Lagos and the original owners of the sitio, and who bequeathed it to their son, Padre Pedro de Mena clerigo, who bequeathed it to his nephew, Antonio de Mena. There’s also talk of another piece of land that passed through the hands of Nicolas de Esquivel and brothers Casimiro y Diego Lopez de Lara, though I only skimmed through that part.

Juana Tavera - Her sitio was donated to her, half, by her maternal grandfather, Capitan Francisco Tavera, and the other half, by the heirs of his widow, Luisa de Nava. And everything I thought I knew about Juana Tavera, I’ve gotten wrong: at the time in question, she was the widow of Jacinto de Lariz, but we learn that she was first married to Miguel Hernandez Ñagas. As for her parents, they were Agustin Izquierdo and Ana Godinez Tavera; 
Ana Godinez Tavera - and this is another one that a lot of us have gotten wrong - was the daughter of Capitan Francisco Tavera. Her mother is not named, but she isn’t the daughter of Luisa de Nava, who Francisco Tavera married in 1600, since Ana was born about a decade earlier. According to a declaration made by her father in 1613 (image 565), he had promised Ana a dowry when she married Agustin Izquierdo some 3 years previous, placing their marriage around 1610. After Izquierdo’s death, she married Francisco Sanchez Moreno on 27 Sep 1620, and is likely the same Ana Tavera who married Juan de Vega on 13 Apr 1633: Juan de Vega appeared as a copadrino with Ana’s daughter, Juana Tavera, shortly after that marriage, and I think he and Ana might have been the parents of Catalina de Oran y Vega, who married Joseph Macias Valades y Alvarez, which would reconcile the kinship proposed in the Felix Acosta/Maria Landeros dispensa, which has Catalina de Oran (who is mistakenly called Catalina Macias) as the sister of Juana Tavera:

Catalina (sic Macias)-1-Juana Tavera
Ursula Macias-2-Maria de Lariz
Felix de Acosta-3-Juana Gonz de Lariz
-     -     -     -     -4-Maria Landeros
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6RSK-M1?i=93&wc=3J4W-G…

Another dispensa linked to this family group is that of Francisco Medellin cc Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava, which reveals that Juana Tavera was sister of Maria Izquierdo y Tavera de la Vega, who married Diego Diaz Varela:

Juana Tavera-1-Maria Izquierdo Tavera
Antonio Hernandez-2-Ana Diaz Varela
Mariana de Alba-3-Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava
Francisco Medellin-4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K94-6K?i=279&wc=12512…

CAPITAN FRANCISCO TAVERA
As for Capitan Francisco Tavera, we are treated to a partial transcription of his testamento (image 576) - unfortunately, it’s only the cabeza and the clause in which he talks about the land in question, so we don’t get to know the names of his other children, nor who their mother (or mothers) are - but we do learn where he was born, and who his parents were: he was a native of the “pueblo de Muñoz, tierras de Salamanca,” and his parents were Antonio Tavera and Isabel Lopez Godino.

When presented as a witness on 15 Aug 1622 for the ordination of Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Francisco Tavera declared that he had married the postulant’s maternal grandmother, Luisa de Nava, the year before Diego was born (he was baptized 12 Aug 1601, so they married mid-1600). Luisa de Nava was the widow of Francisco Muñoz. This is verified by the above mentioned donation of half-a-sitio, made on 15 Aug 1622 (image 566) by their 3 sons-in-law, Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Juan de Isasi, and Marcos de Villalva, on behalf of their wives, Catalina, Sebastiana, and Ines Muñoz, respectively, as daughters and heirs of Luisa de Nava, who by that time, was deceased.

NICOLAS RAMIREZ
My interest in Francisco Tavera stems from the fact that I descend from Nicolas Ramirez cc Polonia de Torres, who is said to be his son. Does anyone know how this relationship was established? I’ve never seen any primary source documents to support it. And while some of Nicolas Ramirez’s children used the Tavera surname, I’ve never seen him given that surname in any primary source document - for all we know, it came from their mother. So I still have this relationship as “tentative.”

My only issue with this proposed relationship is the timeline: when presented as a witness by Padre Tomas Ruiz on 18 Jun 1592, Francisco Tavera declared that he was 40 years-old “poco mas o menos,” placing his birth around 1552:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSGG-X?i=822&cat=…

When presented as a witness on 15 Aug 1622 by Diego Ortiz Saavedra, he stated that he was “more than 70 years-old”, placing his birth before 1552: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV9M-P9?i=99&wc=SSKC-L…

Lagos de Moreno was founded on 31 Mar 1563, so these estimates would have made him 11 years-old when it was founded, which is doable (he could’ve been a page), but in all likelyhood, he was underestimating his age.

In turn, his supposed son, Nicolas Ramirez, was said to be among the founders of Aguascalientes (22 Oct 1575); this can be confirmed by titles of lands granted to him at that time. One would assume that, to be eligible to receive land grants, one would have to be at least 20-25 years old (age of majority was 25), placing Ramirez’s birth before 1555 - not long after his supposed father was supposedly born. But, as mentioned, the ages given in these documents were typically estimates, with a margin of 10 years and even more, in some cases.

I hope you all find this information useful, and I hope others can expound on it.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hello All,

It's been a while since I last posted in this forum. For those who don't know me, I run a website called valladoliddispensas.com, which is similar to guadalajaradispensas.com. Its purpose is to index all of the matrimonial dispensation records (and other types of genealogical information) from the "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán/Casa de Morelos" microfilm archive, which is available through familysearch.org. The "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán" covered the modern-day states of Michoacán, San Luis Potosí, Guanajuato, and Colima, as well as parts of Jalisco and Guerrero.

I wanted to share a few quick updates on the features I've added to the site:

First, I've updated all of the indexes so that you can now click on an entry's page-number link and be taken directly to that page in the corresponding FamilySearch microfilm. This should (hopefully) speed up your research.

Second, I've added a feature that organizes all of the index entries by town. If you'd like to see every entry for, say, Tamazula, Jalisco, you can open the town link for Tamazula and find all of the entries for that town, listed in chronological order. You can access this feature here: https://www.valladoliddispensas.com/p/indices-por-pueblo-del-antiguo-ob…

Finally, I've updated the site's theme to better match the content we're presenting and, hopefully, make it easier to navigate.

I hope you find these updates useful. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out through our "Contact Us!" link on the main page.

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Hola a todos:

Ha pasado un buen tiempo desde mi última publicación en este foro. Para quienes no me conocen, administro un sitio web llamado valladoliddispensas.com, que es parecido al de guadalajaradispensas.com. Su propósito es indexar toda la información de dispensas matrimoniales (y otros tipos de información genealógica) del archivo de microfilmes del "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán/Casa de Morelos", disponible a través de familysearch.org. El "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán" abarcaba los estados actuales de Michoacán, San Luis Potosí, Guanajuato y Colima, así como partes de Jalisco y Guerrero.

Quería compartir algunas novedades sobre las funciones que he agregado al sitio:

Primero, actualicé todos los índices para que ahora puedan hacer clic en el enlace del número de página de una entrada y este los lleva directamente a esa página en el microfilme correspondiente de FamilySearch. Espero que les ayude a agilizar sus investigaciones.

Segundo, agregué una función que organiza todas las entradas de los índices por pueblo. Si quieren ver todas las entradas de, por ejemplo, Tamazula, Jalisco, pueden abrir el enlace del pueblo de Tamazula y encontrarán todas las entradas de ese lugar, en orden cronológico. Pueden acceder a esta función aquí: https://www.valladoliddispensas.com/p/indices-por-pueblo-del-antiguo-ob…

Por último, actualicé el tema (diseño) del sitio para que refleje mejor el contenido que presentamos y, con suerte, sea más fácil de navegar.

Espero que estas novedades les resulten útiles. Si tienen alguna pregunta, no duden en escribirme a través de nuestro enlace "Contact Us!" en la página principal.

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hello all,

Does anyone know if there is, in fact, a 1610 padrón of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos?

I have read that Santa María de los Lagos by Alfredo Moreno González contains a simple list of inhabitants transcribed from the original 1610 padrón. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy of the book.

Does anyone know more about the 1610 padrón, the original document, or where I might find the info from Moreno González’s book?

Thank you,
Travis

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For a very long time, the beauty and elegance of the Corcuera and Palomar ladies were almost legendary. My grandmother, a Palomar herself, representing la crème de la crème of Mexican high society, was raised in their midst alongside their uncles and cousins, and she often spoke fondly of their many stories.

This is the portrait of Concepción L. Corcuera y Palomar, painted by Philip de László in 1926. She was the first cousin of my third grandfather, José Federico Elías Miguel Palomar y Vizcarra, of the Marquises of Pánuco. (Catalogue | The Catalogue | Loizaga Corcuera de Verea, Concepción, née Concepción Loizaga Corcuera Palomar | The de Laszlo Archive Trust)

Her daughter, Elena, married Carlos Alfonso Mitjans y Fitz-James Stuart, Count of Teba and Baños, and a Grandee of Spain. He was the son of Juan Manuel de Mitjans y Manzanedo (1865–1929; Duke of Santoña, Grandee of Spain, 3rd Marquis of Manzanedo, Gentleman to H.M. the King of Spain, Deputy to the Cortes, and Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Crown of Italy) and Eugenia Sol María del Pilar Fitz-James Stuart y Falcó (1880–1962; 14th Countess of Baños, Grandee of Spain, 16th Countess of Teba, and Lady-in-Waiting to H.M. Queen Victoria Eugenie of Spain).

According to my grandmother, the Count of Teba was hopelessly devoted to her aunt Elena. It was no secret that the celebrated beauty of Elena and her sisters captivated the grandest halls of the Spanish aristocracy.

— Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez, Lord of the Solar de Tejada

I am hoping someone that is still active on here has a copy of the 700 page manuscript by Guadalupe Diaz De Leon on the genealogical history of the Diaz De Leon family. I joined this community after coming across a post discussing the existence of it and (I believe) Felipe Reyes said he had scanned all 700 pages and had it digitally. 

Dear Cousin John:

The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a titled
manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the year
of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family Diaz
of Leon and other ancient surnames of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and
Jalisco.That valious story includes the years from 1620 to 1890 and contains
information of incredible testimonial value. I have an “scanned” file .
This document is 700 pages thick. Tell me if you need that I sen it to you
E-mail or "upload it" the familiar archives of "Nuestros Ranchos", for
permanent consultation of our genealogists cousins. Our causin Jorge Mendoza
already is consulting it.
Felipe reyes Romo

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I stumbled upon another case where it seems likely two individuals are in actuality the same man...

There appear to be two men named Basilio de Valdés, both born around the same time. However, the available records strongly suggest that they were the same individual.

Basilio de Valdés of Teocaltiche

Pedro de Valdés and Leonor Tejada married on 2 January 1637 in Teocaltiche. Their known children include:

• Juana de Valdés, b. c1640; confirmed in 1648 in Teocaltiche
• Pedro de Valdés, b. 1641 in Teocaltiche
• Basilio de Valdés, b. c1657; confirmed in 1666 in Teocaltiche; married Catarina de Anda Altamirano
  • Magdalena de Valdés, b. 1676 in Teocaltiche; Española; married José Carrillo, Español, before 1695 in Teocaltiche

Basilio de Valdés and Catarina de Anda Altamirano have one known child, Magdalena Valdés, who married José Carrillo of Teocaltiche.

Basilio de Valdés and Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba

A Basilio de Valdés also appears later as the husband of Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba.

Inés was born in 1661 and married her first husband, Juan Gutiérrez, in 1676. She subsequently married Basilio de Valdés, apparently around 1686, after she is widowed.

They had at least six known children:

• Luis Valdés, b. c1686 d. before 1760, Español; married Ana López de Lara in 1705 in Lagos
• Cristóbal Valdés, b. 1689 in Lagos, Español
• Juan de Dios Valdés, b. 1691 in Lagos, Español
• Nicolasa de Valdés, b. c1692, Española
• Inés Valdés, 1696–1735, Española
• Basilio Valdés, b. 1698 in Lagos, Español

At the baptism of their youngest son, Basilio, in 1698, the record states:

“Fue su padrino José Carrillo, español y vecino de Teocaltiche.”

This José Carrillo is the same José Carrillo who married Magdalena de Valdés, daughter of Basilio de Valdés and Catarina de Anda Altamirano.

Basilio de Valdés (b. c. 1657)
├── 1st wife: Catarina de Anda Altamirano
│ └── Magdalena de Valdés (b. 1676)
│ └── married José Carrillo
│
└── 2nd wife: Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba (b. 1661)
└── Basilio de Valdés (b. 1698)
└── padrino: José Carrillo

In my view, the 1698 baptismal record is particularly important because it provides a concrete connection between José Carrillo and the two family groups.

Then, after the death of José Carrillo, Magdalena Valdés marries a second time on 18 Aug 1707 in Santa María de los Lagos, to Juan Pérez de Ornelas, the younger half-brother of her step-mother, Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba. 

Yes — this additional marriage makes the case substantially stronger. The 1707 marriage creates another direct connection between the two family groups: Magdalena, daughter of Basilio and Catarina, later marries Juan Pérez de Ornelas, who is the half-brother of Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba, Basilio's second wife.

Taken together, the matching ages, chronology, locations, marriages and repeated family connections make it highly likely that the two Basilio de Valdés were the same man. The evidence points to one Basilio who married first Catarina de Anda Altamirano and later Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba, with the two families remaining closely connected throughout the following decades.

While doing text searches on FamilySearch, I discovered an interesting collection of documents concerning the relationship between Sebastián Pérez, Lázaro Ramos, and Juana Sánchez:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW95-88 (images 140–178)

The documents span the years 1709–1711 and center on the marriage of Lázaro Ramos and Juana Sánchez and the couple's relationship with Sebastián Pérez. Lázaro claimed to be the maternal half-brother of Sebastián Pérez—who was Juana's uncle by marriage as well as the father of her two children, Mateo and Magdalena.

I have read both the transcriptions and the original documents, but AI transcriptions are sloppy and the early 18th-century handwritten Spanish is challenging for me. I am struggling to fully understand the testimony.

The evidence presented in these testimonies is mostly hearsay and seems to be ambiguous.

Has anyone else studied this particular group of records? More specifically, does the testimony ultimately support the conclusion that Sebastián Pérez and Lázaro Ramos were in fact maternal half-brothers? My own reading leaves me thinking they probably were not, or am I missing something?

For those unfamiliar with the individuals involved, here are the principal figures mentioned in the proceedings. Nearly all were current or former residents of the Hacienda de San José de la Mololoa.

• Sebastián Pérez (Español), born about 1652; husband of Josefa de Castañeda alias Sánchez; son of Sebastián Pérez and Leonor de Robalcava.
• Josefa de Castañeda alias Sánchez (Española); wife of Sebastián Pérez; sister of the late Teresa Sánchez.
• Juana Sánchez (Española); daughter of the late Teresa Sánchez; niece of Josefa de Castañeda alias Sánchez; later wife of Lázaro Ramos; raised in the household of Sebastián Pérez and Josefa Sánchez "as if their daughter."
• Mateo Pérez and Magdalena Pérez; children of Juana Sánchez and Sebastián Pérez, resulting from what the documents describe as a five-year relationship.
• Lázaro Ramos, alias Lázaro Piedra (Español), born about 1654; later husband of Juana Sánchez; claims to be the maternal half-brother of Sebastián Pérez.
• Leonor de Robalcava; mother of Sebastián Pérez, Diego Pérez, Juan Pérez, and Inés Pérez by her first marriage; also alleged in the testimony to be the mother of Lázaro Ramos.
• Diego Pérez, born about 1670; brother of Sebastián Pérez; son of Sebastián Pérez and Leonor de Robalcava.
• Cristóbal Ortiz; son-in-law of Diego Pérez.
• Juan Pérez; brother of Sebastián Pérez; son of Sebastián Pérez and Leonor de Robalcava.
• Inés Pérez (Española); wife of Basilio de Valdés (Español); sister of Sebastián Pérez and daughter of Sebastián Pérez and Leonor de Robalcava.
• Juan Pérez de Ornelas; second husband of Leonor de Robalcava.
• "Don Diego" (deceased); identified in one testimony as the father of Lázaro Ramos.
• Diego Gómez; foster guardian of Lázaro Ramos from childhood; husband of Isabel Varrón; both residents of the Pueblo de Mitique and witnesses in the proceedings.
• Inés Gallardo; entrusted by court order with the custody and care of Juana Sánchez.
• María Magdalena de Aguirre (deceased); previous wife of Lázaro Ramos.
• Francisco de Aldana; Spanish resident of the parish of the Hacienda de San José, married to a niece of Sebastián Pérez.
• Nicolás Preciado; raised in the household of Leonor de Robalcava and acquainted with Sebastián Pérez from childhood.

For context, I am not descended from either Sebastián Pérez or Lázaro Ramos. Our line descends from the elder Sebastián Pérez and Leonor de Robalcava through their other children. My interest is simply in understanding the truth behind these allegations after spending so much time reading through all the documents two and a half times.

Thank you,

Travis

Hello Everyone,

My name is Norma  (Username: Normrivmat), and I am very grateful to be accepted into the Nuestros Ranchos community. My research focuses heavily on the border regions of eastern Aguascalientes and southeastern Zacatecas, specifically around Real de Asientos, Ojo Caliente, and Bimbaletes.

My Fully Documented Lineage:

• Grandmother: M. Leonor Rosales Saldívar (b. May 14, 1908, Real de Asientos, AGS).Her birthday is also known as April 11, 1908 She married J. Rafael Dueñas Valadez on February 9, 1928, at Las Norias de Guadalupe, Bimbaletes, ZAC.
• Great-Grandparents: Susano Rosales & Ambrosia Saldívar. I have verified their parentage via their March 16, 1895, Marriage Investigation file from Ojo Caliente, ZAC.
• Great-Great-Grandparents: Genaro Rosales & Dionisia Vázquez. Genaro passed away on April 6, 1906, in Real de Asientos, AGS (calculated birth year ~1846).

What I Am Searching For & Why:

My primary brick wall is finding the parentage of my great-great-grandfather, Genaro Rosales (b. ~1846). His 1906 civil death certificate unfortunately omitted his parents' names, and his 1895 son's marriage investigation only names him as a surviving parent, not going back another generation.

I am actively searching for Genaro Rosales’s own marriage record to Dionisia Vázquez (likely between 1865–1876) or his baptism record around 1846.

The Reason for Precision:

There is a strong family oral tradition suggesting our Rosales branch is related to the family of Saint Román Adame Rosales (b. 1859, Teocaltiche, Jalisco). Some online public family trees assert that Genaro was a sibling to the Saint's mother, Manuela Rosales, meaning his parents would be Martín Rosales and Juana Antonia Gutiérrez. However, I want to keep my tree strictly verified and do not want to merge these lines without primary source verification.

If anyone has indexed or browsed the parish books for Asientos, Pinos, Ojo Caliente, or neighboring areas from the 1840s–1870s and has run across this Rosales-Vázquez branch, I would be incredibly grateful for any guidance, microfilm roll suggestions, or record lookups.

Thank you all for your time and for welcoming me to the group!

Best regards,

Norma Rivera-Matheson

Greetings, does anybody here know who were the parents of Captain Tomás Ortiz de Ayala? He was "Justicia mayor de los valles de Tlazazalca y Guaniqueo" and founder of the Ortiz de Ayala family one of the most important families in mexican history. 

I've been researching the Ortiz de Ayala lineage for a long time and this is one of the few questions that I still have left. I haven't found any mentions of Tomas's parents anywhere, but I have some clues as to who his parents might have been: 

1. One of his children, Agustín, used "López de Ayala" as his last name instead of Ortiz or Ayala as most of his siblings did. 

2. He had a son named Juan Pedro who perhaps was his second born male son, this one had a son named Pedro and his grandson had the same name too, these didn't use the "Ortiz" surname only the "Ayala" so they would be referred to in documents as "Pedro de Ayala/Allala".

Another clue is the two names of the just mentioned "Juan Pedro", I had read here about a family that resided in the XVI century in Zacatecas and Colima which were the "Ortiz de San Pedro" and "López de Ayala" (which if we combine the easiest to write parts of each's last name it would give us Ortiz de Ayala), I thought particularly about Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro son of Juan Ortiz de San Pedro and Catalina López de Ayala (who perhaps was a daughter of Pedro López de Ayala and Teresa de Recalde), if we assume that Tomás was a child of Pedro Ortiz (due to Tomás probably being born around the c. 1570s-1580s since he had his first recorded daughter in 1595),  it would make sense that he would name his first born son like himself "Tomás" and the second one like his grandfather "Juan" and his father "Pedro" giving us Juan Pedro, unfortunately for what I read, only a daughter of Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro's marriage with a woman named "Maria Esquivel" is known, Cecilia Ortiz, but I find these two to be very likely candidates for his parentage, but still, who knows. If anyone has any useful information feel free to share, thanks!

Here are the links to the mentions of the Ortiz de San Pedro and López de Ayala in this forum:

https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/24476

https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24368

Here's the mention of the parents of Catalina López de Ayala's possible sister:

https://nuestrosranchos.org/node/23654

While doing research for my upcoming book on the Marquisate of Pánuco, title of my ancestors, I stumbled upon an interesting primary-source entry in the Viceregal Correspondence (Correspondencia de Virreyes, Mexico, 1778) detailing the 1777 "Cargo de Lanzas" for New Spain.

For context, the Cargo de Lanzas (or Servicio de Lanzas) was a direct tax on titled nobility. It originated as an old medieval duty where nobles had to supply armed knights (lances) to the Crown during wartime. In 1631, King Philip IV monetized this military obligation into an annual tax, requiring titled families to pay a set fee to the Real Hacienda to legally maintain their status. By 1773, nobles in the Americas could either pay the annual fee or permanently redeem the tax with a single lump-sum payment.

What makes this specific 1777 record interesting is seeing the roster of New Spain’s top and wealthiest mining magnates and aristocratic estates listed side-by-side settling their accounts with the Royal Treasury (although the Count of Regla and the Marquis of San Clemente are missing, probably because they made the lump-sum payment):

• Marqués de Pánuco (Francisco Xavier de Vizcarra, my 7th grandfather, granted the title in 1772)
• Marqués del Villar del Águila
• Conde de Casa Loja
• Marqués de San Juan de Rayas
• Estado del Marqués del Valle de Oaxaca (the Hernán Cortés estate)
• Conde de la Torre de Cosío
• Marqués de San Miguel de Aguayo
• Conde de Santiago de Calimaya
• Conde del Valle de Orizaba
• Conde de Castelo
• Marqués de Villa Hermosa de Alfaro
• Marqués del Valle Ameno

It’s an interesting bit of history of fiscal administration and a look at who made up the elite of late 18th-century New Spain nobility.

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Best regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

I would like to share this, for the sake of keeping the memory of the ancestors alive. 

The empress Charlotte of Belgium had the kindness to appoint my fifth great-grandmother, María Rojas de López Portillo (wife of Jesús López Portillo y Serrano, state councilor to Emperor Maximilian and his imperial prefect, Governor of Jalisco), as one of her four ladies-in-waiting, alongside the following ladies:

• Rafaela Pérez-Palacios de Elguero (wife of Hilario de Elguero y Guisasola)
• Matilde (Romero de) Terreros de Cervantes (wife of Miguel de Cervantes y Estanillo)
• Refugio Pradel de Adalid (wife of Joaquín de Adalid y Sánchez de Tagle)

The notice was published in "El Diario del Imperio" No. 380 on April 6, 1866, two years after Doña Carlota was crowned Empress of Mexico.

The empress proposed several reforms and outlined various plans to improve the region she governed and the lives of those within it. The titles of ladies-in-waiting were not merely honorary; they also carried out various duties as representatives of the empress.

On June 25, 1866, she wrote the following letter to my fifth great-grandmother:

"My dear Mrs. de López Portillo,

I have received your three interesting letters and the attached statements, sincerely thanking you for the news you provide and your diligence in carrying out my instructions, as well as the kind wishes you offer for my birthday.

I have had all the proposals for improvements transcribed and forwarded to the ministries so they may report on the outcome, and I have just received Mr. Lacunza's response, which I enclose herewith.

As for the schools, I see from the Guadalajara information that the city council is redirecting public instruction funds toward other purposes; I believe it would be very helpful if you could convince your husband to have the taxes collected on their behalf applied directly to them, according to the aforementioned table.

Please accept the assurance of the true esteem of

Yours affectionately."

Regardless of the opinions surrounding the empress, there is ample documentation of the good deeds she wished to implement for her ill-fated empire.

One more memory of this appointment remains. In the entryway of the home of my uncle, Guillermo Tovar de Teresa (now the Museo Soumaya Casa Guillermo Tovar de Teresa), there was a porcelain Virgin of Guadalupe sent by the emperors to María Rojas and Jesús López Portillo to mark the happy occasion. That figure of the Virgin still sits in the exact same spot for anyone who wishes to visit the museum.

Warm regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

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Greetings, I've been looking for info and relationship with the Villaseñor of "Leonor Chávez Corona/Corona de Villaseñor" wife of Diego Ruiz de Cortés and mother of Andrés Ruiz de Chávez (founder of the Ruiz de Chávez lineage), Juan Ortiz Cortés (ancestor of Miguel Hidalgo and Morelos) and many others. Her grandchildren and later descendants regularly used the last name "Villaseñor" and "Corona" without having any other possible descent from those families other than through her. The use of Corona and Villaseñor together was first seen with the marriage of Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes (first male son of Juan de Villaseñor Orozco) and Catalina Corona. They had children in the decade of 1560s/1570s meaning that in order for Leonor to be a descendant of this marriage she'd have to be at best a granddaughter of these two (since she began to have children by c. 1600) but I have no knowledge of any children of theirs marrying someone with the last name "Chávez". If someone knows anything that could be useful for this research feel free to share. Regards. 

We discovered my dad has some Basque DNA through a DNA test.  I was able to research his family line to Martin Navarro de Gabay who was from Pamplona, Navarre, Spain, which I believe is Basque country. I know he married Petronilla de Moctezuma, but not much else.  Why did he travel to New Spain? What did he do in Mexico once he settled there. Where did he settle? How did he hook up with Petronilla?  I know we may never know the answers to all these questions, but if anyone has any information about him, I would be most interested.  Thank you.

Victoria Hernandez Lopez

Good day.

I would like to share a summary of the findings Jorge Barba Gómez and I addressed recently regarding Captain Diego Romo de Vivar (see Facebook).

In 2024, we discovered that the parentage attributed to Captain Diego Romo de Vivar for decades was incorrect. A baptismal record from Rielves, dated March 12, 1589, had been erroneously linked to him due to a paleographic error. That record actually identifies a Diego, son of Diego Alonso (written as "Diego Aº") and Catalina Pérez, not Diego Romo. This distinction is further confirmed by the file INQUISICION,1222,Exp.12.

Our latest research confirms that the Captain, while a resident of San Felipe, Guanajuato, the home of his wife’s family, the Rangel Peguero, had a brother named Alonso de la Fuente in 1630 (see Siglo XVIII Asuntos Varios: Morelia. Registros varios 1630). We have verified that he was indeed his brother, not his brother-in-law.

Furthermore, researcher Manny Diez shared a finding indicating that an Alonso de la Fuente, also a resident of San Luis Potosí, was a native of Torrijos. Given that Torrijos is only a few kilometers from Rielves and Fuensalida, this aligns geographically with where the Romo, Rincón, and Vivar surnames are concentrated.

In these surrounding villages, we also find the Fuentes de Fuensalida family (potentially "de la Fuente") intermarried with the Rincón, Romo, and Vivar lines For instance, Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón, was the son of Pedro Rico and María Romo (PARES | Archivos Españoles). These families claimed kinship with one another in Nueva Galicia, forming a complex family network that spanned several towns, including Fuensalida, Rielves, Torrijos, Escalonilla, Quismondo, Borox and Maqueda.

These findings also highlight the importance of reviewing the link between this family and Captain Diego de la Fuente Rincón of San Luis Potosí, who was married to Teresa Pérez de Bocanegra y Arizmendi Gogorrón.

Best regards,

Erik Reynoso.

I was hoping that someone with more experience in early 1800s marriage log translation could help me out with some terminology/abbreviation.

In the margin of the church log it states the name of the couple to be married, followed by the abbreviation "esp." in lower case cursive. What does that mean?

Also in the body of the text it reads "Para el matrimonio... (then it looks like a lower case q with a lower case e or l above it) the next word looks like conmq (& again the lower case q has what looks to be an n above it.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.
Monica

Hola a todos los genealogistas:

En mis búsquedas encontré que desciendo de Nicolás de Murguía y de María Infante de Villegas, quienes fueron padres en Santa María de Los Lagos de:

1688 María
1689 Joseph
1692 Cecilia
1697 Antonio

La ascendencia de María Infante (N. 1663) ya ha sido estudiada, pero en el caso de Nicolás de Murguía no he encontrado a sus padres. Varias genealogías le atribuyen el año de 1628 como año de nacimiento sin citar ninguna fuente.

Por mi parte encontré que varias familias relacionadas tanto con los Díaz Infante como con los Villaseñor, entre ellos los Murguía y los Velasco estuvieron en Tamazula de Gordiano en el S.XVII . Encontré en Familysearch a un Nicolás de Munguía, hijo de Hernando de Munguía e Isabel de Velasco bautizado en Tamazula el día 7 de junio de 1655 Batch C603751.

Así mismo se bautizaron en Tamazula en 1678 Rosalía y Catalina y en 1688 Antonia, hijas de Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Munguía.

¿Serán éstos Munguía ascendientes de Nicolás de Murguía? ¿Existió un cambio en la ortografía?

Por otra parte en éste mismo foro se ha mencionado a una familia Murguía de Zacatecas, relacionados con la familia de los Reyes.

Reciban todos saludos y mis mejores deseos para que tengan unos días de paz y alegría.

Marcelina

Hello everyone,

I am looking for information on Apolonio Romero and Maria Jesus Sanchez, they last lived in or around el rancho de Santa Isabel, La Cuartilla, Santa Teresa or Jabonera near Jalp, Zacatecas. I was able to find Maria Jesus Sanchez death record in Jalpa, Zacatecas and it showed that her parents were Timoteo Sanchez and Manuela Delgadillo but I can't find anything past that.

For Apolonio Romero I can not find anything. they had at least 9 kids that I can find but not birth or baptism records anywhere for them.
Kids are as follow:

Ricardo Romero Married to Maria Nieves Aguayo
Gregorio Romero Married to Abelina Duran
Tranquilino Romero Married to Ancelma Peredia
Elpidio Romero Married to Gabina Ramos
Maria Romero Married to Jose Refugio Padilla
Priscilliano Romero Married to Refugio Carrilo and Josefa Ramirez (married twice)
Antonio Romero Married to Santiago Perez
Ramon Romero Married to Benigna Aguayo
Librada Romero Married to Mariano Pulido

Please if you have any information please contact me FamilyRomerotx@gmail.com
Thank you
Becky

In search of any Jauregui descendants that  originated in Nochistlan then carried over to Mexticacan & Cañadas Jalisco.  Ancestor Nicolas de Jauregui, from Los Yugos Cañadas, born around 1790, is who we are researching.  Married 1st wife, Petra Gomez. 2nd wife, Juana Yniguez. Searching for  maternal & paternal records for Nicolas Jauregui as his mother was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. He must have taken his mother's surname. 

Looking for information about María Crestina Macías Valadés (Española), usually spelled Masias Balades, AKA Ximénes AKA Péres.

She was probably born in Aguascalientes about, or before, 1733 (guess based upon her children's dates of birth). She married José Santiago Rodríguez sometime before 1748.

She was mostly referred to as "Crestina Macias" but her surname was given in various records as "Masias Balades," "Peres" and "Ximénes." 

I cannot find a baptism record for her, so I've been looking through the Macías Valadés family to find marriages with anyone with the surnames Jiménez or Pérez without much luck. 

Any suggestions or info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Travis