Buenas tardes, recién encontré un acta de bautismo en la que se dan los nombres de los padres, al parecer Nicolás Navarro de Alcocer fue hijo de Pedro Navarro y María Cabrera, en el caso de Josefa Hurtado, señala que sus padres fueron Luis Herrera(?) y Juana Hurtado de Mendoza. No he encontrado información de Luis y Juana pero apenas estoy empezando a investigar.

Fuente: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TZ-X?lang=es&i=400

Saludos.

Buenas tardes, recién encontré un acta de bautismo en la que se dan los nombres de los padres, al parecer Nicolás Navarro de Alcocer fue hijo de Pedro Navarro y María Cabrera, en el caso de Josefa Hurtado, señala que sus padres fueron Luis Herrera(?) y Juana Hurtado de Mendoza. No he encontrado información de Luis y Juana pero apenas estoy empezando a investigar.

Fuente: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TZ-X?lang=es&i=400

Saludos.

Ya tentastes consultar el casamiento de Nicolás Navarro y Josefa Hurtado de Mendoza? Fueron casados el 20 de junio de 1675 en Ocotlán.
Daniel

Este ramo de los Hurtado de Mendoza de Ocotlán descienden de D. Nicolás González de Mendoza quien fué bautizado el 16 de febrero de 1636 en Ocotlán hijo legítimo de Juan González Florida y Juana Hurtado de Mendoza, postoriormente usó el apellido González de Mendoza. Era nieto de Pedro Núñez de Sotomayor y Ana Hurtado de Mendoza. Esta familia tuvó sucesión en Michoacán (Zamora y Morelia) y en Guadalajara. Dicho Nicolás falleció el 15 de julio de 1693 en Ocotlán y casó el 20 de abril de 1669 en la misma ciudad. Creio que por aquí deves investigar. Se fuese Hurtado de Mendoza estaríamos en la dirección correcta. Puede ser que sea hermana de Nicolás González de Mendoza, ya que era custumbre usar el apellido de la madre en cierto casos. Ahora, en relación con el hipótesis que Nicolás Navarro y Gaytán sea el mismo, es possible. Hasta ahora no he encontrado ningún acta de defunción ni casamento. Tendríamos que localizarlo. Sé que Nicolás Navarro Gaytán y Cabrera fue bautizado el 24 de febrero de 1632 en la ciudad ya menecionada. Espero que estas informaciones sean útiles.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y CaminoSão Paulo - SP - Brasil

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8BQ-DY4

I looked around saw this...  

I suspect that "Santos" and "Santiago" are the same person.  You will note that many Mexican documents use alterations and nicknames for the original name.  Preponderance of information indicates that for the children being born and married that mention these names is the he is one and the same. 

Through my research.  I believe, Captain Pedro de Anda was my 10th great-grandfather.  

Cap, Pedro De Anda es mi noveno bisabuelo. Segun la informacion que he encontrado sus padres fueron Pedro De Anda y Isabela Altamirano. Pero no he visto bautizo que confirme esta informacion.
El Rey Felipe II de Espana por medio de la Real Audencia de Nueva Galicia ortogo el 27 de agosto de 1565 al matrimonio de espanoles formado por el capitan Pedro de Anda y su mujer Beatriz de Casaneda, para fundar la hacienda del Xaral junto a la Mesa redonda al poniente de Santa Maria de los Lagos, para la cria de ganado major de 1,756 hectareas mas dos caballerias de tierra con 42.8 hectareas cada una.
Juan Anda Altamirano hijo de Pedro es mi octavo bisabuelo.

Aurora (De Anda) Romo. Mis padres nacieron en Aguascalientes.

Valladolid, 1689.
20. Información matrimonial formada a solicitud de Diego de Anaya y Andrea de Avalos, vecinos de esta ciudad. Ante el Lic. Álvaro de Contreras y Garnica.
Ubicación: Rollo 3/078, Alguien ha visto este registro? Gracias

Otro dato importante es de que Alonso de Arias Maldonado tuvo por lo menos una hermana, Jacinta de Guzman Maldonado. Esta Jacinta fue casada con Jorge Manrriquez de Lara quienes fueron vecinos de Irapuato, GTO. Sabemos esto por el testimonio que dio su nieto (el Br. Antonio Arias Maldonado) en donde menciona que el Lic. Jose Manrriquez Maldonado es primo de su padre:
...Licdo D. Joseph Manrriquez Maldonado primo lto. de dho mi Pe...

Aqui les paso informacion en donde el Lic. Jose Manrriquez Maldonado menciona a sus padres:

Informacion del Lic. Jose Manrriquez Maldonado

Asi que si combinamos esta informacion del Lic. Jose Manrriquez Maldonado con la del Lic. Antonio Arias Maldonado tenemos lo siguiente:

(Hermanos) Alonso Arias Maldonado <-------> Jacinta de Guzman Maldonado
(Primos) Alonso Arias Maldonado <-------> Lic. Jose Manrriquez Maldonado
(Nietos) Br. Antonio Arias Maldonado

Saludos Cordiales,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Interesante. Gracias por compartir. Estoy buscando a Alonso Arias Maldonado quien vivió entre 1590 y 1680. Hasta ahora no he encontrado muchos rastros de él aunque sus hijos fueron bautizados en Tlazazalca. Saludos!

Manny,

Thank you for sharing!

The 1649 padrón also contains assorted maps on the last few images. My guess is that they are from the 1980s.

• Imagen 26 - Mapa del Sistema La Zurda-Calderón, un proyecto de abastecimiento de agua para la Zona Metropolitana de Guadalajara (después de 1980)
• Imagen 27 - Mapa de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco (sin fecha)
• Imagen 28 - Índice del mapa de Jalostotitlán (sin fecha)
• Imagen 29 - Mapa del municipio de San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco (sin fecha)
• Imagen 30 - Mapa de Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, (sin fecha)
• Imagen 31- Mapa de San Miguel el Alto (sin fecha)

Padrones adicionales de Jalostotitlán:

• 1650 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W92C
• 1670 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9K2
• 1672 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9JY
• 1673 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9MR
• 1679 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9N3
• 1770 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W1W
• 1817 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7519
• 1819 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7RZK
• 1824 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7R43
• 1831 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-75FQ
• 1833 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7R9V
• 1846 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7RFG
• 1885 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-75VH
• Varios años - Padrones de la parroquia de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción

I’ve been researching the Rosas of Valladolid>Guadalajara for about a dozen years. I descend from Nicolas de Rosas & Isabel de Guzman, through their son Carlos de Rosas. And while Nicolas and Isabel did baptize a son named Domingo in 1668, I’ve been unable to determine whether he is the same who married Juana Berrinches Ramirez. The last record I have of Domingo de Rosas Guzman is when he and his sister Isabel were godparents for a cousin’s child on 9 Apr 1697 in Ocotlan. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5R4-3?i=417&wc=3J6F-7…

He is probably the same person - if not, then your Domingo de Rosas might be the son of Nicolas’ brother, Juan de Rosas, who married Juana de la Mora Zamora on 27 Aug 1656 in Ocotlan: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G55W-J?i=151&wc=3J6F-7…
Though I have no record of them having a son named Domingo, it’s possible.

Good luck, let us know if you find anything.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

I found this interesting info for a Bernardino with similar name..... seems to me he married his first cousin looking at the tree.  Not sure if it was what you were looking for but quite interesting with common names.

Marriage was like 1835 so the years are off but it seemed like you were relying on memory for the 1700-1750 date range anyway.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684K-RTCB?lang=en

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/M2ZB-578

Sorry I cannot help. I usually input all dispensas on my tree and I am interested in those surnames so I would have done it if I had found it. I didn't find those brothers on my tree.

Any more info? The dispensa specifically said both Bernadino's were brothers?

Miguel,

I also noticed you were looking for info out of the book: Los Torres de Jaén en México:
raíces, tronco y ramas de una estirpe milenaria
Gonzalo Torres Martínez
Editorial Jus, 1975 - Jaén (Spain) - 764 pages

Welcome to the club. I am also interested in the sources that this book may list.

The closest hard copy of the book for me is in the large LDS genealogy library in Salt Lake
City, Utah. There may be another library closer to you, as I live in Arizona.

I too am interested in this book, as it is my only source reference to the marriage date of
Bernabe Felipe de Torres and Ana "Anna" Zermeno. The book states they were married on 1 May
1739 in Lagos de Moreno.  I have yet to find this in typical online Lagos and surrounding
parish records. I do believe the date of the marriage is correct, because I do have the 1739
marriage informacion record via the Arquidiocesis de Morelia at the following link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BKYL-M?cc=1883388

I am currently using the 1 May 1739 date of marriage, but would like to find the source info.
The last date in the marriage information record is 2 April 1739, which is in the range for a 
1 May 1739 marriage, after the Arquidiocesis approved the marriage.

Also, I am not sure that Lagos was the marriage location, as the document is drafted out of
Leon, Guanajuato, but the document also states that that Ana Zermeno was from Lagos de Moreno,
and Bernabe Felipe Torres was from Jaen, Spain, but he resided in Leon.  

They very well could have been married in either location.  The source is likely from another
Lagos record, such as a will, inquistion, notary, or land record.

Lee

Hi Miguel,
Welcome to the Nuestros Ranchos site!.  I am one of 6 co-admins for the site, helping maintain the site "behind the scenes". This allows the great
folks that have ran this site for the last 20 years to operate the site. I really have not posted much on this site, since most of the relations of the
family of my wife are North of Jalisco, with the exception of some older Renteria and Reynoso families who I have researched over the years.
Several years ago my grand-son married into the Zermeno family, and hence my interest in this thread with your Merced Gonzales and Blas
Soto (mayor). The connection is distant, with the common ancestor being Antonio Tadeo Zermeno, baptized 25 Novemeber 1722 in Lagos. 
Ysidro Gonzales de Hermosillo married Maria Gertrudis Zermeno on 13 January 1766 in Lagos.  I have not researched this portion the family
much at all, since the connection is very distant, but Jose Rafael Gonzales de Hermosillo was one of their children, baptized in Lagos on
24 Sep 1776.  Rafael Gonzales Zermeno married Maria San Josefa Peres Prido on 6 February 1805 in Lagos.  

The 1805 marriage dispensation:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-893M-WXRL?cc=1937239
Registros matrimoniales diocesanos 1804 Caja 138
image 1252 of 1530
Late 1804 Marriage dispensation for Jose Rafael Gonsales (Gonsales Hermosillo Zermeno) and Maria San Josefa Peres (Peres Prido)
Rafael Gonsales is listed as originally from the Puesto of Agostadero (in San Juan de los Lagos?), but a resident of Lagos de Moreno.
Listed as the son of Ysidro Gonsales and Maria Gertrudis Zermeno.  His age in 1804 was listed as 27 years old (placing birth year
circa 1777).
Maria Josefa Peres is listed as originally of Lagos de Moreno.  Listed as the daughter of Jose Nicolas Peres (deceased) and Maria
de los Dolores Prido (living). Her age in 1804 was listed as 15 years old (placing birth year circa 1790)
The bride/groom were distantly related through the Zermeno family as follows:
Antonio Zermeno and Ana Zermeno were brother/sister
Antonio Zermeno was the father of Maria Gertrudis Zermeno, who was the mother of Rafael Gonsalez (groom)
Ana Zermeno was the mother of Ygnacia Torres, who was the mother of Dolores Prido, who was the mother of Maria San
Jose(fa) Peres (bride)

The 1839 Leon, Guanajuato marriage of Blas Soto (Mayor) and Merced Gonzales likely occurred about a month after the Information
Marriage was reviewed by the Arquidiócesis in Morelia, which appears to be approved at the end of the document, which is
dated 7 September 1839.  Not always, but normally marriages follow about 30 days afterward.  The Information Matrimonial document:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TF-VGNQ?cc=1883388
Morelia > Arquidiócesis de Morelia
Information matrimonial 1839
image 484 of 3359
The information of intent to marry was listed on 30 August 1839.
The main info:
Blas Soto was listed as 22 years of age in 1839, and noted as the son of Rafael Soto and Mateana Sardeneta.
Maria de la Merced Gonzales was listed as 26 years of age in 1839, and noted as the daughter of Rafael Gonzales and Josefa Perez
Prido (Josefa and Rafael both noted as deceased).
Also of interest was that both Blas and Merced could write well, and both signed this document.

Again,  Welcome to this site.

Lee
 

Hi Miguel,

I took a look and if I understand right the issue is you know Maria Merced Gonzalez and Blas Soto are your ancestors but you cannot determine with certainty who Maria Merced's parents are.

If that's the case, I see the tough spot. She died in 1860, prior to civil registration, and the death record does not list her parents.

I would try to locate her marriage record. Have you collected baptismal records for the couples children? 

Alex

have you seen this tree?  Lots of records with sources.  Also, Blas Soto uses the name Blas Sotomayor and Blas Soto Mayor.....   

  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G3H5-NPL

I know you asked a long time ago but anyway.....

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L88D-JZ2

Andelmo Perez
You may want to check the church records of Amatlan de Jora, Nayarit. I've seen many entries with people from huejuquilla el alto. Sometimes just Huejuquilla. I'm right now in the 1800-1837 book. I haven't delved into the early ones. You may want to check La Yesca too.

Cheers,
AP

Thank you Don and Manny! After many years of research it's not often I that find new ancestors. But with this information I have added ten ancestors spanning 4 generations going back to Martín de Rifarache and Sábina de Esquivel. So grateful for your research and generosity!

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

According to testimonies, Ana de Herrera was daughter of Juan de Alanis cc Francisca de Herrera (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-FBL), and granddaughter of Cap Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, though it doesn’t say who these two were the parents of - Juan de Alanis or Francisca de Herrera? I’ve never seen “Alanis” among the immediate descendants of Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, but I have seen “Herrera”: their son, Hernan Vasquez de Buendia was married to Ana (or Juana) de Herrera, who was daughter of Benito de Herrera and Doña Francisca de Rifarache (daughter of conquistador Martin Rifarache cc Sabina Esquivel, and whose second husband was Cristobal Ordoñez). From the timeline, this would make more sense. And then I notice that, on image 523, witness Francisco Flores de la Torre says “los bisabuelos maternos fueron vecinos de la siudad de guadalaxa y se llamaron hernan basques y doña ana de errera y el capitan dio basques de buendia y da jua belasques” - which looks like he’s naming both pairs of maternal great-grandparents, but I think he’s mistaken, and he’s naming the visabuelos AND tatarabuelos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6F99-H?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KN6H-K1Q

If you follow that tree backward you find yourself here:

ferando eanes de ornelas nacido en ~1200.... looks like these folks were from Amares, Braga, Portugal..... that is if it is the correct individual but there is already a tree created.

IF that is correct then it just may have been created as a name for the place he was from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornelas_(Amares)

https://gw.geneanet.org/serch1992?lang=es&n=de+ornelas&p=fernando+eanes

Do you have this info?  I think these are the folks you are asking about.   If not you can find it here:  https://es.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=de+Ornelas+y+Perestre…Álvaro+&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10

 Alvaro de Ornelas Y Perestrello

• Nacido en 1561 - Canico, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal
• Fallecido en 1614 - Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México, a la edad de 53 años

 Padres

• Joao Álvaro d'Ornellas Y Vasconcellos 1540-
• Luzia Perestrello 1543-

 Casamiento(s) y/e  hijo(s)

• Casado el 29 de octubre de 1586, Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, con Isabel De Mendoza 1555- con
  • Manuel Ornelas Mendoza 1588-
  • Alonso de Ornelas y Mendoza 1590-
  • Maria de Ornelas de Mendoza 1595-1670
  • Rodrigo Ornelas de Mendoza 1597-1674
  • Alvaro Ornelas Mendoza 1598-
  • Leonor Ornelas Mendoza 1604-1679

 Hermanos

• Cezilia Ornellas
• Bonifácio Ornellas
• Joao Ornellas Moura †
• Alvaro de Ornelas Y Perestrello 1561-1614

Hola Roberto,

I already shared this information with you via texting, but I thought I’d also share it with the group.

The marriage and veiling records of Miguel Díaz Montanés and Josefa Díaz do not name their parents, though both ceremonies took place on Juan Montanés’ paraje de Los Ojuelos, and he was named as a witness of the veiling.

There are two dispensas that reveal that Josefa Díaz was the daughter of Isabel Marín de las Ruelas:

1. Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y Mayorga cc Juana Cayetana de Villalobos:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SD-QN?i=338&cc=18745…

They were at 4º con 3º grado consanguinidad, the relationship looking like this:

Tronco: Andrés Martín Barriga cc María de las Ruelas
Isabel Marín-1-Andrés Martín Camacho
Josefa Díaz-2-Andrés Martín
Ángela Díaz-3-Andrés Martín
Juana Cayetana Villalobos-4-

2. Nicolás Gómez García cc Catalina de Rubalcava: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X4NK-N?cc=1874591&wc=3…

They were at 3º con 4º grado consanguinidad. Unfortunately, it doesn’t explain the relationship, other than “the father of the groom was 1st-cousin of the grandmother of the bride,” but from other records, we know that the relationship looked like this:

Tronco: Andrés Martín Barriga cc María de las Ruelas
Agustina de las Ruelas-1-Isabel Marín de las Ruelas
Antonio Gómez García-2-Josefa Díaz
Nicolás Gómez García-3-Petra Díaz
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4-Catalina de Rubalcava

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

any new info on this book?

I have my ancestor as:

I. Juan Moscoso y Sandoval married to Catalina Cortez

a.Their daughter is Josefa de Moscoso y Sandoval m. to Juan Lozano.
1.Their daughter is Maria Lozano m. to Geronimo Carrillo.

My question is what number is my Catalina Cortez and who are her parents?
I am so confused I am sorry I had trouble following this tangle of Catalina Cortes names I II and III.

You are in a tough situation. A Spanish and indigenous parent can be very hard to find ancestors for. I would suggest building out the family tree as much as you can for Bartola and Pedro, then hope you can find a dispensa pertaining to their descendants. Hopefully it will run up Bartola's father's side and you can figure something out that way.

Hi, I'm interested in the Aguayo family mostly located in the Rancho Aguayo in Nochistlan. I have an Excel file of all the Aguayo records I can find... baptisms, marriages, burials. In it I find Regina Aguayo having children with Domingo Mejia: Juana Mejia Aguayo, 3 Mar 1630; and Ysavel Mejia Aguayo, 17 Aug 1692, born in Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

I am happy to send a copy of my excel file to anyone who is interested.

There also is a book, "Genealogia De Nochistlan Antigua Reino De Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales" that give the early history of many Nochistlan families. Chapters 22, 24, 56 and 57 discuss the Benevides families.

I'll try to attach to this a chart from the book showing the relationships discussed in your message. Fooey. That didn't work. If you'd like the copy, please send me an email. Ed Nissen

Ok I have been able to go to the documentation and I must say this stuff is very impressive!

Some comments and questions:

I agree that Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes had the four children you have compiled. I have no spouses confirmed for the four children. Can you provide insight as to how you have confirmed Isabel de Silva as the wife of Juan Benavides?

Re. Dispensa #1: It was weird the ascendancy of Maria Yanez was not discussed. Her father Juan was a sibling (maybe half sibling) of Jacinta de Oliva. How have you confirmed the ascendancy of Lucas Lomelin to Carlos Lomelin and Maria Benavides?

Re. Dispensa #3: How have you established that Joseph Lomelin is son of the same Domingo Lomelin wed to Juana de Mendoza?

Re. Dispensa #6: How did you confirm the parents of Francisca Duran. I have her parents being Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo but that is only because Los Altos de Jalisco by Sergio Gutierrez show Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo having a daughter named Francesca. I have not confirmed the Francesca Duran's are one and the same. I also do not said Regina Aguayo's parents at all.

Re. Dispensa #7: I just found it quite strange an IM was filed in 1687 with the marriage taking place in 1707. Looks like the parents of the individuals to be wed so looks good.

Re. Aguayo connection: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH59-V?mode=g&i=44&wc=3P9N…
Here is an IM for Regina Aguayo daughter of Andres Duran and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion being wed to Domingo Mejia. There is a witness names Diego de Aguayo age 90 in 1677 and it states that he is Regina's grandfather. Now that cant be right be. Any ideas pertaining to that? I have Andres Duran being the son of Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo. He couldnt be Bisabuelo either because you propose Juan Benavides. Is this actually Regina Aguayo the elder's brother, who is married to Isabel de Arizaga?

Super solid work. The Benavides Cortes riddle is soon to be quite concrete!

Its great that this has been reworked! I havent been able to sit down and review it yet but I'm very excited to do so!

Request from Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez (translated by Jaime)

Hello friends, for some time I've been trying to find certain wills for my genealogical research but I do not know where to find them. Maybe someone in the group could help me in this matter.

I would like to find the last will and testament of Francisco Gil, who died in 1720, witnessed by Don Baltazar de Aguilera. Also, I would like to know how and\or where would 'extra-judicial memoirs' would be archived, or whether they exist at all.

I am also interested on information of certain families from Aguascalientes, such as the ancestors of:

Simón Salas de Bonilla and Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano.
Sebastiana López de Estrada, wife of José Macías de Ortega.
Antonio Macías de Ortega and Rosa María de Quezada.
María de la Cruz, wife of Pedro Salas de Bonilla.
Francisco Gil and María Magdalena Gallardo.
Agustín Marín de Peñaloza and Jacinta de Villalobos.

I also descend from other well known families from Aguascalientes, such as Romo de Vivar, Lozano Isla, Macías Valadez, Marentes de Otaduy, López de Nava, Quiijas y Escalante, Tiscareño de Molina, Ruiz de Esparza, but these are well studied and my records are very complete all the way to their roots in Galicia, Spain.

I will be very grateful for any help, and I will make sure to reciprocate. My genealogical studies center in Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán and San Miguel el Alto, but also include ancestors in San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotlán, all in Jalisco; also some from Nochistlán and Jalpa, Zacatecas; others Aguascalientes; and a few in Michoacán.

Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Bill Figueroa" , "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:13:27 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Testamentaria de Aguascalientes de las Familias Gallardo, Gil, Macías de Ortega, Quezada, Salas de Bonilla, etc.

Hola amigos, desde hace tiempo quiero conseguir algunos testamentos para mi investigación genealógica y no se como conseguirlos, no se si ustedes me pueden proporcionar ayuda en este sentido.

Quiero conseguir el testamento de Francisco Gil, que murió en 1720 y que testó ante Don Baltazar de Aguilera. También quisiera saber donde y como conseguir memorias extrajudiciales, no se si existen todavía o no.

Quiero saber de algunas familias de Aguascalientes, como los ancestros de:

Simón Salas de Bonilla y Nicolasa de Anda Altamirano.
Sebastiana López de Estrada, mujer de José Macías de Ortega.
Antonio Macías de Ortega y Rosa María de Quezada.
María de la Cruz, mujer de Pedro Salas de Bonilla.
Francisco Gil y María Magdalena Gallardo.
Agustín Marín de Peñaloza y Jacinta de Villalobos.
También desciendo de otras familias de Aguascalientes, como los Romo de Vivar, Lozano Isla, Macías Valadez, Marentes de Otaduy, López de Nava, Quiijas y Escalante, Tiscareño de Molina, Ruiz de Esparza, pero son líneas que ya están muy estudiadas y ya las tengo completas hasta su tronco neogallego.

Si me pueden ayudar con algo se los agradeceré muchísimo, y veré en que puedo ayudarlos a ustedes. Mis estudios genealógicos se centran mas en Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán y San Miguel el Alto, aunque tengo ancestros en San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotlán, todos en Jalisco; y también alguno que otro en Nochistlán y Jalpa, Zacatecas; otros en Aguascalientes; y unos pocos en Michoacán.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hi I recently connected myself to Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and was wondering whether there was any new information. I see that there's a bishop and cardinal of the same name in Spaion during somewhat of the same time period named Baltasar Moscoso y Sandoval but nothing specific that connects our Moscoso y Sandoval to this family. Just wondering if there was any new info 

For whatever it's worth, just some of my thoughts on the topic.

Now if in general during that time it was common to name children after ancestors, and specifically in that area

1. Catalina Cortes has a few descendants named after her
2. and so does Magdalena de Lavezares
3. and so does Melchora de los Reyes

Then can't we look into to see if the same tradition exists in Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval's descendants to get clues about his ancestors?

What I see is his daughter 1. Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval (+ Diego Gonzalez) and other of his descendants named Cecilia that use Vasquez on at least an occasion. And since one of the Cecilias (+ Mateo Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba) is not a daughter of the 1st Cecilia I mentioned, but a niece then isn't it reasonably to assume that there should be a Cecilia Vasquez that Juan de Moscoso de Sandoval descends from?

And since there isn't a Leonor as a daughter or I don't even think a granddaughter, then doesn't it seem less likely that he descends from a Leonor de Sandoval y Rojas?

You are stuck where I think we are all stuck. I think that dropbox link is mine. I don't think there actually is any primary source expressly stating that Mateo is the father of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval. The only primary source with Mateo's name can be found in this thread

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24259?page=1

Sorry, wish I had more for you! I did just take a quick look in Sayula and looks like there may be Vasquez de Sandoval there in mid 1650s

Sr. Daniel buen día, 
Recientemente he encontrado este hilo de su parte, le contacto para saber si pudo conseguir el testamento/inventario de Don Diego patriarca de los Méndez de Torres, ya que para variar, yo también desciendo de él por medio de su hijo Pedro. 
Como sabrá y por lo que he visto en otros hilos, un descendiente de él, asegura en su información para el ingreso al Colegio de Abogados de México que don Diego era de Tavira, Faro en Portugal. También veo que usted comenta que su esposa María Gómez de Bedoya era originaria de León. 
Yo no he logrado encontrar información que corrobore estos puntos por lo que me gustaría saber si, en caso de haber conseguido dicho testamento/inventario, esta información es aclarada.
Saludos cordiales.

....since its free to use and to populate family trees there a a lot of folks that use it.... you may be able to see more info there.  Here is the page of your family tree.... there are a bunch of potential updates pending.....  and, yep, somebody has done a lot of populating:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MVYY-WZP

Many Askenkenazi only intermarried with other Ashkenazi, even after moving to Spain or Portugal. Rabbi Zacuto descendants intermarried often. that is how Simon Vaez was related to his wife. The extended family followed them to Mexico, and what is now New Mexico, and continued the endogamy. Mr Enriquez, the spouse of the lady that I met at the airport, descends from Ashkenazi that continued marrying Ashkenazi until only recently. That is the only way to explain his DNA results as his family has been in Mexico for centuries. I will get into contact with this Enriquez family and work on their genealogy.

Rabbi Abraham Ben Samuel Zacuto’s ancestry leads to France in the 1200’s just like the Sanchez Hernandez Arellano family
They weren’t Sephardic Jews, they were Ashkenazim.

R.A.Ricci

Miguel De Avalos y Villaseñor was married to Maria Gutierrez. I believe that Teresa Baez (aka Gutierrez) and Maria Gutierrez are the same person.

Miguel is the son of Isabel De Avalos y Sánchez (daughter of Maria Sanchez)

This family connects to the family in post: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24206?page=2

Rick A. Ricci

Enrique,

the dispensation doesnt really specify who the ancestors are, but the Baez and the de la Serna families are the same. I have several of them in my ancestry. My guess is that your Theresa Baez and Lorenza de la Serna are related to my Ignacio Baez aka de la Serna. they're probly all first cousins. Unfortunately, i dont know who is parents are, but his children all use the names Baez and de la Serna:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/B%C3%A1ez-15

There's a Simon Baez that died in Aguascalientes in 1659 who is old enough to be the father of any of these Baez and de la Serna's. Some people claim that he and his wife Maria de la Cerda are the origin of the Baez de la Serna, but I don't think people would confuse de la Cerda and de la Serna, they're not the same names at all.

Guadalajara, Jal. Abril 27 de 1716.- Dispensa de tercero grado igual de
consanguinidad. - Cayetano de Avalos, español de 17 años de edad, vecino de esta
Ciudad de Guadalajara y originario del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan,
hijo legítimo de Miguel de Avalos y de Theresa Báez; con Petrona Gutiérrez,
española de 18 años de edad, originaria de la Hacienda del Potrerillo feligresía
de Jocotepec. y vecina de esta ciudad, hija legítima de Bernardo Camacho y de
Lorenza de la Serna. Declaración del pretenso: Por ser la madre de la pretensa y
la mía primas hermanas, hijas de dos hermanos. Se otorgó la dispensa en la
Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 27 de abril de 1716. 12 fojas.

Hello Jorge Andres,

I am your very distant relative through our Ruiz de Esparza’s lines.  You can find many posts that I have made regarding our Esparza family in Nuestrosranchos.

You didn’t write much about your mother’s side of the family.  I did a little research using the few clues that you provided. 
Is this The death record of your maternal grandfather: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK5-WKG?view=index&action=view&cc=1923424     ?

Rick A Ricci

I'm researching some of my family lines in San Luis Potosí, particularly some ancestors that were born there between 1640 and 1700, and I've found a couple conformed by Joan Estevan de Caceres and Luisa Cavallero, whose daughter Joanna was baptized in the same city on Oct. 27, 1656. They are mentioned as Spaniard neighbors of San Luis Potosí. Maybe there are more relatives lost among these records. The link is above. Good luck with your research.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG25-B1X?i=80&cc=1860864 

Additional information that may help:

1.Juana, daughter of Cristóbal Lozano and doña María de Lara, was baptized in Aguascalientes on 26 May 1654. Her godparents were Jacinto Lozano and doña Ana de Lara. Source: "México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-TDZ?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 6 October 2022), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Bautismos 1616-1662 > image 200 of 334; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes). 

2. Tomás López and María de la Rosa Lozano, 'vecinos de Aguascalientes en el puesto de Juiquinaqui' required a marriage dispensation (7 Feb 1721, Aguascalientes) for the impediment of 'cuarto gardo de consanguinidad'. The relationship from the 'dispensa':

1^o grado: Jacinto Lozano hermano carnal de Cristóbal Lozano

2^o grado: Ana Lozano prima hermana de José Lozano

3^o grado: Tomás López casado con Juana de Soto primo segundo de Cristóbal Lozano casado con Juana Gómez

4^o grado: Tomás López, pretenso; María de la Rosa Lozano, pretensa

Source: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6X9R-D?cc=1874591&wc=3J49-… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1712-1721 > image 236 of 670; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

Saludos, Austin Pérez

I am not sure if you already have this information since it is not mentioned in your post, but this is probably information about his daughter and could help in narrowing down his approximate age.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH1B-G?i=23&wc=3P9N-6T…

Thank you Manny for sharing! 

Austin Pérez

Manny, did you catch the bit on 210 where it says Francisco Gonzalez ... de Benito de Ysla su suegro. I wasn't sure from the post. 

Thanks for sharing Manny, I've always wondered about the Juana Navarro that Jaime Holcombe mentioned!

I read the last name as “aramburun” and not Barburen (Cristobal de Aramburu m Andrea Gonzalez in 1730, #17 of 571).