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Hola primos y primas,

In my lines I have Diego Delgado and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano, married 22 Feb 1637 in Aguascalientes. She was daughter of Cristobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Islas. They’d live on Pendencia in Sierra de Pinos, I have them with four offspring:

1. Baltasar Delgado, m. Petronila Niño
2. Maria de Islas, m. Diego de Guzman y Rivera
3. Juan Delgado, m. Anna Gonzalez de Rubalcava
4. Francisco Delgado, m1. Petra Martin Chavez, m2. Juana Delgado y Valenzuela.

Diego Delgado died sometime before 1671, probably in Pinos, and Isabel de Islas Martinez Lozano died in Charcas, SLP, and was buried 16 Jul 1676. Her albaceas were her son, Baltasar and Juan, both who lived in Charcas.

I know Diego Delgado had an older brother named Juan Delgado, who also lived on Pendencia, born around 1604-1607.

Question: are they sons of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz? Their son, Juan Delgado (m1. Juana Rivera, m2. Maria de Vargas), would have been the same age as Diego Delgado’s older brother. (whose signature I have, but none appears on Juan Delgado-Diaz's 1669 dispensa, to compare).

Anyone know anything?

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Good morning,

I figured as a new recent member I could pose my first question (many more to follow haha) and be hopeful that someone can shed some light on a roadblock.

My inquiry involves my ancestors Pedro Muñoz and Maria Gonzales, married in 1672 in Lagos de Moreno. Unfortunately the matrimonio record does not list the pretensos parents names nor have I ever encounter the información matrimonial.

I have located the baptisms of 7 children.

After letting this line sit for a while I went on familysearch where individuals have designated
-Pedro Muñoz as the son of Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez and Ana Josefa Gómez de Portugal

Maria Gonzales as the daughter of Francisco Gonzales de Hermosillo and Francisca de Torres

This baffles me, since I can only draw 2 conclusions to connect Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez as Pedro’s father
1. The madrina of Pedro and Maria’s son Miguel (born 1683) was Mariana Muñoz (well documented daughter of Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez)
2. Some of Pedro’s grandchildren (children of his sons) are listed with the full surname of “Muñoz de Jerez”

I however can draw other conclusions why it may not be true since
1. Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez and Ana Josefa Gómes de Portugal were married in Sept 1658 - this tree on family search has no sources but claims Pedro was born 1660, meaning he would be around 12 years old marrying in 1672 (although could work, since their first child was born 3 years later in 1675, he would be ~15)
2. My Pedro Muñoz, Maria Gonzales, and all the children were documented as “mestizos” when clearly Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez and Ana Josefa are always listed as “españoles” (although Pedro’s grandchildren -the ones who all began utilizing Muñoz de Jerez” are all listed as “españoles”

The 1669 padrón for Lagos does not show any household of Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez (which I have documental evidence that his family were residents of León, Guanajuato around this time period)

The 1676 padrón for Lagos the household of Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez is present -sans any Pedro in the household- but is of essentially no help since by 1676 Pedro is already married with a child.

I suppose has anyone ever come across any other documental proof of Nicolás Muñoz de Jerez having a son named Pedro? Perhaps a will/testimony? Any land grants? Anything essentially with mentioning of children or possessions. Or is my Pedro not even of this family.

I took the initiative to message the profile that posted this ancestry and the user didn’t address nothing other than the fact that he was banned from genealogical groups and went on a rant about how everyone disputes his information, how unfairly he is treated blah blah blah.

In any event this line intrigues me greatly since Pedro and Maria are twice my ancestors. And is also of great interest since many of my ancestors for multi generations on other lines were part of the Muñoz de Jerez family’s ownership.

Any help or guidance is appreciated

Greetings,

A recent forum topic (separate thread) that was sorting out the various Christoval Lozano's prompted me to revisit the parentage of Juana Lozano, who was married to Diego Reynoso y Renteria.

Christoval Reynoso y Renteria was a son of Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano.  Christoval Reynoso y Renteria did leave marriage information in both his marriages, the first in 1735 (to Gertrudis Flores de la Torre, and the last in 1741 (to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava).  

In his 1741 marriage to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava he was noted as the widow of Gertrudis Flores de la Torre. It was also noted in this record that he was the son of Diego de Reynoso and Juana Lozano. The 1741 marriage information record (Mezquital del Oro) provided the relations between earlier Rubalcava family members (Matias and Joseph Rubalcava),  which are all noted at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15212-19282-45?cc=1804458

Besides the 2nd marriage information listed above, it was also known that Christoval Reynoso y Renteria and Maria Gertrudis Flores de la Torre were dispensed in 1735, as shown in the index at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9S9-WZ1R?cc=1937239

The issue with the 1735 marriage dispensation was that it could not be found. This was "partially solved".

Christoval Reynoso's mother (Juana Lozano y Flores de la Torre) had always been a mystery until recently, when her parentage was revealed in misfiled tronco's found in a December 1734 Monclova (Coahuila) marriage dispensation record for Juan Menchaca and Maria Sapopa Flores y Valdes. 

This is still not a complete marriage dispensation, but to Juchipila area researchers, the misfiled tronco's provide the parentage of Juana Lozano y Flores de la Torre, and hopefully can fill in a few gaps to the the Juchipila based Christoval Lozano family.

The tronco's are as follows:

Tronco 1:
Cathalina Moscoso Sandoval and Maria Moscoso Sandoval were sisters.
Maria Moscoso Sandoval was the mother of Christoval Lozano, who was the father of Juana Lozano, who was the mother of Christoval Reynoso y Renteria (groom).
Cathalina Moscoso Sandoval was the mother of Josefa (Gonzalez) Rubalcava, who was the mother of Nicolas Flores de la Torre, who was the father of Maria Gertrudis de la Torre (bride)
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Tronco 2:
Nicolas Flores de la Torre and Josepha Flores de la Torre were brother/sister.
Nicolas Flores de la Torre was the father of Nicolas Flores, who was the father of Maria Gertrudis Flores de la Torre (bride)
Josepha Flores de la Torre was the mother of Juana Lozano, who was the mother of Christoval Reynoso y Renteria (groom).

The tronco's are listed at the following link:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6X9G-77?cc=1874591

Regards,

Lee

Hola primos y primas,

I descend from Juan Diaz de Leon “El Viejo” and Francisca de Ortega, through their son, Juan Diaz de Leon “El Mozo,” and his marriage to Jacinta Martin de Sotomayor. From them, I descend from 2 sons: Jacinto Diaz, m. Sebastiana Gil, and Joseph Diaz, m. Antonia Delgadillo, the 2 lines reconnecting with the marriage of their grandchildren, Andres Diaz de Leon-Duron and Maria Estefania Carrillo-Diaz de Leon.

Recently, I came upon some notary records, which might establish when this family first settled in Sierra de Pinos. I thought I might share them here, for review and discussion.

First, though I have later generations well-documented, I don’t have a hard fix on the first. According to Don Jaime Holcombe, in his Varias Cartas (p. 171), Juan Diaz de Leon and Francisco Ortega had seven offspring:

a. Maria de Ortega, m. Hernan Perez de Mojica. With issue.
b. Pedro Diaz de Leon, b. 1615-1619. Testigo on various IM’s in Pinos, possibly married to Josefa de Santiago, with issue.
c. Juan Diaz de Leon “El Mozo”, m. Jacinta Martin de Sotomayor, md 17 Aug 1648, Pinos. With issue.
d. Antonio Diaz de Leon, b. 26 May 1621, Pinos. (Holcombe)
e. Antonia Diaz de Leon. (Holcombe)
f. Luis Diaz de Leon. (Holcombe)
g. Joseph Diaz de Leon, b. 13 Jun 1630, Pinos (Holcombe); was a testigo 21 Dec 1648, age 20.

I’ve only found records for four (a, b, c & g); would anybody have anything else on this family group?

BIRTH OF JUAN DIAZ DE LEON EL VIEJO

From 2 IM’s for which he was a witness, we can establish that Juan Diaz de Leon was born around 1580:

10 May 1650 IM for Joseph Gonzalez and Anna de Casteñeda; Juan Diaz de Leon El Viejo (as he’s listed) gave his age as “around 70” (ca. 1580). Left image:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B75W-C?mode=g&i=133&wc=3PS…

21 Feb 1651 IM for granddaughter, Antonia Perez Mojica and Gines Carrion; his age is given as “over 60” (before 1591). Left image:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B75N-3?mode=g&i=90&wc=3PS9…

MINE & LAND REGISTRATIONS

In the San Luis Potosi Registros de Minas 1604 Exp 1-5, on 1 Mar 1604, Juan Diaz de Leon files claims on no less that 7 mines, located in Pinos. Credible witnesses present were Jorge Leal, Diego Delgado and Maria Fernandez Pinto. Other miners/individuals named are Francisco Gonzalez, Antonio Gutierrez?, Leonor de Segura, Julian de Santa Maria, Diego Camacho, Juan de Morales, Juan Ruiz de Roza, Maria de Ortega, Juan del Campo, Francisco Lopez, Pedro Anrrq.z?, and Juan Dias.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7DY

On the same roll, from a document dated 27 Oct 1604, Juan Diaz de Leon registers “a sitio en el Descubrimiento de Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion de Cuzco [de Sierra de Pinos],” with a main house, a compound for Indians, and an ore mill and smelter for his metals; located in la Cieneguilla de las Encinillas, on a water hole, it was bordered by the properties of Jorge Leal, Juliana de Sotomayor, and Julian de Santa Maria.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S74T

This is likely when Encinillas became the family seat of the Diaz de Leon, though Juan Diaz was already in the area, previously: found at the General Archives of the Indies in Sevilla, is a map, dated 12 Nov 1603, of a proposed town, “to be founded on the Goleta plains, 4 leagues from the mines of Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion de Sierra de Pinos.” It shows the proposed layout of a town, with streets, a plaza mayor, and lots, assigned to individuals. One of the lots is assigned to Juan Diaz de Leon (one block south of the main plaza).
Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/27.17//MP-MEXICO,51
Archivo General de Indias
Mapas y Planos
Mapas, planos, etc.: México
Planta de la nueva población que se ha de hacer en los llanos de la Goleta, a cuatro leguas de las minas de Nuestra Señora de la Concepcion de Sierra de Pinos.

I hope you find this information useful, and comments, questions and corrections are welcome.

Gracias y Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

PS & Historical Note: Even though Real de Minas de Sierra de Pinos was in the jurisdiction of Nueva Galicia, during the first decades of the 1600s, residents still had to file in San Luis Potosi, which was in the jurisdiction of Mexico City. This reflects the historical conflict over the jurisdiction of Sierra de Pinos, between the Audiencias in Mexico and Guadalajara, during the first decades of its founding. These are some of the bureaucratic headaches that our ancestors had to deal with!

¡Saludos a todos!

I am very excited to be joining this group. I live in California, USA, and I trace my ancestry back to the early Mexican settlers who came to California between 1769 and 1848. I am currently investigating my family's lines in Ahualulco, Jalisco.

Some of the families I am researching are: VÁSQUEZ, GÓMEZ, CORONA, DE ARAIZA, CORTÉS, DE YSASI/ISSASI, TIZNADO, ALVARÉZ, "CASTELO," RODRÍGUEZ, PATRÓN, DE LEÓN, DE HARO, PACHECO, DEL VALLE, DE SOTO, DE ÁVILA, ESPINOSA, LUGO.

I look forward to collaborating with everyone!

Atentamente,

- Rian R. (https://nuestrosranchos.org/rian)

Good day. 

I hope everyone is well. I am interested in buying a set of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. 

Does anyone know where one can be found. 

Best regards,

Sandra

I need help reading some of the names in this marriage from Chihuahua, Mexico, Civil Registrations, 29 dic 1879 for Bernardo Carmona and Ma. Juana Ocon.

I can't make out the name of the groom's grandfather --Pan--?--Carmona.

I also can't make out the name of the bride's paternal grandmother ---Ma ? Munoz ?

What is the bride's paternal grandmother ---Ma. Pla.(?) Munos (?)
I looks like only her maternal grandmother is listed --Antonia Errera (?)

It is a long record that takes up two and a half pages in the marriage volume. I am so mixed up now.

Thank you in advance for your help

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I've had no luck in searching the baptismal records for Purepero and Tlazazalca, Michoacan.  I have seen variations on the name Nomelin, like Lomelin, Numelin, Romelin, etc.  I have attached a copy of their marriage record.  Any insights or suggestions are appreciated.

Gilbert

There were four men, all named Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava, who were born around 1625-1630, and who lived in the Teocaltiche/ Mexticacan/ Nochistlan area. I have been sorting through various documents, trying to get a hold on who these 4 persons were, and whether or not they might be the same person or persons, and I’ve developed a couple of theories which I thought I’d share here. First, a breakdown on who these men were:

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #1

The first Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava married Catalina Cortes de Sandoval on 21 Jun 1651, in Nochistlan; they were velados the following 1 Jun 1652. According to the dispensation of Joseph de Luna and Maria de San Juan Jimenez, Mateo #1 was the son of Antonio de Rubalcava (#1), who was the brother of Lorenzo de Rubalcava, who was the father of Agueda de Rubalcava, great-grandmother of the bride: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D28K-Z?i=481&wc=3JW5-V…

From other records, we know that Antonio #1 and Lorenzo de Rubalcava were sons of Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales.

This relationship is confirmed by the IM of Eugenio de Rubalcava and Maria Dolores de Lizarde, which again establishes Mateo #1 as the son of Antonio de Rubalcava #1, who was brother of Lorenzo de Rubalcava, who was father of Blas de Rubalcava: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TT37-2?i=25&wc=3P92-3T…

Mateo #1 died some time before 7 Jul 1670, when his daughter, Melchora de Rubalcava, married. Also, it should be noted that his mother is never mentioned, so her identity remains unknown.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #2

The second Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava married Cecilia Vasquez de Islas on 4 Feb 1658 in Nochistlán; he died 21 Jun 1710, in Nochistlan. His origins remain uncertain; the only clue I’ve seen is the dispensation of their son, Joseph Gonzalez de Rubalcava, for his marriage to Magdalena Carrillo, hija natural of Geronimo Carrillo and Magdalena Mendoza. According to this dispensa, Mateo #2 and Geronimo Carrillo were 1st-cousins, though the details of their relationship are not explained: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K99-JY?cc=1874591&wc=…

Geronimo Carrillo might be the same who was married to Maria Lozano Sandoval, and who died and was buried on 8 Mar 1693 in Nochistlan. Likewise, he might be the same Geronimo, son of Diego Carrillo and Maria Lopez, who was confirmed 29 Dec 1666 in Teocaltiche: (left) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QT5Y-7?i=46&wc=SS5B-7M… and who was living in their household in the 1681 Teocaltiche padron: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K2-Y8HH?i=475&cat=23…

If this is the case, then Geronimo’s relationship to Mateo #2 could be through his mother, Maria Lopez de Rubalcava, who was the daughter of Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales; since Mateo #2 was his 1st-cousin, then he would also be their grandson. The relationship would look like this:

Tronco: Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales
Maria Lopez-1- ?
Geronimo Carrillo-2-Mateo de Rubalcava #2
Magdalena Carrillo-3-Joseph de Rubalcava

Note: it is clear that Mateo #1 and Mateo #2 are NOT the same person, since they were married to different women and having children at the same time, and also, the former died at least 40 years before the latter.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #3

The 3rd Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava was the son of the above-mentioned Lorenzo de Rubalcava and Catalina Gonzalez, confirmed on 16 May 1634 in Teocaltiche: (right) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QT5Y-9?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Mateo #3 had a natural daughter named Catalina Gonzalez, who married Juan Gonzalez Hidalgo on 31 Aug 1667, in Teocaltiche; that she was his daughter is explained in the dispensation of Bernardo Lopez de Nava and Quiteria Jimenez, which claims that, “Mateo Gonz de Rubalcava and Agueda Gonz de Rubalcava were siblings; from Mateo came Catarina Gonzales por copula iliicita, from whom came Nicolasa Gonzalez Hidalgo, mother of the groom; from Agueda came Catharina Arellanos, and from this one, Antonio Jimenez father of the bride”: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9Y-JN?i=253&wc=12512…

From other records, we know that Agueda de Rubalcava aka Agueda Lopez was the daughter of Lorenzo de Rubalcava cc Catalina Gonzalez, supporting that Mateo #3 was the same confirmed in 1634. Nothing else is known about him.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #4

Hello to everyone,

I have been researching Antonio Cornejo Riojano with the purpose to discover more information and get a better picture of this person, who several of us here descend from. I have received a lot of assistance in the past from Rick and Dibleet, who found his birth registration from 1658, (year listed as his birth but had not been able to find before) to an Alonso Cornejo and Francisca de Acosta. 

Ozumba. Religious Legitimation Records 1650–1664 | San Pedro Atzompa. Religious Marriage Records April 1662–February 1666

I will use this post to add any information I come across about Antonio, please feel free to add anything, so that we can uncover more information about him together.

I came across this record below of Antonio Cornejo today, which I think is very fascinating. Aside from the historical information it contains about landowners near the Jalos region in Jalisco, Antonio is mentioned several times throughout this source. The land record with "Antonio Cornejo Roxano" images starting from 393 - 396 are what really drew my attention. On Page 396, at the bottom portion of the page, it has his actual signature on the document, and he signs it "Antonio Cornejo Rojano." This is the first time I had seen this spelling, which is the way my surname is spelled, usually it was spelled Riojano or Roxano in other documents and having him sign it that way is so cool.

Guadalajara. Land Records 1770

Thank you all,

Edward

Hello!

I'm trying to located modern names and sites of early ranchos and haciendas connected to family. Does anyone know about the following?

Los Jacales/Los Xacales (Barrio de los Jacales): Los Jacales located immediately southwest of Lagos, by San Pablo de Nazas? or Jacales, by Chipinque, located north of Lagos on the Camino de Escondida?

El Rancho de Nasas: San Pablo de Nazas, southwest of Lagos, adjacent to Los Jacales?

La Estancia de Domingo de Espinosa: south of Lagos at Loma de Espinosa?

Los Velozes (El Rancho de Pedro de Beloso/Veloso c1615-1672): Loma de Velozes?

La Hacienda de Juan Días Toribio (c1619-1669)?

El Rancho de Bartolomé de Mesquita/Amezquita (c1595-aft1669)?

Thank you,

Travis

Does anyone have Rick Ricci's current email address?

Joseph Puentes 

Hi all--

I am looking for documentation on Jose Hernando de Haro, who was the son of Juan Miramontes. Hernando was married to Francisca Flores de la Torre (hija de CAP Luis Flores de la Torre and unknoown female) sometime in the last quarter of 1600s.

If you have any sources for Hernando de Haro, please advise. Thanks!

Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Hola prim@s,

Aquí las informaciones genealógicas del familiar y alguacil mayor del Santo Oficio, Domingo de Onís y Vela, y de su esposa, María Mancina, fechada el 11 oct 1684 en Llerena, minas de Sombrerete: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM4-J?cat=31792&…

María Mancina era de Tlaltenango y bisnieta de Miguel Rivera y Leonor Ortiz, de Guadalajara, esta última hija de Francisco López de la Cruz y Alfonsina de la Paz, naturales de Santa Olalla y vecinos de Guadalajara. Por eso se incluye la probanza de la familia López de la Cruz Haedo (o Ahedo), hecha en Toledo y en Vizcaya en 1616, y en nombre de los hermanos Diego, Alonso, Lorenzo, y Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo, y en nombre de Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo su sobrino, hijo de su hermano Francisco, ya difunto. Los cinco hermanos eran hijos de Juan de la Cruz, vecino de Santa Olalla: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W91B-D?cat=31792&…

Se describe cómo su abuelo, Diego López de la Cruz Haedo, hijo de Pedro de la Cruz, señor y dueño de la casa y solar de Haedo, “que está sita en el consejo de Salla, de este valle de Salcedo en las Encartaciones de Vizcaya”, salió del dicho valle en 1522 en compañía de don Lope de Salcedo (señor de la casa de Salcedo y Aranguren) y otros hijosdalgo, para servir al emperador don Carlos V durante la Guerra de las Comunidades, y que dicho Diego López de la Cruz, durante ese tiempo, conoció y se casó con una mujer de Santa Olalla en el obispado de Toledo, donde permaneció, y fueron ellos los padres de Juan de la Cruz.

Aunque no lo dice explícitamente, se puede suponer que el susodicho Francisco López de la Cruz Ahedo, ya difunto en 1616, es el mismo que se casó con Alfonsina de la Paz y que llegó a la Nueva España en 1561. ¿Qué opinan ustedes, mis primos?

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

FRANCISCO DE MONROY
Expediente de información y licencia de pasajero a indias de Francisco de Monroy, natural y vecino de México, hijo de Luis Moreno de Monrroy y de Catalina de la Cruz, a México, con las siguientes personas: - Juana Telo y de la Cruz y Aldo, mujer, natural y vecina de México, - Fernando López de la Cruz Haedo, cuñado, natural y vecino de Toledo, hijo de Lorenzo López de la Cruz y María de Toledo (Lorenzo López fue hijo de Juan de la Cruz y presenta testigos, incluso su hermano Diego López de la Cruz Haedo. Juana Tello y Aedo de la Cruz fue su hija - se casó ella con Francisco de Monroy - hijo de su prima hermana).
https://pares.mcu.es:443/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/147507

Estimados colegas,

Hoy de casualidad busqué en PARES información sobre Compostela de Indias, hoy Nayarit y ¡vaya si tuve suerte! Este documento nos ayuda a trazar varios hilos de la historia de Compostela de Indias, incluyendo a varios de los alcaldes del sigo XVII, que tan difícil ha sido de desentrañar. 

Encontré la confirmación de oficio de D. Sebastián de Bracamonte y Ovalle como escribano público de la ciudad de Compostela en 1696-1697. El primer testigo fue el Cap. D. Diego Dávalos y Ulibarri, hermano del primer Conde de Miravalle (imagen 129); nos da la edad del testigo de 36 años y por lo tanto nacido alrededor de 1661. 

Empezando en la imagen 125, https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/344451 se establece la ascendencia de D. Sebastián de Bracamonte, explicada en la imagen 128, donde se nota que es hijo de D. Nicolás de Bracamonte y a Luisa de Ovalle y Jácome. Dichos padres fueron originarios de Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia (hoy Jalisco). Tambien se afirma en la imagen 135 que don Nicolás de Bracamonte descendió de un Encomendero en Nueva Galicia. El segundo testigo Sgto. Diego de Tovar y Avena, casó con prima segunda.

Abuelos paternos: D. Fernando de Bracamente y Alvarado; y Catalina de Grijalva y Zepeda, también ambos naturales de Guadalajara (Nueva Galicia, hoy Jalisco). 

Abuelos maternos: D. Jacome Antonio, originario del señorío de Génova, aunque la ciudad parece que dice Utre, no la he podido localizar.  Abuela materna: Maria de Ovalle, originaria de Compostela. 

En la imagen 131, hay muchas filiaciones, algunas de personas que me son familiares y otras que no conozco.  Pero aquí las enumero:

• Nicolás de Bracamente (padre) – Alcalde Ordinario de Compostela (dos veces)
• Antonio Jácome (tío materno) – Alférez Real y Alcalde Ordinario de Compostela
• Joseph del Valle (primo hermano materno)– Alcalde Ordinario
• Bernabé Jácome Indux [sic.?] (primo hermano) – Alcalde Ordinario de Compostela
• Cap. Francisco del Valle – Alférez Real de Compostela
• Pedro Rodríguez Gutiérrez – Cura Beneficiado del Valle de Banderas
• Pedro Dávalos y Bracamonte (padre del testigo y del Conde de Miravalle)– Alcalde Ordinario de Compostela
• Alonso Dávalos y Bracamonte – 1er Conde de Miravalle
• Dr. D. Pedro Dávalos y de la Cueva – Cura de la parroquia de Sta. Catarina Mártir en la ciudad de México, y anteriormente Cura de San Juan del Río, actualmente Magistral y Lector de la Iglesia (Catedral?) Metropolitana de México. 

Preguntas que me surgen:

1. El apellido Alvarado de D. Fernando, abuelo paterno de D. Sebastián, estará ligado al Adelantado?
2. El apellido Jácome será apellido (cosa que parece probable) por portarlo la madre Luisa de Ovalle y Jácome o el primer nombre del abuelo materno? Dónde será la ciudad de Utre en Génova (Italia?).
3. Un primo en segundo grado creo que quiere decir, que los bisabuelos son hermanos, correcto? En la imagen 134, se dice que Nicolás de Bracamonte (padre de D. Sebastián) fue primo hermano de D. Pedro Dávalos y Bracamonte. Por lo tanto, el padre de D. Nicolás y la madre de D. Pedro eran hermanos.  Por lo tanto, Fernando de Bracamonte y Alvarado  y Da. Leonor de Bracamonte serían hermanos, hijos de Álvaro de Bracamonte (ca. 1550)  Pero el segundo apellido de Alvarado puede significar que las madres eran distintas, pues de la madre de Leonor fue Francisca Arias. Claro que hay debate sobre si hubo una o dos Leonor de Bracamonte (algo a lo que no quiero meterme ahorita aquí). 

Es todo por ahora.  Un saludo cordial!

Sergio Salés

"Valle de Guafucar partida de Mectabasco" is the same as Huejucar, Calvillo or is this a separate town in Zacatecas???? Thank you for any information.

Does anyone have information on sisters Nicolasa Vásquez (d. c1735) and Melchora de los Reyes alias Vásquez (b. c1649), of Santa María de los Lagos?

According to the dispensa matrimonial de Marcos de Espitia, cited (but not transcribed) on his wikitree entry, Nicolasa Vásquez and Melchora de los Reyes alias Vásquez (8th gr-grandmother), of Santa María de los Lagos, were (half?) sisters:

Nicolasa Vásquez (d. bef1735) - Espanola          -1-    Melchora de los Reyes (b. bef1649) - Mestiza
m. Antonio de Quezada - Espanol                                m. Antonio Santoyo alias Pérez (b. c1635) - Mestizo

Anastacia de Quezada (b. c1715) - Espanola      -2-    Teodora Pérez (b. c1670)
m. Marcos de Espitia (b. c1710) - Castizo                    m. Andrés de Espitia (b. c1665)

                                                                              -3-    Nicolás de Espitia (b. c1685)
                                                                                       m. Teresa Josefa López Lizalde (b. c1685)

                                                                              -4-    Marcos de Espitia (b. c1710) - Castizo
                                                                                      m. Anastacia de Quezada (b. c1715) - Espanola

Nicolasa Vásquez was born before c1685 (her first known child was born about 1700), and sister Melchora de los Reyes was born before c1650 (her first known child was born about 1665).

That's about a 35 year age gap, so maybe they are half-sisters?

I'm scouring birth, marriage, death records and the padrons but so far cannot find their parents.

Sources:

- Cited on Wikitree: Dispensa matrimonial de su hija Anastasia, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. México: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, p. 322. 20 de enero de 1735

- 9 Feb 1735 marriage of Marcos de Espitia and Anastacia de Quezada ("consanguinidad de segundo con quarto grado"): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K9WH-K

Thank you,

Travis

Pedro Hernándes (d. bef. 1610) & María Rubio of Lagos are 11th gr-grandparents through son, Miguel.

Does anyone know much about the early (pre-1600) Hernández-Rubio Family in Lagos?

Thank you,

Travis

Good day. 

I hope all are well. I am searching for a birth record for Francisco Antonio Gallaga Mandarte Villaseñor. Here is the link to his marriage record

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMS6-D6?i=347&wc=3J8D-4WG%3A173142401%2C171933302%2C176026201&cc=1874591

Your help would be very much appreciated. 

Kind regards,

Sandra

Hello everyone,

My name is Edward Rojano, a new member and I wanted to introduce myself.

I started researching my family tree just a few years ago, specifically my direct paternal lineage from Jalisco. I didn’t really know much of our family history past my great grandfather. So I started with my grandfather, gathering names of parents and grandparents from birth, marriage and death registrations on Family Tree. Slowly, my family tree started coming together and as you can see below, I belong to the Cornejo family from Jalostotitlan, in the Los Altos region of what is now Jalisco.

Lately, I have been researching and trying to obtain more information on Antonio Cornejo Riojano, born in 1658 as per Dr. Mariano González-Leal in tomo III of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. I have been unable to find documents which definitively name and show Alonso Cornejo as his father, as is believed. Also, I have been trying to find the source his Riojano surname that was often used along with Cornejo. Maybe he had a different mother than his other brothers? In his book under the Cornejo family, Dr. González-Leal, when going over the Ramas De Jalostotitlan, states “estas ramas fueron hijos de Alonso Cornejo y de Inés Ramírez.” He also adds, “usaron apellidos de Cornejo, Cornejo de Arriaga y Cornejo Riojano, que por razones que no me es dable.”

I was hoping to collaborate with anyone else researching this same line or see if there are any other resources we here I can find some of the above info. Thank you for taking the time to read all this. I am still very new to all this and here to learn as much as I can.

Generation:

1. Me

2. Father (living)

3.Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4. Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5. Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6. José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7. José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8. José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9. José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10. Salvador Cornejo Ramírez: born 1689 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 28 June 1740 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

11. Antonio Cornejo Riojano: born 1658; died 14 June 1732 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

12. Alonso de Cornejo: born about 1600 in Chalco, Mexico; died November 1671 Mexico City.

13. Fernando de Gordíbar Osorio: born about 1550; deceased.

14. Martín Lopez Osorio (also known as Lope de Osorio) Conquistador de la Nueva España: born about 1493 in Sevilla, Spain; died approximately 1573.

I just been wondering what is know about Carlos Lomellin. I am a decedent of him through his son Lucas. I have research him and from other post that I have seen I know that he worked on the mines? I know that he came from Genoa Italy. Nobody seems to know who his parents were. Is this because Carlos is a dead end or because nobody has research the records in Italy? 

There is a John Reyes who is not a member who wants to know who posted the genealogy of his family on the website. Does anyone want to take credit for posting the genealogy of "Geronimo M. Reyes"? I would like to put you and John together as you are probably cousins. But I can't seem to find a message with that title "Ancestors of Geronimo M. Reyes". Maybe its there and I just didn't find it yet so if anyone else with better tech savy would help that would be also welcome.

Joseph (email me please makas@nc.rr.com) 

Does anyone know why we can't access the 1930 Mexico census on familysearch?

When I cleaned up several generations on the Esparaza tree on Family Search to reflect the accurate relationships I was very careful to include the correct mother’s maiden name on each record which was especially important on generations with the same name, like Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa and Lope Ruíz de Esparza Diaz. However, the same Family Search user who had deleted the couple relationship mentioned on my previous post changed a number of the names, including some, but not all of the wives by adding long extensions like these: 

Lic. Lope Ruíz De Esparza Espinoza Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui 
Lic. Pedro Ruíz De Esparza Caparroso Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s son Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s father 
María de Larrasoaña Sra. Del Palacio de Zariquiegui – One of Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici’s wives (Not Lope’s mother)

This extended version of the name was obviously taken from court documents like the example below that uses the name in the title with the added description in the Content of the summary, but this isn’t always the case. There are many court actions that only use Lope Ruiz de Esparza in both the title and Content of the court action.

LOPE RUIZ DE ESPARZA contra DOMINGO DE OSCOZ
Content: Lope Ruiz de Esparza, señor de los palacios de Esparza (Galar) y Zariquiegui, vecino de Pamplona, contra Domingo de Oscoz, residente en el barrio de Santa Engracia de Pamplona, sobre retrocesion de la venta de una viña junto al degolladero de Pamplona de Antonio de Espinosa, su primo carnal, por 47 ducados, alegando derecho de tanteo como pariente mas cercano.

My question is whether those of nobility were referred to as Lord or Lady of a domain from birth, or only after the death of the father? It doesn’t make sense to me that three generations of Esparza men who may have been alive at the same time would all be referred to as Lord of Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui. It seems that, for genealogy purposes, using the mother’s maiden name after the paternal surname distinguishes one generation from another sufficiently. Family Search offers another area called Other Formation/Alternate Name where name variations and additional information can be added.

Anyway, I looked into what Family Search recommended for Name entry and following the guidelines changed the names back to the ones I had originally used with paternal and maternal surnames. I included Source documents that stated ONLY the name without the extended description in the title of court actions, suggested that name variations could be added under Other Formation/Alternate Name, and actually added the extended information in that section. Again, the user changed them all back to the extended names. I’m not to get into a dueling match with this user and make any more changes. Meanwhile, I’m going to a Family Search seminar in June that deals with how to maintain accuracy in trees and deal with those who are making it difficult, so I will bring up my issues then. 

Thanks for any insight that can be offered here about title and name traditions in Spain during the Middle Ages and in genealogy, in general. 

I'm looking for the parents of Joseph Padilla and his wife María Eusebia Lópes de Lara. They probably married before June of 1734 in either Jalisco or Guanajuato.

Joseph Padilla, noted as born in Cuarenta, Jalisco (date unknown) and died before 25 Jun 1746. He is the first husband of María Eusebia Lópes de Lara (born c1715 probably in León, Guanajuato). 

I believe, but cannot yet prove, María Eusebia Lópes de Lara is the daughter of Donato López de Lara (b. c1685 & buried 30 Oct 1751 in León, Guanajuato) and Agueda Juliana de Soto (Sotomayor y Aguilar?).

1. María Eusebia Lópes de Lara (c1715 León?)

   1st marriage: bef. June 1734? Joseph Padilla b. Cuarenta, Jalisco d. bef. 25 Jun 1746
           1.1 Aguedas Juliana Padilla b. 1735 León, Guanajuato
               m. 5 Mar 1753 don Juan Antonío Muñoz de Xeres
           1.2 Joseph Marcelino Antonio Padilla b. c1739 Cuarenta, Jalisco
               m. 13 Aug 1757 doña María Antonía Muñoz de Xeres
               m. 10 May 1769 Antonía Victoria de Torres (India)
           1.3 Manuel Ciriaco Padilla b. 19 Jun 1739 Lagos bt. 28 Jun 1739 Lagos (Padrinos: Phelipe Lópes de Lara y Maria Theresa de Aranda)
               m. María Leonarda de Espinosa
           1.4 Marcos de Jesus Padilla b. 25 Apr 1741 Las Nazas, Jalisco
               m. 5 Jul 1767 Clara Silveria de Aranda
           1.5 María Josepha Padilla b. 31 Mar 1743 Lagos

   2nd marriage: 25 Jun 1746 don Joseph Muñoz de Xeres (son of Juan Muñoz de Xeres y Gómez and Ysabel de Aranda y Vanegas)
           1.6 José Segundo Muñoz de Xeres b. c1754
           1.7 Ana Petronila Muñoz de Xeres b. c1756
           1.8 Inéz Serapia Muñoz de Xeres b. c1758
           1.9 María Muñoz de Xeres b. c1759
           1.10 María de las Nieves Muñoz de Xeres b. c1760