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I cannot locate the record for the marriage of Juan Antonio Ruiz and Maria Josefa Ysaguirre. It was 2 September 1798 in Rio Verde, San Luis Potosi. There is 1 record for that date, but it is not for these two. I am sure it is in this book (709241) somewhere, but I can't find it. Any help will be apprectiated! Here is the record for the date: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGQ-S6P?i=444&cc=1860864

Esteemed genealogist Tony Campos passed away today, November 18, 2016. His primary genealogical focus was in the State of Michoacan. In the 1980s Tony, together with Ophelia Marquez, Mimi Lozano and Raul Guerra, co-founded the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research. This genealogical organization published the SHHAR Research Journals and Somos Primos Newsletters. We will always be grateful for his wonderful contributions.

Mary Lou Montagna

The number of people researching their roots in Mexico is ever growing. What I wonder is, do people who were born in Mexico and still live there have any interest in genealogy. On another forum, I read a post by a member who voiced his disappointment that there doesn't appear to be any genealogy interest and that it would be great if someone cared enough even for something like Find a Grave in the US. I responded that maybe they are so close to their past and ancestors that it isn't that important or resources are easily accessed which did not help this person's attitude at all. What are you thoughts?

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

On this baptism for Lorenso de esqueda could someone tell me what it says
after fueron sus padrinos Salvador Ruiz de Esparza:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-1DP

Danny C. Alonso

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I have wondered at the "end of the line" origins of m Family surname, (ORNELAS) and am now down to about 5 serious contenders, all in the Galician region (Northern Spain/Portugal), and talking to several people who are absolutely certain that THEIR research and findings are accurate. We have Fornelas,(spain) Hornelas, Ornelas, and a few others with common phonetics from the region.

Realizing, that for a lot of us, some of our surnames come from a mother culture that is Galician, and regional, rather than strictly nationally Spanish or Portuguese, I began to wonder when the two languages formally separated, and found this interesting article.
https://www.quora.com/At-what-point-did-Portuguese-and-Spanish-become-d…

I am interested in what some of the older and more experience researchers here think, and looking to learn more.

Thanks.
Piero

I have messaged others, but either I have had something go wrong with my browser, or there is not a simple inbox for messages between members.
Thanks.

P.S. is anyone else getting this PHP error screen like I am? I get something similar to it on every NR page i visit.
"Creating default object from empty value in PHP?:
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-----Original Message-----
From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
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Somos Primos, November 2016 Click here: Somos Primos http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2016/spnov16/spnov16.htm

Dear Friends and Family:

November 1-2 are observed as Dias de Los Muertos , honoring the memories of our loved ones.
and November 11th is Veteran's Day, set aside to honor our Veterans.

Words can not express my gratitude to those men and women who dedicate
their lives to protecting our country. As I view the brutality and
devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars, I realize that we can never repay our veterans for the horrors forever etched in their memories. Please pray with me that our in-coming government will attempt to provide for all the needs of our Veterans, and we will fulfill our obligations to them will be set in place.

I give thanks for being born in the United States of Mexican Heritage with a proud history of 500 years of familia contributions to the development of the Americas.
I give thanks for the technological and scientific developments which have provided the means for me to learn of my roots and appreciate mis antipasados, for their sacrifices and accomplishments.
I give thanks for the Christian foundations of our nation, and our inspired Constitution.
I give thanks for our varied/ diverse educational systems, giving all opportunities to improve their lives.
I give thanks for family and friend who strengthen and support me.
I give thanks to you, readers of Somos Primos, who encourage my efforts and share information.

Let us all pray that the Lord will have His Hand on the outcome of the election.
God bless America that it will continue to be a stabilizing force in the world.

Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS, November 2016

UNITED STATES
ACLU Outrage: A Mountaintop Christian Victory Over the ACLU Chapman University’s third annual Survey of American Fears Pew Research Center Report: Individual income tax statistics, by income group Smithsonian Latino Center 2015 Annual Report

Mexican “Repatriation” of the 1930s: 45 Years of Advocacy by M.
Guadalupe Espinoza
Open Letter of Concern to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Administrators, Voters, The NFL, Sportswriters and the General Public from Dr. Mario Longoria

Don Eleuterio Escobar, Seed planted in 1915 for Liga Pro-Defensa Escolar / School Improvement League by Gilberto Quezada Domingo E. Pena, Memories by daughter, Rose Everett Alonso S. Perales, Civil rights lawyer-fighter for Mexican Americans by Gilberto Quezada "El Mexico Americano y la Politica del Sur de Texas" Lic. Alonso S.
Perales, Octubre 1931

7th annual Digital Media & Learning Conference at UCI, Digital Dreamers by Mimi Ko Cruz Convention of States held September 26th Defaced dollar bill should be refused Spanish language is the oldest non Indian language spoken of the United States

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Horses & Heroes by Robin Collins
CAREM / El Camino Real de las Californias as World Heritage Site Update Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Reunion 2016, November 18-19 Houston, Texas America's Most Endangered Historic Places

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Photo: Policemen inspect a 'lumber truck' during prohibition (1926) Los Esclavos Olvidados de America, Los Irlandeses
Irish: The Forgotten White Slaves

HISPANIC LEADERS
Regardless of their faith, terminal patients find comfort with Sisters of the Servants of Mary

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Photo: US soldier offering his hand to a woman leaving a cave
Unreal: Pentagon Demands Soldiers Repay Bonuses WWII Spitfire Pilot

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Spanish and Mexican Land Grants by Joe Perez Who was the “Protector and Defender of U.S. independence"? by José Antonio López Judge Edward F. Butler, 37th TX Hispanic Genealogical & Historical Conference

SURNAMES
IX Reunion Internacional de los Elizondo Apellido Pastor Apellido Bonis

DNA
Genes and Mestizos by Carlos López Beltrán Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula

FAMILY HISTORY
Twile Integrates with FamilySearch

EDUCATION
Educators fight textbook that vilifies Mexican Americans by Sabrina Holcomb Pórtate Bienwritten by Sylvia Castañeda Reaching their STEM potential by Nina Agrawal

CULTURE
Sacred Image Cast Through Several Lenses by Antonie Boessenkool Conjunto & Orquesta: Music and Tejano Identity: "What Are We?
Historia de 'Adelita' la personaje del famoso corrido.

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
The International Latino Book Awards
The 2016 NAHP Convention, Allen, Texas, October 19-22, Jose Marti Publishing Awards Recognizing Rudolfo Anaya, the Godfather of Chicano Letters by Rigoberto Gonzalez Irma's Story Irma's Story, American by Birth Hispanic by Choice by Peter B . Gawenda Cuando Éramos Invencibles por Jesús A. Rojo Pinilla White Cargo by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh Mujeres de la Edad Media: actividades políticas, socioeconómicas y culturales
co-authors: Maira del Carmen Garcia Herrero y Cristina Perez Galan La Cruzada Océano José Javier Esparaza

I am trying to find the parents of Juan de Anda, and to determine if he is part of the Anda Altamirano family.

Juan married Maria Ortega Espinosa on 28 Jul 1658, in Lagos de Moreno, the record gives her parents, but not his. Of their six children, Juana de Anda married Nicolas Macias Valadez in Lagos de Moreno on 16 Sep 1680.

Any help would be appreciated.

George Fulton

I truly need help find my 8th generation grandparents Juan Antonio Thorres de Escobar married to Getrudis Codero. They were from San Juan Bautista, Sombrerete, Zacatecas Mexico.

I also need to find Ysidro Placencia married to Gertrudis Rodriguez around 1712.

Mil gracias

Olga Placencia Torres

Hi! Are there any resources that cover the population and history of Sayula, Jalisco, in the 1800s? Does anyone know who I would contact in Sayula that might know that kind of information? Thank you!

Researching Aceves, Lopez, Cuevas, Villalbaso, Velasco, Luna, Lugo ...

I just found out that the book "Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana" by Jesus Amaya Topete is now available to view on Google books. It has lots of information on the founding families in the Ameca valley. I am so glad I'm able to read it online, especially because it contains lots of information about a branch in my family tree, the Enriquez Topete. Here's the link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=en…

Saludos,

Steve in NC

I tire of the right wing screed that is Somos Primos.

But first, let's talk about terrorism. It's not like the Muslims have a
corner on this market. Most terrorism in the USA is by white Christian
males. Shall we talk about the atrocities that our own soldiers have
committed? In the ME, in Vietnam? Here's the legacy of our involvement
in Vietnam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj72E8Xr_xw Look at those
children and tell me we have no blood on our hands.

As Christ himself said, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the
first to throw a stone."

Let's revisit 2000 years of Christian history and come up with examples
of Christians doing horrific things. I'm sure we could fill volumes.

lg

On 11/01/2016 3:06 pm, general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

I just came across the term "Ambrotype" and it was an old way of taking photographs on glass.

It is amazing how they looked back then in the mid 1800's. I hope to find some of people from our town in Mexico.

Hello, I'm wondering if someone can help me read this marriage record. I am not yet able to read this type of writing well, especially the abbreviations. What I'm particularly interested in are these: On the third line between Lopez and de este Pueblo; On the fourth line what is his mother's name? Also, what are the words between Ana Luisa Diaz and hija. Also, in the column on the left, what does the bottom line say? Thank you!

Babette

buenas tardes a todos nuestros amigos compañeros de este foro
de investigación genealógica
alguien a podido encontrar alguna pista sobre el linaje de
Petronila de Moctezuma esposa de Martin navarro de gabai ?
o alguien sabe noticia sobre el libro de de don Guillermo Tovar de teresa
donde menciona el documento donde se comprueba el linaje de Petronila con el emperador Moctezuma?
esperemos muy pronto encontrar noticias sobre su linaje
saludos a todos
que tengan un excelente día

I'm having trouble understanding a Civil Registration of a birth. This record is from Guanajuato, Mexico. The troublesome phrase regarding the father of the child who has come in to register the birth: casado cannonicamente y soltero segun la ley and the daughter is listed as , hija natural, and the mother is not named. I think I read the record correctly. In this child's baptism record she is listed as the legitimate child of the named parents. This couple had 2 earlier children, baptised in the same church and listed as legitimate children. Neither of the other two children's births were registered with the State.
Thank you, Gloria

Hello all.
Firstly, I want to thank those that have helped, and are helping me trace my ancestry, and who have given me many tips.

I wanted to ask: Since coming here, and to the Nueva Galicia Society and Ancestrydna.com, I have noticed some really heated and also hostile behavior between people, and heard names called, and seen some less than what I had assumed was professional behavior. Questions:

1: If one person does some research, and another person references or uses it directly is there a reason that would create bad blood?

2: I have heard researchers call one another "Plagiarists". This would suggest ownership of research. I would have thought that sharing research about a person's family line, would be a good thing. Am I wrong? are there negative things that can comer from this?

I have seen in several forums, people ignore pleas for help, and assistance, and then harshly criticize the person who was asking for help, railing against them for some error in their research or methodology.

Just wondering what the social lay of the land is here, and wondering what is going on with all the heated words, and hard feelings. I really didn't expect that.

Thanks for your time and patience.

Piero
Rookie researcher.

One of the biggest questions that my family has always had about our family that came from Mexico is possibly a question that will never be answered. My great-grandmother Pascuala Aceves, and two of her siblings, Maria Romula Aceves and Bernardo (Fernando) Aceves, all left Mexico and went to California by early 1877. We believe that either they all came together, or Maria Romula came first and they followed. Pascuala’s children (our grandmothers and their siblings), are the ones that passed on the story. We heard that Pascuala and Fernando had gone to mass, and when they returned they learned that their mother, Maria Juana Lopez Cuebas had been killed by banditos. She was a shopkeeper and a seamstress. We heard that Pascuala and Fernando left the area shortly after that.
We have been unable to find any death records for Maria Juana Lopez Cuebas, and this is what we would most like to find.
Manuel Asebes was Maria Juana’s husband and the father of her children. They were married in Sayula, and all the children were born in Sayula.
The story says that Maria Juana left Manuel because he failed to support the children. She moved, but we don’t know where to. The family always said she was from Guadalajara.
The story said she then married an alcalde, but we don’t have a name.
The children were: Agustina, b 1843, married a German soldier. Her children were born in Mexico City so perhaps they all went there; Maria Clara, b 1845, died at about 18. No death record found; Atilano, b 1847, died young. No death record found; Jose Eucebio, b 1850. Have no idea about him; Maria Romula, b 1852, married a Frenchman and went to California; Pascuala, b 1854, married an Englishman and went to California; Bernardo (Fernando), b 1856. Went to California. Heard that he left San Francisco after the 1906 earthquake and went back to Mexico. I have found no information either way.
If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. Again, what we most want to know is if the story of Maria Juana Lopez Cuebas is true.
Thank you,
Rayna Babette Allen

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2016-10-25 20:50 GMT+02:00 :

> You are quite lucky to have someone in the family who saved all those
> wonderful items of your families past. I noticed the red miners hats. I
> love
> those kinds of pictures. No one in my family really put things together of
> their families and it has been difficult but rewarding to get a picture of
> my
> great grandmother and her shawl still in its box only because I asked the
> person who inherited her house while no one had cared to find out in the
> family. If you read some of the history of the European Royalty who
> intermarried so much that it created deformities, crazy (Juana la Loca) and
> sterility among other stuff. Back to your family the Contreras, There are
> many players now many of them with dispensas that has help put a tighter
> timeframe. L5B5-95V is the locator on www.familysearch.com for Jose
> Christobal de Contreras, it can be search by ID or Name added to your
> family
> already on Familysearch. I added what was in the dispensas put it needs
> your
> familiarity to put all together. I have a theory of the aguilera vs.
> Contreras, I believe she had the baby before they married. I say this only
> because they seem to use the name Aguilera forward while they don't mention
> Aguilera nor refer to her as married only that Maria Contreras is mother. ​
>

[Nuestros Ranchos] Contreras y Briseno

1. About Ysabel Garcia de Contreras
1.1 It is possible that Garcia was used as a second given name, not as
first surname.
Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garc%C3%ADa_(surname)
"García was a very common first name in early medieval Spain."
1.2 I found an example in 'FamilySearch' web page
Father: Jn. Garzia De Contreras
Mother: Elena Franca
Son: Jn. Contreras
(folow this link)
1.3 Then, if the theory is true, Xtobal de Contreras did not inherit the
given name Garcia

2. Why 'Xtobal de Contreras' did not take his father surname?

2.1 It could be because he was an illegitimate child, but you say that
'Ysabel Garcia
De Contreras has a *legitimate* son ...' Why are you so sure of that?

2.2 In my experience, in the records of baptism no surnames are assigned
to the child. Instead the priest uses the phrase "I baptized a child who
was born x days ago and I named it Xtobal. He (She) is legitimate son of
[parent's names and surnames]". If you are lucky, the record you are
looking at has the names and surnames of the grandparents.

2.3 Before 1800, most people only used one surname, which was usually the
father's surname, although there were exceptions where some people decided
to use the mother's surname, or in very minority, other family's surname.

2.4 From the nineteenth century in Spain and Spanish America it was
imposed, first as use and later as standard in various administrative,
legal, military fields, among others, the double surname.

2.5 Today, the official rule in Mexico is father's first surname +mother's
first surname.

Best regards

2016-10-22 17:01 GMT-05:00 :

My name is Cathy Tagliabue. I am from the Houston, Texas area. I am researching my Mother's biological father Pablo Montano from Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico. In the 1930's my Mother's biological parents worked for a hospital in Waco, TX. Pablo and his brother Hilarion would cross into the US for work and they roomed together. Pablo worked there for at least a decade.

I need some assistance. After looking on Ancestry.com there are 2 or 3 Pablo's that could be her Father and I need help finding a document that has both Pablo and Hilarion on it. I also found a border crossing for Hilarion that states his father is Jesus. Any advice or suggestions are welcomed. Pablo was suppose to be an older man. I found a border crossing for a Pablo Montano where he crosses into Waco, TX. and shows his birth-year as 1897.

I also had DNA testing through Ancestry.com for my ethnic makeup and it shows that I am 11% Native American. I am hoping I can also find out more about that.

I was a banker and a stay at home Mom. I've been battling cancer the last couple of years. This is my Mom's dream to find out more about her biological father.
My dear sweet Mother passed away 16 years ago.

Thank you.
Cathy

Hello everyone.
MY name is Piero Ornelas, and I am tracing my family's surname to, and before it was present in San De Los Lagos. (Referred to after this, as "SJDLL) The relatives I am positive about are as follows.
This is my first attempt at this research, and I am concerned that with one mistake, I may get everything before my great grandfather wrong, and I have heard that there are several "Ornelas" families in SJDLL, who were all related. If you have any information or corrections I would welcome them! thanks!
I am very interested in if this nis true that much of our Surname is actually Portuguese and not Spanish of origin. I was surprised!
Any help or clarifications great appreciated! Thanks!

My line:

My Father, Ralph Ornelas, d.1962

My grandfather, Mario Ornelas born San Juan de los lagos
b. January 19, 1909. d. march 27, 2004, in Monterey Park, California, at the age of 95.

My great-grandfather, Apolinar Ornelas
b. around 1880, In or near San Juan De Los lagos, (baptized on July 29, 1877 in SJDLL)

My Great-Great grabdfather Florencio Ornelas
b. 1872 in Manuel Ojinaga, Chihuahua

My Great-great-great grandfather Bernardo Ornelas baptized on February 17, 1722, in SJDLL

My Great-great-great-great Grandmother Dorotea De Ornelas
born about 1695, in SJDLL

My Great-great-great-great-great grandfather Andres De Ornelas
b. 1636 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco,

My great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Alvaro VI Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa
b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico

My great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather Alvaro V Albares deOrnellas
b. 1561, in Canico, Ihlas Madeiras, Portugal

my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great--great grandfather, Joao De Ornelas
b. 1530 in Caniço, Madeira, Portugal.

Could someone tell me what city or town I will find Christening records for people born in El Tule, Aguascalientes in 1892-1900? I searched in Asiento's records, but I could not find them even thou I have an exact birth place (El Tule), and birth date. I am looking for my grandfather Miguel Reyes and his sister Anastasia. He married my grandmother - Reynald Rangel from Matamoros. I found both their crossover papers listing place of birth and also my grandfather's army registration document at the public library listing a birth date. Thank you.