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Need help locating Parrish records in Government books

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Does anyone know if church records were recorded in government books? Is there an archive to look at those?

Example is a picture of one a historian sent me. I am trying to help him out.

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Published by uncabral – Sat, 2020-09-12 09:16 | Permalink

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I have seen the picture. My understanding is that the word "Gobierno" here has nothing to do with the "government", it is a reference to the governing of the Curato so this is a completely church thing and has nothing to do with civil matters. In Mexico Church archives and Civil Governement records are things that stand apart from each other.

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Thank you Uncabral. A historian (Cronista) of Zacatecas, has been asking me if I know where those types of records are kept. He said that he was told that it would be copied by the Mormons in their records.

I am trying to help him locate the archives. On the example he gave me of a picture of the "Gobierno Del Curato" book of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico 1854, it would probably be under the archive of that title "Gobierno Del Curato" if it exists some where and was copied for people to see online.

That would open up a new avenue to look at records online.

I think it is called "Libros Parroquial Del Gobierno"

http://www.dsanjuan.org/descargas/upload//Indicaciones_para_Libro_de_Go…

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En Familysearch.org en el Catalogo bajo: Libros de gobierno, 1670-1752 hay 52 microfilms

Este es el link:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/309129

Libros de gobierno, 1670-1752
Authors:
Audiencia de Nueva Galicia (Guadalajara). Presidente (Main Author)
Format:
Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:
Spanish
Publication:
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Socidad Genealógica de Utah, 1959
Physical:
52 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.
Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos en Guadalajara.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

La Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia contaba con las provincias mayores de Colima, Jalisco, y Zacatecas, que corresponden a los estados actuales del mismo nombre de la República Mexicana.

Se colectaron en los "Libros de Gobierno" nombramaientos, comisiones, confirmaciones, reales cédulas y provisiones, licencias, títulos de provisión, y otros muchos documentos civiles.

Public records from the "Audiencia" or Kingdom of Nueva Galicia, the present-day States of Colima, Jalisco, and Zacatecas, Mexico.

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Subjects
Locality Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco - Public records Mexico, Colima - Public records Mexico, Zacatecas - Public records
Film/Digital Notes
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film DGS Format
Libros de gobierno 1670-1675
Family History Library
International Film
269815
7984282
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Libros de gobierno 1676-1679,1689
Family History Library
International Film
269866
7984422
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Libros de gobierno 1684
Family History Library
International Film
269816
7984283
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Libros de gobierno 1685
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269817
7984284
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Libros de gobierno 1686
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269818
7984285
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Libros de gobierno 1687
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269819
7984286
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Libros de gobierno 1691
Family History Library
International Film
269820
7984287
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Libros de gobierno 1692
Family History Library
International Film
269821
7984288
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Libros de gobierno 1693
Family History Library
International Film
269822
7984289
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Libros de gobierno 1694
Family History Library
International Film
269823
7984290
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Libros de gobierno 1695
Family History Library
International Film
269824
7984291
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Libros de gobierno 1696
Family History Library
International Film
269825
7984292
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Libros de gobierno 1697
Family History Library
International Film
269826
7984293
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Libros de gobierno 1698
Family History Library
International Film
269827
7984383
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Libros de gobierno 1699
Family History Library
International Film
269828
7984384
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Libros de gobierno 1700-1701
Family History Library
International Film
269829
7984385
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Libros de gobierno 1702-1703
Family History Library
International Film
269830
7984386
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Libros de gobierno 1704-1705
Family History Library
International Film
269831
7984387
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Libros de gobierno 1706,1668
Family History Library
International Film
269832
7984388
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Libros de gobierno 1707-1708
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269833
7984389
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Libros de gobierno 1708-1709
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269834
7984390
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Libros de gobierno 1710-1712
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269835
7984391
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Libros de gobierno 1713-1714
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269836
7984392
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Libros de gobierno 1715-1717
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269837
7984393
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Libros de gobierno 1718
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269838
7984394
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Libros de gobierno 1719
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269839
7984395
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Libros de gobierno 1720-1721
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269840
7984396
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Libros de gobierno 1722-1723
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269841
7984397
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Libros de gobierno 1724
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269842
7984398
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Libros de gobierno 1725
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269843
7984399
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Libros de gobierno 1726
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269844
7984400
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Libros de gobierno 1727
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269845
7984401
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Libros de gobierno 1728
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269846
7984402
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Libros de gobierno 1729
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269847
7984403
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Libros de gobierno 1730
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269848
7984404
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Libros de gobierno 1731
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269849
7984405
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Libros de gobierno 1732
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269850
7984406
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Libros de gobierno 1733
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269851
7984407
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Libros de gobierno 1734
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269852
7984408
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Libros de gobierno 1735
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269853
7984409
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Libros de gobierno 1736
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269854
7984410
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Libros de gobierno 1737
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269855
7984411
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Libros de gobierno 1738-1739
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269856
7984412
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Libros de gobierno 1740
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269857
7984413
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Libros de gobierno 1741
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269858
7984414
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Libros de gobierno 1742
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269859
7984415
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Libros de gobierno 1743
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269860
7984416
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Libros de gobierno 1744-1745
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269861
7984417
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Libros de gobierno 1746-1747
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269862
7984418
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Libros de gobierno 1748
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269863
7984419
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Libros de gobierno 1749
Family History Library
International Film
269864
7984420
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Libros de gobierno 1750-1752
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
269865
7984421
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Adicionalmente existen tambien documentos de Gobierno eclesiástico en : Diócesis de Michoacán, 1624-1840

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2535

Documentos eclesiásticos : Diócesis de Michoacán, 1624-1840
Authors:
Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Michoacán (México) (Main Author)
Archivo Diocesano de Morelia (Repository)
Archivo Histórico Museo Casa de Morelos (Repository)
Archivo del Arzobispado de Michoacán (Repository)
Format:
Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:
Spanish
Publication:
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Socidad Genealógica de Utah, 1971
Physical:
en 11 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.
References:
(Digital Collection) Mexico, Michoacán, Catholic Church records = México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos : COLLECTION RECORD, 1555-1996
Notes
Mexico, Michoacán, Catholic Church Records are available online, click here.

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Histórico Museo Casa de Morelos, antes Archivo del Arzobispado de Michoacán.

Administrative documents from the Diocese of Michoacan, Mexico.

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Subjects
Locality Subjects
Mexico, Michoacán, Morelia - Church records
Film/Digital Notes
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film DGS Format
Padrón de eclesiásticos de Michoacán, 1804-1840
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
762639
Item 3
4711426
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Gobierno ecleciástico 1624-1669
Family History Library
International B1 High Density
762645
4749651
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1624-1669
Family History Library
International B1 High Density
762646
4749652
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1696-1728
Family History Library
International B1 High Density
762647
4749653
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1695-1708 (incluye Testamentos y Estados)
Family History Library
International B1 High Density
762648
4749654
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1721-1725
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
762649
4749655
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1725-1728
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
762650
4749656
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1728-1729, 1737-1740
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
764157
4726825
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1738-1804, 1740-1763
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
764158
4726826
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1741-1772
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
764159
4726827
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Gobierno eclesiástico 1772-1792
Granite Mountain Record Vault
International Film
764160
4726828
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Son of Francisco Suárez de Ibarra and Isabel Pimentel

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I’m trying to find out if Alferez Real Francisco Suárez y de Ibarra’s and Isabel Pimentel’s son, Miguel, born in 1631, married in 1656 to a woman named Agustina de Zúñiga y Mendoza.

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I see they had kids in Gudalajara, maybe look at their baptisms and see if Francisco and Isabel's relatives or Isabel herself were padrinos. That may help confirm your suspicions.

FYI Isabel died in 1665

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Hi Jesús,

I think this might help:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-34Y8?cat=35680

It lists Miguel de Ibarra Pimentel married to Agustina de Zúñiga y Viscaino as the albacea of Nicolas de Viscaino, his suegro.

Also additional info in Nicolas Viscaino's will:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-3HM2?i=85&cat=356…

Regards,

Richard

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Thank you Richard!!
This is great!! I'm going to read both documents. Do you have any evidence of Miguel's and Agustina's son, Francisco Xavier, born in 1678, married a woman named Lorenza de la Plaza. This would be the last step to proof my direct ancestry to Francisco Suárez de Ibarra.
Thank you vey much!!

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Hello Luigi:
Juan de Ibarra y Pimentel , born 1640, married Teresa de Sabalsa.
His "partida de entierro"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-Q397-2F?i=67&cc=188337…

His "partida de bautismo"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-531H-F?i=102&cc=187459…

Marriage of his daughter:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MNRV-R?i=204&cc=188337…

"Padrino" of Nicolás Salvador de Ibarra,son of Francisco de Ibarra, who I believe is son of Miguel de Ibarra and Agustina Zúñiga VIzcaino.
ttps://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MK9H-73?i=283&wc=M647-4TG%3A17…

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Jesus,

Thank you for this information. I have worked alot on Francisco and Isabel and I could never find any descendants other than their son Francisco. Looks like the family went to Nayarit!

Alex

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Jesus And Alex,

I'm sorry to say I don't have any further information on Miguel's children, but I think the case you presented on another thread is suggestive. If I find anything I will post it!

- Richard

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Published by labananilla – Fri, 2020-06-26 17:25 | Permalink

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Hi!

Sure:

"In Saucedo's chapel, on May the eleventh of 1870, the Pr. Ygnacio Olivares with the license of the parish priest, with the previous matrimonial information and having sent everything else to revise in the Holy Council of Trento, married and (I don't know the translation of "velar", sorry) Dolores Macías and Juana Lozada: godparents Lucas Lechuga and Matiana Macías, witnesses: Leonardo Gutiérrez and Zeferina Díaz, and for the record I signed it with the priest"

hope it helps!

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Jose Dolores Macias is the son of Francisco Macias and Benigna Varela.

Juana Lozano (Losada) (Loza) is the daughter of Francisco Lozano and Maria del Refugio Macias.

Francisco is the son of Juan Crisostomo Losada (Loza) and Clemencia Ríos
Juan Crisostomo Losada (Loza) Is the son of Diego Loza and Maria Petra Rodriguez.

Clemencia Ríos is the daughter of Jose Albino Rios and María Lucia Gonzalez.

María del Refugio is the daughter of Jose Ma. Macias and Ygnacia Viramontes (Miramontes.)

Jose Ma. Macias is the son of Juan Francisco Macias and Ma. Gertrudis de la Luz Silva

Rick A. Ricci

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I have a strong feeling that Jose de Los Dolores Macias is not the biological son of Benigna Varela. The marriage record has her as the mother, but I believe that she is his stepmother. I believe that hiS biological mother is María Candida Guerra. This is only a hypothesis, and more research needs to be done to see if this is true.

Rick A. Ricci

Help reading this record

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Hello everyone!

I need some help reading where the bride and groom are from (Manuel Flores)

Thank you in advance!!

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Thu, 2020-04-16 12:55 | Permalink

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San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2020-04-18 09:49 | Permalink

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I hope this helps you with your research:

Groom : Manuel Flores 18 years old son of Jose Ma. Flores and Vicenta Castillo

Bride: Ma. Estanislao Mariscal 17 years old daughter of Casildo Mariscal and Ma. Catarina Cadena she is originally from Sayula but for the last 7 years she has lived in Tuxcacuesco.

jose casildo mariscal and maria catarina cadena had their marriage on :12 January 1835 in Sayula Jalisco, México

Here are more family members:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/M7Y6-KG7

This may be the groom’s parents:
José María Flores is the son of Luciano Flores and Maria Pascuala Ramirez married 7 May 1792 in Nutra Sra de Gpe., Guadalajara, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

Mineral del Favor

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Hello!

Have you ever heard of a rancho or pueblo called Mineral del Favor? could be in Jalisco or Michoacan,

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Padron Jalostotitlan 1679 page 346 Perez Maldonado- Lomelin for Rick

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The actual original pages are not in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, and according to other posts in this forum the padron is not on family search, however the author tra

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Perez Maldonado

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Hi Everyone

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2019-07-23 10:03 | Permalink

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I would like to clarify that Antonio De la Cadena does not descend from the Gutierrez Cavalleria. He descends from the Cavalleria family, but does not have Gutierrez in his last name. His Cavalleria ancestors are a couple of generations back. Antonio De Saavedra Guzman and his wife were second cousins through their Estrada lines, and distant cousins through their Cavalleria lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2019-07-23 09:51 | Permalink

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Arias De Saavedra descent throughJosefa Perez Maldonado who married Manuel Lomelin and left many descendants in Los Altos De Villanueva, Nueva Galicia [presently known as Los Altos De Jalisco, Jalisco]. The first section that was compiled by Jose De Meza. This tree is based on “el ARBOL GENEALOGICO Y BLASONES DE LA ILUSTRE CASA DE SAAVEDRA HASTA DON FERNAN DE SAAVEDRA, POR RODRIGO MENDEZ SILVA, CORONISTA GENERAL DE SU MAGESTAD CATOLICA EN ESTOS REINOS DE ESPAÑA, Y MINISTRO DEL SUPREMO CONSEJO DE CASTILLA, 25.9.1653”. I compiled the second section of this line staring from (27.)

Josefa Perez Maldonado is my and my wife’s tenth great-grandmother. This line that I show here goes to my wife’s grandfather, Francisco A. Tostado y Casillas

I still need to review every step to confirm this work. I added a correction as to the ancestry of the Martel as the evidence points not to French royalty as many genealogists claim, but to French Jewish ancestry.
Rick A. Ricci.

1.) FERRANDO FERRÁNDEZ DE SAAVEDRA (vivió por el año 698, +711)
Conde de los Patrimonios de Galicia y fundador del Castillo de Eris, en el coto de Saavedra (Lugo)
Sirvió con y murió Rodrigo, rey de los Visgodos y murió en la batalla de Guadalete (711) en la
ILDUARA ARIAS
Señora del Castillo de Arias
Descendiente de Aria Miro, Rey Suevo de Galicia (año 580)
Hijos:
Sorred Fernández, Señor de Sotomayor (progenitor de los Sotomayor)
Arias Fernández, I Señor de la casa Saavedra
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2.) ARIAS FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Capitán del Rey Don Pelayo (año 718)
MARCIA LUCIDA DE RIVADENEIRA
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3.) LUCIDO ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Sirvió a Fernando I (años 740)
OURANA FERRÁNDEZ DE TEMEZ
Del Tronco de la Gran Casa de Cordova
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4.) ARIAS LUCIDO DE SAAVEDRA
Conde
BRUNILDE
Hija del Infante Don Aldegasto o Aldegaster
Nieta de D. Silo y Adosinda, Reyes de León
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5.) LUCIDO ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Ricohombre, Conde de la Comarca del Miño
Sirvió a los Reyes de León, Ramiro I, Ordoño y Alonso III
ERMESENDA DE FIGUEROA
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6.) ALOYTO LUCIDO DE SAAVEDRA
Señor del Solar de Saavedra, Conde
Capitán del Rey Ramiro II de León (años 942)
ADOSINDA GUTIERREZ
Hermana de San Rosendo, Obispo de Dume, Mondoñedo y Santiago
Hija de los Condes de Eminio, de la sangre Real de los Godos
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7.) ARIAS ALOYTEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Conde y Capitan General de los Reyes Ramiro II y Ordoño III
Pertiguero de la Iglesia y Convento de Zelanova, Justicia mayor
SANCHA GONÇALEZ DE LOBERA
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8.) FERNANDO ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Ricohome del Rey Sancho I – Merino mayor en Galicia (años 965)
ERMESENDA ARIAS
Señora de las Villas de Bobeda y Checin
Solar y Casa en Castro Sirgado
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9.) ALOYTO FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home y Mayordomo Mayor de Bermudo II de León
URRACA LOPEZ DE LEMOS
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10.) ARIAS FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Sirvió heroicamente a Bermudo II, Alonso V y Fernando I el Magno
GUDIÑA ORDOÑEZ
Hermana del Conde D. Ero Ordoñez, fundador del
Monasterio de San Salvador de Chantada
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11.) FERNAN ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Gran Valido de Don García, Rey de Galicia y Portugal,
hijo de Don Fernando I y Doña Sancha
TERESA MENDEZ SORRED DE SOTOMAYOR
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12.) PAYO FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de Alonso VI de Castilla y León
(murió en la conquista de Toledo)
ANALSA PEREZ DE MIRANDA
Hija del Conde de Bavia y Tineo y de Maria Froylan, de la Casa Real
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13.) PEDRO ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Caballero muy poderoso en Galicia
Rico-Home, Señor de Deza
SEÑORINA SUAREZ DEZA
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14.) ARIAS PEREZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de Castilla
Murió en el sitio de Coria (1142)
TERESA FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO
De la Gran Casa de Castro, hija de Don Fernando, Infante de Navarra y de Doña Maria Alvarez Minaya, Señor del Solar y Villa de Castro-Xeriz, hija del Conde y Rico-Home Alvar Fañez Minaya, primo dos veces del Cid Ruy Diaz de Vivar
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15.) FERNAN ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Capitán de la gente de Galicia en la conquista de Almería, Alcayde de Compostela
TERESA BERMUDEZ DE TRAVA
Hija del Conde de Trastamara y de Urraca Enriquez, hermana del Rey Alonso Enriquez de Portugal. Teresa fue nieta de Alonso VI de Castilla y de Don Enrique Conde de Portugal, nieto de Roberto, Duque de Borgoña, hijo de Roberto el Deseado, Cristianísimo Rey de Francia. Novena nieta del Rey Don Fruela I de León.
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16.) PEDRO ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home y Mayordomo Mayor de Fernando II de León
TERESA OSORIO
Señora del Estado de Villalobos
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17.) FERNAN PEREZ DE SAAVEDRA
Con su padre y hermano en la Batalla de las Navas de Tolosa
MAYOR GOMEZ DE AGONÇILLO Y AÇAGRA
Hija del Alferez Mayor de Sancho VII el Fuerte de Navarra
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18.) PEDRO FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de D. Alonso de León
Con Fernando III en la conquista de Baeza (1227)
JUANA DE SOTOMAYOR
Hija del progenitor de la Casa de Sotomayor
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19.) ALFONSO PEREZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de Castilla. Estuvo con Fernando III en las conquistas de
Sevilla, Córdoba, Jaen y otras de la Andalucía.
MAYOR LOPEZ DE ULLOA
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20.) ALFONSO LOPEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Estuvo en la conquista de Sevilla. Rico-Home de Castilla (1290)
JUANA DE VILLAMAYOR
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21.) ALONSO FERNANDEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de Fernando IV y Alfonso XI de Castilla
Adelantado Mayor del Reyno de Murcia, Alcalde Mayor de Sevilla
JUANA MANRIQUE DE LARA
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22.) JUAN GARCIA DE SAAVEDRA
Rico-Home de Castilla, Caballero de la Banda
MARIA LOPEZ PACHECO DE VILLALOBOS
Hija del Señor de Ferreira, Rico-Home de Portugal
Biznieta de Sancho IV de Castilla
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23.) FERNAN YAÑEZ DE SAAVEDRA
Doncel del rey Don Pedro, Camarero de Juan I y Enrique III
VIOLANTE PAEZ DE CASTRO
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24.) FERNAN D’ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA
24 de Sevilla. I Señor del Viso y Castellar. Alcayde de Cañete la Real
LEONOR MARTEL (hija de familia judía de Francia, pero presumían ser de la casa real de francia)
Hijos:
Fernán Arias de Saavedra (+1410)
Juan Arias de Saavedra (+1458)
Gonzalo Arias de Saavedra (+1475) Mariscal y Comendador de Castilla
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25.) Juan Arias De Saavedra y Martel (+1458)
II señor de las villas del Castellar y el Viso, fundador de estos mayorazgos, vasallo del rey y alfaqueque mayor de Castilla. Alcayde de Jimena de la Frontera
JUANA DE AVELLANEDA Y FAJARDO
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26.) FERNAN ARIAS DE SAAVEDRA Y DE AVELLANEDA (+1496)
III Señor de Castellar
(1 oo 1469) CONSTANZA PONCE DE LÉON Y GONZALEZ DE OVIEDO
Hijo: D. Juan Arias de Saavedra (+h. 1540)
Hija : Dª María de Ayala casada con D. Alonso de Zayas
Hija : Dª Juana de Avellaneda casada con D. Diego Ortiz de Guzmán

[ ***(2ª matrimonio) Dª LEONOR ORTIZ DE GUZMÁN (hermana del yerno D.Diego Ortiz) de este segundo matrimonio nació
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27.) Hijo: Don Fernan Darias de Saavedra que casó con Dª Catalina de Guzmán (descendiente del Duque de Medina Sidonia ) Don Fernan Darias de Saavedra y Dª Catalina de Guzmán are parents of
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28.) Luis de Guzman Saavedra (encomendero de Tilaltongo) married Marina Estrada (daughter of tesorero real y Gobernador Alonso Estrada, self declared, and presumed during his lifetime, son of king Ferdinand II) and they are the parents of
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29.) Juan De Saavedra de Guzman married Regina De la Cadena Sotomayor (daughter of Antonio De la Cadena, alcalde mayor y ordinario, factor y tesorero de la Real Hacienda, alcalde de Mesta, propietario de minas de plata. Antonio descends from the Cavalleria line that can be traced to the Davidic Jewish ancestral line over two thousand years) Juan Saavedra Guzman and Regina De la Cadena Sotomayor are the parents of
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30.) Antonio De Saavedra Guzman, historían and poet. (He wrote “El peregrino indiano” ) Antonio Saavedra Guzman married his second cousin, doña Catalina de Villafañe y Alvarado, daughter of don Juan de Villafañe Carvajal Mendoza, encomendero de Teocalhueyacan. They were second cousins through their Estrada lines and distant cousins through their De Cavalleria lines. Antonio Saavedra Guzman and Catalina de Villafañe y Alvarado are the parents of
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31.) Juan de Saavedra Guzman who was married twice, first to Maria De Monroy y Flores, and secondly to Ines Brenes y Mendoza. (Juan Saavedra Guzman is a distant cousin to his second wife through their Mendoza ancestral lines). The second wife, Inés Brenes y Hurtado de Mendoza, was her step- mother). Juan Saavedra Guzman and Maria De Monroy y Flores are the parents of
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32.) Isabel Saavedra Monroy (aka Isabel Monroy) who married Diego Perez-Maldonado. In one marriage dispensation, Diego is mistakenly named as Luis. In another marriage dispensation, the step-mother is erroneously named as mother to Isabel Saavedra y Monroy. In one of the marriage dispensations an ancestral line is given that possibly leads to a third descent from Alonso Estrada through a third daughter of his that is married to Francisco Vasquez. This possibility is still in the research stage and more documentation is needed before making this claim. Isabel Saavedra Monroy and Diego Perez-Maldonado are the parents of at least four: Josefa Perez-Maldonado, Juan Perez -Maldonado, Angela Perez-Maldonado and Luis Perez -Maldonado.
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33.) Josefa Perez-Maldonado b. 1649 married Manuel Lomelin.
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34.) Margarita Lomelin m. 1685 married Alonso Franco De Paredes
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35.) Ildefonso (Alonso) Franco De Paredes b.1704 married Ma. Catarina Valdivia Alderete de la Mora
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36.) Ma. Phelipa Franco De Paredes b. 1735 married Juan De Santa Rosa Casillas
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37.) Francisco De Los Santos Casillas b. 1750 married Rita Margarita Gonzalez
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38.) Jose Mateo Manuel Casillas b.1805 married Ma. De la Asumpcion Robledo
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39.) Camilo del Carmen Casillas c.1843 married to Ma. Del Refugio Gutiérrez
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40.) Victoria “Josefa” Casillas b. 1873 married to Jose Marcelino Alvarez-Tostado
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41.) Francisco A. Tostado b. 1910 married María de La Paz Gutierrez

Gregorio Casal was baptized José de Jesús Casillas Rábago. Gregorio Casal was his stage name. He and his brother, Mario Casillas, were famous Mexican actors They also descend from (38.)Jose Mateo Manuel Casillas.
Gregorio and Mario are third cousins of my father-in-law, and third cousins-once removed of my father.

Rick A. Ricci
Source My book Mygenes2000

Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2019-07-19 05:21 | Permalink

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Many years ago a drawing was being passed around as the image of Martin Casillas “el Alarife”. It turns out that the image was really of another one of my ancestors Antonio Saavedra Guzman, an historian and poet. Antonio Saavedra Guzman is the maternal grandfather of Josefa and Angela Perez Maldonado.

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:El_peregrino_indiano_Texto_impr…

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

Published by R.A.Ricci – Thu, 2019-07-18 10:29 | Permalink

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I descend from Josefa Perez Maldonado and Manuel Lomelin. Josefa Perez Maldonado is the daughter of Isabel Saavedra Monroy and ? Pérez Maldonado. In the record that I show here it lists her father as Luis Perez Maldonado. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6D92-M7?i=1069&cc=1874…

I believe that some of the confusion regarding whether the father’s name is Luis or Diego is that there were two “Luis Perez Maldonado”, father and son, and the elder Luis is the son of a Diego Perez Maldonado.

Isabel Saavedra y Monroy is the daughter of Juan Saavedra Guzman who descends from Alonso Estrada el tesorero, (who claimed to be son of King Ferdinand II el catolico) through two of his daughters as again we find endogamy in the family. Juan Saavedra Guzman also descends from King Pedro “el cruel” Rey De Castilla.

There is also some confusion over Isabel Saavedra y Monroy’s mother as her father was married twice. I am unsure as to which wife is her mother though I suspect that it is the one with the surname Monroy. Even though the record names her mother as the second wife, it gives Isabel’s surname as Saavedra y Monroy which would make her the biological daughter of the first wife, Maria De Monroy y Flores, and step daughter to the second wife, Ines Brenes y Mendoza.

Here is the record which shows Diego Perez Maldonado as the husband of Isabel Saavedra y Monroy.: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV96-M5?i=51&cc=1874591

Josefa Perez Maldonado’s brother, Juan Perez Maldonado’s baptismal record shows his father’s name as Diego Perez Maldonado.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DV96-71?i=54&cc=1874591

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

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Thank you so much for sharing so much info. I see now that the orden of Juan Perez Maldonado offers so much information including his baptismal record.

My mom is in Mexico at the moment and I gave her a list of books to find for me, with this info you have so kindly provided I know where to focus my research for now :)

On another note, I was going through the padron from Jalostotitlan offered in the book Historia de Nuestra Senora de San Juan Los Lagos and this is further proof to me than Angela, Juan & Josepha were siblings, since Angela is listed with her husband Bernabe Martin (del Campo) living with Do Perez Maldonado and Isabel de Saavedra, below are Manuel de Lomelin & Josepha Perez I will attach it to a new post, since I can't seem to do it here.

Angela Perez Maldonado's daughter Isabel was baptized by Juan Perez Maldonado in Ameca in 1702 (family search ID MTCX-G3P) and the baptismal records names her mother's name is Angela Garcia Maldonado, as well as the padron. However, on her death record she is named Angela Perez M.

I can't speculate as to why Garcia, but it may seem that their great grandmother Ana Garcia de Miranda was an important person

Thanks again for all you bring to this forum, I am lucky to be related to you

Cheers

Tierras y aguas, 1584-1866 I need help figuring oot all of it

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Como muchoas ya han de saber, todos los libros de las Tierras y Aguas sobre las propiedadades están disponibles digitalmente para poderlos consultar/As you might already know, all the books from Tierr

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Sanchez / Sepulveda help transcribing

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Could someone please transcribe the attached text after the entry of Manuel Sanchez and Juliana Sepulveda in this civel birth registration. Manuel and Juliana are the "grandparents"

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Published by M_Sagrario.Bel… – Thu, 2019-06-27 16:37 | Permalink

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This is what I see...

"Manuel Sanchez y Juliana Sepulveda ya finados. Fueron testigos Esteban Treviño y Guadalupe ... mayores de edad y vecinos de esta...firmaron conmigo..."

Sorry, that's as much as I could make out. I hope this helps. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks.

Slavery in Tlaltenango

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I recently came across this Baptism entry in which the child is mentioned to be slave of Balthazar Correa.

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Published by andrea_e – Wed, 2019-04-10 01:52 | Permalink

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In general, from my own experience reading through the Tlaltenango films, I've seen far more people classified as mulatos libres than esclavos. But they do exist.

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Hola a todos:

En el blog "historias y recuerdos de Encarnación" del Arq. Rodolfo Hernéndez hay un capítulo sobre los esclavos en la zona y en dicho artículo se cita el trabajo de los investigadores que han recopilado las listas y lugares en donde hubieron esclavos, como Celina Guadalupe Becerra.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Thank you so much for this blog, it was a great blog for historical information. A lot of my ancestors on my mothers side are named in this blog and I had no clue until I read it. Is this a blog only or was this printed into a book as well? I would love to read more about Los Altos Jalisco, do you know if there are books or blogs with this information? I notice mention of “el rancho viejo” in the blog and on my fathers side, my 5x great grandfather was from there Rafael Hernández Montes but he was a mulato and was married to María Josefa Hernández Mesa mulata of Tarimoro. On my fathers side a lot of my ancestors were from Tarimoro and I know there was an hacienda there but can’t find much information about the hacienda and the owners.

Thank you,
Esther

Published by gusmeza – Tue, 2019-04-09 08:39 | Permalink

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Depending upon what year it was corresponding to the record you submitted, the Balthazar Correa who is named might very well be my Grandmother's first husband's Great Great Grandfather whose name was Miguel Castañeda Correa. Balthazar de los Reyes Correa was married to Maria Magdalena de Avila in Tlaltenango in 1737. I made the following note taken from a baptism where they are referred to as a couple: "Don Baltazar Correa and his wife Doña Maria Magdalena de Avila are named in the baptism of their grandson Lugardo Gonzalez Correa in Tapias, Zacatecas, close to Atolinga, Zacatecas" . Regardless if this is the same Balthazar Correa, slavery as unfortunate as it may be was not uncommon in the region. You'll find many of us share ancestors in the Tlaltenango region who were slaveowners. And you'll also find many who will trace their roots to slaves and thus are part of our heritage.

Other references to slaves are found in many of the older Tlaltenango census lists as well.

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As I mentioned there are several of us that I am aware from this region whose descendants owned slaves, my own included. And I have at least one descendant who was identified as a free slave leading to Tlaltenango from Guadalajara in about the year 1700. May I say my reply to your question regarding the existence of slavery in this region was to inform that the practice was a historical reality. I also realize many, especially those new to genealogy of relatives in Mexico are not aware that slavery existed there.

I am hoping you understand that providing information I have to identify families who owned slaves in my opinion would serve no good purpose and whose motives could easily and understandably be misinterpreted.

Respectfully submitted

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I sincerely believe that not providing information to identify families who owned slaves in the region is worst than identifying them.

We need to come to terms with our past even if that involves slavery. Slaves were people who found themselves de humanized as property, burying that in the past will only make the injustice greater.

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i agree. i always identify slave owning families and post the information on my tree whether i'm related to them or not. knowing who the slave owning families are helps others in their search for ancestors. there's no logical reason for not providing the information.

Danny

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