Saludos, I am Helping someone for the past weeks, who is searching for her father Jose Serna b. 1920 who lived in the USA but he was from Mexico.
Buen día , busco referencias de la familia Plascencia, la rama mas alta de mi árbol es Franco. (Francisco) Plascencia casado con Juana Fabiana de Alcalá del Castillo.
Hola-
La siguiente cita es para la partida de matrimonio de Francisco Javier Plascencia con Juana Fabiana de Álcala, quienes casaron el 15 de agosto de 1754, en Jalostotitlán. El es hijo de Antonia Plascencia y padre no conocido y ella hija de don Andrés de Álcala, ya difunto, y María Gómez.
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYZ1-T?cc=1874591&wc=3J4P-… : 28 June 2014), Jalostotitlán > Nuestra Señora de la Asunción > Matrimonios 1748-1768 > image 124 of 723; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
El árbol genealógico de Juana Fabiana se encuentra en el siguiente sitio:
https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Alcal%C3%A1-Family-Tree-78
Saludos
Austin Pérez
Muchas gracias de verdad por tu información, Austin Pérez (familias_bajio), me gustaría saber si tienes más información acerca de Antonia Plascencia, ya que no he encontrado ni en Wikitree, Familysearch e incluso en el libro de "Retoños de nueva España en Nueva Galicia", muchas gracias de nuevo.
Lo lamento, pero no tengo mas información de Antonia de Plascencia.
Muchas gracias por tu aportación, de igual forma seguiré buscando hoja por hoja en los registros, saludos, de nuevo muchas gracias por tu tiempo.
When a marriage record say this "Ambos dispensados por el Sr. Provisor en este Obispado en la nominacion conciliar" Does it mean that there is a marriage dispensation?
Así es colega, los curas casi siempre notaban en los registros matrimoniales parroquiales si fuesen dispensados y en que grado por consanguinidad o afinidad.
Un saludo,
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Por desgracias las dispensas de 1827 no existen microfilmada en la seccion del Sagrario de Guadalajara, busque en el apartado de Diocesis de Guadalajara en los 4 catalogos que hay y no encontre nada, lo malo que ahi son de todo el obispado.
Yes, there should be a marriage dispensation on record.
I wish you luck finding it. Sometimes it takes a long time to track down such records. In this case it states that the Sr Provisor approved the dispensation so I would first check the city where the bishop resided.
Rick A. Ricci
Alguien sabe por que no aparece Jalostotitlan en la lista de pueblos del Censo de 1930?
gracias.
Hello,
Hi Vanessa,
At WikiTree each person's profile includes "Sources", e.g.:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hurtado_de_Mendoza-10
You can find in "Sources" the record of his defunction and a Dispensa showing some blood relationships.
Checking the sources on each profile you can form an opinion about how trustworthy the family tree could be.
Profiles and sources are entered by volunteers as the result of their own resarch.
Ancestry DNA username for comparison is Vanessa Lopez.
I was hoping that someone within this community may have some more information on this family pre-1850s.
There is a good chance this is the chiristening record of Pedro:
Name: Pedro Nolasco de la Pas
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 25 Feb 1810
Event Place: Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1810
Mother's Name: Agapita de la Pas
Maternal Grandfather's Name: Mariano de la Pas
Maternal Grandmother's Name: Tomaza Flores
GS Film Number: 634027
Digital Folder Number: 004739971
Image Number: 00548
Citing this Record:
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ND1R-5V8 : 28 July 2015), Pedro Nolasco de la Pas, 25 Feb 1810; citing Baptism, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 634,027.
The records states hijo legitimo by mistake. There are no father or paternal grandparents listed.
Thanks so much! That's the best discovery I've had for getting further information on Pedro García.
The birthdate is a bit off from what I found in his marriage record... He was married on 19 November 1834, with his age listed as 22, which would make is birth year 1812 - but it says 1810 here, is it common for the age on the marriage record to be a bit off/an error?
This is common. This is not unique to records from Mexico, for example it happens often in US census records.
George
Is there any reason a different, new last name (Nolasco) would have popped up here? In all of his children's records he is listed as Pedro Garcia (even hough he was hijo natural) and on the baptism as de La Paz.
Thanks for the tips.
I went page by page and found the marriage record for Pedro García and Maria Refugio Aguilera, and found out Pedro was "hijo natural" not "hijo legitimo" of Lorenzo García. Perhaps this is one reason why it's been so difficult to find records?
Thanks!
Here is a marriage record that may help you.
Nepomuceno Aguilera
mentioned in the record of Nepomuceno Aguilera and Rosa De Aguilera
Name Nepomuceno Aguilera
Spouse's Name Rosa De Aguilera
Event Date 24 Oct 1809
Event Place Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDQ-NXD : 15 July 2015), Nepomuceno Aguilera and Rosa De Aguilera, 24 Oct 1809; citing Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 639,759.
Hijos Naturals are harder for two main reasons:
1. Usually, baptism records of Hijos Naturals do not list the names of the grandparents, while most baptism records of legitimate children. In some cases, even the father isn't listed.
2. No marriage record. If I child is a Hijo Natural, then there's no marriage record. Marriage records list the name of the bride and groom and where they were born or are living at.
Not all of the Teocaltiche church records (baptisms and marriages) have been extracted. You can check which ones by looking up Teocaltiche in the Family Search catalog. If these films cover a critical time period in your research you will need to look at these films page by page. They are, however, all online at Family Search.
George Fulton
They are also all named in a baptismal record for Maria Ruperta Garcia.
Maria Ruperta Garcia Aguilera
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 27 Mar 1850
Event Place Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Female
Birth Date 24 Mar 1850
Birthplace Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Pedro Garcia
Mother's Name Maria del Refugio Aguilera
Paternal Grandfather's Name Lorenzo Garcia
Paternal Grandmother's Name. Maria Agapita de la Pas
Maternal Grandfather's Name. Juan Nepomuceno Aguilera
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria Rosa Aguilera
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKZH-GDQH : 28 July 2015), Agapita de la Pas in entry for Maria Ruperta Garcia, 27 Mar 1850; citing Baptism, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 638,75
Family search link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57G-PP?mode=g&i=200&cc=18…
Searching for marriage information on Maria Ruperta Garcia y Aguilera may provide more clues.
The padrinos may also provide clues: Anto (Antonio) Gutierrez and Juana Aguilera
Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci
I have messaged others, but either I have had something go wrong with my browser, or there is not a simple inbox for messages between members.
Thanks.
I get that error everytime and I don't think the email messaging works. Ive sent several emails to people and ive never gotten a response and I tried it once to someone that I communicate with through regular email and asked them and they never got it so i don't think it works.
Danny C. Alonso
Hi Everyone,
Here's the dispensation record for Diego de Estrada II and Sebastiana Montaño dated 1724.
Dear Joe,
This document helps a lot.
Thank you for your work and for sharing,
Rick A. Ricci
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this person or persons.
Hi All,
Francisco Javier Plascencia y Juana Fabiana de Alcalá