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Does anyone have any good resources for research in the areas of Ocotlan/Tototlan/Jamay/La Barca Jalisco? Any good book recommendations, online resources, or research tips/ideas?

I am using FamilySearch, of course, as well as Ancestry.com. I have to admit that I'm not the most well-informed, expert user at FamilySearch, however. It seems to me that the Ocotlan records, for example, are not completely indexed but I'm not 100% sure because I have gotten some hints (shaky leaves) on Ancestry for records there. It's been frustrating, to say the least. Does anyone know the actual situation? Are the records fully indexed? If not, any idea when they will be? I'm considering slogging through the digitized records page by page to find my ancestors.

These are surnames I'm researching in the areas in case anyone else here is also researching any of these families in the areas mentioned. (By the way, this list has grown over the last twelve months --I've been able to learn a lot more about my family since I joined here a year ago):

Aceves, Baca, Cabeza de Baca, Carrillo, Castellanos, Cuebas (Cuevas), Franco, Gonzales, Jimenes, (de la) Mora, Navarro, Orosco, Padilla, Perez, Ruiz, Sagu, Vargas, Velasco, Zalasar

My family tree on Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/45945422/family

Have a great weekend!

Cynthia Barela
genie_research@gmail.com

My name is Josie Plascencia and I'm a new member to Nuestrosranchos. I have been researching for about a year the following surnames: in Jalisco... Plascencia, Rubalcava, Nunez, Ponce, Gutierrez, Ulloa, Ledesma... in Nochistlan, Sandoval, Corona, Melendres, among many more.

Currently I am researching the Rubalcava and Placencia's from Cuquio (1700's). Does anybody have information on Maria Castaneda married to Pedro de Placencia. Their son Jose Francisco Placencia (bap: 2-7-1763) married Josefa de Robalcava on 1-22-1783 daughter of Francisco de Robalcava and Maria Francisca Sanchez. Is it possible that Maria Castaneda and Pedro de Placencia married in Aguascalientes?

Hola Primos,
I am sharing some observations and opinions, feel free to comment or not.
•The searching is painstakingly tedious.
Q: Do I hear a no scheisse?
•The church records are as frustrating as they are informative. There are notations by the visiting Bishops to the parish of Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores, where they state their disappointment with the sloppy record keeping by the parish priests. The priests failure to follow the standards for record keeping included failure to register events within a set number of days, so I have found incorrect surnames and genders. They also abbreviated entries omitting maiden names and names of paternal and maternal grandparents, essentially ending any further progress along that family line.
Q: Has anybody else encountered the same problem? Did you overcome it?
•Although the church indexed entries by first name in alphabetical order, starting with the first name, the entry number rarely, if ever, corresponds to the photo image number created by FamilySearch.
Q: Does anybody read the indexes to find a relative?
•Photocopied books are listed by groups of years, but it’s all trial and error trying to find a relative that isn’t already in the Fam.Search system.
Q: Anybody have a simple systematic way to find a relative? (Duh!)
•There are multiple copies of the same data, copies either due to the poor state of the originals or bad penmanship, ?Quien sabe?. It is frustrating to search the same data twice.
Q: No question, just whining.
•The older archaic entries are heavily abbreviated and often lack the year, which you will need to locate in the beginning of the year or month.
Q: Is there a list or a tutorial to help read and translate these archaic entries?
•I’ve noticed there was a lot of emphasis on class, individuals were listed as: Espanoles, Indios, or Mestizos. I know there are about 12 different class names, like Lobo. Some women were listed as Donella, but not all.
Q: Does this mean virgin or is it a class distinction?

Me encontre esta Fe de Matrimonio de septiembre de 1644 en San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durango para Antonio Sanches De Aldana y Luisa De La Rua.
1. Luisa Aldana De la Rua casada con Francisco Noriega Najera el 4 noviembre 1668 en San Juan Bautista De Analco,Victoria De Durango.
1.1 Francisca Noriega Aldana (23 octubre 1672, El Sagrario Metropolitano,Victoria De Durango) casada el 11 febrero 1703 en El Sagrario Metropolitano,Victoria De Durango con Francisco Xavier Romero.

El evento segun entiendo se lleva acabo en La Hacienda de La Punta, Durango. En el segundo parafo de la foja se menciona que Antonio Sanches era "español natural del Valle de Santa Barbara" ¿alguien sabe a qué área geográfica pertenece este lugar ahora?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6FH9-FFH?mode=g&cc=1554576

Hola , existe alguna propuesta de proyecto para estudios de ADN, con precio especial para éste próximo 2017, gracias

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

on this marriage for Claudio colunga can someon tell me what the word is
after claudio's first name. it looks like obpo. it's also after the first
name of the father of the bride.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGS-FSV

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Does anyone have any information on Onofre de Villalobos that was married
to Isabel Carrillo? They were probly born around 1730. I found a couple
Onofre de Villaloboses but none that are married to Isabel Carrillo. Also
If anyone knows about her thatd be good too. Thank you.

Danny C. Alonso

Estimados primos!!
Estoy en busca de un cupon de descuento para las pruebas de ADN de familythreeDNA.

Si alguien pudiera ser tan amable de proporcionarme un código se los agradeceria mcuho.

De antemano muchas muchas gracias!!

ANGIE WROTE:

He married (1) on 10 Jul 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico Juana Anttonia ROMERO RAMIREZ, christened 5 Jul 1733 in San
Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of FRANCISCO XAVIER ROMERO
and Maria de la Trinidad RAMIREZ; (2) on 24 Oct 1752 in San Luis,
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Antonia Marcela DE RESA.> iv. Mathias
MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 28 Dec 1724 in San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico.> v. Pedro MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 Mar 1728 in
San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> vi. Juan de Dios Joseph MARQUES
RAMIREZ, christened 9 Apr 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico.> vii. Rosalia MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 J
an 1737

Hi Angie,

Do you have any more information on the Francisco Xavier ROMERO
family? I have traced my Romero's back to Serapio Romero, b. about
1820 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco who married Petra Pena. I'm
looking for his parents and where they came from. My GEDCOM is
listed in Ranchos.

Linda Romero

Hello,

I haven't posted here for a long time, but seems like a good time to check in again. I usually devote the last three months of the year to researching my mother's ancestry which goes back to Jalisco. I joined Nuestros Ranchos last year around this time for that very reason.

Since last year, I've made some small progress in my research, so I've updated a couple of my files. One area where I've made some small, tiny, baby steps is in trying to break down the biggest brick wall in my research. This would be the mystery that is (was) my maternal grandfather who abandoned his family in the early to mid 1940s. I have recorded all I have been able to learn about him, and while I don't expect anyone will either recognize him or necessarily be connected to me, I do welcome all suggestions for how to proceed in my research on him. I posted a document with all I know about him. You can take a look at my files here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/CindyF

Also, I've been able to obtain a DNA sample from my mother's brother, hoping the Y-dna test (37 markers) would generate some leads on my mysterious grandfather, but so far nothing very helpful has come from it. (Haplogroup R-M269)

And lastly, while my Spanish has improved a lot over the last year yet I still struggle with reading and understanding many old church and civil records. So, I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to take a look at this birth record and give me a translation? It is the one on top of right page, number 185:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ9-PGS?mode=g&i=894&cc=1…

Many thanks in advance to anyone that might be able to help me out with the translation or any other insights on my files. If you prefer to send the translation offlist, my email is genie_research@hotmail.com.

Best regards,

Cynthia Barela

Hola a todos:

Encontré que mi abuela "Rita" Magdaleno cambió su nombre, en realidad se llamaba María Michaela.

Se bautizó el 12 de marzo de 1740 con el nombre de María Michaela.

México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBMH-2LB : 2 January 2015), Ma. Michaela Magdaleno Vrsua, 12 Mar 1740; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220,643.

Luego se casó con el nombre de "Rita" el 26 de febrero de 1776.

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXJ-898 : 15 July 2015), Joseph Raphael Valdes and Maria Rita Magdaleno, 26 Feb 1776; citing Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,516.

Al bautizar a su hijo José Manuel Leonardo utilizó el nombre de María Michaela.

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ1S-ZXZ : 12 December 2014), Maria Michaela Magdaleno in entry for Jose Manl. Leonardo Valdes Magdaleno, 08 Jan 1781; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch

Al bautizar a sus demás hijos vuelve a utilizar el nombre de "Rita".

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRKP-WRN : 12 December 2014), Maria Rita Magdaleno in entry for Jph. Julio Valdes Magdaleno, 29 Dec 1779; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYTX-HM3 : 12 December 2014), Maria Rita Magdaleno in entry for Maria Anta Lauriana Baldes Magdaleno, 14 Jul 1782; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1G5-LGM : 12 December 2014), Rita Magdaleno in entry for Maria Thereza Baldes Magdaleno, 19 Oct 1783; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.

Entonces la descendencia de Rita se relacio0na con la ascendencia de Juan José Magdaleno de Mendoza y de Juana Baptista Ursúa.

Sobre Rafael Valdés, marido de "Rita" no encontré sus ascendientes.

Saludos.

Marcelina

Hola amigos, parientes y paisanos, hay alguien que tenga por ancestro a Manuel González de Hermosillo quién caso en Aguascalientes el 7 de Febrero de 1912 con Dña catarina Romo de Vivar y Villalobos, hija de Nicolas Romo de Vivar y Tizcareño y Maria de Villalobos de la Cruz, necesito los nombres de los padres de él Contrayente, por favor algún documento, dónde apraecan los nombres paternos., saludos y mil gracias, queda la moneda en el aire.

According to DNA study a person who is descendent directlly to Maria Cid Caldera and Miguel Caldera matched with my DNA the Sanchez-Castellanos.

I can not connect the Caldera with Sanchez-Castellanos but DNA said the true.

Estimados Miembros,

Lamento compartirles que hoy falleció Rafael Tovar de Teresa, hermano de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, fallecido miembro de Nuestros Ranchos.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/cultura/2016/12/10/perfil-rafael…

No sé qué efecto tenga esto sobre la publicación de documentos inéditos de Don Guillermo.

Saludos,

Sergio Salés

I am truly amazed and extremely glad for those members that have had numerous responses and help answering their pleas for help.

I have not been as lucky finding a primo o prima with a shared ancestor, although Linda and Manny were very supportive.
Alas, I cross my fingers, as I request if any NR member has family in Teocaltiche that might be willing to help locate family living there now. I tried looking up a Mexican version of White Pages and got zilch.

I wish everyone Joyous Holidays, and don't forget to honor those unique traditons we inherited from our ancestors. This is the year I'm making tamales. Hay Dios Mio!!

Gracias,
HDC

Hola a todos,

Quiero anunciarles que hace un mes estrené mi blog de Genealogía, esta es la dirección de la página:
www.historiasygenealogia.com

Ha tenido una buena recepción en redes sociales y quería compartirlo con ustedes. Esta semana y la pasada publiqué dos artículos sobre la Historia de la Familia Agraz y en ella vienen incluidas brevemente las historias de apellidos que antes se han abordado en este foro: Ramírez de Prado, Brambila, de la Cueva, García de Alba, etc.

También incluyo algunos temas curiosos de Historia en general, la próxima semana publicaré un artículo muy interesante sobre la minería en Nueva España. Si quieren seguir las publicaciones pueden darle like en la página oficial de Facebook Historias y Genealogía.
https://www.facebook.com/historiasygenealogia/

Les dejo un link de otro artículo que ha gustado bastante,
http://www.historiasygenealogia.com/10-razones-por-las-que-debes-empren…

Muchas gracias por su tiempo y su colaboración en todos estos años para mi investigación genealógica,

Enrique Salvador Agraz Villarreal

My mother's DNA results came in and I was in utter shock to see her results. I am well-aware of the Spanish conquering Mexico and the Burburs and Moors taking over the southern part of Spain that is now referred to as Andalucia. So when I took a DNA test, I wasn't shocked to see that I was 38% Iberian, 33% Native American and 10% Middle Eastern (only 6% Italian/Greek). However, my mother's DNA results stated that she was 34% Native American, 33% Italian/Greek and only 14% Iberian.

I know that I am related to Carlos Lomelini on one of my lines but that still wouldn't account for 33% Italian/Greek. I have tracked all my maternal grandparents up to the fifth generation (I have further lines on some branches) into the early 1700s and they were all born in Jalisco.

Can anyone give me any insight on this? Does anyone else know of Italian ancestry in Jalisco during or beyond this time frame?

Thanks,
Vanessa

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Mi mama tomo una prueba de ADN y la informaccion dijo que era 33% Italiana/Griega. He encontrado todos mis abuelos maternos hasta la quinta generacion pero todos ellos nacieron en Jalisco.

Alguien puede dar me un idea de los Italianos en Jalisco durante y antes del principio de los 1700s? Yo se que Carlos Lomelini es uno de mis abuelos maternos pero el no puede dar cuenta de 33% del ADN de mi mama.

Gracias,
Vanessa

Is there a list of the available Mexico records for Ancestry.com by
state, municipality, year, etc? Do they offer the actual images or
just the database results? Are there NEW images of films added here
not available on FamilySearch.org?

Their 14-day "free" access doesn't let you see details of the
results--all it does is give you vague results, and then asks for you
credit card information. I ran a search for Catarina Banegas, born
1660, in Tlaltenango, and when I clicked on one of the records, here's
what it gave you: "Index Only Record. Source Information
Ancestry.com. Mexico, Select Baptisms, 1560-1950 [database on-line].
Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data:
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
"

I don't have a paid account on Ancestry, but I suspect their records
are merely duplicates of FamilySearch.org.

Please correct me if there's any value to this site for Mexican records.

Thanks, Arturo

Hello friends, I'm having trouble reading the name of this town. Each time, I google it, I can find anything. I honestly don't even know if it was in Nueva Galicia.

http://i.imgur.com/X7sclew.png

I'm hoping someone could read it.

Thanks.

First of all I'd like to thank Nuestros Ranchos. If it wasn't for this web site I would never have been in contact with the person that inadvertently "resolved" what had been my 16 year genealogical dead end; Miguel BELTRAN.

I had gone back to a great grandfather Jorge JAIME born sometime in the late 1600s in Aguascalientes "de padres no conocidos." Every document I had pulled on him had said the same about his parents. However, I knew that someone had to know because ever document insisted that he was "Espanol." Which everyone that is familiar with that time period knows that it would not be a claim to be taken lightly.

Miguel BELTRAN discovered Jorge's parents while looking the marriage investigation record of one of Jorge's grandchildren; Tadeo Antonio JAIME. Which states that Jorge's parents were Diego JAIME with Maria SANDOBAL ORIBARRI. And so I went off to investigate Diego JAIME.

Several years ago I had submitted my YDNA to FamilyTreeDNA.com in an effort to get a hint or clue where Jorge JAIME may have been from. Several years of waiting generated nothing substantial. That is until several weeks ago..

A few weeks ago I was informed that I had a "perfect" with three other people. When I logged on to see who the were I was surprised to discover that they were all ROMO, all doing research in this (Nuestros Ranchos) area. The same that I had been researching for over 20 years. After I analyzed the data I came up with a rough time period of us all having a common ancestor in the 1600s. But then begged the question. How did the surname change from ROMO to XAIMES in the 16000s? I had all of my documentation for all of my ancestors going back to the 1600s. Or did I? Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. All but Jorge JAIME born sometime in the 1600s"de padres no conocidos" in Aguascalientes were the ROMOs had already made a name for themselves.

• So who was it?
• Was Maria SANDOBAL OLIBARRI with more than one man?
• Did Maria SANDOBAL OLIBARRI know that the real father was a ROMO DE VIVAR?
• Did she know it was ???? ROMO DE VIVAR but in an effort save the ROMO DE VIVAR family from scandal blamed a "nobody," like Diego XAIMES?
• Was she scared of what would happen to her if word got out that it was a ROMO DE VIVAR?
• And which ROMO DE VIVARs would be likely candidates?

Well for the last question I can say that it could be:

• Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (b.1589, d.1650)
• Juan ROMO DE VIVAR (b. Abt. 1632)
• Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR (b. 1632)
• Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (b. Abt. 1630)
• Geronimo ROMO DE VIVAR (?)
• Francisco ROMO DE VIVAR (b.1644)

Recently, Armanco Antunano was assigned as Administrator for the FamilyTreeDNA.com web site group called "Nueva Galicia DNA Project", which I strongly urge everyone to join. (I'm not paid by them to promote it) As it holds the potential to reveal similar situations like mine. After joining the group Armando analyzed my YDNA and concluded without a doubt that I am a ROMO DE VIVAR. YDNA does not lie. Go figure...

Why Diego JAIME was listed as the father of Jorge JAIME in those marriage investigation records, we'll never know. But I would like know which ROMO was Jorge XAIMES' father to finally bring closure to years of research. In an effort to do this, I would like to know if there is any ROMO on this site that can trace their ancestry to any of these men, and has also submitted their YDNA.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Luis (JAIME?)

My husband has Villasenor ancestors from Jalisco.  His Ancestry DNA results show 19% Italy/Greece.  It was not broken down any closer.  I will have to do more work on that family.Melinda Lambaren  

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone look at this baptism for Jose Monico Miguel Almeida and tell
me if all 3 couples are the padrinos or if 2 of the couples are
grandparents. its right after where it says Jose Monico Miguel hijo de
Refugio Almeida y de Maria Antonia Peres.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65G9-GGH

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

on this marriage for Antonio Ramos and Maria Robles it starts on the left
page and finishes on the right. could someone tell me what the
sentence says after it says resultado impedimento ninguno canonico:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT75-JD

Danny C. Alonso

Greetings all.

My name is Ricardo Contreras Infante. Genealogy has been a passion of mine for over five years. This all started back in 2010, when my paternal grandfather passed away. At the time of his death, I did not know how he looked nor what his name was. The same goes for my grandmother who died prior to me being born. After finding my father's birth certificate, which listed the names of my grandparents, great grandparents, and where they lived, I became interested in ancestry. After years of searching through every single microfilm in the San Sebastian Del Oeste archives on Familysearch.com, I was able to use this information to find the names of my grandparents's family. In 2015, I traveled to San Sebastian Del Oeste on my own to locate potentially family members. Despite not speaking Spanish well enough, I was able to track down my grandmother's last living sister, who also lead me to my grandfather's surviving siblings who now live in Mexico city. I take solace in that despite not meeting my grandparents, I got to know them through their family and through visiting the rancho.

Though I've barely opened an account here, I've actually been a frequent viewer of this site. I greatly appreciate the users here in the past who have posted very informative information here concerning genealogy for Jalisco and Aguascalientes.Through this website, I have wider grasp on things such as the Casta system used by the Spanish and the terms one has to be knowledgeable when reading records.

After years of research,I was able to trace my lineage back to Xptobal(Cristobal) De Contreras and Catharina Sanchez of Mascota, Jalisco. Both individuals were born in the late 1600s and fathered a son named Xptobal De Contreras Sanchez, who was born around 1702 and whom later went on to live in Santiago De Pinos in the San Sebastian Del Oeste municipality. Unfortunately, the records for Mascota only go to the 1800s. I also believe that Mascota may not have had a church in the 1700s as evident by all the people who lived there who would go to San Sebastian Del Oeste to get married and to baptist their children. However the most of the records for the early 1700s and the 1600s in San Sebastian are missing. It's my belief that they were lost in an earthquake in 1868 when the church was damaged.

Anyway, what got me to make an account here is what a user said in this topic: Gmotovar :"Este Alonso de Contreras sería el genearca de varios de ese apellido en la región (antigua Provincia de Avalos)" http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20132?page=3

It is my belief that my oldest ancestor, Xptobal De Contreras of the village of Mascota, Jalisco, is possibly a great great grandson of the Conquistador. Alonso De Contreras Lerma. This conclusion is based on the on what Gmotovar said as well as researching the whereabouts of Alonso known descendants whom lived in areas like Autlan, Cocula, Zacoalco, Tljaomulco, Tecolotlan, and Sayula. All these locations are very close to Mascota.

If anyone can confirm that Alonso is the ancestor of the Contreras family members, who settled in Western Jalisco in the early 1600s, that would be greatly appreciate.
If anyone can give me any hints on where to look for baptism records for people in Mascota for the late 1600s, I would be very grateful.

Thanks
Ricardo

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