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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
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Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins" April 2017

http://somosprimos.com/sp2017/spapr17/spapr17.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

When you open your April issue of Somos Primos, you will see a husge photo of the U.S. Army’s all Mexican-American Infantry Unit.

The 141st Regiment traces their roots back to the Texas Revolution and is the longest serving unit of the Texas National Guard. The 36th Division or T-Patchers as they were known spearheaded the Allied landing at Salerno Italy. The unit saw action at Mount Rotondo, San Pietro and one of the most controversial and deadliest battles of WWII, the crossing of the Rapido River. In a span of forty-eight hours, the 36th Division lost over two thousand men at the Rapido River in January of 1944. It became so controversial that after the war a congressional hearing was held to see if actions should be taken on those who were in command of a unit that lost so many American lives.

I remembered that in the 1980s, a friend Alfred Lugo, had written a script about that unit, the Men of Company E. Alfred was working at KOCE in the 1970s at the same time I was teaching at Golden West College.

I am suggesting that in May, we have two dates at which it would be appropriate to present the Men of Company E,El Cinco de Mayo (May 5th) and Armed Forces Day (May 20th). It could be done as a Reader's Theater in the classroom for (U.S. History, Social Studies, English, Theater Arts, and Chicano Studies).

I called Alfred last night, asking if the script was available. He said, I was the second person that very day that asked about the script. I told him, he was ahead of the time, and now was perfect timing.

Alfred said he would make the script available. Please contact him at:
alfredo.lugo@verizon.net
Home: 562-696-6204
Cell: 562-706-3286

April brings us new birth. Let this be a new beginning for all of us, finding a way to honor our heritage with facts, seeking them out and
sharing them. May you enjoy Easter, in all its intent . . renewal, and
joy.

Abrazos, Mimi

SOMOS PRIMOS APRIL 2017

UNITED STATES
DNA: We are related to everyone.
John Valadez Accepts Professorship at Michigan State University LULAC Congratulates Jennifer S. Korn, Latina Appointed White House Advisor
2017 LULAC National Women’s Conference
National Trust for Historic Preservation Diversity Scholarship Smithsonian Institution Undergraduate Conservation Internships Summer
2017
Rigoberto González grew up in a family of immigrant farm-workers.
Dr. Ronald W. Maestas, of Las Vegas, New Mexico, a 2017 Professional of the Year U.S. Army’s all Mexican-American Infantry Unit – Heroes of the Italian Campaign of WWII Mounted Color Guard in the Marine Corps by Robin Collins Palomino Stallion Chosen as ASPCA Horse of the Year by Dale Williams Colored Men/ Hombres Aqui - Hernandez vs Texas Signs by Michael A.
Olivas
A Voice for People Who Had None - Remembering Lauro Cruz by Daisy Wanda Garcia Education Begins in the Home: Educacion Comienza en el Hogar by Kirk Whisler Minority administrators don't keep up with demographic shifts,
study finds broad pay equity by Rick Seltzer

SPANISH PRESENCE IN THE AMERICAS' ROOTS
Youtube: Spanish Colonization of North America Robert and Nancy Munson during the Spanish vessel, San Salvador's public viewing March 16, 2017, Daughters of the American Revolution Texas State meeting, Dallas La Opinion de Malaga, Spain of 8 of March 2017 sent by María Ángeles O'Donnell de Olson Click to: British-American Jews, Sephardic and Ashkenazi Supported the American Revolution EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS April 5th: Spain and Benjamin Franklin Influence to Support the American Revolution Gobernador de Luisiana, logró liberar el Misisipi y el Golfo de México Alexander Von Humboldt, héroe de la independencia de América que apoyó los españoles British-American Jews, both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Supported the American Revolution

HISTORIC TIDBITS
March 16th, 1758 -- Indians attack San Sabá mission Coincidences by Gilberto Quezada

HISPANIC LEADERS
A Tribute to Carlos Soto, Business and Communication at age 70, February 18, 2017 Iconic US Latina Actress Miriam Colon dies at age 80, March 3, 2017 Congressman Kika de la Garza, dies at age 89, March 13, 2017

LATINO PATRIOTS
Horse & Veterans by Robin Collins
Letter to Robin Collins, Rancho del Sueño from Peter G. Stamison,
U.S. General Services Administration The Voces Oral History Project by Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez, PhD.
Video: Valentia: Mexican-Americans in World War II - KVIE
50 breathtaking colorized photos World War II Be Aware what is Happening to our Veterans' Land in Los Angeles
and Vietnam Veteran Robert Rosebrock by Alfred Lugo Boeing B-29 SuperFortress- - - Pima Air and Space Museum, Tucson, Arizona

EDUCATION
Honor student, Hallie Parsons Alcantar
Fountain Valley sibling scientists present at international symposium
Charter school focuses on creating college scholarship pathways
Students’ artistry thrives at Arts & Learning Conservatory
Fusion Academy revolutionizes the ways students learn, teachers teach
El Rancho's academic enrichment mission, open enrollment

RELIGION
Stone masters at Jewish cemetery in India by Shashank Bengali
Rabbit hole leads to incredible 700-year-old Knights Templar cave
complex
American Family Association
The one passage on the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict that the
mainstream media
will never print by Benjamin Weingarten

CULTURE
A chat with Roy Gonzalez, surf art master, Part 1, by Corky Carrol
Little Joe Hernández, NACCS Tejas Conference’s 2017 Premio Estrella de
Aztlán.
Dichos y Refranes by Jo Emma Quezada

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
April 10th is the final deadline for the 2017 International Latino Book
Awards
Somos en Escritos by Armando Rendon
Return to Arroyo Grande, the third collection of short stories by Jesús
Salvador Treviño
George Washington's Secret Ally by Judge Edward F. Butler
The Marketing of EVIL by David Kupelian
Youtube: Myth of the Spanish Inquisition
Imperiofobia y Leyenda Negra, Roma, Rusia, Estados Unidos y el Imperio
español
~ Maria Elvia Roca Barea

SURNAMES
Do you have Jewish Lineage? Extensive list to search.

DNA
Pacific islanders may carry the DNA of an unknown human species
Ancient skulls unearthed in China could belong to little-known extinct
human species
Study: (A Spanish) Neanderthal Used 'Aspirin' for Tooth Pain

FAMILY HISTORY
Shhar's September visit to the Family Search Library in Salt Lake City,
Utah
Available: DVD of Somos Primos, past issues, 1990-1999.
6 Writing Tips to Learn From Theater by Joe Bunting
Free Family History Library Classes &Webinars for April 2017

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
April 8: SHHAR: Were my Grandparents Really Related? by Viola Sadler
SHHAR's Visit to The Family Search Library in Salt Lake City, Utah
Ceremonial event honors new congressman, Lou Correa by Angie Marcos

LOS ANGELES COUNTY
Connecting online for a personalized education
Prager U: Short Videos/Big Ideas: There is Only One Way Out of Poverty

CALIFORNIA
April 22: 214th Anniversary "Battle of San Diego Bay"
April 30: San Juan Capistrano 5th annual "Fiesta Days"
Latino Literacy Now: Education Begins in the Home
Looking Ahead: Canet & Romero Family Reunion, July 22, 2017

PAN-PACIFIC
Domingo de Bonechea, el marino que incorporó Tahití a la Corona española
por Jorge Alvarez

SOUTHWESTERN, US
Merejildo Grijalva, Apache Captive
Sutter Creek by Robin Collins

TEXAS
Celebrating Texas Spanish History By José Antonio López
For more than 150 years Texas has had the power to Secede . . . From
Itself
On March 1, Texas declared independence and became a republic.
April 5th: Symposium on Early Spanish Music in the Southwest
April 5th: Mo. Enrique Carreón-Robledo, New Artistic Director, OPERA
San Antonio
April 8th: Tejano History Matters, Founding of the First Texas Republic
San Jacinto Symposium - April 8th La Porte, Texas
April 11th: TCARA, Old San Antonio Rd, El Camino Real
May 1, 2018, the 300th anniversary of the founding of Mission San
Antonio de Valero

MIDDLE AMERICA
Spring in the Country. The Learning Years 1950 – 1952 by Rudy Padilla
Book: Fields To Freedom – Frank Morales.
Book: The Argentine District, Kansas City, Kansas by Rudy Padilla

EAST COAST
April 8, 2017: The 1715 Plate Fleet Disaster, Melbourne Beach, Florida
Somebody up there likes me (1956) Rocky Marciano
Puerto Ricans Got U.S. Citizenship 100 Years Ago—But Their Identity
Remains Fraught
Even a century later
Michael Calderin Radio Show interviews historian Nelson Antonio Denis

AFRICAN-AMERICAN
Ridgeley Rosenwald School Celebrates 90th Anniversary
Saving Nina Simone’s Birthplace as an Act of Art and Politics

INDIGENOUS
5 Powerful Native American Medicinal Herbs by Michelle Schoffro Cook
For Navajo Team, a Season of Change and Challenge by Michael Powell
Ancient DNA Yields Unprecedented Insights into Mysterious Chaco
Civilization

SEPHARDIC
British-American Jews both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Supported the
American Revolution

ARCHAEOLOGY
America's Clovis people mysteriously disappeared 12,000 years ago.
Fossils reveal ancient “unknown” human in China

MEXICO
Why Mexico Loved Abraham Lincoln by Jamie Katz
Relationship between the Seri Indian and the outside World, 1850-1950
Excellent movie: One Man's Hero
Arts of Colonial Mexico by Robert Perry
Bautismo de los niños German Enrique y Clara Octavia Marìa de la
Concepciòn Shroeder Pohls
Defunción del Sr. Don Juan de Mora y Luna II, Conde de Santa Marìa
Guadalupe del Peñasco
En el marco del XIV Seminario de la Escuela de Ciencias Sociales
Coloquio
A valor y al sufrimieto 170 Aniversario de la Batalla de la
Angostura
Bautismo y defunción del Señor General don Francisco Garcìa Conde

CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
Researchers uncover new clues about Mayan Civilization's Collapse

PHILIPPINES
20 Incredible Facts About The Philippines by Norman Schriever
An Ecuadorian Beauty Winning the 2016 Miss Earth Title
by Eddie AAA Calderon, Ph.D.

SPAIN
The Lone Man Building a Cathedral by Hand
Celebración del 237 Aniversario del Apresamiento del Convoy Inglés de
1780.
Edad Media Historia: La princesa vikinga de Sevilla Por Miguel Ángel
Ferreiro
Hispania Romana

INTERNATIONAL
Why Isn't there a Palestinian State?
Ingo, the Belgian shepherd and Poldi, the one-year-old owlet, best
friends
The Penguin and the Fisherman - Best Buds!
Mule Protects his Dog Buddies from Lion
Remembering and Honoring my dog Bella

Hola a todos los genealogistas:

Estoy publicando una primera lista de los apellidos africanos que he encontrado en Familysearch:

1. Angola
2. Biafra o Biafara
3. Ferranovo
4. Cabo, Cape o Caboverde
5. Mandinga
6. Canon
7. Negro
8. Negra
9. Esclavo o Esclava
10. Mee
11. Gervise
12. Calvo, apellido genovés que pasó a Sevilla y a Jerez de la Frontera y luego a Cuba y Nueva España con importantes ramas mulatas en Guanajuato y San Luis Potosí.

Les invito a registrar los apellidos africanos que lleguen a encontrar en sus búsquedas.

Marcelina

Marcelina

Where can I find information and books on the history, ranches and properties and maps of San Julian Jalisco and San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno Jalisco .

Where can I find information and books on the history, ranches and properties and maps of San Julian Jalisco and San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno Jalisco .

Maria Rita Valencia and Jose Domingo Estrada are my ancestors. I'm no having much luck finding the marriage record even though I have the date and film number. I would appreciate it very much if someone can find the image number of the record. I am hoping to find their parents names.

Here is the info:

Maria Rita Valencia
mentioned in the record of Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia
Name Joseph Domingo De Estrada
Spouse's Name Maria Rita Valencia
Event Date 09 Feb 1762
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFS-VDR : 15 July 2015), Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia, 09 Feb 1762; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

my research, searching for my half sibling ancestors at Totatiche Jalisco provided me
with a birth record of her great grandmother. in the sentence indicating raza, it had Indigena-Blanca. does it mean that she was a mestiza? Other findings I have founded were either Indios/as, mestizos/as or espanol/a natural if born in Nueva Galicia, so the term indigena-blanca is new to me. Can anybody clear this for me. Thanks. Arturo

Question regarding my 4th Great Grandmother Manuela Bobadilla' Parents. I've only been able to find her Defuncion Record from 6-19-1828 from Atolinga. It states her parents were Gerardo Bobadilla and Rita Contreras. When I research further I can only find Gerardo Bobadilla married to Rita Saldana. Do any Bobadilla descendants in the forum know if its the same Rita.
Manuela Bobadilla was married to Valentin Delgado.

Thanks
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Can anyone tell me where I can find records of indigenous family members in Mexico. I know there are some listed in the regular archives such as the LDS family history library but is there any other form of registering births, deaths etc of indigenous people of Mexico?
Thank you  Rossana 
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Darwin

This is not really an even or announcement, but I was just wondering if the admins knew of a way to code a search function in this site.

For example, I am sure several questions I would like to ask have been asked before, but I am not likely going to read past 20 or so pages of forum topics. Does anyone have the code for the webpage who might be able to put in that function?

Thanks,

Rafa

Would anyone be able to take a look at the record of Jose (at the bottom left of the page) and tell me what are the names of his grandparents? I can't the paternal grandmother's last name, I think her first name is Lucia, and I can't decipher his maternal grandparents' first names aside from his grandmother's Garcia last name.

I would appreciate if you could take a look.

Link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GBSS-C1?mode=g&i=91&wc=3J6…

Thanks,
Rafa

Does anyone in this group have Haplogroup N.?
On the Gary Felix site there are only 4 people with this N.

I had my maternal Uncle Louis Gutierrez do the DNA test in 2006 and and he has since died. At that time they did not do an ethnic breakdown and after all this time the sample is too degraded to do it now.

All of the match's have been from Finland, Sweden, Russia and China but none from Mexico even though I can trace this Gutierrez line back to 1650 in Michoacan.

Linda Castanon-Long

Gutierrez in Michoacan until 1750 when they moved to Jalisco.

I AM RESEARCHING JUAN MARTIN TORRES, WIFE BEING XASINTA DE SANTOS.FOUND THAT SOME OF HIS KIDS FROM SAN ANTONIO DE LOS VILLALOVOS(MARIA ANGEL 1783) BUT LOOKING TO SEE IF JUAN MARTIN CAME FROM THERE MAYBE AROUND 1755 ,BUT FAMILY SEARCH DOESN'T GO BACK THAT FAR.I DID FIND A JUAN MARTIN TORRES THAT WAS BORN ELSEWHERE BUT HE IS LIST AS BEING ESP. ALL OF JUAN MARTIN TORRES KIDS IN MY LINE WERE INDIO.IF I COULD FIND OTHER REFERENCES WHERE I COULD RESEARCH THEM I WOULD GREATLY APPRTECIATE IT'  .   JOSE TORRES  HERJOE59@YAHOO.COM

I was reading a death record from Mexico City and it said the person (a female) "fallecio de fijo". She was 30 years old. What is "fijo"?

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

English:

Twice I have tried to trace back my last name past 1862, but every time I arrive at a dead end. While I have been able to trace my parents’ other last names further back (Ruiz Velasco, Aguirre, Aguirre), Ramos still remains a mystery for me, and thus I turn to you.

The man in question is Inocencio Ramos. Inhabitant of Sayula, Jalisco. I have struggled to find his birth certificate in order to discover who his parents were.

What I know:

His wedding certificate dated August 24, 1885 with Eligia Alvarez (Padilla). It says he is the legitimate son of Maria Merced Ramos and an unknown father. It says he is 22, putting his birth year in 1862-63. It says Eligia (23) is older than him.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL3G-B?i=685&cc=1874591&ca…

Eligia’s baptismal certificate has her being born in December 1862. Inocencio must have been born afterwards.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G28W-K?i=36&cc=1874591&cat…

Here is where it gets tricky. As follows are the birth certificates of Inocencio and Eligia’s children. They are important mainly because I want to know who Inocencio’s father was.

Margarita Ramos (1887). Paternal grandparents: Maria Ramos & unknown.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-95?mode=g&i=221&cc=18…

Margarita Ramos (1889). Paternal grandparents: Francisco Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-TV?mode=g&i=431&cc=18…

Ruperto Ramos (1892). Paternal grandparents: Jose Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9S-7J?mode=g&i=142&cc=18…

Maria Bartola (1894). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR99-RQ?mode=g&i=323&cc=18…

Francisco (1896). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJK-F?i=175&cc=1874591&ca…

Maria Paz (1900). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orozoco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJC-8?mode=g&i=549&cc=187…

As you can guess I am confused as to who the grandfather could be. Why was Maria’s last name Ramos before the spouse was known? Could it be that Francisco and Jose Maria are brothers? Are one of them the father? I would appreciate any help in this regard. Maybe a search for Inocencio with a different last name to a mother Maria Merced of a different last name around 1863
.
Thank you!

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Espanol

Dos vezes e tratado de buscar mis antepasados mas alla de 1862, pero cada vez no puedo. Aunque mis otros apellidos an sido mas facil (Ruiz Velasco, Aguirre y Aguirre), me atoro siempre con Ramos, y por eso les pido ayuda.

El hombre que me confunde es Inocencio Ramos, originario y vecino de Sayula, Jalisco. E tratado (sin logro) buscar su registro de bautismo o nacimiento civil.

Lo que se:

Su registro de matrimonio en el 24 de Agosto, 1885 con Eligia Alvarez (Padilla). Dice que es hijo legitimo de Maria Merced Ramos y de padre desconocido. Dice q tiene 22 anos de edad. Eso pondria su nacimiento en 1862-63. Dice que Eligia (23) es mayor que el.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL3G-B?i=685&cc=1874591&ca…

EL registro de bautismo de Eligia la tiene nacida el Diciembre 1862. Ynocencio seria nacido despues.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G28W-K?i=36&cc=1874591&cat…

Aqui es donde se pone complicado. Siguen los registros bautismales de sus hijos. Son importantes por su referncia a los abuelos paternos.

Margarita Ramos (1887). Abuelos paternos: Maria Ramos & unknown.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-95?mode=g&i=221&cc=18…

Margarita Ramos (1889). Abuelos paternos: Francisco Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-TV?mode=g&i=431&cc=18…

Ruperto Ramos (1892). Abuelos paternos: Jose Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9S-7J?mode=g&i=142&cc=18…

Maria Bartola (1894). Abuelos paternos: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR99-RQ?mode=g&i=323&cc=18…

Francisco (1896). Abuelos paternos: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJK-F?i=175&cc=1874591&ca…

Maria Paz (1900). Abuelos paternos: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orozoco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJC-8?mode=g&i=549&cc=187…

Como pueden observar estoy confundido a quien podria ser el abuelo. Porque la madre se conocia como Ramos en su registro de bodas pero sin saber el padre? Podrian ser Francisoc y Jose Maria hermanos? O uno de ellos el padre? Aprecio cual quier ayuda en esto. Tal vez, una busca por Inocencio bajo otro apellido con una madre Maria Merced de otro apellido naciod en 1863 seria bueno.

Perdonen la ortografia. Muchas gracias!

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Does anyone have any information on Miguel Gomez and Maria Martel from
Aguascalientes, born probly around 1680. The only thing i know is there
names from their daugters informacion matrimonial that that gives there
names. There daughter Gertrudis Gomez also used the name Maria Martel like
her mom:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYM7-NTY

Danny C. Alonso

Estimados amigos de nuestros Ranchos:

Después de muchos años de investigación, he podido formar mi Árbol Genealógico, bien documentado hasta Mateo Navarro, casado con Gerónima Briseño Gaytán que a finales del siglo XVI vivían en Zamora o Tlazazalca, Obispado de Michoacán, Nueva España.

De los padres y abuelos de Mateo Navarro, tango información que aún no se ha podido documentar, según la cual sus padres fueron: Pedro Navarro nacido en Pátzcuaro y Catalina de la Cerda.
Sus abuelos: Mateo o Matheo Navarro, soldado español, casado con una hija del último emperador de Michoacán Tangaxoan II. La novia recibió el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda, por haber sido el padrino el Capitán Juan de la Cerda. Me imagino que la bautizaron antes de casarla.

Las preguntas que tengo, con la esperanza de que alguien de nuestro grupo me ayude a contestar son:

1 - Hubo dos Catalinas de la Cerda ? Una Purépecha (Tarasca), esposa del soldado Matheo Navarro y otra española, esposa de Pedro Navarro ?

2.- Alguien más sabe de la boda del soldado conquistador Mateo o Matheo Navarro con la hija del Cazonci o Calzontzin, que llevó el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda ?
Esto último según entendí sucedió entre 1522 y 1525. Lo leí hace como diez años y no tuve el cuidado de anotar la fuente, ahora no recuerdo si fué en un libro o en el internet. Entonces no puse atención,
pues núnca me imaginé que fuera mi antepasado.
Hace tres años compré un libro del cronista de Tepatitlán Don Francisco Gallegos Franco, titulado "Apellidario" y en él se menciona la dicha boda. Ahora sí me incumbe ya que mi Árbol Genealógico ha
llegado hasta el siglo XVI y existe la posibilidad de que mi Mateo Navarro sea descendiente de ése matrimonio.

Agradecería mucho si alguien me contestara con más información al respecto. Ojalá que se lleve a cabo en agosto de éste año el Coloquio de la UAA en Aguascalientes y que allá podamos vernos otra vez.

Saludos afectuosos para todos desde el Edo. de Nueva York.

En México - Bertha E. Medina Navarro de Boehm
En USA - Bertha Boehm

www.boehm-chronik.com

Need some advice, I had my DNA through AncestryDNA, since then I have accumulated a serious list of Extremely HIGH, Very HIGH and HIGH, and GOOD and Moderate. My problem whenever I contact the DNA MEMBER(S), I get a negative response or none at all, even when our trees reveal common ancestors. My tree is PUBLIC, which is easily accessible. I have notice several have their tree listed as private, or listed NO TREE in their DNA MATCH results, but, not all are PRIVATE, so I am able to access their tree and review it. Question? Is there another DNA testing entity that facilitate easier confirmation
of relation so that I or other can connect the dots, before our expiration date? I am
75 and I would love to get my tree to a respectable level. In particular my father's
lineage. What I have discovered is that we are practically related with the majority of
the founders and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes surname. My father is another matter.
Thank you in advance. Arturo de Leon Garcia

If anyone sees jolude on your DNA matches, that's me! Would you be willing to contact me so we can help each other grow our family trees?

Thank you! 3/10/17

Hello,

My name is Vanessa Lopez and this is my first post. My paternal grandmother's line was relatively easy to trace through Zacatecas and Jalisco. I worked diligently to build her family tree in preparation for an upcoming family reunion in May. Every once in a while, I like to just google an ancestor. I did just that for Juan Chrisostomo Hurtado (1722-) and to my surprise, I discovered this amazing tree, https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Hurtado%20de%20Mendoza-Family-Tree-11, which extended back to Spain (a first for me in all of my 7 years of research.) I would like help in any of the following ways...

Do we share common ancestors based on this (unconfirmed) wiki tree? How do you feel about wiki trees in general? I am considering opting for a pro-genealogist to confirm this wiki tree information because 1300s Spanish genealogy is way beyond my capabilities.

Are you related to me (based on the attached tree segment)? I have my DNA on Ancestry and GedMatch ready for comparison.

What kinds of records are common in Spanish genealogy? I can read Spanish, but I'm only familiar with Mexican records and history.

Thanks for reading!

-Vanessa

Primos,

It occured to me that some of the NR members might be listed as DNA matches on my Ancestry DNA account. This would help locate specific lineages, and may be mutually beneficial. Please, check and see if sa2fay, Elida Gonzalez, is one of your matches, and let me know. Ancestry states I have about 448 matches for 4th cousins or closer.

La punsada que soy:)
Elida

In case you missed it, MEXICO has won its first GOLD medal of the 2012 Olympics in Mens Soccer/Football.They defeated Brazil.
Bien hecho! (Today, August 11, 2012.)

This question is from another genealogy site and I'm hoping someone can help this gentleman. The records are from Guanajuato, Mx -sorry. This is a copy & paste of his question.*****Hi everyone. I’m hoping some of you might be able to give me some insight into the listing of race on death records in Guanajuato in 1913 and 1914. I have recently found death certificates for two relatives - a great uncle and a great-great aunt, both of which listed race. They are both listed as Indigena con negra (Indigenous with Black). My initial understanding was that, at least in church records, after 1827 race was no longer indicated unless provided by the family. This is a civil registration and looking through the other records in the database, they all seem to list a race. All are listed as ______ con _______. I can’t find any pattern to how they are listed, such as x race is always listed first, y race is always listed before z, etc. I’ve also noticed in some records a race may be listed twice, such as negra con negra. It would seem to me that it is indicating parental lines, but I can’t find any online source explaining this. I would greatly appreciate any insight anyone might have on how this was recorded or should be interpreted.

Does anyone know of any websites to look up documents online that is stored at the Real Audencia of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico?

The list of names answered a question that my cousins and I have had for decades about our aunt's nickname, 'Cheva'. Her real name is Josefina. I saw that the nickname for Josefina is "Chepa". I can see how easily it would be to substitute the "p" for a "v". I wonder how you get from Josefina to Chepa, though.

Darlene
Yorba Linda, CA

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> Peredo, This is also an area of interest to me. My 8th great grandmother was
> Maria de Sandobal, born about 1685 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman,
> Zacatecas, Mexico. She was the daughter of Francisco de Sandobal and Juana
> Ponce (Ponze, Ponse), born about 1660-65. My family tree has a well
> documented line back to Juana. Having said that, there are numerous trees on
> Ancestry.com that have Juana as the daughter of Catalina Ponce de Leon and
> back to the famous explorer. I have never found a Baptism record for Juana
> and thus can't confirm that relationship. If someone can provide a document
> to prove the link, I would be the 15 great grandson of Juan Ponce de Leon
> This link is an example of one of those posted family trees:
> http://person.ancestry.com/tree/28477012/person/12491890250/facts I own a
> copy of John J. Browne Ayes' book: Juan Ponce de Leon - His New and Revised
> Genealogy. I'll look to see if there is any mention of Hernan. Thanks for
> bringing this question to the forefront as I had it on the back burner while
> focusing on my maternal Italian line. Regards, Roy I'd be happy to provide
> the remainder of Juan Ponce (Ponze)
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> Peredo, This is also an area of interest to me. My 8th great grandmother was
> Maria de Sandobal, born about 1685 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman,
> Zacatecas, Mexico. She was the daughter of Francisco de Sandobal and Juana
> Ponce (Ponze, Ponse), born about 1660-65. My family tree has a well
> documented line back to Juana. Having said that, there are numerous trees on
> Ancestry.com that have Juana as the daughter of Catalina Ponce de Leon and
> back to the famous explorer. I have never found a Baptism record for Juana
> and thus can't confirm that relationship. If someone can provide a document
> to prove the link, I would be the 15 great grandson of Juan Ponce de Leon
> This link is an example of one of those posted family trees:
> http://person.ancestry.com/tree/28477012/person/12491890250/facts I own a
> copy of John J. Browne Ayes' book: Juan Ponce de Leon - His New and Revised
> Genealogy. I'll look to see if there is any mention of Hernan. Thanks for
> bringing this question to the forefront as I had it on the back burner while
> focusing on my maternal Italian line. Regards, Roy I'd be happy to provide
> the remainder of Juan Ponce (Ponze)
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> I don't see my nickname --- Mili ---for Emilia. I see my sister's ---Licha---for Alicia. She hates being called Licha.
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> Sorry, hadn't noticed the second nickname for Rosario. Tita for Marta
> or any name that is shortened with ita or Ito. My hubster' first name is Mario and his childhood nickname is Mayito. Marge
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>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 18:04, Emilie Garcia wrote:
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>> Thanks for this, Joseph,
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>> It will come in handy when people ask me to do their family tree and they submit a list comprised of only "nicknames". I tell them that those are nicknames, what is their real name? And they don't know---"we have always called her 'Chayo', they say. Now I know what it really is.
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>> Emilie
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>> Port Orchard, WA
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>> From: Research on behalf of Joseph Puentes
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>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Spanish_diminutives_of_given_na…
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> Appendix:Spanish diminutives of given names - Wiktionary
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>> Appendix:Spanish diminutives of given names - Wiktionary
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> Appendix:Spanish diminutives of given names - Wiktionary
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> This is a list of hypocoristics for Spanish given names. Almost any Spanish name can have a hypocoristic formed by adding/changing the ending to '-ito' for ...
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>> This is a list of hypocoristics for Spanish given names. Almost any Spanish name can have a hypocoristic formed by adding/changing the ending to '-ito' for ...
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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the parents names are on this marriage for Juan Almirante and Dolores Valenzuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6X2S-991

Danny C. Alonso