Hello everyone!

Can anyone direct me to resources available in print or online, that specifically addresses the Tlaxcalan and Otomi families of Las Lagunas, Buenavista and the Pueblo de Moya?

I purchased and read Mario Gómez Mata's book, INDIOS, but it reads more as an historical narrative of the pueblos - which it is - but not as a genealogical work. 

The majority of our Indio ancestors are Tlaxcala and Otomi and from very specific families: Rhea, Hernández del Aguila, San Joseph, de Luna y Tapia, etc. 

Has anyone compiled the genealogies of the founding and early families of the Pueblos in Lagos de Moreno? 

I'm trying to document our ancestors from Moya and Buenavista, but it's like pulling teeth to trace them prior to 1660 or so, with all the surname changes. 

In one document, someone may be named Pedro de la Cruz and another, he's Pedro Hernándes, and then in a third document, he'll be called, Pedro del Aguila. It's a very tedious process, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here if someone else has done this work already. 

Does anyone here have any suggestions?

Best,

Travis

Happy New Year To All!,

Did we ever get to the bottom of the origin of Francisco Magdaleno/Madaleno cc Elvira de Mendoza? If not, I may have found another clue in the recently released treasure trove of the Morelia archives:

Petricion de Gonzalo Fernandez de Abrego para recibir herencia de su madre - Beatriz de Talavera. (Morelia - 1602)

In this petition we find out that Gonzalo is the son of Andres Fernandez de Abrego cc Beatriz de Talavera. Furthermore, we have testimony from a couple of interesting witnesses: Francisco Magdaleno, who declares that he's the uncle of Gonzalo. This given that Gonzalo is the son of his sister Beatriz de Talavera!. Furthermore, we have another testimony from Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza who testifies that he's a "primo hermano" to Gonzalo. This would be the same Geronimo who was the son of Francisco cc Elvira de Mendoza. 

I think this is a very interesting clue into the origins of the Magdalenos/Madalenos of Michoacan and Jalisco. In looking for more clues on Beatriz de Talavera, I found mentions of her being married to a Lic. Pedro de Villafranca, I assume before/after her marriage to Andres Fernandez de Abrego? Does anyone have any additional clues on Beatriz de Talavera or the Magdalenos for that matter? 

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

A few years back the website was a crossroads and the future looked dim. The site was down and Rosalinda Ruiz took the bull by the horns and organized the Nuestros Ranchos WorkGroup (Many thanks Rosalinda). Via that group a small group of individuals formed the Tech Group: Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley, Arturo and I but above and beyond the Tech Group was spearheaded by our Elite Webmaster Lee Ingram (Muchisimas!!!). Anyway as a result of the larger Workgroup a fund raising effort was started and with the help of 26 members a total of $776.24 was collected. Since 2021 when the site was revived Lee Ingram has been working tirelessly to get the site up and keep it up to date. During that time Lee had certain expenses with the work and just recently I was able to reimburse him for out of pocket monies spent and to pay forward for the webhosting and domain registration (Lee could explain it better). Anyway this email is to say that the approximate $800 was well spent for the past 4 years as well as covering out of pocket monies through approximately February 2031. If you get a chance to thank Lee please feel free to overwhelm him. Thanks go as well to our past Webmaster who for years carried the group on his shoulder, Arturo!

Now it might seem like 2031 is 6 years away (well it is and 6 years will go by in a flash). We currently have approximately 1000 members. Imagine if each one chipped in $1. Please don’t send me money as the Workgroup needs to do some work on WHERE future fund raising money should go. Maybe we need an elected Treasurer. I’m not sure how that works, we’ll see. Just wanted you all to think about the future of the NR group. For now we’re good but the future is well coming soon

Joseph Puentes

Hello and Happy New Year!

I have a question: when someone is called "criollo" in colonial records it usually implies they are born in Mexico from two Spanish parents, correct?

Is this a hard rule? Why would someone be called both mestizo and criollo in the same record? Because he is the son of one parent who was born in Spain, perhaps?

Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo," probable, but unproven, son of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez (possibly Spanish) and Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza (noted as mestiza in multiple sources), both of Lagos. Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez married June 1, 1668 to Ana Burgeño, daughter of Ysidro de Araujo and Beatris Burgeño alias López, in Santa Maria de los Lagos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5RG-Y

My Spanish isn't proficient enough to understand the entire record - especially the notation in the margin. Would someone please look at it and translate or explain the record for me. This could be a game-changer for our tree. Cristobal's probable parents are our ancestors several times over - we are descended from many of the grandchildren of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez and Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza.

Thank you,

Travis

One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".

The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9 

While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.

I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.

I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a good way yet to go.

Does anyone have solid records for him before the 1697 marriage? Is there any record that names his father?

 

I have completed my fourth book, titled De Nobleza Inmemorial, which documents families of proven nobility from Nueva Galicia and New Spain. The work consists of eleven chapters and eight essays on the subject of hidalguía, and will feature a prologue by my friend Jorge Barba Gómez, author of several books of genealogy.

The book will first be available in Spanish on Amazon, with an English edition to follow.

Chapters:

1. Los Condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América: La rama michoacana de los Gómez Fraile.
2. El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León.
3. Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda.
4. Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano.
5. Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el nuevo mundo.
6. Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz al nuevo mundo.
7. Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del primer imperio mexicano.
8. Una poderosa unión: los Villavicencio y los Colmenares.
9. Los Grijalba en la provincia de Colima.
10. Los Sotelo: Nobleza zamorana en el Nuevo Mundo.
11. Los Pardo de Lago: Una saga de nobleza gallega. 

Essays:

1. El rompecabezas genealógico: Descifrando la sangre del Dr. Ignacio Fernández de Córdova.
2. La controvertida ascendencia de Juan de Portugal.
3. Los González Carrillo en Michoacán.
4. Los Ponce y Somoza: Una alianza desde Monforte de Lemos.
5. Falsos nobles: El licenciado Diego Téllez.
6. Los Núñez de Soto y los Pantoja: nobleza extremeña en la conquista.
7. Los Rentería y los Mújica: El poder de los vascos en la empresa indiana.
8. El misterio de los Lomelín en Nueva España.

This is a book of which I am particularly fond of, as I have been able to present substantiated new information through properly referenced documentation.

For example, I trace the Fernández de Balduz family to its origins using a lawsuit filed by Antonio Fernández de Balduz against Miguel de Mirafuentes, which meticulously documents the family's genealogy. This work also identifies the Fernández de Balduz as a cadet branch of the House of Mirafuentes.

Furthermore, I resolve the genealogy of the Enríquez de Colmenares family, linking them, in their origin, to Báscones de Ojeda in Palencia, from which they departed to Carrión de los Condes. A nobility lawsuit from the Real Chancillería of Granada helps clarify the origins of the Grijalva family from Colima. The proceedings document their lineage as descending from the notable hidalgo Gonzalo Hernández Grijalva. He was also referred to as "Guadiloba," after the dehesa he possessed, a testament to his considerable wealth and influence.

Another highlight is the essay on the Núñez de Soto family, based on documentation I discovered in the R. Ch. of Granada. This record connects Gonzalo Núñez de Soto—husband of Bernardina de Mendoza—to his ancestral family in Jerez de los Caballeros.

For those interested, a short article I authored was released in Japan this past October. «Acceso digital a fuentes históricas ibéricas sobre Japón: PARES y DIGITARQ» Boletín Número 32, Essay No. 8

Sincerely,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

Following the hypothesis that Isabel de Mendoza, wife of Toribio Hernández de Arellano, was a native (chichimeca?), I would like to leave this note for the benefit of future research. 

The proposition of a native origin for Isabel de Mendoza is not new, it predates the publication of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. This possibility was suggested by Mariano González-Leal during a private dinner at his house, years before Retoños was published. It is crucial to emphasize that this remains a speculative theory and no proof has been found. It is based on the following:

1. Strategic. A marital alliance between a spaniard like the mayor Toribio Hernández de Arellano and an indigenous woman, particularly one of cacique lineage, would have been a strategic asset in the region of Santa María de los Lagos. This area was situated on a volatile frontier (frontera de chichimecas), and such unions could have been a method of securing alliances with indios amigos or indios de paz, thereby stabilizing a notoriously dangerous territory.
2. Onomastic evidence. The surname "de Mendoza" was conferred upon several caciques and their family members during the viceroyalty of Don Antonio de Mendoza (1535-1550). Isabel de Mendoza's estimated birth date falls within this period, and Viceroy Mendoza was physically present in Nueva Galicia in 1542, a plausible context for her baptism and the bestowal of the surname.

An alternative, though chronologically-challenging hypothesis must also be acknowledged. My dear friend, the Mexican diplomat Jorge A. Fuentes Méndez—to whom, along with Guillermo Tovar de Teresa and Mariano González-Leal, I owe my early training in genealogy decades ago—provided me an extensive list of documented Mendozas from the period. This list included the family of Francisco de Mendoza (son of Comendador Diego de Mendoza and Isabel Segura) and his wife Beatriz de Montoya. This family, including their children Pedro de Mendoza, Isabel de Mendoza, Leonor de Montoya, and Juana Ruiz, emigrated to New Spain in 1536 (Archivo General de Indias, CONTRATACION, 5536, L.4, F.38R(5)) PARES | Archivos Españoles. The fate of this particular Isabel de Mendoza is unknown, and she remains a candidate. However, a significant chronological issue exists, as she was likely born around 1530 or earlier.

Best regards.

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez.

Greetings,

A recent forum topic (separate thread) that was sorting out the various Christoval Lozano's prompted me to revisit the parentage of Juana Lozano, who was married to Diego Reynoso y Renteria.

Christoval Reynoso y Renteria was a son of Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano.  Christoval Reynoso y Renteria did leave marriage information in both his marriages, the first in 1735 (to Gertrudis Flores de la Torre, and the last in 1741 (to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava).  

In his 1741 marriage to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava he was noted as the widow of Gertrudis Flores de la Torre. It was also noted in this record that he was the son of Diego de Reynoso and Juana Lozano. The 1741 marriage information record (Mezquital del Oro) provided the relations between earlier Rubalcava family members (Matias and Joseph Rubalcava),  which are all noted at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15212-19282-45?cc=1804458

Besides the 2nd marriage information listed above, it was also known that Christoval Reynoso y Renteria and Maria Gertrudis Flores de la Torre were dispensed in 1735, as shown in the index at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9S9-WZ1R?cc=1937239

The issue with the 1735 marriage dispensation was that it could not be found. This was "partially solved".

Christoval Reynoso's mother (Juana Lozano y Flores de la Torre) had always been a mystery until recently, when her parentage was revealed in misfiled tronco's found in a December 1734 Monclova (Coahuila) marriage dispensation record for Juan Menchaca and Maria Sapopa Flores y Valdes. 

This is still not a complete marriage dispensation, but to Juchipila area researchers, the misfiled tronco's provide the parentage of Juana Lozano y Flores de la Torre, and hopefully can fill in a few gaps to the the Juchipila based Christoval Lozano family.

The tronco's are as follows:

Tronco 1:
Cathalina Moscoso Sandoval and Maria Moscoso Sandoval were sisters.
Maria Moscoso Sandoval was the mother of Christoval Lozano, who was the father of Juana Lozano, who was the mother of Christoval Reynoso y Renteria (groom).
Cathalina Moscoso Sandoval was the mother of Josefa (Gonzalez) Rubalcava, who was the mother of Nicolas Flores de la Torre, who was the father of Maria Gertrudis de la Torre (bride)
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Tronco 2:
Nicolas Flores de la Torre and Josepha Flores de la Torre were brother/sister.
Nicolas Flores de la Torre was the father of Nicolas Flores, who was the father of Maria Gertrudis Flores de la Torre (bride)
Josepha Flores de la Torre was the mother of Juana Lozano, who was the mother of Christoval Reynoso y Renteria (groom).

The tronco's are listed at the following link:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6X9G-77?cc=1874591

Regards,

Lee

Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez de Portugal married Feb 1st 1634.

They were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and had 3 chidren.

Diego Munoz b Sept 11 1634

Antonio Munoz b Aug 28 1636

Juan Munoz b Jul 22 1638

They were all born in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

I descend from Juan

Does anyone have any information about Miguel to find more of my paternal line?

Any assistance on places to check on this would be greatly appreciated.

It is interesting to note that there is extensive information on line showing that his wife Mariana Gomez de Portugal is a direct descendant of King Manual the 1^st of Portugal, although illegitimate.

Thanks 

David Munoz
 

Hello

I have seen the term "enero proxima pasado" on a birth registration. Date of registration is February in 1911, date of birth is 29 January. 

AI says the term indicates that the birth was in January of the year before (that would be in 1910). However, I am not sure AI is correct. Anyone else ever interpret this term/phrase?

The birth registration itself is from Guanajuato which is off-topic, but the issue is one that could show up in records from Jalisco and Zacatecas - which share a border with Guanajuato - and Aguascalientes. (One branch of the family in question - Araiza - may have come originally from Jalisco.) 

Best regards

Denise Fastrup