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Panteón Francés de la Piedad wants reparations/compensation

I believe I have found the resting place of one Francisco Campos Aguinaga. He died in 1915 after a mining accident in Southern Arizona a few years earlier. His civil death states he was put to rest at the Panteón Francés de la Piedad in Mexico City. (The other Panteon Frances was built in the 1940s.) 

An acquaintance was able to get photos of the crypt and marker.  However the surname on the larger crypt is different. It is marked "Familia Casasola." The marker at the foot of the crypt, "164," is the only indicator, that helped to find Francisco's plot.  (I've included photos of the grave site.)

Other than the civil death record I have no other way to verify that this is our guy. 

Now it gets interesting. 

After help in locating the plot with help from the Mexican Consulate in Texas,  and a genealogist in Mexico DF who took photos, the cemetery is now saying that the plot may not have been fully paid for back in the day. (Is this customary?) The family would like to help restore at least part of the crypt (hasn't been touched in decades were told). But so far I have no deed/land record to verify. (Should the cemetary have this? )

I'd like to obtain more sources about the burial and am asking the cemetery to provide such, especially since he was apparently buried there. 

Im not sure where else to go on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

civil death:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R29-7TG?i=4872&cc=1923424&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG4X-BPC3

 

Trevino or Temiño that is the question!

So I was doing my usual researchy thing online looking at struggle lines like Diego de Trevino when I happened up a few older research documents you guys find interesting to add to your stash.

The entomology of the name was fascinating to me so I decided to see what towns they were actually referencing in Spain. So indeed I looked up Temiño, Spain.  It is an fact a real town and that is indeed the way it is spelled. It is also the town where the references "Don Alfonso Ruiz de Temirio y Doña Sancha de Velasco".  Even in the old research docs the the spelling varies. These are the ancestors that Baltasar Temiño references to prove his noble lineage in Zacatecas.

So while spelling would vary depending on the scribe and their educational and cultural background it is now evident to me that Baltsar Temiño is indeed a Temiño NOT Trevino. Now it could be that the town of Temiño could have old ties to the Condes de Trevino and they are from another branch they however achieved their "grandee status" through the primogenture given to them by Rey Enrique IV in Segovia in December 21 de 1470. They were being given the primogenture aka "La constitución del mayorazgo de los Temirio".

In fact is a Baltasar who is ACTIVELY seeking to not only show proof of nobility but HIS RIGHTFUL ownership to the grandee status of the Mayorazgo and to his descendants FOREVER. So now we have that settled I will move on, his brother comes back with the document from Spain in hand yes the same Fray and because he has joined the church he is not entitled to right of ownership or the title as written in the deed by the King. Furthermore Baltasar shows not just the document but 13 witnesses to prove he is who he says he is and proof of his heritage before his proofs are accepted and they were indeed accepted. 

Now why do does this matter to our story of Diego de Trevino? Diego de Trevino is thought to come from the Temiños. Before I thought it might be possible now I am not too sure and we just might be able to cross this group of people off our lists. 

There seems to be a clear distinction and not one of misspellings between the name Trevino and Temiño. In fact while both locations are in Burgos one is closer to the Basque region while the other is situated smack dab in the middle of Burgos. The town of Temiño even has the escudos/ family shield of the Temiño family granted to them with the deed. This is NOT the Trevino family or from Trevino the town.

I think I read here that the Diego signed his own name? Can I get a look at that if someone has this on here? I read Spanish paleography also so if you have anything you might throw my way I think I can help. 

Meanwhile I will send you what I found online https://riubu.ubu.es/bitstream/handle/10259.4/2360/0211_8998_n235_p475-488.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Please let me know if you have found any updates on Diego de Trevino. I am leaning toward him definitely being a Trevino and not a Temiño especially considering this finding of there being a clear distinction between the 2 names historically with 2 completely different shields. Usually if they come from the same family they will show similar variations of quarterings and here we see they are clearly different. :)

I look forward to your responses and brainstorming! 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

Buitrón Mujica from Celaya

Hi, I am fairly new to this forum so please excuse me if I do something wrong. 

I have several ancestors from the Celaya area, and I am wondering if anyone has information about the parents of Pedro Buitrón Mujica AKA Pedro Vallejo born c.1700 in Celaya and married to Catarina Tena Padilla in 01/FEB/1736 in Celaya. 
I am aware he is a "clandestine" son of Francisco Buitrón Mujica, and from the glances I was able to find as previews from "Los Tena de Celaya" by Rafael Nieto y Cortadellas, it looks like his mother might be Manuela Vallejo García (Daugther of Diego Vallejo Torres and Juana García Diosdado), but I haven't been able to find documentation to confirm this, so any help will be greatly appreciated.

I have read in "Retoños de España..." and in this forum that Mr. hfaizcorbe, you are and expert in the region so I would love to know if you have any information regarding this family. 

Thank you in advance,

Salvador Rivas 

Need Help Finding Town Name Near Leon, Guanajuato

Hello,

I'm researching my family tree in Leon, Guanajuato. I'm trying to find the name of the town that my ancestor, Jose Epifanio Monjaras, was born in. In the attached Baptism record, the town looks like it says Caraeol, but I'm not having any luck finding that town or anything similar. The Baptism was in Leon, so the town must be near. Parents names are Juan Monjaras and Andrea Ramires. See attached image.

Appreciate any help!

Thank you,

Stephanie

Teocaltiche Marquez Hacienda

I am looking for information regarding the Marquez families in Teocaltiche, more specifically from Atepoca.  I was told that my great grandmother, Francisca Marquez lived in a Hacienda, but I can not find that information anywhere.  Does anybody know how I can go about finding out that information?  

Luevana family of Aguascalientes, AGS

 

I have discovered that I am a descendant of Lorenzo de Luevana (died abt. 28 Jul 1741 in Aguascalientes) and his wife, Catharina Marin de Tiscareño (died about 25 Jul 1737). I have Lorenzo's parents' names from his burial record, but the parents of Catharina were not mentioned in hers. I looked at some trees at Family Search and Ancestry to try and get a sense of additional ancestors for this couple, and while some names are mentioned, I don't see any specific proof to add connections. For example,  the marriage record for Lorenzo's parents, Andres de Luevana and Cristina de Salazar, does not include parents, but people have identified some; however, there is no noted record to confirm the connection. 

 

Does anyone have any more on Lorenzo and Catharina (I'd like an identification and proof of her parents) or on Lorenzo's ancestry? 

Thank you!

Rosalinda

Marriage in 1710 in Asientos and Aguascalientes

Just wondering if anyone has seen something like this. For the marriage of Diego Ximenez and Apolonia Diaz de Leon (Ruis de Esparza), there is a marriage recorded in Asientos (Nuestra Señora de Belen) on 23 enero 1710 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67YS-D95?i=23&wc=M6QX-…). The entry starts at the end of page 23 and continues on page 24. But there is an entry in Informacion Matrimonial in the city of Aguascalientes dated 8 febrero 1710 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCF9-WL6?i=226&wc=M6QX…) for the same couple. I cannot find a marriage record in February or March in El Sagrario records. A curiosity.

Viudas perdidas (Lost widows)

En un par de ocasiones, hemos perdido un miembro de la familia y su viuda desaparecio del mapa; en ocasiones solo con un nombre, en otras solo una ciudad ("Era una americana de Los Angeles.")

Trate de conseguir mas informacion, y hasta cierto punto tuve exito: Encontre a a las personas, e incluso descubri que se volvieron a casar, pero cuando llego el momento de saber si tienen descendecia aun viva, no tanto:

a) Don Alfonso G. Padilla De La Torre (1872–1911)

Alfonso fallecio en la Batalla de 1911 de Tijuana. A pesar de haber sido porfirista y pelear en contra de le Revolucion, localmente se considera un heroe defensor.

La muerte de Alfonso deja viuda a su esposa, (aquella americana de Los Angeles que mencione cuyo nombre se desconocia pero por fin descubri: Dolores Bujanda Sandoval Loya (1892–1963), segun el censo descrita como: ‘Costurera, ama de casa y analfabeta’ lo que puede explicar ciertas discrepancias en las fechas reportadas de su vida.)

Al enviudar, Dolores se regreso a su nativo Chihuahua y se volvio a casar, estableciendose finalmente en Tejas.

Tuvo una hija de nombre Elena Loya, pero existen tres homonimos y por lo tanto, posibilidades de confusion de identidad.

b) Francisco Padilla Lugo, (1891–1940)

Al notar los principios de desaparición de la fortuna familiar despues de morir su padre, los hijos sospecharon (o usaron la excusa) que el albacea estaba abusando de la confianza puesta en el por su fallecido padre.

Segun un tio, en 1938 Francisco y su medio hermano Alfonso se armaron con un revolver prestado por el padre de ese tio, y juntos fueron ver a un abogado para acusarlo de fraude.

En el altercado se disparo el arma.

El abogado recibio 5 balazos y Alfonso accidentalmente mato a Francisco con la bala restante.

Despues de la muerte de Francisco se perdió el rasto de su viuda Edith (de la que recien descubri su apellido: Dunable Reichenbach) (1901–???) y se desconoce si se volvió a casar o si tuvo mas familia.

El censo verifica que Edith estaba ya viuda en 1940, pero aun asi no sabemos la fecha exacta del mortal incidente.