If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…
This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin.
Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?
Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:
https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.
Hope you might find something useful.
Regards,
Dear Members,
I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.
The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.
I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he is the son of Hernando de Arayça and María de Guzmán. This marriage took place in Mexico City, but Joseph is listed as “natural de la ciudad de çacatecas.” I am therefore fully convinced that Joseph is the son of our Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán. This would mean that the Araizas did have some tie between Mexico City and Zacatecas. This also means that Juan de Araiza y Medina (?-1665) had a full brother we did not know about!
Looking back at Juan de Araiza´s will, it does say, and Michael Araiza pointed out some time back, that Juan de Araiza Medina had a slave named Nicolasa, who was 28-30 years of age in 1665, whom he inherited from his grandparents when she was four years old. “Y ten para cumplir y pagar este mi testamto. Declaro por mis bienes a una negra llamada Nicolassa de edad de Beinte y ocho a treinta años la qual [h]erede de mis aguelos que tendría entonces quatro años” (page 3 of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s will). This would suggest that his grandparents died around 24 years before 1665, so around 1640. Which set of grandparents, we do not know. However, the other thing this shows, I think, is that Juan de Araiza’s grandparents lived in the new world!
So, now that we do have a documented link between the Fernando de Araiza from Zacatecas and Mexico City, I think we can accept that the marriage of Hernando de Arayza and María de Guzmán in 1592 in Mexico City, as the marriage we have all been looking for at least a decade! It took place 23 Feb 1592.
Here is the link, and my transcription:
[Al margen] “Hernan.do de arayze y doña ma- de gusman
En beinte y tres de febrero de mill y quios y nobenta y dos yo goncalo fernandes aviendo echo
una amonestación y con ma. Del governandor En las da y amonestaciones y dispensasion despose por palabras de presente en su casa a herdo. De arayze hijo de Antonio de arayze y de Beatriz peres con
doña maría de gusmá hija de diego desquibel y de franca de gusman vzos desta ciudad hizieronse las amonestaciones y no ubo ynpedimento siendo tos Joan guerero y Joan de medina Sebastian reyes franco diaz texedor de tafetan –
Goncalo fernandez”
Now we know the names of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s grandparents! Antonio de Araiza and Beatriz Pérez and Diego de Esquivel and Francisca de Guzmán! Needless to say this opens up a whole new line of inquiry, because it means, that at the earliest, it was Antonio de Araiza who emigrated to New Spain. Now to find further evidence of this! It also, means, that Juan de Araiza y Medina was probably born in New Spain, rather than in Spain. Was he born in Zacatecas? If so, his baptism is lost because the records there do not go back to the 1590s. But to me, the link that was probably the tie between Zacatecas and Mexico City, is Juan’s grandparents, who probably stayed in Mexico City when Fernando moved to Zacatecas to participate in the mining boom. I would say that it would be ideal to find the will of Fernando de Araiza or maybe even of Antonio de Araiza.
Finally, I wanted to encourage us to form a group to look at the Protocolos of Guadalajara and to Index them. I will post a separate topic on this, but think this is a good place to point out that we are running short of church records, but there are many records yet to be indexed that may help us complete pieces of the puzzle like this one.
Happy hunting!
Sergio Sean Salés
Hola prim@s,
This is the Ejecutoria del pleito de hidalguía filed by Licenciado Diego Hernández de Vergara, dated 12 Jul 1548: http://pares.mcu.es:80/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5703246
Licenciado Vergara was a 1st-cousin of treasurer & governor Alonso de Estrada, according to the very detailed genealogy given by Estrada’s cousin, Mari Fernández Hidalgo, in the 1585 limpieza of Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2D-KSYH?cat=630488
The genealogy given in this document coincides perfectly with that genealogy. It even goes back one more generation, and names Licenciado Vergara’s (and Estrada’s) great-grandfather as Juan Alonso, vecino de Ciudad Real (who apparently received a carta ejecutoria de su hidalguía from King Pedro de Castilla). Here’s what the family tree now looks like:
1st generation: Juan Alonso cc ?
2nd generation: Diego Hernández Hidalgo cc Mari González de Estrada
3rd generation:
a. Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Mozo” cc María González de la Mora (abuelos de Mari Fernández Hidalgo).
b. Anton Hernández Hidalgo cc Inés González (padres de Lᵈº Vergara).
c. Fernando Hidalgo cc Francisca de Mazariegos (padres de Diego Mazariegos).
d. Juan Hernández Hidalgo cc ? (padres de Alonso de Estrada).
This pleito was cited in the one filed on 22 Aug 1552 by Alonso de Estrada’s son, Luis Alfonso de Estrada, before the Sala de Hijosdalgo of the Chancellería de Granada. In that pleito, Luis Alfonso names his paternal grandfather as Juan Hidalgo, carpintero; according to Vergara’s pleito, Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Viejo” was also a carpenter.
I hope you’re all doing well!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Hello, I am looking at a baptism record for a brother of my 5th great grandfather. I have attached the record and also here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-GYLD-7?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6D2Z-7KX6&action=view
The child's name is Joesph Maria Cleofas Ledesma. The entry is the last one (bottom right page).
The part I need help with is this... After his name it says "espanol de los ???" I don't know what the next word is and I am wondering if it is signifigant.
Thank you!
Laura
My maternal line has stopped with a woman named Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi, married to Jose Juarez Delgadillo, my 9th great-grandparents. I don’t have an information on their births or marriage, my guess is that they are located in/around Cuquío, Jalisco.
I have arrived to her through my 8th great-grandmother Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, but I have little information for her.
I do have the marriage of Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, and Juan Manuel Delgado Pacheco (son of Francisco Delgado Lopez and Rosa Maria Pacheco Nuñez) on 5 June 1724, although much is lost to the large decay on the pages: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4YV-9?i=132
I want to continue with research into my maternal line, but in order to do that, I need to find more information on the life of Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi. If anyone has information or familiarity of anything “Carrillo de Sandi”, or anyone who also has her in their tree, I would very much appreciate it!
He llegado en la Region de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco hasta este ancestro, pero ahi aparecen otro nombres en otros arboles con una esposa diferente. Podrian ayudarme?
Busco linea Familiar con relacion a Carlos Salas Jaramillo 1805-1833 posible padre Jose Tiburcio Salas 1738-1826 nacido en Villanueva Zacatecas
Seeking any assistance or information on Pedro Jose Montellano or Son Jose Maria Montellano either from Zacatecas or Ojuelos Jalisco, I found information related to Los Pinos or Magueyes Zac. however very limited.
Information I found in Ojuelos Jalisco, Montellano is spelled as Monteyano or Montejano, which could be a typo or possibly how it was spelled during that era.
Any assistance would be appreciated.