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Saucedo, Udabe & Lopez de la Cerda of Teocaltiche, Jalisco

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Hello everyone, My name is Cynthia Saucedo & I am a descendant of Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe.  I see there are posts on Nuestros Ranchos that are over 10 years old from other descendants of the Saucedo, Udabe, Lopez de la Cerda family line.  If anyone researching this family line is still active on this website I would like to collaborate.  It seems there is a brick wall with the grandparents of Juan Zacharias.  I am researching the Saucedo/Udabe/de la Cerda line from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Christoval Saucedo married Feliciana Udabe López de la Cerda around 1711.  There is no marriage record for them.  I have not been able to find any sources with the names of Christoval Saucedo’s parents nor have I been able to find any siblings of Christoval Saucedo. The parents of Feliciana, his wife, are Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda.  There is no marriage record for them however, their children are listed as legitimate children in each of their marriage records.  I have not been

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It shows Gabriel Saucedo & Petronila Mendez as Christoval Saucedo's parents, but I have not seen any sources to support the relationship.  I've gone through all the attached sources for each of Christoval & Feliciana's children & I have not seen the name Gabriel Saucedo for Petronila Mendez mentioned in any of them.  I was hoping to find a baptismal record or marriage with either the paternal grandparent's listed or a lead for another name I could search but I have had no luck.  I descend from Juan Zacharias Saucedo & have been working on his branch of the tree as well as his sibling's branches. The records online for Teocaltiche, Jalisco appear to be incomplete during the 1600 & 1700's.  I haven't been able to find a death record for Christoval.  I have looked at the dispensa's & did not find one for Christoval & Feliciana.  I am struggling on finding sources/documents that will help me to continue researching Christoval Saucedo & Feliciana's parents and their parent's, etc.

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Published by silvernblack – Fri, 2024-04-12 21:27 | Permalink

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It would be best if you provided some other names....such as parents or spouse or chidlren.   Is the first name JUAN ZACARIAS?  And the surname Sauedo Udabe?   What date range are we asking about for this individual?  about what year was he born?  died?   

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Help finding lost dispensa

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There is a dispensa that I misplaced notes or more likely didn't take notes on it. It lists two brothers: one Bernardino de Isla and the other Bernardino de Sandoval. From what i recall, the visual writing makes it liking between 1700 and 1750, and the relationship was in the narrative form within a paragraph (not separate from paragraph and listed line by line) and likely on the first page. The location was likely either Nochistlan, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, or Jalostotitlan.

I have tried searching the dispensas again, but have not found it, which makes me think it might be from a marriage information or from some other location.

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Published by silvernblack – Wed, 2025-02-05 12:15 | Permalink

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I found this interesting info for a Bernardino with similar name..... seems to me he married his first cousin looking at the tree.  Not sure if it was what you were looking for but quite interesting with common names.

Marriage was like 1835 so the years are off but it seemed like you were relying on memory for the 1700-1750 date range anyway.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684K-RTCB?lang=en

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/M2ZB-578

 

 

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Published by 245luigi – Tue, 2024-03-26 18:42 | Permalink

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Sorry I cannot help. I usually input all dispensas on my tree and I am interested in those surnames so I would have done it if I had found it. I didn't find those brothers on my tree.

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I am pretty certain that it said they were brothers.

I do not descend from whoever the marrying couple was nor descend from the people up the line through the Bernardinos, so I didn't pay much attention to the dispensa other then notice that it had two brothers having the same name (uncommon, but not unheard of during that time and prior).

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Are the two Bernardinos in the original post the same two that were baptized together on 6 July 1648 in Nochistlán? The baptismal record states that one was the son of Nicolás de Sandoval and Magdalena González. The other Bernardino was an hijo de la iglesia whose compadres [padrinos?] were Nicolás de Sandoval and Magdalena González! I have wondered if the second one was also a son of Nicolás de Sandoval. They are all listed together on the 1649 padrón for Nochistlán.

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I have thought the same thing. After i bought The Altos de Jalisco: Padrones book and saw that the Bernardino de Isla and Mariana de Sandoval household had 3 other Bernardinos, I immediately thought about the dispensa that i had seen earlier.

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Greetings,

 

I am new to the site and recently began researching my grandparents (Pedo Araiza and Elena Rodriguez), both who passed before I was born.  Both migrated to the U.S. and ran a restaurant called the Texcoco Inn (Houston, TX). Found a couple of articles about them from the Sig Byrd archives (writer in Houston) but not much else of their families in Mexico. 

 

https://nuestrosranchos.org/karaiza

 

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Published by silvernblack – Wed, 2024-04-03 17:37 | Permalink

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Go to the tree below and you can start filling it in even more.  One of those border crossing cards even mentioned the restaurant EL TEXCOCO INN... added it as a source to Elena profile.....   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TD-HR9D-T?i=1285&cc=19160…

anyway...I tied it together a little but you can go in there start tracing backwards.... you can see the potential grandparents and whatnot....go look and have fun filling in the gaps..

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/LD5S-QTC

ps- that little chart you posted really helped in getting going...

 

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Published by karaiza – Tue, 2024-04-02 10:44 | Permalink

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Many thanks for the information.  I did find that he worked in San Antonio at the Bismarck Cafe just across from the Alamo. The time had to be before 1918 because on the outset of WWI the owner changed the name. Thanks again.

 

Kenneth Araiza

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2024-03-25 16:52 | Permalink

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Hello Ken,

I looked up your grandfather’s marriage and baptismal records.  What popped out was that he is living in Texas in the same area where I did research on QB Tony Romo’s great grandmother, Bexar Texas.   Pedro’s grandparents are listed in his baptismal record.

Good luck in your research Ken,

Rick A. Ricci

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Ansurez/Onsures/Unsures

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Hello Everyone,

I was hoping to find out if anyone has any variation of the aforementioned names in their family history. I have had a challenging time finding information on my mother’s side of the family beyond GG grandfather Ladislao Ansures and a GGG grandfather Ciriaco Ansures. I believe there may be a connection to a sibling Simon, and i think they ultimately resided in Chihuahua. I find the names fascinating, though! Thank you for any information or suggestions!

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Published by KChavez – Tue, 2024-04-02 17:46 | Permalink

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Hello. Yes, those names are indeed attached to my tree on ancestry, but I haven’t been able to move beyond that.  As I stated above, I am interested in hearing if there are others with those names in their tree as the last name seems a bit unusual.  Forgive me if I wasn’t as specific as I needed to be for those reading the comment.  Thank you, and good luck in your research as well! 

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2024-04-02 13:43 | Permalink

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You asked for help yet you didn’t provide any information that could possibly help identify them as a spouse.   Was Ladislao married to Maria de Jesus Chavez?   Was Ciriaco married to Maria del Refugio Jimenez? Was Simon married to a woman surnamed Trujillo?


Good Luck in your research

Rick A. Ricci

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Jose Rafael Orozco's wives

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   Has anyone found the marriage of Jose Rafael Orozco/Orosco and Maria Guadalupe Vargas/Bargas?  Most likely in San Miguel el Alto, 1810-1817.

Is the Rafael Orosco that married Maria Ignacia Martin in 1824 the same Rafael Orosco that married Maria Guadalupe Bargas?  Ma Guadalupe died in 1822.  Her son, Jose Bitor Orosco Bargas has paternal grandparents listed in his baptismal record as: 

Jose Alejo( Bargas) y Orozco and Maria de San Juan Hernandez 

The Rafael Orozco/Maria Ignacia Martin line seems to be well researched, but I have not come across mention of a Ignacia being a second wife.

Any confirmation that I am coming to the correct conclusion that these is the same Rafael Orozco would appreciated.

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Published by silvernblack – Tue, 2024-03-12 12:02 | Permalink

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just follow the tree and click on the individuals.    go take a peek.  see what you think  both wives now on marriage tree.  Guadalupe Bargas died giving birth to Jose Bitor ... record shows she died giving birth - "mal parto" (bad childbirth)   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GQHL-Q2S

If you look at the record for his marriage to Ygnacia it mentions that his first wife was buried at the "Iglesia de San Migule" 2 years earlier.

 

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Relationship between Beltran de la Cueva Velasco and Ana Flores de la Torre

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Greetings to all,

I am fairly new to genealogical research, but I am trying to establish solid proof a one particular line going back 15 generations. I have been able to establish many of the generations, but I am having some trouble with a few. I have searched this site (and others) and have read many of the forums on this site, which offered great help, but have not been able to locate documentation for some generations. I only included marriage dates for the moment, but can include other information, if needed. I will follow with the generations I am trying to link and find documentation for. I also realize that some names may vary as individuals sometimes shortened or used a variation of their surnames. Below is the lineage starting with myself:

  1. Gabriel Brambila
  2. Gabriel Brambila married Francisca Mendoza 
  3. Gabriel Brambila married Sulema Garza in 1949
  4. Gabriel Brambila married Josefina Garcia y Reyna in 1908
  5. Jose Felipe Brambila married Florencia Contreras Cuevas in 1880
  6. Jose Luis Brambila
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Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano Gonzalez Leal

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   Is there a way to search this work online? 

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Published by mralvarez314 – Fri, 2024-03-08 13:28 | Permalink

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Although it is not searchable online, many of the families that are mentioned in it have been documented on this site and on others since Retoños' publication in 2010-2011:

This list of the surnames mentioned in Retoños was shared here before by other researchers. Review it and consider adding to your post which surname or chapter you are most interested in and perhaps I or someone else here can point you to what you're looking for. The more information you provide about your "brick wall" ancestors, the easier it is for others to help you.


1.- Aceves
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz-Infante
20.- Díaz-Varela
21.- Díaz de Sandi
22.- Enríquez del Castillo
23.- Escoto-Tovar
24.- Esquivel y Vargas
25.- Estévez y Guzmán
26.- Estrada-Bocanegra
27.- Fernández de Palos
28.- Fernández de Rueda
29.- Fernández de San Salvador
30.- Flores-Alatorre
31.- Flores de la Torre
32.- Franco de Cueva
33.- Franco de Escalante
34.- Franco de Paredes
35.- Gallegos
36.- Galván de Rojas
37.- García de Hermosillo
38.- García de León
39.- Gómez de Espejo
40.- Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza
41.- Gómez de Portugal
42.- González del Castillo
43.- González de Hermosillo
44.- González de Laris
45.- González-Rubio
46.- González de Rubalcava
47.- González de San Román
48.- Guerra
49.- Guerra de San Román
50.- Gutiérrez de Hermosillo
51.- Gutiérrez de Laris
52.- Gutiérrez de Mendoza
53.- Gutiérrez-Rubio
54.- Gutiérrez de Velasco
55.- Helguera (de la)
56.- Hernández-Gamiño
57.- Herrera
58.- Hurtado
59.- Hurtado de Mendoza
60.- Hurtado de Mendoza y Olivares
61.- Issasi
62.- Jiménez de Castro
63.- Jiménez de Mendoza
64.- Landeros
65.- Leal de Avala
66.- Lomelín (Lomellini)
67.- López de Heredia
68.- López de Lara
69.- López de Nava
70.- López de Rivadeneyra
71.- Lozano-Isla
72.- Macháin
73.- Macías-Valadez
74.- Manzo de Zúñiga
75.- Márquez de los Olivos
76.- Martín del Campo
77.- Martín-Gallardo
78.- Martín de Sotomayor
79.- Mora-Hurtado de Mendoza (de la)
80.- Moreno de Ortega
81.- Mota-Padilla (de la) (véase Padilla-Dávila)
82.- Muñoz de la Barba
83.- Muñoz de Hermosillo
84.- Muñoz de Jerez
85.- Muñoz de Nava
86.- Murguía
87.- Navarro-Gaytán
88.- Ortiz de Parada
89.- Ortiz-Peguero
90.- Padilla-Dávila
91.- Parga y Gayosso
92.- Peña (de la)
93.- Pérez-Franco
94.- Pérez de Paredes (véase Pérez-Franco)
95.- Pérez-Sandi
96.- Portillo (del)
97.- Rábago
98.- Ramírez de Hermosillo
99.- Ramírez de Mendoza
100.- Rentería
101.- Reynosa y Rentería
102.- Rodríguez de Portugal
103.- Romero de Chávez
104.- Romo de Vivar
105.- Ruiz de Esparza
106.- Sáinez de Santiago
107.- Sánchez de Porras
108.- San Román
109.- Tavera de la Vega
110.- Tello de Orozco
111.- Torre-Ledesma (de la)
112.- Torres
113.- Valdivia
114.- Vázquez de Victoria
115.- Vázquez de Zermeño
116.- Verdín
117.- Villalobos

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Durango Researcher Javier R. Avitia

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   Does anyone know how to contact Javier R. Avitia?  He has a database of thousands of individuals from Canelas, Durango, Mexico.  I mention this here because I believe a number of you do research in Durango.  I have found his posts online , but no way of contacting him.  The post are 17-25 years old.  He did live in Los Angeles.  I have made attempts to find him with no luck.  He definitely has lines I am researching.  Please let me know how to contact him or his relations or ask him to contact me.  Thanks.          celeste@agabra.com

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Najar Lujano in San Miguel el Alto/Arandas

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   I have hit a wall in my Najar line with Casimiro Najar Lujano.  He was born ~1810 and married Maria Petra Rodrigues in 1830 in Arandas.  His parents are Jose Angel Najar and Maria Nieves Lujano.  This is where I stop.  Any help from "cousins" or suggestions on where to look would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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