“Under the condition” that they are not already baptized. This was done in cases in which perhaps the child was a foundling, or maybe had been given an emergency baptism after a troubled birth, or was maybe a recent convert.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Jose Ana  Marquez and Jesus Marquez Both have the same parents, Felipe Marquez and Susana Martin according to marriage and baptismal records, and they are both married to the same Maria Nieves Ledesma that is a daughter of Jose Dolores Ledesma and Petra Sanchez.   I don’t know if they are the same person but they have the same ancestry.   Jose Ana Marquez has an older brother named Jesus Marquez.

You are correct that they are parent of the “Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line” as Susana Guadalupe Martin del Campo descends from them.

See:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/KCLW-X2L

Rick A. Ricci 

Hola.

En la plataforma Geneanet en la genealogía aportada por Javier Sánchiz, se encuentra la siguiente información:

Primera Generación

Hernando Padilla Dávila (1494) casado con Leonor de Machicao

Segunda generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Machicao (1530) casado con Mariana Temiño de Velasco

Tercera Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Temiño de Velasco (1560) casado con Ana Mota Vera

Cuarta Generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Mota (1609) casado en primeras nupcias con Catalina Híjar Mesa

Quinta Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Híjar casado con Lucía Flores de la Torre

Aparece un segundo matrimonio, pero no con Inés de Castro y Mesa, es probable que Catalina si sea la madre de Diego, pero que aparezca como madre otra mujer (Inés) que pudo ser su madrastra y a la vez su tía.

Antiguamente existía la costumbre, los viudos con bebés se casaban con una hermana o parienta de la mujer fallecida para que les ayudara a criar el niño.  Tanto Catalina como Inés comparten el apellido Mesa. También es probable que Lorenzo se haya casado tres veces o más.

Saludos

Marcelina

I have done much research on the Orosco family in Spain.   And yes they have a Jewish background.   Some of the branches converted but many members of the family kept many of their Jewish traditions.   The trunk of this family was close to the Covarrubias family.  After much research it turned out that the Covarrubias had a similar Jewish background.     Many of the families that were the founding members in Los Altos de Jalisco had a mixture of Jewish ancestors and younger members of noble families.   

Rick A. Ricci 

Buen día, yo los encontré acá:  https://mexicangenealogy.com/listas-pasajeros-a-indias-passenger-lists-…

Saludos.

You didn’t give me much to go one as you didn’t provide wives names or why you came up with those dates.    
Many people use a mother’s surname or a grandparent’s surname instead of the father’s surname.

Here is a Bernabe Oñate that was born in 1808 :

Jose Antonio “Bernabe” Elizarraras Onate is the son of Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras and Maria Gertrudis De Onate.

Maria Gertrudis De Onate is the daughter on Jose Dionicio Oñate (Doñate) and Maria Estefania Ledesma.

——————++++++++++++++———————————

Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras Is the son of Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras and Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez.

Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Cruz.

Pedro Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Simona

Good luck in your research, 

Rick A. Ricci

is this him?  note that he is attached to Alfredo Macias Avila in family search dot org.  

Was the wife's name Angela Cuevas?  

 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7KMD-85PZ

1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


Rick A. Ricci

Alfredo Avila Huizar and  Alfredo Avila Macias are two different people 


Rick A. Ricci

what were alfredo's parents name?  mother and father?

Thank you so much for these! Is the book that these are in available online? Do they have Totatiche, Jalisco or Monte Escobedo or Jerez, Zacatecas?