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Hello, I came across the word coate after a birth name. I'm not
sure if it is part of the name or a description. It is shown as
"Antonio coate mulato". I cannot tell if it is capitalized or not. Has
anyone come across this word in your research? I thought is
might be coyote, but mulato is listed right after.
Cynthia

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coate or cuate would be a twin.....

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Look at the surrounding entries. See if there is another child with the same surname.

Meaning of "coates"

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Could it be that Antonio is a cuate or mellizo (fraternal twin)?

If so, than a possible translation could be: "...Antonio, twin, mulatto..."

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RUIZ DE ESPARZA EN SAN LUIS POTOSÍ

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Has anyone else noticed that in San Luis Potosi, there was a man named Lope Ruiz de Esparza, living there as early as 7 June 1644? On that date, in the parish of Nra Sra de la Asuncion de Tlaxcalilla, he married Elena de la Cruz, who according to other records, lived in the home of Martin Navarro, on whose rancho and carbonera this couple would live for years, said to be his “criados.”

They had at least 4 children:
1. Josepha Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1645, San Luis Potosi
2. Domingo Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1646, San Luis Potosi
3. Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, b. 08 Dec 1648, San Luis Potosi, m. Francisco Delgadillo aka Juan Delgado, 7 Jan 1664, San Luis Potosi
4. Pedro Ruiz de Esparza Cruz, b. 27 Aug 1651, Aguascalientes, m. Juana Prieto Gallardo, 20 Oct 1671, San Luis Potosi.

Around August 1676, Elena de la Cruz died, and on 8 Feb 1678, in San Francisco de Pozos SLP, Lope Ruiz married his second wife, Elena de Acosta y Gogorron.

They had at least three children:
1. Maria de Esparza Acosta, b. 24

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Lope Ruiz

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Happy New Year to all! Thank you, Manny, for once again and again and again giving us all something interesting to read, to think about and hopefully find more leads to answer the questions we have. I haven't read any of the links so don't know how Criado was used whether servant or was raised by Martin Navarro. Come the new year, I will definitely read!

Saludos, Primo

RUIZ DE ESPARZA EN SAN LUIS POTOSÍ

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Hi Manny

Very intersting and exciting! Thanks for including all the links!

Looking forward to your follow-up post :)

Best regards,

Denise L. Hernandez Fastrup

Ohhh this one is an exciting…

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Ohhh this one is an exciting thread!

Criado

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Manny,

You must remember that criado did not mean servant back then. Criado meant that you served under someone with a higher position. You could have a high position and still be called criado because you had a boss.

Testamento de Francisco Rodríguez Ponce; indexing Protocolos

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Dear Members,

I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara. I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile. I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660. I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription. It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists! Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details. It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to how people are related that are not even in his direct line. He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living. Finally, he was extremely rich. He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo

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Carta de dote

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Hola Sergio,

Great work! Here’s another document relative to don Francisco - the carta de dote of doña Juana de Avalos, which he submitted on 2 Feb 1660: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-X71J?cat=198356

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Familia relationships in the will of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce

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Dear Members,

As I mentioned before, I find it fascinating how much Francisco Rodríguez Ponce focused on how everyone was related, even when as far as we can tell they were not HIS relatives.

He names his father, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce (?-1643) and his mother Francisca de Rentería y Velasco (?-1661), as well as his paternal grandfather, Alonso Rodríguez Ponce (?-?). He also names his wife, Juana de Avalos y Bocanegra, and his in-laws, Diego de Bocanegra y Cervantes (?-), and the powerful and well-known María Verdugo y Avalos (?-before 1660). He finally mentions his six children, whom he names specifically, María Verdugo y Ponce, Juana de Avalos, Diego de Bocanegra, Joseph Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, Francisca Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, and Angela de Velasco. They are obviously named for several grandparents or great-grandparents of the same name.

He also names his uncle Miguel de Rentería Muxica, and his two sisters Catalina de Rentería y Ponce (married to Pedro de Vidarte Pardo), and Angela de Rentería y Velasco (married to Fernando de Oñate y Mendoza).

He names the burial place of all the Avalos family in Guachinango, at the Franciscan convent in Guachinango.

Below are some highlights for families of the Autlán and Tecolotlán areas that are of interest to me from Francisco Rodriguez Ponce:

He bough the Hacienda de San Clemente en Tecolotlán from Juan de Ortega Maldonado, was the executor of the will of Juana de Sea, widow of Hernando Ximénez Caldreón. I have a Juan de Ortega Maldonado having a child with María de Betancur in 1673 in Tecolotlán, Agustín de Ortega y Betancur https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-59S4-BS?i=64&cc=1874591 I am assuming this is likely the same person, but not sure. I also have a Juan de Ortega Maldonado married to Juana Luisa Galindo as parents of María de Ortega y Maldonado, married to Martín Fernández Partida. This is from Gabriel Agraz García de Alba's "Esbozos Historicos de Tecolotlán," chpt 6.
He notes whom he bought the Hacienda of San Antonio de la Rinconada. He bought if from Felipe de Mora, married to María Tellez, daughter or Diego Tellez de Herrera and Michaela de Quevedo. This source helped me confirm that the Telles last name, was Tellez de Herrera, and that the Quevedo family left descendants in Autlán. I had previously found the will of Andrés Martínez de Quevedo. This opens up the line on question as to whether the Tellez de Herrera and the Tellez de Buedo families were related?
He bought the estancias of Vistabuena and San Cristóbal from the Alfz. Suero Vázquez de Moscoso and his sister Constanza de Castro y Mesa (who went by the last name of (Híjar y Mesa), and he notes that they were children of Cap. Lorenzo de Castro y Mesa and Costanza de Moscoso, and siblings of Gregorio de Castro y Mesa. I had previously confirmed this with the will of Costansa de Híjar y Mesa, but this gives another primary source verification that Alfz. Suero Vázquez de Moscoso, was the son of of Lorenzo de Castro y Mesa and Costanza de Moscoso. Here is Costanza de Híjár y Mesa's will for reference. I previously posted it on NR. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-Y95J-C?i=244&cat=130231

Anyways, I hope you all find this helpful, and might be able to help disentangle some fo the 17th century families y Nueva Galicia where we have spotty church records.

Regards,

Sergio Sean Salés

Testamento de Francisco Rodríguez Ponce; indexing Protocolos

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Thank you so much for posting this! There is so many documents out there that are yet to be discovered!

Help with translation "campo santo ventilado"

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I've run across this phrase in a record of burials in Mexico and I've never seen it before. "Campo Santo" of course is graveyard. But what does "ventilado" mean in this context? See image below. The phrase occurs repeatedly in this set of records. Thanks to all.

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I found the answer here:…

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I found the answer here: https://www.ayto-torrejon.es/sites/default/files/intranet/MiPaginaDesca…

Who is this Francisca de la Ascencion?

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…

If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is?

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Francisca de la Asencion

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That’s an interesting clue.

On some records, Francisca de Islas, daughter of Juan de Islas Sandoval cc Juana de Rivera, and wife of Juan Lopez de Lizardi, was called Francisca de la Asencion (baptisms of sons Juan de Dios and Cayetano).

Good eye! Thanks for sharing!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Yes, it matches now with the…

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Yes, it matches now with the 14 year old Domingo Mejia. I just dismissed him as a possible padrino because of his age and assumed it was more likely the ~40 year old Domingo Mejia. Thanks

Interesting Baptism Name

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This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin.

Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?

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Bautista

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While “Bautista” can be a surname, it is also a proper name. I remember my father had a cousin with that name in his hometown: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bautista_(nombre)

I hope that helps!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Thank you, manny

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I appreciate your explanation! I learned something new :)

-Laura

My Introduction

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https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.

Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:

Hope you might find something useful.

Regards,

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Great Photos!

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Thank you for sharing. You have some lovely photos in your tree! I love black and white pictures!

Laura

Origin of the Araiza y Medina family (one step closer)

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939D-DXXC?i=304&wc=3P8Q-6TL%3A122652201%2C132529401%3Fcc%3D1615259&cc=1615259

Dear Members,

I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.

The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.

I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he

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Araiza's/ "Vecinos"/ Medina/ 1739 Gabriel Araiza documents

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Mr. Sales,

I agree with you that this marriage record fits the time line of the Araiza Y Medina Line. Great information from it!!

The marriage does indicate that Hernando Arayze and Maria Guzman are "Vecinos" of the city . Juan De Araiza's Testament says they were Vecinos of Zacatecas .(probably later)

In the past, we did talk about the 1739 ordination investigation of Gabriel Araiza in comparison to the 1664 Testament of Juan De Araiza Y Medina. The will stating they are "Vecinos" of Zacatecas, and the Investigation stating that Juan De Araiza Y Medina was born in "Un Lugar en La Vizcay en los Reinos de Castilla".

Could the ordination investigation be wrong? Could it be possible that Juan de Araiza already have been born at the time of the marriage in 1592?

Also noted in the marriage is a 'Joan De Medina" , I wonder what relation this person had to Hernando and could this person be the contributor to the Araiza Y Medina surname?

Great Stuff!!!

More on the ancestry of Alonso de Estrada

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Hola prim@s,

This is the Ejecutoria del pleito de hidalguía filed by Licenciado Diego Hernández de Vergara, dated 12 Jul 1548: http://pares.mcu.es:80/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5703246
Licenciado Vergara was a 1st-cousin of treasurer & governor Alonso de Estrada, according to the very detailed genealogy given by Estrada’s cousin, Mari Fernández Hidalgo, in the 1585 limpieza of Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2D-KSYH?cat=630488
The genealogy given in this document coincides perfectly with that genealogy. It even goes back one more generation, and names Licenciado Vergara’s (and Estrada’s) great-grandfather as Juan Alonso, vecino de Ciudad Real (who apparently received a carta ejecutoria de su hidalguía from King Pedro de Castilla). Here’s what the family tree now looks like:

1st generation: Juan Alonso cc ?

2nd generation: Diego Hernández Hidalgo cc Mari González de Estrada

3rd generation:
a. Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Mozo” cc

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Nail in the coffin

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Thank you Manny for sharing as I still had my doubts. I still have the original booklet regarding Alonso Estrada’s genealogy. It is fragile and I am looking to donate to a library, but I haven’t decided which library.

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you Manny!!

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Thank you Manny!!

Does anyone know what this means?

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Hello, I am looking at a baptism record for a brother of my 5th great grandfather. I have attached the record and also here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-GYLD-7?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6D2Z-7KX6&action=view

The child's name is Joesph Maria Cleofas Ledesma. The entry is the last one (bottom right page).

The part I need help with is this... After his name it says "espanol de los ???" I don't know what the next word is and I am wondering if it is signifigant.

Thank you!

Laura