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SIERRA DE PINOS: Eugenio Rufino Galván cc María Dolores Fernández

After nearly a dozen years of looking for clues, I’ve finally broken down a wall that had perplexed me. My 5g grandparents, Eugenio Rufino Galván and María Dolores Fernández, lived in Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas, during the last quarter of the 18th century. They also lived part of the time in Real de Catorce, Slp. They first appear in the Pinos parish records on 16 Mar 1776, when their children, Juan Joseph and Maria Josefa, were confirmed. Maria Dolores Fernandez died and was buried 26 Feb 1793 in Pinos; according to her burial record, she was originally from Silao, Gto. Eugenio Galván married a second time, to Maria Micaela Cordoba, on 10 Jun 1793, in Real de Catorce. According to his IM, he was about 53 years old (b. 1740) and he was also from Silao. 
I started dredging the archives of Silao looking for any clues. Though I found some Galvan’s and plenty of Fernandez’s, I could still find no sign of Eugenio Rufino, which is a really unique name. So I put this couple on the backburner

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I hate the name swap issues so dang much! Happens in italian church records too but nowhere near as often as mexican church records. Nice work!

Who is this Bernardino de Sandoval who was born approximately in the 1630s?

Who is this Bernardino de Sandoval who was born approximately in the 1630s? I am not sure if I am reading the documents right, but it seems Jeromino de Sandoval (Magdalena de Lavezares) has a brother name Bernardino.

From the first section of documents, 

  1. Jeromino de Sandoval is the son of Catalina Cortes - image 129 of 512
  2. Juan and Cristobal de Sandoval are brothers, sons of Jeromino de Sandoval - image 130 of 512

Then from second section of documents,  

  1. I believe it says Bernardino de Sandoval is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval - image 325 of 512, left side, third line from the bottom.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SH1-F?i=324&cat=278176

From the 1649 padrones, there are 4 Bernardinos present in Nochistlan. 

  1. Bernardino de Isla - decreased by 1690
  2. Bernardino de Sandoval, son of Nicolas de Sandoval - deceased by 1690.
  3. Bernardino de Isla - N
  4. Bernardino de Isla - N


 

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I think in the second set of documents the cited Juan Moscoso Sandoval is alive. Therefore it cannot be the one married to Catalina Cortes nor his son. It does say Bernardino is the "tio" of the Juan Moscoso Sandoval in the documents.

I cannot say for sure who this Bernardino is but he could be of the generation of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes' children or a child of one of their earliest children. He could be a child of Mariana Moscoso y Sandoval Cortes and Bernardino Gonzalez de Islas for example.

 

Sorry I couldnt be much help

 

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From these documents it says that Bernardino de Sandoval (born ~1630s) is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval (son of Jeronimo de Sandoval and Magdalena de Laverazes, husband of Maria Duran) and therefore the brother of Jeronimo de Sandoval (Magdalena de Laverazes), which can then be inferred that this Bernardino de Sandoval is the son of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval (Catalina Cortes).

The issue is that I am not aware of any other document saying this or suggesting that Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval (Catalina Cortes) had a son named Bernardino de Sandoval.  

From the first section of documents, 

  1. Jeromino de Sandoval is the son of Catalina Cortes (not named Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval) - image 129 of 512
  2. Juan and Cristobal de Sandoval are brothers, sons of Jeromino de Sandoval (not named Magdalena de Laverazes) - image 130 of 512

Then from second section of documents, which includes pretty much the all the same people 

  1.  it says Bernardino de Sandoval is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval (not named Maria Duran) - image 325 of 512, left side, third line from the bottom.


 

(i)legitimate child

Hi everyone! I have a rather specific question. I am having an insight at my third great grandfather (i hope that's right) because I found that he was born out of wedlock in 1806. The registry literally says "legitimate son (I mean) illegitimate son of...", which is not only hilarious but puzzling. Two years later, in 1808, his parents did get married, however, I didn't find any dispensa, AND the registry does say the mother was a maiden. So I wonder what could've happened. Has anyone come across something similar? I'm guessing if they maybe kept it a secret? Also both parents are rather old; the father was 40 and a widow, and the mother was 30, never married. Being a small town in Nochistlán, it seems a bit off. Thanks in advance for your theories!

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Hi, I think it's fairly common. In my case, my 3rd grand father (Pedro Navarro AKA Pedro Vivas AKA Pedro Rivas AKA Pedro González) is mentioned as a legitimate child of a Trinidad Navarro and Eugenia Vivas in his marriage information, but in his birth information he's the son of Eugenia Vivas and unknown father. 
To make things more confusing in certain documents he mentions that his father is Luis Gabriel González, but always names his mother as Eugenia Vivas or Rivas. 
Until now I haven't found any dispensa or marriage documents from Eugenia Vivas, so I am guessing the "Legitimate" status in his marriage information may be made up.

Best regards!

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to state if the child was legitimo or natural......Sometimes they even kept a separate book for the "hijos naturales".....

JUANA NAVARRO, MUJER DE BENITO DE ISLAS: HIJA DE MARTÍN NAVARRO

Hola prim@s,

This is a group of documents regarding some lands belonging to Andrea Gonzalez Bermejo, wife of Cristobal Barburen, of Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S93-C?i=191&cat=…

The lands were originally granted to Martin Navarro in October 1575 (image 209 btm right); he signed them over to his yerno, Benito de Yslas, as part of the dowry of his daughter, Juana Navarro (image 210 right). She in turn, (beginning on image 195) donated them to Antonio Gonzalez de Rubalcava and to Antonio de Bastidas, husbands of her granddaughters, Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Lozano, respectively, who were daughters of her daughter, Petronila de Yslas, married to Pedro Lozano. The donations were made in 1630, so Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Locano could have been born as late as 1618; you can do the math to figure out the approximate ages of everyone else involved. 
Tantalizing, ain’t it? While it can’t be said with complete certainty that the Martin Navarro

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Hi Alex,

I sure did. And I’m glad you took a look at the document, because your paleographical skills are much better than mine! I thought it said “franco gonzales i m.a [ILL] de Ysla su mujer”. But now that I look at it, it clearly says “franco gonzales en n.e (nombre) de Ben[ito] de Ysla su suegro.” Good eye! https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S97-7?i=209&cat=…

Now the question is: if this Benito de Isla IS the same who was father of Magdalena de Lavezaris, Maria de Isla, and Maria de Isla mestiza su hija bastada, which son-in-law is he? Is he Francisco Gonzalez, husband of Maria de Isla mestiza? Or is he Francisco Gonzalez Martinez, husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris?

Thanks, Alex!

Abrazos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo 
 

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Ah it seems my tree is not so built up on this part of the family. All I have is a Benito de Islas m. unk, father of:

Maria de Islas (mestiza) m. unk mother of Luisa de Islas

Maria de Islas d. 1667 m. Andres Martin Sotomayor

Magdalena de Labesares m. Francisco Gonzalez

 

Seems I never located/figured out mestiza Maria's husband

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You are right. Looking at my tree, I have it as unsourced. I don’t know where I got that name from - maybe I picked it up in one of the many discussions had in this forum? Whatever the case, I shouldn’t have mentioned it in this thread - please strike it! I do not know if Maria de Isla mestiza hija bastarda de Benito de Isla ever married, only that she had a daughter name Luisa de Islas!

What we know from this record is, this Benito de Isla also had a son-in-law named Francisco Gonzalez, who presented this title in Benito’s name in 1610, telling us that Benito was still alive that year.

Thanks!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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I read the last name as “aramburun” and not Barburen (Cristobal de Aramburu m Andrea Gonzalez in 1730, #17 of 571).

Magdalena Velasco (Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño)

Good day,

I trust all are well.  I am searching for the parents of Magdalena Velasco,

Wife of Joseph de Aceves Fernández y Becerra

Mother of Nicolás Aceves y Ruiz de Velasco

(1682 • Ayo El Chico, Jalisco)

Online suggestions indicate her parents were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de los Ángeles Ruiz de Haro y Velasco.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to sources to aid in my research?

Un cordial saludo,

Sandra Garza Aceves

 

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in her page.

I can't believe spaced it earlier.  It is relevant because you and another person were using that as her supposed name.  Maybe it will help with searches later.  

You can see multiple alternate names, and spelling of names, under the "Other Information" section of her page:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2BLY-LX2

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quite filled out I must say... and, YES, you can see Magdalena's parents there...her name was:

 Magdalena Hernández Velázquez y Ruiz de Haro

Gotta have the right name... otherwise it's a bear.  I'm fairly confident this is what you're looking for????  Well, hopefully....

TREE:   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LY99-PPD

Magda's page:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2BLY-LX2

Moco/a or Mozo/a?

In the book, "Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales" I am seeing the term "Moco" and "Moca" throughout and wondering if that is a misspelling of "mozo" and "moza"?  For example, here is an entry from page 104:

Maria Yniguez de Estrada, moca espanola doncella, hija de Lorenzo Mexia . . . (dated 1649 in Nochistlan)

In the 1998 edition of Spanish Colonial Terms (by Ophelia Marquez & Lilian Ramos Navarro Wold), they included the term "Mozo" and "Moza" as follows.  That seems to fit within the context here.  

Does anyone know the referenced term?  Thank you!

Mozo;Youth, young man, lad, bachelor; manservant. A younger person with the same name, usually related.
Moza;Younger woman.

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you did not add a link to check, but when I see things like this I go look at other entries by the same scribe to see if I notice a pattern.... if there is a pattern by this particular scribe then it would likely be a valid assumption.

Jose Cresencio Bugarin

Recently someone asked a question regarding Cresencio Bugarin from Atolinga Zacatecas. I can’t find the comment anymore but here is what I found: Jose Cresencio Bugarin, born in the “rancho de Laguna”, born 19/April/1880 baptized on 26/April/1880 in Atolinga, Zacatecas. He is the son of Marcial Bugarin and Maria Huerta, paternal grandparents are Julian Bulgarian and Bacilia Hermosillo, maternal grandmother is Juana de Huerta . His civil record names him Cresencio, while the baptismal record on that same date names him José Cresencio Bugarin. Marcial also had children with Maria Weneslao Huerta. The two Marias are not the same person. Marcial Bugarin had children from at least three relationships. The proof that the two Marias are not the same person is that they each have different parents. Rick A. Ricci

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Recently someone asked a question regarding Cresencio Bugarin from Atolinga Zacatecas.   I can’t find the comment anymore but here is what I found:
Jose Cresencio Bugarin, born in the “rancho de  Laguna”,  born 19/April/1880 baptized on 26/April/1880 in Atolinga, Zacatecas. He is the son of Marcial Bugarin and Maria Huerta, paternal grandparents are Julian Bulgarian and Bacilia Hermosillo, maternal grandmother is Juana de Huerta .    His civil record names him Cresencio, while the baptismal record on that same date names him José Cresencio Bugarin.    Marcial also had children with Maria Weneslao Huerta.  The two Marias are not the same person.    Marcial Bugarin had children from at least three relationships.   The proof that the two Marias are not the same person is that they each have different parents.  

Rick A. Ricci

Locating a Testamento in the Zacatecas Archives

There is a list of notarial documents from Zacatecas on this website that were translated by Jaime Holcombe. One referred to a "testamento" in Zacatecas for a Margarita Tinoco. Does anyone know how to obtain or view the actual document online instead of the summary of it? Thanks.

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Have you looked in the archives of Guadalajara? Don’t forget: Zacatecas was part of the Kingdom of Nueva Galicia during the viceroy period, whose capital was Guadalajara, and some of its historical archives are available online.These archives are not indexed, so you’ll have to go through the individual rolls of film.

Here are the testamentos, 1500-1895: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/130231?availability=Family%…

And here are the notary archives. Some testamentos, codicils, and probate records can be found among them: 
1583-1674: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/198356?availability=Family%…
1606-1903: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/35680?availability=Family%2…

Here’s another resource that I came upon that I found useful for at least one of my ancestors, it’s an archives of testamentos and probate records from 16th century Zacatecas: http://ru.juridicas.unam.mx/xmlui/handle/123456789/9366

If the individuals were peninsulars living in the new world, some “bienes de difuntos” can be found at the PARES website, Make sure you select the Archivo General de Indias in the filter: http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/search

I hope you find these useful - good luck!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Thank you, Manny. This opens up a new world for me. I was feeling so discouraged lately. I have ancestors in the Cd, de Durango in the early 1600s and it became obvious they were mixing with people from Zacatecas. It seemed logical that they too would come from there, but the church records didn't go back far enough on Familysearch. Some of the surnames with connections to Zacatecas were Tinoco y Tello, Ortiz de San Pedro, and Valle. The surnames Tello and Valle appeared in a link to one of the the testamentos from UNAM that you sent. I have a lot of work to do!

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Thank you, but a testamento (a will)  is a notarial record and not included in church records. Familysearch only had a phone number for the Zacatecas historical state archive. I was hoping there is a way to view or order archive items online. Some American universities have Mexican archives, but so far I haven't been able to find any. I am finding that it's impossible to find Zacatecas church records for the early 1600s. Has anyone out there had any luck finding those?

Jose Jesus Najar b.1760 Jalostotitlan

   I am getting stymied with Jose Jesus Najar(b1760), father Manuel, mom Maria Gertrudis, married Maria de los Dolores 1780 Jalostotitlan.  I am finding multiple surnames for the mother and wife.  If anyone can help me keep moving back I would appreciate it.

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Looks like the name is JOSEPH DE JESUS NAJAR SANCHEZ and he married Maria de los Dolores Moya Y Plasencia on 05 FEB 1780 at Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico, and his parents were MANUEL NAJAR and MARIA GERTRUDIS SANCHEZ.    

  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MTLL-1TK

Maria de los Dolores Moya Y Placencia has parents named Manuel Moya and it seems like the mother's first name, "Maria Gertrudis", is assumed ...but her surname "Plasencia' appears to carry forward when mentioned in other children and grandchildren birth records.  The mother's name "Maria Gertrudis" is mentioned in the marriage record but it could be a transcription error since the grooms mother's first name is also "Maria Gertrudis".....  Anyway, there it is...hope it helps.

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   I have seen that, but the thing is, the records list Dolores Moya or Dolores Plasencia, never Dolores Moya y Plasencia.  Only in the pedigree chart do you see the two names together.   I have yet to find a record that lists Dolores' parents and Jesus Najar.

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as you will note when following mexican genealogy there is a lot of flexibility in using either the mother's or the father's surname.  it is not atypical to see that, sometimes they would use the surname of the mothers ONLY since the father's surname is assumed in the childs name..... really quite annoying..  

what makes it look valid is the chidlren and grandchildren records where the surnames are mentioned.  ..... however, you are correct .. I am not sure if the Plasencia name is valid...  or if somehow it got conflated into the the tree...

Translation help

In this document is my 3rd great grandfather Jose Dolores Jimenez. There is two separate pictures because the document was found on two different pages. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 
 

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...it is mentioned in the birth of her kid(s).  I found a Jose Arechar in Los Pinos who i think is the same guy and he has a whole 'nother family....but I cannot confirm so i did not merge the 2 Joses...  One her names in Familysearch dot org is Tomasa Arechar Rodriguez....   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/GW7L-X2J

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here you.... I tried to translate as accurately as I could read the thing.  and here is a direct link to the page: 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BS3W-R?view=index&pers…

 

In the Chapel of Los Campos on 2 May 1865, i the "presbiterio"  (D.=Mr) Mr Mucio Godina(?), with License from the Parrish, with prior necessary consent(s), the examination(as best as i can tell) of the Christian Doctrine, the three moviciones( (conditions?) provided for by the Holy Council of Trent,  that were the 16th, 23d, and 30th of the previous month, which resulted in not any impediment, prepared with the Holy Sacraments of the Penitence and Eucharist, married and blessed, in faciae ecleciae (IN FACIE ECCLESIAE. Definition: In facie ecclesiae means "in the face of the church."), Jose Dolores Jimenez, celibate of 21 years of age, originally from Los Pinos, and resident("vecino" is kinda like neighbor from) of La Monteza, legitimate son of Jose Guadalupe Jimenez and of Juana Martinez that are alive, with Tomasa Rodriguez, celibate of 15 years of age, originally and neighbor of Rancho de La Milpa, Natural Daughter (read: illegitimate) of Estefana Rodriguez who is alive.  Godparents Ydelfonso & Martina Jimenez.  Witnesses Andres Lopez & Rosalino Santoya.  For the record I signed along with the Priest. 

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José Dolores Jiménez (single, 21 years old, from Pinos and legitimate son of José Guadalupe Jiménez and Juana Martínez) and Tomasa Rodríguez (single, 15 years old, from Rancho de la Milpa and natural daughter of Estéfana Rodríguez) were married in the chapel of the hacienda of los Campos on May 22, 1865.

Here is the link to their información matrimonial: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-YRDZ-X. It adds that he is originally from Pinos and was then a resident of La Monteza. The witnesses all confirmed the biographical information.