https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8BQ-DY4

I looked around saw this...  

I suspect that "Santos" and "Santiago" are the same person.  You will note that many Mexican documents use alterations and nicknames for the original name.  Preponderance of information indicates that for the children being born and married that mention these names is the he is one and the same. 

Manny,

Thank you for sharing!

The 1649 padrón also contains assorted maps on the last few images. My guess is that they are from the 1980s.

• Imagen 26 - Mapa del Sistema La Zurda-Calderón, un proyecto de abastecimiento de agua para la Zona Metropolitana de Guadalajara (después de 1980)
• Imagen 27 - Mapa de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco (sin fecha)
• Imagen 28 - Índice del mapa de Jalostotitlán (sin fecha)
• Imagen 29 - Mapa del municipio de San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco (sin fecha)
• Imagen 30 - Mapa de Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, (sin fecha)
• Imagen 31- Mapa de San Miguel el Alto (sin fecha)

Padrones adicionales de Jalostotitlán:

• 1650 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W92C
• 1670 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9K2
• 1672 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9JY
• 1673 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9MR
• 1679 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9N3
• 1770 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W1W
• 1817 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7519
• 1819 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7RZK
• 1824 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7R43
• 1831 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-75FQ
• 1833 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7R9V
• 1846 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-7RFG
• 1885 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-75VH
• Varios años - Padrones de la parroquia de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción

I’ve been researching the Rosas of Valladolid>Guadalajara for about a dozen years. I descend from Nicolas de Rosas & Isabel de Guzman, through their son Carlos de Rosas. And while Nicolas and Isabel did baptize a son named Domingo in 1668, I’ve been unable to determine whether he is the same who married Juana Berrinches Ramirez. The last record I have of Domingo de Rosas Guzman is when he and his sister Isabel were godparents for a cousin’s child on 9 Apr 1697 in Ocotlan. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5R4-3?i=417&wc=3J6F-7…

He is probably the same person - if not, then your Domingo de Rosas might be the son of Nicolas’ brother, Juan de Rosas, who married Juana de la Mora Zamora on 27 Aug 1656 in Ocotlan: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G55W-J?i=151&wc=3J6F-7…
Though I have no record of them having a son named Domingo, it’s possible.

Good luck, let us know if you find anything.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Miguel,

I also noticed you were looking for info out of the book: Los Torres de Jaén en México:
raíces, tronco y ramas de una estirpe milenaria
Gonzalo Torres Martínez
Editorial Jus, 1975 - Jaén (Spain) - 764 pages

Welcome to the club. I am also interested in the sources that this book may list.

The closest hard copy of the book for me is in the large LDS genealogy library in Salt Lake
City, Utah. There may be another library closer to you, as I live in Arizona.

I too am interested in this book, as it is my only source reference to the marriage date of
Bernabe Felipe de Torres and Ana "Anna" Zermeno. The book states they were married on 1 May
1739 in Lagos de Moreno.  I have yet to find this in typical online Lagos and surrounding
parish records. I do believe the date of the marriage is correct, because I do have the 1739
marriage informacion record via the Arquidiocesis de Morelia at the following link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BKYL-M?cc=1883388

I am currently using the 1 May 1739 date of marriage, but would like to find the source info.
The last date in the marriage information record is 2 April 1739, which is in the range for a 
1 May 1739 marriage, after the Arquidiocesis approved the marriage.

Also, I am not sure that Lagos was the marriage location, as the document is drafted out of
Leon, Guanajuato, but the document also states that that Ana Zermeno was from Lagos de Moreno,
and Bernabe Felipe Torres was from Jaen, Spain, but he resided in Leon.  

They very well could have been married in either location.  The source is likely from another
Lagos record, such as a will, inquistion, notary, or land record.

Lee

Hi Miguel,
Welcome to the Nuestros Ranchos site!.  I am one of 6 co-admins for the site, helping maintain the site "behind the scenes". This allows the great
folks that have ran this site for the last 20 years to operate the site. I really have not posted much on this site, since most of the relations of the
family of my wife are North of Jalisco, with the exception of some older Renteria and Reynoso families who I have researched over the years.
Several years ago my grand-son married into the Zermeno family, and hence my interest in this thread with your Merced Gonzales and Blas
Soto (mayor). The connection is distant, with the common ancestor being Antonio Tadeo Zermeno, baptized 25 Novemeber 1722 in Lagos. 
Ysidro Gonzales de Hermosillo married Maria Gertrudis Zermeno on 13 January 1766 in Lagos.  I have not researched this portion the family
much at all, since the connection is very distant, but Jose Rafael Gonzales de Hermosillo was one of their children, baptized in Lagos on
24 Sep 1776.  Rafael Gonzales Zermeno married Maria San Josefa Peres Prido on 6 February 1805 in Lagos.  

The 1805 marriage dispensation:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-893M-WXRL?cc=1937239
Registros matrimoniales diocesanos 1804 Caja 138
image 1252 of 1530
Late 1804 Marriage dispensation for Jose Rafael Gonsales (Gonsales Hermosillo Zermeno) and Maria San Josefa Peres (Peres Prido)
Rafael Gonsales is listed as originally from the Puesto of Agostadero (in San Juan de los Lagos?), but a resident of Lagos de Moreno.
Listed as the son of Ysidro Gonsales and Maria Gertrudis Zermeno.  His age in 1804 was listed as 27 years old (placing birth year
circa 1777).
Maria Josefa Peres is listed as originally of Lagos de Moreno.  Listed as the daughter of Jose Nicolas Peres (deceased) and Maria
de los Dolores Prido (living). Her age in 1804 was listed as 15 years old (placing birth year circa 1790)
The bride/groom were distantly related through the Zermeno family as follows:
Antonio Zermeno and Ana Zermeno were brother/sister
Antonio Zermeno was the father of Maria Gertrudis Zermeno, who was the mother of Rafael Gonsalez (groom)
Ana Zermeno was the mother of Ygnacia Torres, who was the mother of Dolores Prido, who was the mother of Maria San
Jose(fa) Peres (bride)

The 1839 Leon, Guanajuato marriage of Blas Soto (Mayor) and Merced Gonzales likely occurred about a month after the Information
Marriage was reviewed by the Arquidiócesis in Morelia, which appears to be approved at the end of the document, which is
dated 7 September 1839.  Not always, but normally marriages follow about 30 days afterward.  The Information Matrimonial document:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TF-VGNQ?cc=1883388
Morelia > Arquidiócesis de Morelia
Information matrimonial 1839
image 484 of 3359
The information of intent to marry was listed on 30 August 1839.
The main info:
Blas Soto was listed as 22 years of age in 1839, and noted as the son of Rafael Soto and Mateana Sardeneta.
Maria de la Merced Gonzales was listed as 26 years of age in 1839, and noted as the daughter of Rafael Gonzales and Josefa Perez
Prido (Josefa and Rafael both noted as deceased).
Also of interest was that both Blas and Merced could write well, and both signed this document.

Again,  Welcome to this site.

Lee
 

Hi Miguel,

I took a look and if I understand right the issue is you know Maria Merced Gonzalez and Blas Soto are your ancestors but you cannot determine with certainty who Maria Merced's parents are.

If that's the case, I see the tough spot. She died in 1860, prior to civil registration, and the death record does not list her parents.

I would try to locate her marriage record. Have you collected baptismal records for the couples children? 

Alex

have you seen this tree?  Lots of records with sources.  Also, Blas Soto uses the name Blas Sotomayor and Blas Soto Mayor.....   

  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G3H5-NPL

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KN6H-K1Q

If you follow that tree backward you find yourself here:

ferando eanes de ornelas nacido en ~1200.... looks like these folks were from Amares, Braga, Portugal..... that is if it is the correct individual but there is already a tree created.

IF that is correct then it just may have been created as a name for the place he was from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornelas_(Amares)

https://gw.geneanet.org/serch1992?lang=es&n=de+ornelas&p=fernando+eanes

Do you have this info?  I think these are the folks you are asking about.   If not you can find it here:  https://es.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=de+Ornelas+y+Perestre…Álvaro+&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10

 Alvaro de Ornelas Y Perestrello

• Nacido en 1561 - Canico, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal
• Fallecido en 1614 - Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México, a la edad de 53 años

 Padres

• Joao Álvaro d'Ornellas Y Vasconcellos 1540-
• Luzia Perestrello 1543-

 Casamiento(s) y/e  hijo(s)

• Casado el 29 de octubre de 1586, Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, con Isabel De Mendoza 1555- con
  • Manuel Ornelas Mendoza 1588-
  • Alonso de Ornelas y Mendoza 1590-
  • Maria de Ornelas de Mendoza 1595-1670
  • Rodrigo Ornelas de Mendoza 1597-1674
  • Alvaro Ornelas Mendoza 1598-
  • Leonor Ornelas Mendoza 1604-1679

 Hermanos

• Cezilia Ornellas
• Bonifácio Ornellas
• Joao Ornellas Moura †
• Alvaro de Ornelas Y Perestrello 1561-1614

Hola Roberto,

I already shared this information with you via texting, but I thought I’d also share it with the group.

The marriage and veiling records of Miguel Díaz Montanés and Josefa Díaz do not name their parents, though both ceremonies took place on Juan Montanés’ paraje de Los Ojuelos, and he was named as a witness of the veiling.

There are two dispensas that reveal that Josefa Díaz was the daughter of Isabel Marín de las Ruelas:

1. Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y Mayorga cc Juana Cayetana de Villalobos:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SD-QN?i=338&cc=18745…

They were at 4º con 3º grado consanguinidad, the relationship looking like this:

Tronco: Andrés Martín Barriga cc María de las Ruelas
Isabel Marín-1-Andrés Martín Camacho
Josefa Díaz-2-Andrés Martín
Ángela Díaz-3-Andrés Martín
Juana Cayetana Villalobos-4-

2. Nicolás Gómez García cc Catalina de Rubalcava: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X4NK-N?cc=1874591&wc=3…

They were at 3º con 4º grado consanguinidad. Unfortunately, it doesn’t explain the relationship, other than “the father of the groom was 1st-cousin of the grandmother of the bride,” but from other records, we know that the relationship looked like this:

Tronco: Andrés Martín Barriga cc María de las Ruelas
Agustina de las Ruelas-1-Isabel Marín de las Ruelas
Antonio Gómez García-2-Josefa Díaz
Nicolás Gómez García-3-Petra Díaz
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4-Catalina de Rubalcava

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Thank you Don and Manny! After many years of research it's not often I that find new ancestors. But with this information I have added ten ancestors spanning 4 generations going back to Martín de Rifarache and Sábina de Esquivel. So grateful for your research and generosity!

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

According to testimonies, Ana de Herrera was daughter of Juan de Alanis cc Francisca de Herrera (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-FBL), and granddaughter of Cap Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, though it doesn’t say who these two were the parents of - Juan de Alanis or Francisca de Herrera? I’ve never seen “Alanis” among the immediate descendants of Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, but I have seen “Herrera”: their son, Hernan Vasquez de Buendia was married to Ana (or Juana) de Herrera, who was daughter of Benito de Herrera and Doña Francisca de Rifarache (daughter of conquistador Martin Rifarache cc Sabina Esquivel, and whose second husband was Cristobal Ordoñez). From the timeline, this would make more sense. And then I notice that, on image 523, witness Francisco Flores de la Torre says “los bisabuelos maternos fueron vecinos de la siudad de guadalaxa y se llamaron hernan basques y doña ana de errera y el capitan dio basques de buendia y da jua belasques” - which looks like he’s naming both pairs of maternal great-grandparents, but I think he’s mistaken, and he’s naming the visabuelos AND tatarabuelos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6F99-H?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

I see that page was not "INDEXED" .... but anyway I added as a source to Miguel Espinoa individual page.

This match popped up...... it all seems to line up except Maria Ygnacia's Nomeli mother's name is Vega and not Fernandes?   Could that marriage record just be wrong and her mother's surname is really Vega???

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/merge/verify/984G-FX5/GQ1W-2ZQ

can you provide the link.... I found some info and this may be your family but I could not find that wedding record:    https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/984G-FX5