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where in Aguascalientes?

joseph

Nina Fantl wrote:

>Saludos,
> Busco informacion sobre mis antepasados de Aguascalientes, principalmente los miembros de la familia Jayme/Xaime.
> Ya he utilizado con buen exito la biblioteca de los Mormonas pero me falta mucha informacion.
> Tengo un poco de informacion sobre mi bisabuelo BUENAVENTURA JAYME (tambien se conoce come VENTURA XAIME), nacido en el siglo XVII, casado con Micaela Munoz. Me gusta enterarme de sus parientes y origen.
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> I am trying to find information about my ancestors from Aguascalientes, mainly the Jayme/Xaime family.
> I have already exhaustively searched the Family History data base on the Mormon database.
>
> My earliest ancestor that I have been able to find is Buenaventura Jayme (aka Ventura Xaime). His wife was Micaela Munoz. They were born in the 1700's.
>
> I am thinking that my Jayme ancestors came from Uxue, Navarro, Spain.
>
> I am also trying to find out information about the following places in Aguascalientes:
> Rancho San Guillermo
> Hacienda Nueva
> Rancho de las Trofas en El Llano
> San Antonio
> San Jose, El Calvillo
>
> Other surnames in my tree in Aguascalientes are:
> DELGADO, MACIAS, ESPARZA, LOPEZ, ESCOBAR, De LOERA
>
> My great grandfather was Emiliano Jayme born in Rancho San Guillermo on August 8, 1857.
>
> Thanks,
> Nina Jayme Fantl
>
>
>
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I would be more than happy to scan and upload the index for the Vazquez y
Frias publication. Maybe Arturo can help me place it on Ranchos. As I
stated before, I only have the index, and not the actual publication.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogía de Nochistlán-Book Location:
was-Diego Delgadillo (long)

> Now if there only was an index available:(
> I already have the one capitulo, but my family might be covered in others.
>
> The San Antonio Library kindly photocopied capitulo 58 for me. I'm sure
> they would do so again.
>
> Got my copy of Cartas de Indias on an inter library loan today.
>
> Many thanks for bringing this interesitng book to my attention.
>
> ---- Joseph Puentes wrote:
>>
>>
>> For those of you that don't have the book but are fortunate enough to be
>> close to one of these libraries:
>>
>>
>> Location Library Code
>> IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF
>> TX EL PASO PUB LIBR TXP
>> TX LAREDO PUB LIBR DB$
>> TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP
>> TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN IXA
>> TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT EL PASO TXU
>> CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
>> DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
>> TX DALLAS PUB LIBR IGA
>> TX UNIV OF N TEXAS INT
>>
>> Title: Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en
>> el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales /
>> Author(s): Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías, José Luis.
>> Publication: Ciudad Juárez, Mexico : Vázquez,
>> Edition: 1. ed.
>> Year: 2001
>> Description: xx, 475 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
>> Language: Spanish
>>
>> SUBJECT(S)
>> Named Person: Vázquez family.
>> Rodríguez family.
>> Note(s): Includes index./ Ejemplar no. 171 de 300.
>> Class Descriptors: LC: CS110; Dewey: 929.2
>> Responsibility: José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías.
>> Document Type: Book
>> Entry: 20020220
>> Update: 20021008
>> Accession No: OCLC: 49050417
>> Database: WorldCat
>>
>>
>>
>> papagaia2 wrote:
>>
>> >Re: Juana Delgadillo:
>> >
>> >I do not have the Vazquez y Frias publication, but I do have the
>> >"capitulo,"
>> >listing. There's a reference to Capitulo 57 Descendencia de Diego de
>> >Benavides y Juana Delgadillo. It may help to establish if this Juana
>> >Delgadillo was the daughter of Diego and Petronilla. Reference to
>> >individuals with the Delgadillo surname can be found in the following
>> >"capitulos."
>> >Capitulo: 6, 13, 16, 34, 50, 51, 54, 57, 84 and 86.
>> >Pat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Linda where did you buy it? Do they have other maps like the ones on
each side of the one you uploaded?

thanks,

joseph

longsjourney wrote:

>I just posted a picture of a map of the district of Jerez Zacatecas which I got in 2003. Some of the old names have been changed but the information seems good. I posted it in the map section. This map was actually on the back of a T-shirt but it was clear and large enough for my old eyes to read.
>
>Linda in B.C.

David you gave a wonderful answer here. . .helped me and gave me the
perspective that i knew was missing from the previous discussion. You
are absolutely right about being careful to lean toward being
judgemental in Spanish to English. We should carry that a step further
and say to use this advice when going from English to English as words
can easily be understood to have alternate interpretations. All the
above being thought of as communications in the 21st century. . .now
imagin the communication differences in the 20th century, the 19th
century, the 18th century, the 17th century, the 16th century! And how
about the differences in time ALONG with usuages from place to place
from circumstance to circumstance. I was listening to a podcast
yesterday about a science teacher talking about coaching a soccer team
that would do poorly when the catholic members of the team went to their
religious studies, but would bounce back during the second half of
certain games when they came back from their class and the cheer was
"Here Come the Catholics." In this Teachers family the phrase "Here Come
the Catholics" took on the personal meaning of when situations were
tough but help was on the way. But unless we know and study all the
circumstances and history we wouldn't know the meaning of this phrase
and how much less would we for our ancestors and the situations they
found themselves in.

Thanks David. . .we should be fast to study, fast to research, slow to
conclude.

joseph

ps: David you aplogized for rambling. Surely you jest. . .if I can
accuse you of anything it would be of not sharing enough of your great
points of view. Keep them coming hermano we need your input to balance
our points of view.

David P. Delgado wrote:

>I have learned over the years doing family research is that certain words are used differently in different centuries and locales. For example, people who lived in remote areas without a resident priest didn't wait for one to show in order to "marry". The church did not see any reason to blame people for uniting and having children before seeing a priest for the church ritual. Hence the term "hijo natural" came into use. Once the locale has a resident priest the use of "hijo natural" disappears. I have seen the priests use "hijo ilegitimo" or "hijo bastardo" to identify the child whose parents failed to observe the "rules". I believe it is presumptuous to call a child a bastard if the "hijo natural" label is the result of a priest not being nearby. Some communities went longer than a year without the services of a priest.
>
>The term "hijo legitimo" is usually reserved for those chidren whose parents were married in a church ceremony prior to the childs' birth. One of my ancestors is labeled as "hijo ilicito" and "hijo legitimo" in the same baptism record. The parents were married after the birth in an outlying area. One of my uncles was labeled illegitimate in 1912 New Mexico because his parents married civilly before marrying in a church ceremony.
>
>As for the term "expuesto" (exposed in English), I have seen it used to cover many situations. One ancestor "found" a child "expuesto" in his home. His only daughter got married two years later and the child was raised by her parents. Another ancestor (El Passo del Norte) found a child "expuesto" alongside an irrigation canal. Priests found children on their doorsteps and window sills. In 1870's Aguas Calientes, Ags. I found a record of a priest who answered a knock on his door late one night. A woman thrust a child in his arms and ran away. When he looked at the bundle in his arms he saw the baby covered in blood. The umbilical cord had been cut too short. The child died in his arms that night.
>
>Words are only sounds but they can hurt. It is best, I believe, to observe and record. Using judgemental language to "translate" from Spanish to English is not very helpful. I think we all have a lot to learn about the past.
>
>My apologies if I rambled.
>
>David in Albany, CA
>
>
>

I just created an EMPTY folder for you Alfonso for your genealogy and
for uploading of this will in the files-->members genealogies section of
the group. If you need any help uploading let me know. . .very very
large files can't be uploaded and maybe that is the problem, contact me
at makas@nc.rr.com and we'll try to get it available to the group.

here is the direct link to your empty folder:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14924

erniealderete@charter.net wrote:

>I still don't see your article in the file section. Que pasa?
>
>---- alfonsogonzalezg wrote:
>
>
>I've just tried to upload an article about Isabel de Moctezuma's Will. I guess it's very interesting, but it doesn't appear now in the Files Section. Did I do something wrong?
>
>In the article mentions that Juan de Altamirano took care of Leonor Cortez Moctezuma and some other interesting facts.
>
>Alfonso González
>
>
>

I have been surprised by the high percentage of unwed mothers. I thought there would be far fewer in such a Catholic country as Mexico, especially a hundred, or two hundred years ago.

I like the term hijo natural. Its not in the least bit insulting, like that awful word that starts with a B. It pains me to see that term, I think its disrespectful of the mother and the child.

I've also seen the term adoptado in many birth records. Some list both the bioligical parents and the adoptive parents who both parties agreed would be the actual care giving parents.

I'll give you any odds that we ALL have at least one hijo, or hija natural in our ancestry.
So don't cast any stones when you live in a glass house!

Thanks George. . .I appreciate your participation in the group. The
times you've given answers they always come out clear and to the point.
Thanks for adding to the discussion. [Now don't lets everyone else jump
to any conclusions. . .the other replies on this thread have been good
as well, just making a comment on what I've noticed from past
participation].

joseph

George Hoge wrote:

>Based on my knowledge of Mexican history and family history, I can fully
>understand the confusion caused by the terms ¨hijo legítimo¨ and ¨hijo
>natural¨. As of 1859, it was mandated by Mexican law that all marriages,
>births and deaths must be first registered with the civil authorities (Registro
>Civil).
>
>In the case of a marriage, this meant the civil registration ad to take place
>prior to the religous ceremony, commonly referred to as ¨las dos leyes¨.
>For various reasons, the religous ceremony was/may be postponed by
>days, weeks, monhs or years.
>
>Eventhough the civil ceremony had taken place, any children born prior
>to the religous ceremony were idntified as ¨hijos naturales¨ in church
>records. At such time as the religous ceremony took place, the
>margin of the baptismal entry was annoted ¨hijo legítimo¨.
>
>George
>.
>
>
>
>
>

Do those initials stand for Los Angeles Regional Family Hisotry Center?

I have not been there, but it seems like a major resource. I plan to visit it before my upcoming relocation to San Francisco.

If anyone needs any more cemetery look ups at Resurrection. Calvary or Evergreen, let me know as I am tieing up loose ends in Los Angeles now.

---- Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> Does anyone use this Family History Center?
>
> http://www.larfhc.org/Mexico.htm
>
>

no need to apologize. Others misunderstood so maybe it was a small
misunderstanding on your part and a small miscommunication on my part.
its forgotten.

joseph

ps: now about recruiting members researching Tepatitlan de Morelos try
contacting these folks off of Rootsweb:

Re: Deloa Family Members
Author: Carrie Martell Date: 22 Aug 2003
Board: Boards > Surnames > Deloa
Hi the origin of de loa last mame came from france and some of de loa
family is in jalisco mexico my father,father name was juan de loa and
mother concepcion navarro we were born in tepatitlan de morelos jalisco

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Re: CASILLAS/CASIAS FAMILY TREE
Author: E. Castillo Date: 04 Oct 2001
Board: Boards > Surnames > Casillas
...the Mormon Church research library has a huge microfilm collection of
records from Mexico including Tepatitlan de Morelos ( maternal
grandmother). It cost about $3.50 per film, takes about two weeks to
arrive and then t...

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Re: Casillas
Author: barbara lozano Date: 24 Aug 2005
Board: Boards > Surnames > Casillas
...Does this name sound familiar to you? According to my father's birth
certificate, they were also from Tepatitlan de Morelos. They had a
daughter, my Grandmother, Francisca Gomez, born in 1883, I do not know
of any broth...

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Re: Casillas
Author: Date: 27 Nov 2001
Board: Boards > Surnames > Casillas
...Grandmother was Emelia Casillas born approximately 1863? Married
Damiano Gomez, my Grandfather, from Tepatitlan de Morales. Both died in
Mexico. My grandmother Francisca, their daughter married Eugenio de Marti...
Re: Looking for family in Tepatitlan, Jaslico and Dolores Hidalgo,
Guanajuato, Mexico

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Author: Roberta Romero Date: 02 May 2003
Board: Boards > Localities > North America > Mexico > Jalisco
Arnoldo - My great grandfather, Epifanio Martin, left Tepatitlan in the
early 1900s and migrated to Albuquerque, NM. Epifanio Martin married
Severa Gomez in 1892 at Rancho Presa de Gomez. Epifanio's parents wer...

Joseph,

Did I miss something? What is the Google Book Project?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] University of California

was reading a brief that said the UC System was joining the Google book
project.

I hope this is true and that they start with the books

on Mexico

let's hope.

joseph

ps: if anyone has more info please pass it on to the "general" list.

I've decided it's a good idea to record baptism's of children who were expuesto or parents unknown and who baptized them since some of these children were kept and raised as their own. It sometimes explains why I can't find a baptism record in there name since they were not birth children. I guess only dna testing would tell that story!

Linda in B.C.

I think you are totally misunderstanding what I was suggesting. There is
a difference between "Login In" and the discussion that takes place on
the email distribution lists. I am in no means proposing that if you
don't say something "ONCE A YEAR" on the email discussion list you will
be eliminated from the group. No not the point. I am trying to find an
easy way for me to remove members from the group that are not truely
members. The Log In means you take your "USER NAME" and "PASSWORD" and
use them (log in) on the http://nuestrosranchos.org site.

When you do that it leaves a "signature" of sorts in that I can easily
see that you or anyone has logged into the site. So if a person hasn't
logged in after a year then I'll send them an email asking if they want
to remain members. If they say yes then fine they can remain members as
long as they have met the initial requirements: 1) do your own research
and 2) send in a representative tree showing their connection to our
area of research. BUT if the person never replies or replies with a "Not
Interested" then I'll go ahead and delete their membership.

So unless you want to get a message from me on 01 May 2007 just log in
once. . .you don't have to spend hours researching or anything just log
in. logging in takes about 1 minute and you are finished. In fact If you
log in immediately you will not have to worry about this until 01 May
2008 when the next time after this first time that I will be sending out
emails to people who haven't logged in for over a year.

What do you think is what I said still unclear?

joseph

ps: if you want more discussion about your particular area of research
why not do like I did when I originally started the Yahoo Ranchos. I
knew When I first started I didn't know anything so I decided to
surround myself with other researchers that were researching my area of
research thus originally the yahoo group was for Jalisco and Zacatecas
and then the members decided to add Aguascalientes. So if you go to
Ancestry or Roots web and do a message search for your particular areas
in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes then find those that are
"Serious" Inquiries. Email those individuals and ask them to consider
membership in the http://nuestrosranchos.org group, But give them a
warning that it is only for those that are serious about their research
and tell them about the requirements of the group. Linda, get active in
finding others you can network with. . .believe me it has been a
blessing for me and my research and I just know that it will be for yours.

Linda R Romero wrote:

>What would eliminating everyone who doesn't log in once a year
>accomplish? Instead of a group researching and sharing information
>about ancestors in the Jalisco area of Mexico, would this then morph
>into a small group whose members live in California and can meet at
>restaurants for a monthly luncheon and exchange of information on
>their relationship to Moctezuma? Some of us lurkers keep tabs on the
>information online until something that pertains to our research
>comes up and we can participate.
>
>By all means continue your luncheon meetings. They sound like fun.
>But don't kick the rest of us off because our line of research hasn't
>come up for a while. We keep reading, enjoying others information
>and breakthroughs, and hoping a little smidgeon of information on our
>lines will come across to allow us to participate in the
>discussions. When they do, you'll hear from us.
>
>Until then, I'll monitor the discussions unless I'm kicked off for
>not belonging to the current line being researched and discussed.
>
>Linda
>
>Babelfish:
>
>¿Qué eliminando a cada uno que no lo hace conexión una vez al año
>lograría? ¿En vez de un grupo que investigaba y que compartía la
>información sobre antepasados en el área de Jalisco de México, este
>entonces morph en un grupo pequeño que miembros viven en California y
>puede satisfacer en los restaurantes para un alumerzo y un
>intercambio de la información mensuales sobre su relación a
>Moctezuma? Algunos de nosotros los lurker mantienen lengüetas en la
>información en línea hasta algo que pertenece a nuestra investigación
>viene para arriba y podemos participar. Sin falta continúe sus
>reuniones del alumerzo. Suenan como la diversión. Pero no golpee el
>resto con el pie de nosotros apagado porque nuestra línea de la
>investigación no ha venido para arriba por un rato. Guardamos el
>leer, gozando de otros información y las brechas, y esperar un poco
>smidgeon de la información sobre nuestras líneas vendrá a través
>permitir que participemos en las discusiones. Cuando lo hacen, usted
>oirá de nosotros. Hasta entonces, supervisaré las discusiones a menos
>que apagado me golpeen con el pie para no pertenecer a la línea
>actual que es investigada y discutida. Linda

Joseph,

Sounds reasonable

Sally

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

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Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José

Yes, Joseph,

I think it is a good idea for people to check the files, gedcoms, etc on the website; why not take advantage of all the information to be found there? Maybe you could also from time to time remind people of what is on the website besides the e-mails. Could you post an index or something like that once in a while? Another group I belong to sends out a "we haven't heard from you in a while" type message.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Open For Discussion

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

=======================

Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José

With most of the groups (not necessarily genealogical) that I participate in, you MUST log-in to the website in order to access mail, postings, chat, etc. So, frankly, I was surprized to see this site the way it is.
Michael

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

=======================

Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José

I don't see a problem with doing what you are suggesting. Unfortunately I don't have the time I'd like to have to participate more in the matters/discussions of our group, but I do go into the web site often to view subjects, files, etc.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Hts, CA

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

=======================

Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José

Brilliant idea as usual, my dear Holmes. :) Marge:)
On Aug 9, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.
>
> I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
> a year or your membership will expire.
>
> I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
> that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
> out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
> hold the membership up to some artificial number.
>
> what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
> into the group once a year?
>
> thanks for your feed back.
>
> joseph
>
> =======================
>
> Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy
> pensando
> hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
> http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
> visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
> sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
> verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
> de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
> ¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
> vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.
>
> José
>
>

I think the once-a-year minimum login is a very reasonable idea.
Jose Aguayo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Open For Discussion

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

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Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José