Presentación personal / Personal Introduction

Presentación personal / Personal Introduction

Saludos a todos / Greetings everyone,

I am new to the group, although not so new to doing Los Altos genealogical research. My name is Kassandra Brenot; I am the great-grand-daughter of a Los Altos couple who came to the U.S. during the cristero war.
About 25 years ago I began researching my family roots in Los Altos, thanks to my Marquez cousins and the Somos Primos group in the greater Los Angeles area (including Mimi Lozano and Mary Lou Montagna and the stellar work they all got me going on, for which I shall be forever indebted). While my professional and family duties have pulled me away from my passion for genealogy over the course of the past twenty years or so, through some recent unexpected encounters through my work I have reconnected with my Los Altos roots...

I am the head of an all girls, Catholic boarding school in Monterey, California and have discovered that a few of the families at my school are Los Altos families! Knowing the prevalence of endogamia amongst los alteños, I figured we must be related so.... during my summer vacation, I dug back into my old files and jumped online and have been helping these families get started on researching their lines.

Lo and behold, we are related and we are now looking to start a small Los Altos research group here on the Monterey Peninsula. We had our first mini-get together last night with a small group that represented Ramirez, Loza, Campos and Gutierrez. Some of the members of these families immigrated only within the past 20 years, while others immigrated in the 1950s, settling in the Salinas Valley. As for my own family, it was my great-grandparents María Gonzalez Muñoz and José Lorenzo Loza Muñoz who emigrated from San Miguel el Alto to Carpinteria, California in 1926. Some of the names I am researching farther back in my lines (in the areas of Jalostotitlán, San Juan, Aguascalientes and Ayo el Chico) are the following:

Baeza
Becerra
Camacho-Riquelme
Fernández de Rueda
García de Miranda
González de Rubalcava
Hernández de Arellano
Hurtado de Mendoza
Lomellini
López de Fueresclava
Muños de Nava y Estrada
Loza y Linares
Lozano Vásquez
Machuca
Ornelas
Vásquez Cermeño

Through this group, I hope to fill in a few holes I have in my chart, as well as to help guide some of these families as they begin discovering the joy of researching their Los Altos family history. What I also hope to learn more about through this group is the rich history and traditions of the Los Altos region: I was only about 8 when my great-grandmother died so what little I know about Los Altos is what I have read about, found online, or heard about through cousins, grandparents and family friends.

(Hablo español)

Saludos a todos,
Kassandra

continuance of miguel martin and families

i have a miguel martin married to efigenia de lira several children were born to them such as bernardino, lucas, bernabe rosa and or lugarda martin. all children were baptized around cinega de mata, mexico searching for parents of miguel martin and i think his birthdate is around 1700 roughly as marriage for him stated it was in 1790 in cinega de mata, mexico. i found a record for the time period and would like to know if this is him ?https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~

Hacienda de la Punta

Hello,
I am looking for any information about this hacienda. It seems it was a large on in Aguascalientes,Jalisco. The people had to travel to Cienega de Mata to register births, marriages, and deaths. I would like to learn more about this hacienda and it's people/workers. Does anyone know where I can look for this information? I would really appreciate it.

Estoy buscando informacion sobre la Hacienda de la Punta. Si alguien me puede ayudar en donde puede ver la vida y las personas que Vivian alli. Te lo agradezco.

Virginia

looking for records pertaining to francisco de lira and or related families

my search so far has taken me to the 9th great grandparents of me known as francisco de lira and or barbara perez. their daughter was efigenia de lira who had been born roughly 1702 and was baptized: Cinega De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. she had married my bernandino martin and had known children names such as lucas, bernabe or lugarda martin. still having hard time trying to find out anything about bernandino martins parents who was a miguel martin. a marriage record was found concerning miguel martins marriage as 1719 in cinega mexico. dna matches me to perez sanchez and many other names associated to me. where can i go to find older records as im stuck in some areas ? thanks and god bless stephanie

FW: Mexican Research Webinar

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

FW: Mexican Research Webinar

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

FW: Mexican Research Webinar

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Luisa de Villegas

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i have a question about Luisa de Villegas that is married to Pedro macias
valadez. i'm trying to find out who her parents are and ive seen on
Nuestros Ranchos that there are posts that say she's the daughter of
Francisco Solano de Villegas Calderon and Francisca jimenez Altamirano. Ive
also seen trees that say that but i never seen a record that shows that and
im just trying to see if there is some record that says that.

Danny C. Alonso

New member-Gallardo-Rico

Hello,
I am new to this site. Doing research on my great grandmother and her family from Aguascalientes area. My grandfather was born at a place called Hacienda de la Punta to an Apolonio Gallardo and Magdalena Victorino Rico. Does anyone know if this place still exists? I would love to visit if it does. His birth was registered at Cienega de Mata.
Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Virginia

MARÍA MANUELA CORTÉZ MOCTEZUMA Y MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

MARÍA MANUELA CORTÉZ MOCTEZUMA Y MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

Announce Digest, Vol 115, Issue 3

Tengo esta información sobre Petronila:

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Source: http://gw.geneanet.org/mfdelaf?lang=en&p=francisca+ana&n=gabay

http://gw.geneanet.org/jeandelage1?lang=en&p=petronila&n=arias+de+valde…

From the book Moctezuma's Descendants in in Aguascalientes:

"In addition to locating the baptism of Ana in 1553, we discovered a 1594 marriage document from the Archdiocese of Mexico City which provides the following information: "X'poval [Christobal] Sotelo Valderrama natural de esta ciudad hijo legitimo de Diego Arias Sotelo y Don Leonor ---- [unreadable] - difuntos [deceased]." Christoval was the brother of Petronila Sotelo alias Petronila Moctezuma, who represents the next generation of this family."

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Parece que mis hijos tambien son decendientes. Sus ancestros son, en su mayoría, del estado de Aguascalientes. Tenemos el BigY de dos de mis nietos, y FamilyFinder para ellos, una sobrina nieta mia, y mi nieta (hija de mi hija), todos de la misma familia. Disafortunadamente, las líneas maternales de ellas no son de México. Sería interesante comparar…

GedMatch:

T894954

T228105

T755319

T615792

GENERATION 4: PETRONILLA MOCTEZUMA (born 1552)

PETRONILA SOTELO MOCTEZUMA was probably born around 1552 in Mexico City. It is believed that in 1571 she was married to MARTIN GABAI DE NAVARRO, also known as MARTIN NABARRO. A marriage of Petronila and Martin has not been located yet, however, they were referenced several times as an ancestral married couple "Martin Nabarro" and "Petronila Montesuma" in a 1703 Diocese of Guadalajara informacion matrimonio document for a marriage that took place in Nochistlán. The known children of Petronila Sotelo (alias Moctezuma) and of Martin Gabai de Navarro are shown below:

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] petronila de moctezuma

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Buenas noches a todos los miembros de este foro un cordial saludos todos los interesados sobre la dinastía Moctezuma yo desciendo de lope ll ruiz de esparza y ana franca gabay por 6 hijos de esta pareja , ana francisca gabay hija de martin gabay el navarro y Petronila Moctezuma. alguien sabe sobre algún documento donde se demuestre que Petronila Moctezuma es bisnieta del emperador Moctezuma? esperemos resolver este misterio sobre la ascendencia de Petronila de Moctezuma agradezco la atención prestada muchas gracias

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Announce Digest, Vol 115, Issue 1

Hay manera de comparar DNA? Se supone que mis 3 nietos y una sobrina nieta son descendientes de Moctezuma por medio de mi marido, pero hace muchas generaciones, desde luego...

FTDNA

703926 21277 609379 521437

GedMatch

T894954 T228105 T755319 T615792

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Una gran parte en este grupo descendemos de Moctezuma. Daniel

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Intro-Torres, Ramos, Cisneros, Velasquez Mazamitla, Jalisco-Valencia, Cotija,Michoacan

Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.

1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.

2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:

3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.

4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco

Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT

6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591

This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.

For the Valencia side from Cotija

I have Vicente Valencia born around 1800 married to Dolores Zepeda born around the same time.They had a son named Geronimo Valencia born abt.1825 in Cotija;died 1893 in Aguililla, Michoacan. married Francisca Mendoza around1854 in Cotija.

I matched with someone on Ancestry dna as 4th-6th cousins having a Tiburcio Valencia and Margarita Zepeda born around the same time as Vicente Valencia im thinking they could be brothers.

If anyone shares any of those surnames and places let me know I would really appreciate the information.

Help on information on Capitan Protector Juan Sebastian Orendayn (Orendain) 1727

I had found a personality of our pueblo of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://oi64.tinypic.com/jg6zyu.jpg

Original source is on top left:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FS3M-H7?i=9&wc=3JHM-HZ9%3A…

A defunto record of Capitan Juan Sebastian Orenday (Orendain) year 1727. It seems like he was the Capitan Protector of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto.

I have tried to look for information on him in the PARS archives and can't find any.

Do any of you out there have any information on him that you can share with me because I want to keep a track of personalities of history of our pueblo and region. Thank you.

Intro-Torres, Ramos, Cisneros, Velasquez Mazamitla, Jalisco

Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.

1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.

2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:

3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.

4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco

Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT

6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez

Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591

This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.

For the Valencia side from Cotija

I have Vicente Valencia born around 1800 married to Dolores Zepeda born around the same time.They had a son named Geronimo Valencia born abt.1825 in Cotija;died 1893 in Aguililla, Michoacan. married Francisca Mendoza around1854 in Cotija.

I matched with someone on Ancestry dna as 4th-6th cousins having a Tiburcio Valencia and Margarita Zepeda born around the same time as Vicente Valencia im thinking they could be brothers.

If anyone shares any of those surnames and places let me know I would really appreciate the information.

Domingo Perez and Juana de Alva lived in Arroyo Seco, Los Ojuelos, Aguasclientes

Domingo Perez and Juana de Alva got Married in Aguascalientes on July 24,1707 some of my researchthey had a Daughter born 1720 in Teocaltiche also a son Calletano Perez born about 1735. Calletano Perez Married Maria Ynes Garcia Romo born abt 1725. then on july 10 1754 Married Maria magdalena Chavez her and Calletano had a son Andres Perez born 1770 Arroyo Seco and died 1, January 1830 in Arroyo Seco. Andres Peres was Married to Maria Luisa Villalpand.my question is anyone related to them or have info on them thanks.