Testamentos, Escrituras, etc. can be viewed online

In the familysearch.org website now you can view such things as testamentos, escrituras online. You click on the link such as testamentos, the scroll down to see the list and dates. On the far hand right there will be a camera symbol that you click on and you are taken right to the documents:

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bautho…

Donde Encontrar información sobre Parroquias

Resulta que estoy buscando a mis ancestros Contreras, llegue a un punto donde ya no encuentro información, me acabo de dar cuenta que ya no hay registros en FamilySearch de Calvillo antes de 1770 , encontré porque antes de esa fecha la parroquia a la que pertenecian era la de Tabasco Zacatecas, pero ahora tanto Calvillo como tabasco tienen otro nombre, Calvillo era Valle de Huejucar y Tabasco era Valle del REfugio la Mecatabasco.

y se sigue complicando también hay registros en TEocaltiche de las misma Familia, por lo mismo de Tabasco solo hay de 1750 en adelante apreoximadamente.

La pregunta es como buscar , con que nombre y en que estado , ya que Teocaltiche es JAlisco , Tabasco es Zacateca y Calvillo es Aguascalientes.
t turns out that I am looking for my ancestors Contreras, I reach a point where I no longer find information, I just realized that there are no records in Calvillo's FamilySearch before 1770, I found because before that date the parish to which they belonged The one of Tabasco Zacatecas, but now both Calvillo and tabasco have another name, Calvillo was Valley of Huejucar and Tabasco was Valley of REfugio the Mecatabasco.

And continues to complicate also there are records in TEocaltiche of the same Family, so from Tabasco there are only from 1750 onwards approximately.

The question is how to search, with what name and in what state, since Teocaltiche is JAlisco, Tabasco is Zacateca and Calvillo is Aguascalientes.

Saucedo's from Teocaltiche and Calvillo

Daniel

My cousin and research partner, Dave has Saucedo's from Teocaltiche:

Juan Zacarias Saucedo was baptized in Teocaltiche on the 16th of June 1721. … Juan, the legitimate son of Xptoval Sausedo and of Feliciana de Udabe. The godparents were Isidro de Udabe and Maria de La Serda and all are mestissos… The godparents Isidro de Udave and Maria de La Serda are Juan Zacarias’s maternal grandparents.

Some of the Saucedo's moved to Calvillo.

Rose

El Salto de Los Trexos and the surname "Si"

I have ancestors with the last name "Si" also attached to the last name of Trexo (Trejo} from El Salto de Los Trexos, Tlaltenango Sanchez Roman.

Two questions:

1) Is the last name "Si" Chinese? This surname first appears attached to Jose Tomas Trejo Si, born in 1807, whose parents were Jose Antonio Crecencio Trejo Robles and Juana Maria Si.

2) Was there a large ranch whose name was El Salto de Los Trexos within the Tlaltenango?

Descent of Edward III to my wife's maternal grandmother, Margarita Rocha Gutierrez and to Queen Elizabeth II

The descent from Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex to King Edward III to Margarita Gutierrez Rocha

1. Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex
2. Creoda
3. Cynric, King of Wessex
4. Ceawlin, King of Wessex
5. Cuthwine
6. Cuthwulf
7. Ceolwald of Wessex
8. Coenred of Wessex
9. Ingild of Wessex
10. Eoppa
11. Eafa
12. Ealhmund of Kent
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13. Egbert King of Wessex
14. Aethelwulf, King of Wessex
15. Alfred the Great, King of Wessex
16. Edward the Elder, King of England
17. Edmund I, King of England
18. Edgar, King of England
19. Ethelred II (Ethelred the Unready) King of England
20. Edmund II (Edmund Ironside), King of England
21. Edward the Exile, heir to the throne of England, died two days after arriving at England, leaving the throne bare.
22. Saint Margaret of Scotland, Queen of Scotland
23. Edith of Scotland, Queen of England
24. Empress Matilda (Maud)
25. Henry II, King of England
26. John "Lackland" King of England + Eleanore, Countess of Provence, Queen E.
27. Edward I, King of England +Leonor, Princess of Castile, Queen of England
28. Edward II, King of England + Isabella, Princess of France, Queen of England
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29. Edward III, King of England (aka Edward of Windsor) b.13/Nov/1312, Windsor Castle.
+ Elizabeth of Suffolk
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30. Elizabeth (Isabel) (illegitimate daughter of King Edward III)
+ Sancho Martinez de Leiva (Iron Arm/el Braso de de Hierro) Sancho was highly appreciated by King Edward III for his service in combat. He was a favorite of both the King of England and the King of Castile.
Sancho descends from King John Lackland's sister, Queen Eleonor of Castlie.
Elizabeth and Sancho are fourth cousins. Edward I's wife was a first cousin to Sancho's great grandfather which is the closest relationship. Edward III was a third cousin to Sancho's mother, as she also descended from English and Castilian royalty.
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31. Juana Garcia de Leiva
+ Diego Lopez de Zuniga, Sr. De Frias y de Bejar, Justicia Mayor del Rey,

32. Pedro de Zuniga, Conde de Ledesma y Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey,
+ Isabel Guzman

33. Diego Lopez de Zuniga
+ Aldonza de Avellaneda

34. Isabel de Zuniga y Avellaneda
+ Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza

35. Juan Hurtado de Mendoza, 5th Sr. De Moron

36. Rudy Diaz de Mendoza
+ Catalina Arellano del Rio

37. Maria Mendoza
+ Luis Marin (b1491)

38. Mariana Mendoza m.1550
+ Cap.Juan Zaldivar (born 1520-1525)

39. Maria Zaldivar Mendoza m.abt.1554
+ Balthazar Temino de Banuelos

41. Anna Maria Banuelos m. Aft.1543
+ Francisco Figueroa de Carbajal b.abt1520

42. Francisca Figueroa Temino de Banuelos b.1548
+ Rodrigo de Carbajal, I (b.1535)

43. Rodrigo de Carbajal II
+ Melchora de los Reyes Rodriguez

44. Rodrigo de Carbajal b.abt 1603, m. 12/Sep/1628
+ Juana Lomelin y Benavides abt 1610 daughter of Italian Carlo Lomelini

45. Leonor Carbajal Bracamonte b.abt.1631, m.abt 1660
+ Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (b.1635, d.24/June/1699)

46. Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Carbajal
+ Esteban Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

47. Micaela Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza (c.29/May/1698) m.10/Feb/1716
+ Jose Munoz de Nava ((b.abt1698)

48. Jose Antonio Munoz de Nava
+ Gertrudis Garcia de H. y Franco (Aka Gertrudis Ramirez y Franco)

49. Juan Manuel Munoz de Nava
+ Apolonia Marquez

50. Maria de la Trinidad Munoz de Nava m. 20/Aug/1821
+ Jose Francisco de la Trinidad Martin del Campo

51. Jose Luis Deonicio Martin del Campo c.17/Oct/1822, m.29/May/1844
+ Maria Vicenta Florencia Pedrosa

52. Maria Campos y Pedrosa, m. 9/Feb/1859
+ Felipe de Jesus Gutierrez y Munoz

53. Maximiana Gutierrez y Campos b.1876, d. 13/Nov/1934
+ Ciriaco Rocha (b.1871)

54. Margarita Rocha Gutierrez, b.1910,
+ Pablo Lomelin, b.5//Jan/1905

Source book mygenes2000 by R.A.Ricci

ya me atore Contreras

Ya me para en la búsqueda de mis ancestros, llegue hasta Juan Jose Contreras que su esposa fue Maria Antonia Gonzalez, sus primeros hijos son Juan de Dios Contreras Gonzalez y Luciana Maria Contreras Gonzales sus registros de bautizo son de Teocaltiche Jalisco, de alli los siguientes aparecen en Colomos Calvillo, pero no encuentro registro ni el calvillo, ni en Teocaltiche de Juan Joseph Contreras, solo he buscado de FamilySearch.

Agradecería mucho que me comentaran como puedo seguir con la busqueda.

De La Paz y Cortez

I have the marriage records of another pair of brothers married to another pair of sisters. The sisters are Catharina De la Paz y Cortez and Francisca De la Paz y Cortez. The brothers are Manuel Antonio Perez Franco de Paredes and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco de Paredes.

Manuel Antonio Perez Franco married Catharina de La Paz y Cortez, and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco married Francisca De La Paz y Cortez.

Both couples married on the same day, on the fifth of June in 1737. The brides are the daughters of Antonio De La Paz y Cortez and Antonia Frias de Ybarra.

The brother's father's surname is Perez Franco but I am unsure of the first name. Their mother is Gertrudis de Hermosillo.

Here is the link to the marriage records: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYQT?mode=g&i=380&wc=3J4P-…

I believe that Antonio de La Paz y Cortez descends from the Geronima Benavides/Cortez and Paez (Paz) lines.

The brothers and the sisters are related through "tercer con quarto grado " so there should be a dispensation for both marriages.

Thank You,
Rick A. Ricci

Alonso Perez Torillo's parents?

Happy Morther's Day!

Many people have the parents of Alonso Perez Toriello as Andres Perez and Maria Torillo. Many years ago, Jaime Holcombe gave different information in his submissions. He gave two siblings to Alonso, along with the different sets of parents. I was confused by Jaime Holcombe's submission, as he was the only one in the family with the Peres Toriello surname. After much research I discovered that the father that Jaime Holcombe said was Alonso's father had Portuguese ancestors with the surname Perestoriello, which had many explorers and sailors in the family. A few generations before Portugal, they resided in Italy, and the surname was Pallestrelli. Jaime Holcombe had not known about the father's ancestor's Perestrello connection. Was it just a coincidence, or was Jaime Holcombe correct in this case?

Until I see the evidence, I will not have parents listed for Alonso Perez Toriello, and have notes showing that there are two lines of thought as to his parents.

At this time, I seem to be the only genealogist that still has Jaime Holcombe's claim as Alonso's possible parents. There must be some evidence that Alonso's parents are Andres Perez and Maria Torillo other than that the two surnames conveniently combine to make Alonso's surname. I hope someone would just show me the evidence for these claims so that the identification is finally settled.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Bernal Marmolejo alias Bernal de Encalada

Are these two Juan de Dios the same person?

Juan De Dios Bernal Marmolexo (there is a sanchez as well before bernal)

Vs.
Juan de Dios de Encalada

• Both are married to women name Ydelfonsa Delgado
• Ydelfonsa and Juan de dios bernal Marmolejo have a son named Juan Bernardo Bernal Delgado 15 SEP 1699

• Juan de Dios de Encalada and Aldonza have a son named Juan Bernardo Bernal Delgado abt 1705 cc 10 Feb1723 Micaela de Salas Zapata

• They both have a daughter named Teresa 1700 One is bernal Marmolejo and the other Maria Thereza de Encalada

Thanks for the help!

Husebio Delgado y Pascuala Gallegos de Cabrera

Juan Delgado son of Eusebio Delgado and Pascuala cc Teodora de Ollavides (dif spellings)
He is from Pinos and she is from Asientos, Aguascalientes.

They have an IM in Pinos

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B39Q-5P

and I just found one in Asientos. In the declaration of Juan Delgado it states hL de Joseph Asebio del Gado y de Pascuala de ??? can anyone decipher surname?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PHQ-R8W

thanks for the help!

"RESERVED” church ledger or register?

We’ve run into a challenge I’ve never encountered before. Does anyone have experience finding records from a “RESERVED” church ledger?

I’m helping a cousin research a possible mutual relative, Maria Guadalupe Romo, born 12 Dec 1893, daughter of Margarita Pedroza and an unknown assailant.

We have a civil registration in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco dated 13 Dec 1893, for a Maria Guadalupe, no surname or parents listed. Her mother was from this area. The other hint that we’ve found the right record is that a corresponding baptismal record 14 Dec 1893 mentions that the names of the parents and grandparents are listed in the "reserved book." I suppose a child born of a criminal act might qualify for this kind of confidential treatment.

Can someone advise how we might to get information from the reserved book? Does anyone have historical contacts in Encarnación de Díaz that might assist?

This research is for an elderly aunt who is getting up in her years. We would really like to help her shed more light on her family history, including this ancestor, her grandmother.

Replies here or to myclue4u@mac.com are greatly appreciated.

Mariano OLIVARES & Mariaia Catarina de Avalos

I need help. I am looking for the marriage dispensation of Mariano Olivares and Maria Catarina de Avalos.

While searching on the internet I found:

[ http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/09/
0404 mariano olivares & catariba avalos / san juan ... 0708 mariano jimenez de sandi & juana maria ... 1085 #698 juan jose hernandez & maria catarina ...]

I can't find "0404 Mariano Olivares & Catariba Avalos." They were most likely married in the 1780's as their daughter Maria Gertrudis Olibares Avalos was baptized 27 Nov 1787 according to the following record:

Name Maria Gertrudis Olibares Abalos
Gender Female
Christening Date 27 Nov 1787
Christening Place SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Mariano Olibares
Mother's Name Maria Catarina De Abalos
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVRZ-7FF : 2 January 2015), Maria Catarina De Abalos in entry for Maria Gertrudis Olibares Abalos, 27 Nov 1787; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220,648

I am also looking for the marriage dispensation of Jose Flores and Maria Guadalupe Flores, (also from San Juan de Los Lagos).

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Interpreting DOB from Baptism Record: "de xxxxxx dias de nacido"

Is there a more likely interpretation of the date of birth when a baptism record describes an infant's as as "de xxxxx dias de nacido"? xxxxx is a number, siete, quatro, un, etc. I'd like to calculate DOB, but might be wrong by a day if my assumption is wrong. So, generally, was a child "de un dia de nacido" born today or yesterday?

Gracias,

Eduardo
San Jose, CA

Research Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2 FamilySearch instructions

I hope I'm doing this right...

I belong to a FB page called Azores Genealogy. This was posted today. I haven't tried it. But I imagine it's the same for Mexico. I belong to Ancestry.com, and that gives me access to most church documents (Baptisms, Marriages, Obits), but sometimes it's not enough. I will be trying this, substituting the country and town and church I need in Mexico:

For those of you who may not be familiar with navigating familysearch.org, here are some basic directions to getting you to the Madeira & Porto Santo films. Most, if any, of these films are not indexed on familysearch.org (but you can use ABM for that) so you must search through the films manually.

1. On the Main Page: Sign in or create a free account.
2. On the top Menu go to SEARCH.
3. Then go to CATALOG.
4. In the PLACE search field type MADEIRA or PORTO SANTO (or other country location).
5. Select “Portugal, Madeira (ilha)” or “Portugal, Porto Santo (ilha)” from the dropdown and click SEARCH.
6. Select “Portugal, Madeira (ilha) - Church records (50)” or “Portugal, Porto Santo (ilha) - Church records (1)” from the results.
7. You will see the list of PARISHES available on microfilm. [HINT- Create a shortcut on your browser to this page so that you don’t have to keep going through these steps every time.]
8. Select the PARISH you want.
9. Scroll down the page and see the results of microfilms- If it has camera icon over to the right, it is viewable online-DOUBLE CLICK ON THE CAMERA ICON.
10. All the microfilm frames will then populate- Double click on them to enlarge.

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1. Domingo Garcia & Bonfacia Rocha ? (Ronald Reynoso)

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:36:35 +0000
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Domingo Garcia & Bonfacia Rocha ?
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Hola Members, I have a Domingo Garcia married to Bonifacia Rocha - Parents origin ?

According to 2 children of these two individuals their(Maria Leonor Garcia) acta de Bautismos 1801-1809 de San Juan de Los Lagos Image # 107 states that the Parents of Domingo Garcia were Paternal Grandparents- Nicolas Garcia and Eufracia Sabala- Maternal Grandparents- Jose Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana .(date of Bautismo -22 of april 1802 San Juan de Los Lagos)

The second acta de bautismo (Jose Julian Garcia) de San Diego de Alejandria (16 Jan. 1805) Bautismos-1803-1810,1815-1823 -Image # 119 states the same as above (Nicolas Garcia and Eufracia Sabala and Jose Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana.

Just wondering has any body run into these names -Nicolas Garcia ,and Eufracia Sabala

JOse Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana . I am kinda of stuck.

Thank you for your time

Ronnie

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Domingo Garcia & Bonfacia Rocha ?

Hola Members, I have a Domingo Garcia married to Bonifacia Rocha - Parents origin ?

According to 2 children of these two individuals their(Maria Leonor Garcia) acta de Bautismos 1801-1809 de San Juan de Los Lagos Image # 107 states that the Parents of Domingo Garcia were Paternal Grandparents- Nicolas Garcia and Eufracia Sabala- Maternal Grandparents- Jose Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana .(date of Bautismo -22 of april 1802 San Juan de Los Lagos)

The second acta de bautismo (Jose Julian Garcia) de San Diego de Alejandria (16 Jan. 1805) Bautismos-1803-1810,1815-1823 -Image # 119 states the same as above (Nicolas Garcia and Eufracia Sabala and Jose Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana.

Just wondering has any body run into these names -Nicolas Garcia ,and Eufracia Sabala

JOse Maria Rocha and Antonia Magana . I am kinda of stuck.

Thank you for your time

Ronnie

anastacio sanchez and related families

anastacio sanchez who is my 3rd great grandfather born about 1850 and married my maria luz jaramillo. all children have been accounted for so far in baptismals records on family search. im currently looking for a marriage record or something of the sort that lists his parents or anything of the relevance. i do know that maria jaramillos parents were a eugenio jaramillo and or nicolasa hernandez.

Italians in Mexico (Lomelini) research Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16

Hello Alicia & Rose,
I like Maria and most likely others that have alteno ancestry
descend from Carlos Lomelini too, so please count me in too. The
prologue mentioned by Alicia lists several of our ancestors: Manuel
Gomez, Francisco Gtz. Rubio. If there is even more in the Duran book on
the Lomelin family, Alicia, would you mind sharing with us? This books
sounds so interesting...
Thanks, Irma Gomez Gtz aka Irma Gomez-Lucero

os Ranchos] Italians in Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Hi Rose,
>
> I too descend from Carlos Lomellini through two of Juana Lomelin's
> daughters. I also descend from Magdalena de Lavezares and have the
> same interest you do in learning about Italians in Mexico. I have
> found references to these lines in Mariano Gonzalez-Leal's book
> "Reto?os de Espa?a en la Nueva Galicia" Tomo II. There are also
> chapters In Jose Luis Vazquez's book on Genealogia de Nochistlan that
> trace the Lomellini's and the Lavezares descendancy.
>
> I would be happy to exchange data with you. Please e-mail me
directly.
>
> Maria Cortez
>
>
> Message: 14
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Alicia Carrillo
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Italians in Mexico
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Message-ID: <20060715170039.42643.qmail@web81614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Rose,
>>
>> Here is a quote from the prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal in the
>> book, Los Duran de Nochistlan.
>>
>> " Tambien hubo en Nochistl?n, sangre Genovesa, como la de los
>> Lavezzari-aqui conocidos por Lavezares, de quienes atr?s hemos
>> hablado-y la de los Lomellini -aqui reputados Lomelines-, Carlos de
>> Lomelin, a quien en la Relacion del siglo XVII se le hace,
>> curiosamente, espa?ol de los Reinos de Genova, procedia de una de las

>> siete Casas Nobles de G?nova, y fue estanciero pr?spero en
>> Mexticac?n. Establecido alli por 1624, cas? con do?a Maria de
>> Benavides, descendiente del viejo linaje Nochistlense de ese
>> apellido, habiendo nacido de alli cinco v?stagos: Gaspar, Carlos,
>> Juana, Domingo y Maria.
>>
>> Juana cas? en Nochistl?n el 12 de Septiembre de 1621 con Rodrigo de
>> Carbajal y Ulloa; y viuda, pas? a segundas nupcias con el
>> Jalostitlense Don Francisco Guti?rrez de Hermosillo, hijo del capit?n

>> Francisco Guti?rrez Rubio y de Do?a Leonor de Hermosillo. Por estas
>> vias, gran parte de los linajes Jalostitlenses remontan su
>> ascendencia a los Lomelines de Nochistlan.
>>
>> Domingo uni? su vida a la de do?a Juana de Mendoza, Jalostitlense;
>> hija de Manuel G?mez y de do?a Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza. Cuatro
>> varones y dos hembras resultaron del connubio; a traves de tres de
>> ellos se extendi?
>> generosamente el apellido en la regi?n.
>>
>> Maria de Lomelin y de Benavides cas? con el criollo de la ciudad de
>> Mejico, Don Nicolas P?rez de Contreras. Una hija de este matrimonio,
>> Juana, que fue bautizada en Nochistlan el 3 de Febrere de 1643, cas?,

>> casi ni?a, con don Pedro Gallaga Mandarte y Rodriguez, hijo de Don
>> Pedro y de do?a Anna. Del matrimonio surgio el linage alte?o de los
>> Gallagas, rama materna del sacerdote y guerrillero don Miguel
>> Hidalgo-Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte.
>>
>> End of quote. There is much more information about the Lomellin's but

>> since it is not indexed for the names it is time consuming to extract

>> specific information and have not had the time to do it yet.
>>
>> Alicia
>> San Jose, Ca
>>
>> Rose Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records
>> regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's
>> to early 1800's?
>> I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website:
>> http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my
>> Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up
>> with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana

>> y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez
>> Martinez and nothing in there as well.
>>
>> The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about
>> 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and
>> Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the
>> late 1700's to early 1800's.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rose
>> Fresno, CA

"Ameca, protofundación mexicana" gratis en Google Books

Compañeros genealogistas:

Quería compartirles que el libro "Ameca, protofundación mexicana: historia de la propiedad del valle de Ameca, Jalisco, y circunvecindad", del gran historiador amequense Jesús Amaya Topete, ya está disponible gratis en Google Books. Este libro es esencial para los que tenemos ascendencia amequense. Aquí está el enlace:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s