on this page of family search: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4VSW-LB?i=161&cc=1804458&lang=en
child is Je Bernabe of Blas Palacios and Prudencia Guerrero (right side first complete record)
I'm trying to figure out the Abuelo Paterno first name of . . .is it ???Hoquinto??? Palacios and Micaela Reyes (see the attached snip)
thanks,
Joseph
Researching possible relative Juan de Saavedra in 17th century Lagos, and I ran across the de Saavedra y Guzman family, Basically, the below pedigree is cobbled from different sources. In some cases, I found this family group in online trees with the addition of my Juan de Saavedra and his wife Maria de Villegas:
PEDIGREE 1
1 Antonio de Saavedra Guzmán (Espanol) (c.1562-c.1620)
m. Catalina de Villafañe y Alvarado
1.1 Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (birth estimates range from c.1589/c.1590)
m. María de Monroy y Flores (birth estimates range from c.1590 to c.1633)
1.1.1 Juan de Saavedra (Espanol) (birth estimates range from c.1590 to b.1634 and most dates for death are c.1675)
m. María de Villegas alias de Rodas alias Gonzales (Espanola/mestizo) (b.????)
1.1.1.1 Ana Saavedra (b.1651)
1.1.1.2 Ines Saavedra (b.1653)
1.1.1.3 Juana Saavedra (b.1654)
1.1.1.4 Josepha Saavedra (b.1660)
1.1.1.5 María Saavedra (abt.1663?)
1.1.1.6 Juan Saavedra (b.1664)
1.1.1.7 Phelipe Saavedra (b.1664)
1.1.1.8 Santiago Saavedra (b.????)
1.1.2 Isabel de Saavedra y Monroy (most online dates of birth are around c.1633)
m. Ines de Brenes y Mendoza (birth dates are again all over the map, usually c.1610 to c. 1622)
1.1.2 Isabel de Saavedra y Monroy (some pedigrees place Isabel as daughter of Ines de Brenes y Mendoza)
The proven pedigree I researched below belongs to another Juan Saavedra. It is based upon this Juan de Saavedra's marriage record and the baptism record of his daughter, María:
PEDIGREE 2
A Juan de Saavedra (b.????)
Hola, everyone:
My name is Rian and I am currently researching my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA. I believe he was born around 1635 and he married Micaela de YSASI/ISASSI around 1655. Their children are: Catalina de ARAIZA (1658-?) and Antonio de ARAIZA (1661-?), both of whom were born in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. Andrés de ARAIZA died 4 Jul 1662 in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco.
This WikiTree* says that Andrés de ARAIZA's parents were Juan de ARAIZA y MEDINA and María de las Islas, however I have not found any sources that support this.
*WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Araiza-16
Has anyone come across my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA, in their research and knows how he fits into the picture?
Siempre agradecido,
Rian R.
¡Saludos a todos!
I am very excited to be joining this group. I live in California, USA, and I trace my ancestry back to the early Mexican settlers who came to California between 1769 and 1848. I am currently investigating my family's lines in Ahualulco, Jalisco.
Some of the families I am researching are: VÁSQUEZ, GÓMEZ, CORONA, DE ARAIZA, CORTÉS, DE YSASI/ISSASI, TIZNADO, ALVARÉZ, "CASTELO," RODRÍGUEZ, PATRÓN, DE LEÓN, DE HARO, PACHECO, DEL VALLE, DE SOTO, DE ÁVILA, ESPINOSA, LUGO.
I look forward to collaborating with everyone!
Atentamente,
- Rian R. (https://nuestrosranchos.org/rian)
Hello,
Thank you for allowing me to join this group. I am looking forward to learning from everyone here. I've been lurking for awhile now as a visitor reading public posts and am impressed by the knowledge and research of the members here.
Even though I've researched my Texas and American ancestors for a few years I'm a novice with Mexican genealogy. I have many questions and maybe a bit of original research to contribute, also.
I am researching families primarily in Jalisco and Guanajuato that are spread out like a wide curved paintbrush stroke from Aquascalientes southeast across Encarnación de Díaz and Lagos de Moreno through León and ending around Silao.
Surnames include (bold type indicates special interest): Gómez/Gómes, Tavares/Tabares, Pacheco, Carillo, Mena, Beloso/Veloso/Velas, Villegas, López de Lara, Padilla/Padilla de Ávila, Mezquita/Amesquita, Araisa/Araysa/Araiza, Quirós, Días/Díaz, Abrego, Sánches/Sánchez, Almaguer, Yañez, Ojeda, Hernández Ñagas, Saavedra, Mendoza, Santoyo, Santos, San Joseph, Luna y Tapía, Amador, Hernández/Hernándes/Hernándes de Aguila, Lópes/López, Chavarria, Martínez/Martín, Flores, de la Cruz, de los Reyes, Zamores/Samores, de Silva/de Silba, Medina, Espitia, Lovato/Lobato, Ximénes/Giménes/Jiménes, Espinosa/Espinoza, Gonzáles/González, Alonzo, Ortiz de Parada, Moreno, Gonzáles de Ruvalcava, Gallardo, Rodas, Balderrama/Valderrama/Gauderrama, Beserra/Becerra, Carrillo, Romo/Romo de Vivar, Macías, Baladés/Valadés, Lomelín, Ruiz de Esparza/Ruis de Esparsa, de la Cerda, de la Cerna, López de la Cerda, Báez/Báes/Váez/Vaz, Ysassi/Isassi/Ysas/Isasi, Rodrígues/Rodríguez, Ponse/Ponce/Ponze, Gutiérrez, Torres, Garnica, Cardoza/Cardosa, Cardona, Zamarripa/Samarripa, Cortéz/Cortés, Pichardo and de la Mota.
With multiple lines of descent from the following couples in the 1600's and 1700's:
Thanks again,
Travis
A new member (NA, T) asked if anyone in the group has, or is working on this. Also whether it would be good information to upload to the website (Not my area of research but I'd say YES, please do):
I am working on a transcription of the 1669 padron of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos, with some genealogical notes on its individuals and family groups with some references to records (marriage, baptism and dispensas). I'm only on page 11 so far so it'll be awhile before I'm finished. Ultimately my intention is to cross-reference it with the 1676 padron. Also, I'm indexing the pueblos and ranchos in the 1808 padron (with brief notes on some ranches like chain of ownership, name changes, etc.).
Joseph Puentes
ps: just in case if you all see any Puente/Puentes/De La Puente in any of those records or Diaz too please bring them to my attention.
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to read another document from Francisco de Covarrubias, but I can't make out what the highlighted words say. Could someone take a look and let me know what the highlighted words say? I really appreciate it.
Estimados compañeros,
¿Alguno de ustedes tiene información que lleve a la localizaión del origen de Rodrigo de Pinedo, residente en Jerez y marido de Catalina Cid Caldera?
Agradeceré enormemente cualquier información al frespecto.
Un cordial saludo,
hfaizcorbe
In search of any Jauregui descendants that originated in Nochistlan then carried over to Mexticacan & Cañadas Jalisco. Ancestor Nicolas de Jauregui, from Los Yugos Cañadas, born around 1790, is who we are researching. Married 1st wife, Petra Gomez. 2nd wife, Juana Yniguez. Searching for maternal & paternal records for Nicolas Jauregui as his mother was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. He must have taken his mother's surname.
When I cleaned up several generations on the Esparaza tree on Family Search to reflect the accurate relationships I was very careful to include the correct mother’s maiden name on each record which was especially important on generations with the same name, like Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa and Lope Ruíz de Esparza Diaz. However, the same Family Search user who had deleted the couple relationship mentioned on my previous post changed a number of the names, including some, but not all of the wives by adding long extensions like these:
Lic. Lope Ruíz De Esparza Espinoza Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui
Lic. Pedro Ruíz De Esparza Caparroso Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s son Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s father
María de Larrasoaña Sra. Del Palacio de Zariquiegui – One of Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici’s wives (Not Lope’s mother)
This extended version of the name was obviously taken from court documents like the example below that uses the name in the title with the added description in the Content of the summary, but this isn’t always the case. There are many court actions that only use Lope Ruiz de Esparza in both the title and Content of the court action.
LOPE RUIZ DE ESPARZA contra DOMINGO DE OSCOZ
Content: Lope Ruiz de Esparza, señor de los palacios de Esparza (Galar) y Zariquiegui, vecino de Pamplona, contra Domingo de Oscoz, residente en el barrio de Santa Engracia de Pamplona, sobre retrocesion de la venta de una viña junto al degolladero de Pamplona de Antonio de Espinosa, su primo carnal, por 47 ducados, alegando derecho de tanteo como pariente mas cercano.
My question is whether those of nobility were referred to as Lord or Lady of a domain from birth, or only after the death of the father? It doesn’t make sense to me that three generations of Esparza men who may have been alive at the same time would all be referred to as Lord of Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui. It seems that, for genealogy purposes, using the mother’s maiden name after the paternal surname distinguishes one generation from another sufficiently. Family Search offers another area called Other Formation/Alternate Name where name variations and additional information can be added.
Anyway, I looked into what Family Search recommended for Name entry and following the guidelines changed the names back to the ones I had originally used with paternal and maternal surnames. I included Source documents that stated ONLY the name without the extended description in the title of court actions, suggested that name variations could be added under Other Formation/Alternate Name, and actually added the extended information in that section. Again, the user changed them all back to the extended names. I’m not to get into a dueling match with this user and make any more changes. Meanwhile, I’m going to a Family Search seminar in June that deals with how to maintain accuracy in trees and deal with those who are making it difficult, so I will bring up my issues then.
Thanks for any insight that can be offered here about title and name traditions in Spain during the Middle Ages and in genealogy, in general.