Jose and Angie,
I seem to recall reading something about this subject.  It might have 
been in "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" by Mariano González-
Leal. Possibly the Franco de Paredes chapter.  I would have to concur 
with Angie's statements, unless my memory is failing me.  The case 
study was where the husband added his wife's surname to his own.  He 
might have been Franco and the wife was Paredes so the husband added 
Paredes to his own surname. The reason for the addition is just what 
Angie said: the wife's surname carried more prestige than the 
husband's.  Steven may be able to shed some light on this.  I believe 
he is contributing to the newest edition of Retoños.
One thing we should keep in mind when you say "traditionally the wife 
keeps her maiden name" is that traditions change over time and it all 
depends on what century you are debating.  There is a big difference 
in naming patterns in say 1580 and 1920.

Maria
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jose  Macias"

thanks for your input.

aajay1073 wrote:

I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking
for my source for this information},

one day when you unexpectedly come across it please do send it in to the
group, thanks.

that if the wife's family was of
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements during
that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's
surname which would then pass to their children. And the females
took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children
as the secondary surname.

In terms of mispellings or spelling variations. Again, I read
somewhere, the person recording the name tended to be more educated
then the general people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him
to ask how to spell a name to someone who was less educated them he.
The ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than
likely even those people who did know how to write, were probably
still not asked

I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking 
for my source for this information}, that if the wife's family was of 
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements during 
that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's 
surname which would then pass to their children.  And the females 
took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children 
as the secondary surname.

In terms of mispellings or spelling variations.  Again, I read 
somewhere, the person recording the name tended to be more educated 
then the general people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him 
to ask how to spell a name to someone who was less educated them he.  
The ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than 
likely even those people who did know how to write, were probably 
still not asked the correct way to spell their name.

just me two cents...

Angie

Pacorro73@... wrote:

Notice that #6, Gerónima de Liébana was the namesake
of her mother, Gerónima de Liébana.



By the way the surname, Liébana, is a toponymic one.  Toponymic surnames
refer to some place, geographic entity or feature, city, town, or region. 
In this case, La Liébana a region in the Province of Cantabria, directly
north of Palencia and which surrounds the present day town of Potes, in Cantabria,
where this family came from originally.



Other toponymic surnames include, León, Avila, Palencia, Madrid, Sevilla,
Badajoz, Oñate, Ayala, Orozco, Trujillo, Zamora, Burgos, Códoba, Garnica,
Soria, etc, which are towns and cities in Spain.  Others include Peña (a
massive boulder), Río/Ríos (river/rivers), Barranca/Barranco (cliff), Vega
(flat lowland), Sierra (mountain range), Huerta (field), etc, etc.  But I
digress.

yes you did, but a wonderful digress-ion it was!!

Here's yet another example, of my own direct male
line, the source of my last name, which was once

Dear Ranchos Group:



Hello everyone.  In response to Joseph's quite valid question, or rather comment, of course I've seen both men and women use either part or all of their mother's surname, which could have also been her mother's surname.  This was far more common for women to do, by far, but there are cases where I've seen men do this also.



I just found a Juan Camarena in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, whose father was Antonio Rodríguez and his mother was Antonia Camarena.  Juan Camarena was married to Josepha Joaquina Tello de Orozco (aka Josefa Joaquina de Orozco) under the name "Juan Rodríguez," but proceeded to call himself Juan Camarena everytime he baptized a child.  By the time of his grandchildren, he was always refered to as Juan Camarena.  This complicated things because for the longest time I was looking for a Juan Camarena.  Boy was I surprised to find out he was really a Rodríguez!!  Who really knows why Juan decided to use his mother's name, but it might be some psychological

Have you all experienced individuals using their maternal grandmothers
name for some records?

I have two instances when in one case the man was named with a surname
that could only be explained if he was using his maternal grandmothers
last name. (note this one example was the only time I saw this for a
man). I also have a marriage record for a woman that was using her
maternal grandmothers last name.

Have you all seen this before? It is getting to be pretty common for me
to find records with individuals using their mothers name rather than
their fathers name but this use of the maternal grandmothers last name
has me questioning the records I'm looking at.

thanks,

joseph

Very nicely done. I saw some things here especially on the Military that
might very well help me later. Lot of good stuff. thanks so much I very
much appreciate your contribution to the group.

I'd like to make a proposal to the group. . .There are roughly 50 of us
now in the group. If each one of us were to contribute one such article
like Rosalinda's that is infopacked but to the point we'd have one
message per week to consider for the advancement of our genealogy.
Consider it a challenge. One time per year is not asking very much.

thanks Rosalinda,

joseph


rosa9972 wrote:

Hi group--

For those of you just beginning your genealogy research (or anyone
else interested in Mexican genealogy), I found some links from
www.familysearch.org that may be helpful. Look under the Files
section, in the Aah-ther Stuff file, under Familysearch Links.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda



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Hi group--

For those of you just beginning your genealogy research (or anyone 
else interested in Mexican genealogy), I found some links from 
www.familysearch.org that may be helpful.  Look under the Files 
section, in the Aah-ther Stuff file, under Familysearch Links.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

Welcome Arnoldo!

My grandma is from Totatiche, as well as her ancestors.  I have 
quite a bit of info, so maybe we can share notes to see if we're 
cousins.  Many people from Totatiche are related to each other.  
Once you post your genealogy, I'll be able to see if you're 
related.  Check out my files too!  Stella and I are cousins, and we 
met through this group!

Rosalinda 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arnoldo Garcia  
wrote:
> Hello,
>  Just joined this group.  Looking forward in meeting with many of 
you.
>  My Fathers family is from Villa Guerrero ( Juanacatic ) Jalisco, 
and my 
>  Mothers family is from Totatiche, Jalisco.
>  I have just begun but have do have some information.
>  Thanks, for letting me in this group.
>  Arnoldo 
> 
>