okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am simply
blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all, todos, or
at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since this past August
showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the Ranchos I've listed
you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the bad handwriting but as
the list got longer I changed my mind about typing the info. Please do ask
me to explain any spelling variations you might perceive as a result of bad
handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording the info several centuries ago.



joseph



ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg grandparents
Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents Cecilio Puente/Dominga
Varela, My gg grandparents: Maximo Gonzales/Serapia Diaz and my g grandfather
Julio Puente. . .not to mention many many other relatives I've

okay I am a very beginning HTML'er so I managed to get the Name
Variation messages on my personal website and linked to it in the
links area. Please take a look. Note the URL is pretty long if
perchance it doesn't work it might be because it wrapped to the next
line and it would be necessary to rebuild it in the URL address
window.

thanks,

joseph

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/ima
ges/namevariations.html

muchisimas gracias a Deena, Angie y Steven. Gracias tambien a los otros que
contestaron este "thread." E aprendido mucho de ustedes. Gracias otra vez.




If no one has any problem with this I was going to make up a file consisting
of Deena's, Angies and Steven's Emails and put it in the files section. .
.yes definitely much easier than trying to list all the possible variations.
Now I guess you can understand that I am trying to progress from specific
examples to general rules and hopefully one day to an understanding of the
ideas and principles of what is involved in the type of research we are undertaking.
. . .otra vez gracias.



joseph



ps: oh yeah, I originally had intended in blending all the replies i received
on the name variation database subject into a single database that would
be used for both the "Ranchos" and "Ciudad Juarez" groups. Unless you contact
me and specifically tell me not to I'm going to create and identical "file"
message for the "Ciudad Juarez" group.



Pacorro

Deena, I agree with you, but I think you left a few out.

H and G.  Huizar vs Guizar; Huerta vs Guerta.
I and E.  Carrion vs Carreon; Arteaga vs Artiaga.
The S at the end can always be dropped.  Conchas vs Concha; Campos vs 
Campo; Correas vs Correa; Torres vs Torre.

Also you can combine some of the rules; for example...LL equals a Y, 
which in turn equals an I.  I have seen Ayon spelled Allyon, Ayyon, 
Allon, Alon, Aion and of course Ayon.

Also you have to think about bad handwriting: a, u, and o generally 
look similar.  For example, Gaeta vs Gueta.  Godina vs Godino.

And some letters are doubled or not: l, s, t, and r.  Valensuela vs 
Valenssuela; Torres vs Tores; Enrriques vs Enriques.

There are several articles on genealogy.com that talk about many of 
these rules.  They talk about names in general but I think some of 
the rules may apply to Spanish surnames.  Two of the articles are:

Spelling Doesn't Count --> http://www.genealogy.com/62_donna.html
Name and Word Spellings --

Stupendous!! 



There you go, you got it.  Best analysis I've seen yet.  People, save this message.  Print it out and do all you can short of framing it have it handy.  Memorize it word for word, letter for letter.  Excellent breakdown Deena!! 



Everyone as soon as you integrate the INFININTE variations in name spellings, given the basic rules and guidelines that Deena has put together, the better.  Just accept it, and move on.  Your research will proceed at a faster pace once you understand and are open minded to the fact that spellings of names and simple common words was not standardized back in the old days.  Do not mentally restrain yourself when confronted with differences in spelling or grammar.



You have to understand that the letters that Deena has specified all relate to a specific sound or phoneme.  The letters B and V both produce the exact same sound.  In proper Spanish, there is no difference between "B de burro" y "V de vaca," as they say.  The sound produced in Spanish

For starters  ;-)

        The name "Dionicio" and "Leonicio" appear to have been used
interchangeably.

Maria del Carmel called Carmel or Carmen
Josefa and Sanjose
Jose, Josef, Joseph

        I had not thought of name variation in terms of spelling as there
were no standardized spellings.  For example:

Anything with an "s" could also be found with a "z" and sometimes a "c" or
an "x."
The letter "b" could always be substituted for "v."
"F" was often spelled with "ph."
The Spanish "ll" was frequently spelled with "y" or one "l" might be
dropped:
The "h" may or may not be there: Ortega/Hortega
The letters "i" and "y" are interchanged; sometimes "hi" and "y" are
interchanged:  Hilario/Ylario
The letter "j" is frequently spelled with "x" or sometimes "g": Tejeda,
Texeda, Tegeda
The letter "t" is frequently interchanged with "th": Torres/Thorres or
Marthin/Martin
"U" is spelled with a "V": Ulloa/Vlloa

        That said, I have found Xauregui spelled at least ten different
ways; the same

Here are a few more:

Campos, Ocampo
Carcamo, Carcomo
de Haro
Enriques, Enrriques, Henriques, Henrriques
Luna, de Luna
Magallanes, Magallanez
Martinez, Martines
Mejia, Mexia
Melendes, Melendez, Melendres, Melendrez
Munoz, Munos
Placencia, Placensia, Plasencia, Plascencia,
Placenscia, Plasenscia
Ramirez, Ramires
Reynoso, Reynozo, Reinoso, Reinozo
Robles, de Robles
Salazar, Zalasar
Saldivar, Zaldivar
Santellan, Santillan
Sid, Cid
Soria, de Soria
Villavicensio, Villavisencio
Yslas, Islas

     -Esther



--- rosa9972  wrote:
> Here are some more:
> 
> Ayon, Allon
> Aro, Haro, de Aro
> Arceo, Harceo
> Artiaga, Arteaga
> Carreon, Carrion
> Covarrubias, Cobarrubias, Cobarruvios, de las
> Covarrubias, Santa   
>            Maria y Covarrubias
> Godoy, Godoi, Carlos de Godoy
> Grano, Grana, Campo y Grano
> Gutierres del Palacio
> Jara, Xara, Fernandez de Jara
> Leiba, Leyva, Leiva, Leyba
> Llanos Valdes, Llamos y Valdes, Llanos y Valdes,
> Llanes Valdes, 
>            Llamas

Dear Ranchos group,



I just noticed that someone mentioned the surname Alvarez del Castillo.  Who has seen it?  And where?  When?  I have never seen that surname outside of Arandas, Ayo el Chico, Guadalajara, and Michoacán.



Steven H.

Here are some more:

Ayon, Allon
Aro, Haro, de Aro
Arceo, Harceo
Artiaga, Arteaga
Carreon, Carrion
Covarrubias, Cobarrubias, Cobarruvios, de las Covarrubias, Santa   
           Maria y Covarrubias
Godoy, Godoi, Carlos de Godoy
Grano, Grana, Campo y Grano
Gutierres del Palacio
Jara, Xara, Fernandez de Jara
Leiba, Leyva, Leiva, Leyba
Llanos Valdes, Llamos y Valdes, Llanos y Valdes, Llanes Valdes, 
           Llamas, Valdes, Valdez, Baldes
Loera, Luera
Magallanes, Magayanes
Mallorga, Mayorga
Ponce, Ponze
Rojas, Roxas
Urena, Ureno, de Urena, Vreno, Vrena 

Rosalinda


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> >Godina,  Godoi, Godoy
> >
> >  
> >
> I thought Godina and Godoy were two different names?
> 
> Now this brings up where I'm going with this database. These 
entries 
> until I put them in the files section should be 
considered "drafts." 
> They are open to discussion and correction. First names will be 
> separated from

Fonseca, Fonceca
Avila, Abila, Davila,  De Avila
Villegas, Billegas, Viyegas

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