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Limosna





Pacorro73@... wrote:

About the fábrica and the
limosna, the fábrica of a church was dedicated to ongoing construction
or repairs of a church, especially if it was new.  The limosna was also
given to the church for the same purpose, and for other church
necessities.  If it mentions that a limosna was given in a burial, that
means that it's even more humble than a cruz baja, because they could
not even afford the high price of a burial with "cruz baja."  So they
had to settle for the least amount of service.

Yes thanks so much for this. I've wondered about that word "Limosna"
and now I know. But when you say the "least amount of service" I'm
wondering if that also might include what was recorded in the death
certificate. I've noticed that there is are variations in what is
recorded. Mostly if the person was an adult and married he stated as
being casado and the name of the person. If he was widowed - viudo de
name of person. died as a child- parvulo name of parents. But

Cruz Alta y Cruz Baja

As far as I have always known, a burial with "Cruz Alta" meant that you were rich and could afford a sumptuous vigil, mass, procession, and burial.  These cost more and were taken care of in a person's last will and testament. Take a look at the following examples:

Funerales de Antaño

Nuestro insigne escritor, Mariano Picón Salas, dejó una rica descripción en su obra Viaje al amanecer, de cómo eran los funerales en la Mérida de principios del siglo XX. Cuenta don Mariano que por la calle de la Igualdad (hoy Canónigo Uzcátegui) desfilaban las procesiones hasta el cementerio de El Espejo. A los merideños de aquellos tiempos, como a los de ahora, les encantaba participar en estos rituales, por eso mucha gente caminaba detrás del infortunado, en procesión hasta su lugar de reposo. La calle se llamaba Igualdad precisamente porque era la vía al cementerio, lugar donde todos somos iguales. Sin embargo no todos los entierros eran iguales, había los de Cruz Alta, con Deán y Cabildo, para los

abbreviations

The letter B used in that context "yo el B D Fulano de Tal" means Bachiller.  A Bachiller was someone who had received their Bachelor of Arts degree (Baccalaureate), thus a Bachelor (compare: Bachiller/Bachelor).  This title of Bachiller, as well as that of Doctor (roughly corresponding to a Ph.D.) could be obtained by anyone, lay and clergy, as long as they attended a Seminary University, and had the money to do so.  It certified them as being highly knowledgeable about canon law and Catholic religious procedure.

 

Regards,

Steven H.

Cruz Alta y Cruz Baja

In the libro de defuciones (Deaths) what does the the phrase " por 
cruz alta" or " Cruz Bajo" mean ?  Also I hav seen reference to money 
or "Alms" paid?   for example "en fabrica de dos Reales".....
 any help abbreciated..


Vecinos y La Cruz

I have also always seen Vecinos de ******  as being neighbors and 
then usually the Rancho is named. 






--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> As far as I know vecino means "resident," as of a particular town.  
My Nuevo 
> Espasa Ilustrado Dictionary defines vecino as "adj, s. 1. Que 
habita con otros 
> en un mismo pueblo, barrio o casa. 2. Cercano."  So there.  This so 
called 
> "expert" was probaby confusing the fact that after an Indian was 
converted, 
> he/she could no longer live out in the wild among other Indians.  
He/she had to 
> live at the mission, thus becoming a "vecino," a resident, of said 
mission, just 
> like all the other residents or inhabitants of the mission like the 
> Spaniards, mestizos, and slaves.
> 
> The little cross (+) used on the margins of archives or after 
someone's name 
> simply means that the person has passed away.  It is common usage 
in Spanish 
> writing to refer to Fulano de Tal (+), with the little cross after 
his

abbreviations

I would like some help with an abbreviation I've found and havent 
been able to read... the Bautismo entry reads as follows:

En la yglesia Parrpquia de SS Jose de Guehucar en Onze de Marzo de 
Noventa y Ocho Yo el B* D* Jose del Valle Cpp. ........ 

The abbreviation that  is pestering me is the B*. 
D* is surely "Don"  but the B* may be an abbreviation for a religious 
title or something else...??


Aguascalientes

Gloria thanks so much for the info on Aguascalientes. It is coming just
in time as I recently found out that one of my GGGG grandparents, Pedro
Torres [see attachment] was originally from "la villa de Aguascalientes."


oh and the second link has a slight misspelling so here is the corrected
link:


http://www.muniags.gob.mx/historico/haciendacieneguilla.asp

I just put the links in the links section of the group. Thanks

joseph

JPEG image

webpage for Aguascalientes

For members interested in Aguascalientes, you might check out their
excellent webpage: http://www.muniags.gob.mx Click on the various
icons across the top to check out different sites.


Or, you can check out the various haciendas or ex-haciendas directly;
a brief historical description is given of each at:
http://www.muniags.gob.mx/hisorico/haciendacieneguilla.asp This also
links to the other ex-haciendas.


Gloria

Que Paso con los Anos 1679 - 1839

I still have not found my grandma Maximina Lopez daughter of Jesus Lopez who should be in those records.  I've looked in Sombrerete and Fresnillo, she would have been born about 1897 and the films are indexed and still can't find her.  I have found other siblings in that time frame.  They crossed over in 1907 so I wouldn't need any records after that time-frame probably 1885-1907, I've researched.  I have found her dad's records etc., and have gone back at least four generations on my Lopez line but I will get back to looking for Maxmina's record again soon.  Also I've done research on my great-grandma Librada Gonzalez (Maxmina's mother) and have gone back a few generations on her lines as well.   Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

who did you find in Fresnillo and Sombrerete and during what time period?

thanks,

joseph

Carol Turner wrote:

Interesting...I found some of my family in Fresnillo films as well as Sombrerete, if you need me to do any look-ups for you let me know.   Contact