Everton's Newsline--13 May 2004
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These forum posts are from the old “Ranchos Archives” which was part of a Yahoo Groups system that operated between 2003-2006. This was a hybrid of electronic mailing lists and internet message boards. The files are “Read Only” and many of the users of the Yahoo Groups are not part of the new NuestrosRanchos membership, so keep this in mind when viewing these message posts and replies.
1903 Sagrada Mitra
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FHL Lookup Service
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One of the little known services, of the Family History Library, in Salt Lake. Is the copies by mail service: This is what the Family Search, site says about it: "
To obtain photocopies of a few pages from a book or a few frames of microfilm I am uploading copies, of the request forms. This is a way, to get copies of the original records, without having to order the film or goto Salt Lake, to see the book. Thanks, Jonathan Walker 1140 North 230 West Logan, Utah 84341 Experienced Hispanic Genealogist - More
Info: href="http://members.pcu.net/Hispanic_Genealogy/">http://members.pcu.net/Hispanic_Genealogy/ or href="http://hispanicgenealogy.4t.com">http://hispanicgenealogy.4t.com |
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Salt Lake Trip
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Dear Jonathan,
There is a record that I would love to see:
Lope Ruiz de Esparza
Spouse: Francisca Gabay Abt. 1594, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
Batch: F868327
Sheet: 009
Source call: 1396258
I've been reading on message boards (I like to see what the non-serious researchers are up to) that Francisca Gabay's mother was a Moctezuma, and most likely a descendent of the Aztec royal family. My curiosity is killing me.
Thanks,
Alice
Jonathan Walker
I am going to be at the Family History Library, in Salt Lake City, on Saturday, May 8.
If anyone needs, a record lookup. Let me know, and I'll get it, for you.
Thanks,
Jonathan Walker
1140 North 230 West
Logan, Utah 84341
Experienced Hispanic Genealogist - More Info:
http://members.pcu.net/Hispanic_Genealogy/
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Land Redistribution in Los Altos Region of Jalisco
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Hello Alice, I have a family stories to share regarding this subject as well as the Cristiada. My paternal grandfather, Francisco Sánchez, was a Cristero. The Cristero rebellion affected my father's family greatly. When the government took action against the Cristeros, my grandfather had to move his entire family out of their homestead (San Nicolas de los Abundis) to Guadalajara. They were forced to leave everything behind and the family suffered great hardship as a result. They eventually moved back to San Nicolas and had to "start over". My grandfather felt betrayed by the Catholic Church. When the government took action against the Cristeros my grandfather felt that the Church should've stepped in more and help the Cristeros. Instead, they stood idly by and did nothing to help those who risked their lives to defend the Church. On the subject of land redistribution: my father purchased several acres of land in a coastal area in Jalisco called "El Tule" back in
Land Redistribution in Los Altos Region of Jalisco
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Steven,
How wonderful that you had the opportunity to do such extensive research on Mexican history. I have a question for you. I was raised by a family whose origins were from Los Altos. They were one of the hacenderos families, and did not seemed touched by the Cristero movement - how could this happen? When the property was transferred to this family's grandfather, he lost it in gambling, which forced the family to move to Guadalajara (1940's). Recently, one of the brothers was able to repurchase the old ranch/hacienda and is now living there again. How could a family go untouched with all this happening around them? Or are there possibly family secrets that I am not previed to yet?
Land Redistribution in Los Altos Region of Jalisco
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Steven,
Now that was the most interesting thing I've read about Jalisco, ever. I think you're right that the stories I've heard were about the Cristero Rebellion and not the 1910 Revolution. I'm going to share your interesting message with others.
Just this morning I found a chapter in the "Retonos de Espana" book that said the 1910 Revolution didn't affect the Altenos and I was thinking that these old-time Carpinterians were telling tall tales. One man (a De Alba) talked of his family losing everything and that as a child he was sent to the U.S. and taken in by some people. Because the man sharing the story seemed like an average guy, I always had a hard time believing any of it.
I even remember hearing stories that my grandfather and one of his brothers (Santiago & Benjamin Martin Del Campo) left Jalisco and didn't want to return because of the Revolution. Their mother made a special trip to the U.S. to talk them into returning, but they wouldn't budge and she left
Land Redistribution in Los Altos Region of Jalisco
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In Los Altos de Jalisco, people did not lose land because of the Revolution of 1910. There was little to no involvement by Alteños in the land power struggle and mainstream of the Revolución. That as we may or may not know, involved land redistribution in various areas of Mexico, notably Durango, Chihuahua, Morelos, Guerrero, etc.
However, since the Cristero Rebellion is considered part of the greater Mexican Revolution, and because the Cristiada DID in fact play a greater role in the history of Los Altos, I would venture to say that these individuals are referring to the Cristiada, which actually took place from 1926 to 1929.
During the Cristero Rebellion, Los Altos de Jalisco became the focal point of the religious whirlwind. Most Alteños gave financial, physical, moral, and spiritual support to the priests-in-hiding and the Cristero Rebels. In order to stop this continuous support by the local people, the Mexican federal government ordered everyone within a designated
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Land Redistribution in Los Altos Region of Jalisco
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Hello Friends, I come from Carpinteria, CA where many people from the Los Altos region of Jalisco settled (aside from having the "World's Safest Beach" Carpinteria had the last segregated school in California). Anyways, some of the old-timers claim that their families lost land in the Revolution of 1910. I'm a bit skeptical and am curious if anyone has heard similar stories from their families. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, Alice
New file uploaded to ranchos
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Jonathan,
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I was unable to find the information for "El Papalote" when looking at the previous census link (maybe my problems stemmed from it being in Spanish). Would you be so kind to do one for Jalisco as well?
Thanks again,
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos
group.
File : /Mexico Census Info/INITER01.pdf
Uploaded by : walkerjona
Description : Aguascalientes
You can access this file at the URL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Mexico%20Census%20Info/INITER01.pdf
To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
Regards,
walkerjona
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