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    Alicia, I have thoroughly enjoyed your tidbits of
"nopaleslore".  Your ensalada de nopales is very similar to my mom's, with
the exception of the queso fresco.  I will have to add that next time I
make this dish.  I love having this over frijoles del olla, and
the queso would only make them better. 
 
    Joseph, ves lo que te has
perdido.  Next, you need to try
tunas if you haven't already!   
   
    I have also heard the
_expression_ regarding un nopal en la frente.  My folks used it all the time
to refer to someone who tried to hide their Mexican ethnicity.  My folks
are both from Jalisco, but it seems that some
branches (Lomeli--1600's) came from Nochistlan.  I'd love to
visit Nochistlan some time.  My mom even recalls her dad visiting a cousin
or two there.  I remember seeing a Nochistilan web page
too. 
    Fortunately my folks "forced" us to speak Spanish at
the table too.  Both of my folks are bilingual, but we always speak to them
in Spanish to this
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Indios de Jalisco y Zacatecas y Mexico

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Here is one webpage that has info on the various combinations of racial
mixes:



http://www.multiracial.com/readers/farmer8.html



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here is another article by John Schmal that gives some of the Indios of
Zacatecas:



http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.html



and in general:



http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenousmexico.html



also have a look at this issue of Somos Primos for another great
article on the Indigenous Languages of Jalisco



http://www.somosprimos.com/spmay02.htm#Indigenous  about page 77 but
also look at the pages following page 66 for some good information with
references for more reading materials.



also check this issue for this article: MORALES: 

FROM INDIGENOUS TO MEXICAN TO AMERICAN

  By 

Donna S. Morales and John P. Schmal



http://www.somosprimos.com/spsep02.htm#UNITED%20STATES



also check this article in this issue:


LEARNING ABOUT NORTHERN JALISCO

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More about Nopales

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My family originates from Zacatecas, specifically Tlachichila from the Municipality of Nochistlan. As we all know many people have migrated to the Norte or Los Estados Unidos or as many say El Otro Lado. I grew up in the US of A in San Jose Calif in an all Anglo community and one thing I didn't want to be was different from the rest of my class. However different we were. We had to speak spanish at home which for one who doesn't want to be different or admit to anyone that you're different this was a tough one to hide.
 
When we brought friends home we had to speak spanish to my parents and if someone stayed over for lunch or dinner we had tortillas, nopales, salsa, mole etc etc.( trying pretending that you're not Mexican). Our parents knew that we were ashamed and a famous saying was "what are you trying to hide, anyone who sees you can see the nopales on your forehead and hanging on your ears. Translation "De que to escondes, se te ven los nopales en la
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Zacatecas and Jalisco Nopales, Ensalada de Nopales

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Ensalada De Nopales
 
Cut and clean the nopales. That is what we call it limpiar (clean) los Nopales.
 
Dice into bite size cubes. Boil in water with fresh oregano 2 sprigs, fresh cilantro two sprigs, two smashed cloves of garlic,  1/4 onion, 2 tsps salt. Boil until they reached the desired tenderness about 20 minutes. Drain and rinse thoroughly. Allow to cool completely.
 
Remove the smashed garlic, 1/4 onion, sprigs of cilantro and oregano.
 
1/2 onion, finely chopped
1 tomato diced
fresh cilantro chopped finely about 10 sprigs
1 cup queso fresco, diced or crumbled (this is mexican cheese) In California it's usually El Mexicano brand but there could be others. Other states I don't know.
1 serrano or jalapeno chile finely minced
For dressing, juice of 1/2 lemon, 3 tablespoons rice wine vinegar,  olive oil about 1/2 cup,
salt and pepper to taste.
 
Enjoy!  I guessed on the quantities because of course everything is passed on by word of mouth or visually you just put in a little bit
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Zacatecas and Jalisco Nopales

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Let me see how I can keep this on topic. . .



well might be better to send me any answers off list.



Quite possibly my great great grandmother Antonia Espinoza [dob: abt
1820] from Tepetongo, Zacatecas taught my great grandmother Antonia
Santa Maria [dob: 1862] from Tepetongo, Zacatecas who taught my
grandmother Virginia Diaz [dob: 1886] from Las Animas, Jalisco who then
taught my aunt Julia Puentes [dob: 1918] from Santa Paula, CA how to
make nopales and she this past weekend taught me [dob: 1953] from San
Jose, CA how to make them.



 Just yesterday was the first time I willingly ate
nopales and was pleasantly surprised that they were so so good. It
makes me wonder why I turned my nose up at them when I was a kid, then
again I hated everything that looked like a vegetable back then and I
love them all now.



Here's the recipe:



carefully harvest new nopales about the size of your hand



carefully dethorn them



wash them and cut in 1/2" cubes



boil them for 10 minutes and then
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Native American Dental Identifiers

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I found a webpage that identifies some distinct dental characteristics
of the Native American. Its kind of unclear as to if this is only for
Native Americans found in the US or if it reaches into Mexico. There is
enough information to contact someone at Arizona State University to
find out more.

If anyone is interested contact me off list and I'll forward you the
material.


joseph

Some Articles by John Schmal

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Jonathan,

Thanks for sending the group these interesting articles.  My 
favorite was "Indigenous Mexico: A Lost Connection" and I recommend 
everyone read that one.  Yes, it's a trip for many of us to look in 
the mirror every morning, and the more one becomes engrossed in 
genealogy, the more one becomes aware of the physical 
characteristics the Spanish, Indians, and blacks left us.

Alice


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Walker"  
wrote:
> Here is the link, to some interesting articles, written by John P. 
Schmal and Donna S. Morales, about Mexican history:
> http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/schmal.html
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonathan 
> 
> Experienced Hispanic Genealogist - More Info:
> http://members.pcu.net/Hispanic_Genealogy/
> or http://hispanicgenealogy.4t.com
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Some Articles by John Schmal

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Here is the link, to some interesting
articles, written by John P. Schmal and Donna S. Morales, about Mexican
history:


 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 
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Fw: Everton's Newsline--27 May 2004

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Title: Everton's Newsline--27 May 2004
 
Everton's Newsline--27 May 2004
Daily Special
The Handybook for
Genealogists
10th Edition

Regular:
$59.95
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more info

Confirming Genealogical Information Using Catholic
Church Confirmation Records
By Lynn Turner

Confirmation
records found in Latin American Catholic parish registers have
proved to be an invaluable asset to genealogists.  These
records usually contain the name of the person being confirmed and
names
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Luz Montejano's website

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Ms. Montejano is a genealogy researcher, 
in Mexico.  The site has some genealogies from Chihuahua, Sonora, and other
areas of Mexico.  Also, there is a article about "Los Altos de
Jalisco."

 

Thanks,

Jonathan Walker
1140 North 230 West
Logan,
Utah 84341

 
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