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These forum posts are from the old “Ranchos Archives” which was part of a Yahoo Groups system that operated between 2003-2006. This was a hybrid of electronic mailing lists and internet message boards. The files are “Read Only” and many of the users of the Yahoo Groups are not part of the new NuestrosRanchos membership, so keep this in mind when viewing these message posts and replies.

Looking for book "Una seccion de los Alba de los Altos de Jalis...

In a message dated 1/29/2005 12:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, alva_ken@... writes:

I'm looking for a book from Miguel Alba titled "Una seccion de los
Alba de los Altos de Jalisco" it was supposed to have been published
in Mexico,D.F. in 1981. If anyone has any suggestions how I might
find it, I would appreciate it.

I think I have heard of that book.  Or then again, I may have not.  Sounds rather interesting.  I'll look into it.



My paternal grandparents are from Encarnacion de Diaz,Jalisco. Some
of the surnames involved are:
Alba,Gonzalez,Villasenor,Verdin,Romo,Moreno,Lomelin,Ortega,Guerra,Mart
in,Estrada,Bocanegra,Sotomayor,Arenas,Retamosa.

These names sound like very typical Aguascalientes and northern Los Altos.  These names are very prevalent in Aguascalientes, Teocaltiche, Encarnacion, Lagos de Moreno, Nochistlan (somewhat), and Ojuelos and Pinos to a lesser extent.  I have Alba, Romo, Moreno, Lomelin, Martin (Martin del Campo), Estrada, and Retamosa (which was originally Macias

Allow me to introduce myself...

Hi Marge,

As you may have noticed in my introduction post, I also have ancestors in Zacatecas, namely in Monte Escobedo and Rancho el Limón.  I'll soon have a file ready for uploading.  When I do I'll let you know so you can browse thru it.

Thanks!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "marge vallazza"  wrote:
> Victor, I have Morillo and Tovar ancestors and family connections from Zacatecas.  Marge V:)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Rosalinda M. Ruiz 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:14 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ranchos] Allow me to introduce myself...
> 
> 
>   Hi Victor!
> 
>   Welcome to the ranchos group.  I just wanted to mention that I have families from Totatiche and the surrounding areas.  The last names are Sandoval, Urena, Haro, Del Real, Gonzalez, Rojas, Covarrubias/Cobarrubias, Diaz Romero, Rodriguez, and many, many others.   Do you have a file with your family trees yet?  We may have a connection.  I'm

Allow me to introduce myself...

Hi Rosalinda,

Thanks for the welcoming message; I really appreciate it.  

I'm glad to know that you also have families from Totatiche and the surrounding towns.  It is very likely that we may have an ancestor in common, even if it isn't in the immediate generations that preceded us.  To start with, in my genealogical findings in the IGI from the parish records I already have some of the surnames that you list: for example, Sandoval and Del Real, but I'm sure there may still others that I don't know.

I'm currently in the process of transcribing a list of ancestors from my maternal great grandparents, which are the ones from our area of interest.  I just came back from out of town as I was busy attending some work, that's why I haven't done it.  I'll let you know soon when I upload my files.

Kind Regards

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"  wrote:
> Hi Victor!
> 
> Welcome to the ranchos group.  I just wanted to mention that I have families

FYI: Misc Colotlan Hacienda Info

Gloria,

In reference to the information and question below regarding the Felguerez and Colotlan, I 
make a few comments. One, you can obtain an idea of the land owned by the Felguerez 
family by reviewing the article that I put in the photo section and labeled Valparaiso. 
Paragraph three of Cerro de Gallegos.jpg gives you an estimate of the size of the land 
ownership. In the 1800's ownership of land generally meant ownership of very large tracts 
of land. Secondly, the names of some of the ranchos owned by Felguerez family in 
Valparaiso (I think) were: El Astillero, El Tejujan, Las Cruzes. They also owned a silver 
mine, Santa Elena. In Colotlan, they owned La Trinidad and the silver mine called Bolanos. 
Thirdly, these properties were all lost in the Mexican Revolution to my knowledge. 
Fourthly, one of the Felguerez returned to Valparaiso in the 1920's, only to be murdered. 
Lastly, one of the great artists/painter/sculptors of Mexico today is from Valparaiso and 
part of the

Los Alba de los Altos de Jalisco

Ken,
 
I agree with you, this group provides much valuable information and very rich dialogue. I believe that many in this group are true geneaologists and historians.
 
But by far, our leader, Joseph Puentes has the greatest influence on this group. Joseph keeps our feet to the fire and doesn't lose sight of this groups mission, to reach back into our ancestry, to share verified information with other group members and to be a source of knowledge, inspiration and pride in whatever, wherever and whoever we descend from.
 
Thanks Joseph and all the other Ranchos group members who contribute so much to this group. I won't mention any other names because so many of you have so much to offer whether it be DNA, LDS, regional, historical, language, culinary, music, geography, legends, cultural, religion, tradition and so on. We are lucky to belong to such a rich group of Mexico/Americanos. Que viva la Raza!
 
Alicia
 
 
Joseph Puentes wrote:

where are you Ken? Are you anywhere

FYI: Misc Colotlan Hacienda Info


1/29/05   Cousin Joseph:   Yes, you may share the info on Hacienda
Hipasote.  Especially if it will assist us in finding information about
our family.
 
We -- the Romans -- still have family living out on the ranches
surrounding Hacienda Hipasote.   Also, one of our relatives is married
to the neice of the current owner, Fernando Macias -- she says that her
great aunt purchased the hacienda and her father & his brother -
Fernando Macias inherited the hacienda ---- then her father died.
 
This is how this lady - can't remember her name & forgot to
check my family tree maker program before typing this e-mail -- is
related:  Julian Roman had a younger brother named Juan "Chico" Roman
-- he had a son named Jose Roman & Jose had a daughter named
Francisca Roman  --- Francisca has a son named Guadalupe Ceballos &
Guadalupe is married to the Macias woman.
 
It was by accident that I came across this information.   In 1997
- the 1st time that we visited Hacienda Hipasote (also spelled

Spanish/Indian Municipal Governments and Grammar Schools in 18th Century Mexico


thanks very much to Ed Serros for this very nice article that is located
in the "files" area of Ranchos 2..


joseph

ps: quite a few of you are still not signed on to Ranchos2. If you get
this but can seem to get to Ranchos2 when you click on the "Ranchos2"
link in the "links" area of the "original" Ranchos group then maybe you
are one of those unsubscribed members. There is a lot of info there. let
me know if you can't access that site.




Los Alba de los Altos de Jalisco

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Joseph,

 

Thanks for your help!!!!!!!!. I had tried a google search but had no luck.
I had no idea this was an option.

 

I'm in Glendora, California. It's about 10 miles east of Pasadena.

 

I'll take your advice. I'll try my local library, but if that's no help,
then I'll try my alma mater, Cal Poly University.

 

Appreciatively,

Ken

 

 

Misc. Mexican Music of the 16th17th Centuries

okay I see I've kind of gotten carried away with this. Its just that I
don't think to often of the cultural influences that affected our
relatives in different parts of Mexico. Its hard to imagine my relatives
in 1700's in some small Ranchos being subject to a higher level of
Music. But then I'm sure that even in the bigger Cities there was the
initial presentations and then that influence would filter outward
eventually making its way to the countryside even if it was only on the
strings of single guitarists trying to duplicate the more cultured
sound of the big city.


joseph


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CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO CUS
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Title:     Trayectoria de la música en México
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Corp Author(s):     Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México.
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