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help with translation of another document

Hi everyone, 

I'm trying to read another document from Francisco de Covarrubias, but I can't make out what the highlighted words say. Could someone take a look and let me know what the highlighted words say? I really appreciate it. 

 

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Great job, rvs, that’s how I read it, though there are a couple I see differently, tell me what you think:

4. q[ue h]ay
10. de+ella ya con la m[erce]d
13. al s[eñ]or o[bi]spo
14. no [h]ay otra cosa
15. aviso a v[uestra] m[erced]

Might #2 be “conste”? When I read through, neither really makes sense to me! ;)

For abbreviations, I find this website very helpful: https://www.iifilologicas.unam.mx/dicabenovo/index.php?page=inicio

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Hi @alexfanatico, I am no expert but it seems to me like some of the words are the following:
1. Probanza
2. Conoce
3. Juzgaran
4. ** can't understand this one
5. Cosa faltare
6. Ser cosa tan
7. Tan remotas
8. Ser sus padres
9. Le sobra
10. De ella, ya con la mal * not 100% sure of "mal" as the last word
11. Proveyó 
12. Avisado
13. Al Santo Oficio or Sr. Oficial * not 100% sure
14. Hay Dicha Cosa * not 100% sure of "hay" as the first word.
15. Aviso ahí
16. ** can't understand this one
17. Su mujer __ __ conserve. ** can't make out two or three words of this part.

I hope it may be useful!
Best regards,



 

Rodrigo de Pinedo

Estimados compañeros,

¿Alguno de ustedes tiene información que lleve a la localizaión del origen de Rodrigo de Pinedo, residente en Jerez y marido de Catalina Cid Caldera?

Agradeceré enormemente cualquier información al frespecto.

Un cordial saludo,

hfaizcorbe

 

Jauregui from Nochistlan to Mexticacan

In search of any Jauregui descendants that  originated in Nochistlan then carried over to Mexticacan & Cañadas Jalisco.  Ancestor Nicolas de Jauregui, from Los Yugos Cañadas, born around 1790, is who we are researching.  Married 1st wife, Petra Gomez. 2nd wife, Juana Yniguez. Searching for  maternal & paternal records for Nicolas Jauregui as his mother was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. He must have taken his mother's surname. 

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Nicolas Jauregui’ s wife, Tomasa Jauregui Gonzalez, descends from Juan  Francisco Xauregui and Josefa  Chavez Siorda.

The marriage dispensation that I attached states that they are related through the Jauregui so,yes, Nicolas most likely descends from that same couple. The record states that they are “ segundo con tercer grado” cousins. That means that it is most likely that Tomasa’s father is a sibling to a grandparent of Maria de los Santos Jauregui.   That would make Nicolas Jauregui also a descendant of Juan Francisco Xauregui and Josefa Chavez Siorda.
Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you! Can you please tell me where this record is and what year?  We only knew of Nicolas other 2 wives, not Tomasa. The only record we've seen for Nicolas's mother Juana, was that she was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. I assume she was not married by church to Encarnacion Yniguez, therefore Nicolas was not given his father's surname? There were so many Jauregui's in that area. 

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Hello Karina,

Nicolas was the legitimate son of J Encarnacion Yniguez and Maria de San Juana Jauregui and was born circa 1827 according to his marriage dispensation to Tomasa dated:


2 de noviembre de 1846

  They are “ segundo con tercer grado” cousins. 
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684L-SMB7?lang=en

I attached their marriage dispensation to their familysearch tree.     https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJHR?view=index&cc=1874591&lang=en&groupId=


I attached the record to Tomasa Jauregui Gonzalez so check her source dated 1846


I am sorry that I didn’t respond sooner.

Your welcome,
Rick A. Ricci

Ruiz Esparza names and titles in the 1500s

When I cleaned up several generations on the Esparaza tree on Family Search to reflect the accurate relationships I was very careful to include the correct mother’s maiden name on each record which was especially important on generations with the same name, like Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa and Lope Ruíz de Esparza Diaz. However, the same Family Search user who had deleted the couple relationship mentioned on my previous post changed a number of the names, including some, but not all of the wives by adding long extensions like these: 

Lic. Lope Ruíz De Esparza Espinoza Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui 
Lic. Pedro Ruíz De Esparza Caparroso Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s son Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s father 
María de Larrasoaña Sra. Del Palacio de Zariquiegui – One of Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici’s wives (Not Lope’s mother)

This extended version of the name was obviously taken

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Hello Travis,

I took another look at Bartolome de Mesquita.  His wife Lucia Torres doesn’t show any Silva ancestry.  In looking for Bartolome de Mesquita’s ancestry. I would first search his name with a mother surnamed Silva.   Next I would replace the Mesquita with Silva and look for a Bartolome Silva.   Mesquita may be a location from where he was from and took it as a surname replacing Silva.  Amesquita is a variation of Mesquita so also search with that spelling.  

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Rick,

Thank you for the info and tips. I'll implement them during my searches.

I agree that the Silba/Silva is probably on Bartolomé's side. I charted 2 possible families to which he may belong. One of these families is documented with Converso affiliations. 

Our Gómez line features 5% Sephardic DNA according to ancestry (tested by a very close relative) and Bartolomé Mesquita and Luisa de Torres are ancestors about 7 times over (our family is descended from them through multiple children, sometimes multiple times). So I've been concentrating on the aforementioned converso Mesquita/Amesquita group.

I hope progress can be made as this couple represents such a large part of our family history. 

Thanks again. 

Best,

Travis

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I found the post that I wrote that I referenced but it focused on surnames changes according to location. Here it is:


“Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) - Mon, 2016-05-30 20:47 | Permalink

Change in surnames according to location given

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Someone asked me to explain the change in surnames in the Ochoa-Garibay pedigree.

If someone here in West Los Angeles asked where I live I would say Mar Vista. If I was in Northern California I would answer Los Angeles. if I was in another state, let's say a state clear across the country on the eastern coast, I would answer California. If I was in another country, I would answer the United States of America. This is how the surname sometimes changed from one generation to the next for Spaniards in the 15th and 16th centuries. The surnames didn't always change permanently. This was a naming pattern in these basque provinces. Some families kept their same surname even if they moved around. Some other families changed their surname often. In some families everyone changed their surname if one person changed his surname, in other families, every sibling may have a different surname.

Juan Martinez de Uncella de Mondragon de Aramayona de Alava
Ivan (Juan) son of Martin residing in the church jurisdiction of Uncella in the Villa Mondragon, from the valley Aramayona, from the Alava province, Basque Country, Spain.

Iglesia de Uncella from the Valle Aramayona, provincia Alava,
Villa de Mondragon

Later! Ybarlucea and Garibay show up as part of the surname. We have Martin Ochoa Ybarlucea becoming Martin Ochoa Garibay. The change is Ybarlucea to Garibay, from the banks of the river where the fern grows in Elorrio (Ybarlucea) to the valley where Elorrio is located (Garibay)
The banks where the fern grows in Elorrio= Ybarlucea
Valle de Elorrio= Garibay
Provincia de Guipozcoa
Basque Country

I hope this helps,
R.A. Ricci”


The reason that I wrote this originally was to explain why many of the family members had different surnames from their siblings, parents, or other relatives.

Rick A Ricci
 

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Hello Rick,

Thank you for posting this comment. Your modern parallel using Mar Vista, LA and CA is excellent. It helped.

Yes, 17th century Colonial surnames are challenging for a novice like myself but much more preferable - from a genealogical perspective - over Anglo naming practices, where these valuable clues are lost after marriage! 

Connected story: using the 1669 Padron of Santa María de los Lagos, I charted out the family of Juan Días Toribio and Inés de Abrego. Most of their children assumed the surname Días, but some daughters opted to occasionally use "Abrego." 

For almost a year I assumed that the "Antonia Rodrígues," who lived on the same Hacienda was a worker or servant. She is listed among the servants further down the list from the family. Later, I discovered her serving as madrina in multiple baptisms alongside her father "Juan Días Toribio" as padrino. 

I learned a lesson. Never make assumptions based upon surnames in Colonial records.

This brings me to a surname question:

What is the function of "Toribio" at the end of Juan Días's name? Toribio is a personal name. I have never seen it used as a surname.

If it's not a surname; why did he place it at the end of his name? To distinguish himself from another Juan Días?

Thank you. 

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Hello Travis,

Toribio, as many other names in Spanish, may be a personal name or a surname. By coincidence, I recently had a medical proceeding and the doctor's name happens to be Héctor (like myself) Toribio. My own first surname is Félix, and I have Carlos and Felipe, among others, as surnames in my family tree. Common surnames are Jaime, Lorenzo, Santiago, Miguel, Juan, etc. In Spain, at the introduction of the Civil Registration (ca 1860), most people with this kind of surname were added the preposition "de" to make clear that it was a surname.

Best regards,

H

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Hello again, Travis,

By the way, have you find any info on the ancestors of Juan Díaz Toribio and Inés de Ábrego. I only know that he was Spanish and she was mestiza.

Best regards,

H

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Hello Hector!

I have not been able to identify the parents of either Juan or Inés.

Here is what I know so far:

Juan Díaz Toribio and Inés de Abrego appear to have moved from Teocaltiche to Lagos sometime between the baptisms of their daughters Inés de Abrego, on 8 June 1641 in Teocaltiche, and Micaela Díaz, on 16 October 1643 in Lagos.

According to 1748 property records, Juan Díaz Toribio purchased the Estancia de Buenavista from Pedro Arias Pardo. There is no date given for the purchase, but I suspect it may have occurred sometime around 1641–1643, coinciding with their move from Teocaltiche to Lagos. After Juan Díaz Toribio's death (abt. 17 Aug 1669), his hacienda, the Estancia de Buenavista, was divided among his four youngest children: Nicolás, Elvira, Tomás, and Ana. Unfortunately, I cannot understand all the information in the record and AI isn't much help, so I am not sure how the property passed out of their hands.

I have tried to determine the location of the Estancia de Buenavista without success. I am fairly certain, however, that it was located somewhere in Jalisco, probably in the area between Lagos and León. In some records, it is also referred to as a hacienda.

Yes, Juan Díaz Toribio is identified as Español in the records, but Inés is specifically identified as mulata in at least one record. Their ten documented children are variously classified in the records as Español, mulato, mestizo, and morisco. Given these classifications, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Inés was most likely mulata rather than mestiza.

I have heard that an early padrón of Teocaltiche exists that may shed some light on Juan and Inés, although I have not been able to locate a copy or examine it yet.

We are descended from this couple through multiple lines, so if you happen to uncover anything further or have any suggestions for additional avenues of research, I would be extremely interested to hear them.

Thank you,

Travis

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The 1748 property record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-RVG3

Baptism of Inés de Abrego, on 8 June 1641 in Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRS3-C1

Baptism of Micaela Díaz, on 16 October 1643 in Lagos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5R2-L

 

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Hello Travis,

The information you have found is quite interesting. It tells where they came from and the time frame. I will and try to find the Teocaltiche padrón you have mentioned and keep looking. Toribio is a rather uncommon surname and Ábrego isn't either very common, although we know that the transmision of surnames didn't follow any logic at the time and it was rather capricious.

Best regards,

Héctor

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Hello Hector, 

Since our last exchange here, I looked back over my notes for Juan Díaz Toribio and noticed the padrinos for the 26 Feb 1656 baptism of his son Tomás are Nicolás Díaz and his wife Ana Nuñez.

What I've found so far on Nicolás Díaz:

Nicolás Díaz cc Ana Nuñez, children:

  1. Baptism 9 Aug 1646 Nicolás Díaz
  2. Baptism Sep 1648 Agustín Díaz

The dates of their sons' baptisms indicate Nicolás Díaz and Ana Nuñez are in the same age set as Juan Díaz Toribio and Inés de Abrego. 

Maybe Juan and Nicolás are brothers? Cousins? 

It's a clue for a potential new avenue of research on the family's origins.

Thank you, 

Travis

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Hi Dana, 

I'm going through a similar dilemma and settled on a similar solution. Thanks for your perspective. 

Everything is standardized today compared to the past so it's taken me a long time to get my mind around this. Even relatives who recently lived in Mexico don't understand naming customs from the colonial period.

Here's a question - not just for you - but for anyone who can answer: what about those with two completely different names?

Example: Ignacío (b c1630) son of Bartolomé de Mesquita and Luisa de Torres, was obviously named after someone, probably a relative, named Ignacío de Silva. So we have some records naming him Ignacío de Silva and others referring to him as Ignacío de Mesquita.

Thank you, 

Travis

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Ignacio was probably named after a grandparent or greatgrandparent that was surnamed Silva. I have even seen a surname skip even more generations.   I few years ago I wrote about surnames in a post about the Ochoa Garbay family surnames.   I will look for it and add it here.

Rick A. Ricci

Ruiz Esparza ancestor relationships in the 1500s

I have been doing major research online from home and my local Family History Center in an effort to ensure a more accurate ancestor tree on Family Search for the Ruiz de Esparza family that originated in the Pamplona, Spain area. I’m aware that back in 2016 there were discussions here about this family, but am sharing my experience in case there may be something new and also, in the hope someone here may be able to assist me with questions I’ve encountered. 

The most challenging issue, my main priority, was correcting the extra generation that resulted from the creation of a record for Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the son of Lope Ruiz Esparaza Espinosa b. 1510 and Maria Caparroso b. 1533. This record presented Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the husband of Anna Maria Díez de Eguino b. 1522 with their child Lope Ruiz de Esparza Diaz b. 1569 (who is the progenitor of the Ruiz de Esparza line in Aguascalientes, Mexico.) Obviously, the son could not have been born before the father and mother

Address Help

Hello, all!

I am hoping to get some help with the address in the following document, please.

page 242, record 5049.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ1-K36

record 5220.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ9-JN3

I can make out house 607.  It's the street name that I can't quite make out.  Calle 44 Hidalgo.

I'm hoping to locate the nearest parish to search for baptismal records for the children of Hilario Lopez and Angela Morales.

Thank you!

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David,

Up until the 1980's - 1990's, Guadalajara was divided into four sectors named Hidalgo, Juárez, Libertad and Reforma. Guadalajara is currently divided into 7 zones. Similarly Calle 44 was probably renamed since I was not able to find it in the current map of Guadalajara.

Best regards,

Austin Pérez

 

help with translation of document

Hello everyone, 

I'm hoping someone can help me translate what this document says. It's about Francisco de Covarrubias married to Isabel de Rodas. I can figure out a couple of things but was hoping someone with more experience could help me figure out what some of the words say. I attached the document. thank you!

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Here you go: 

Francisco de Cobarrubias vecino destas minas parezco ante vuestra merced y digo que por informaciones y recaudos bastantes que en mi poder tengo tengo probado y averiguado ser como en efecto soy natural de la villa de cobarrubias en los Reinos de españa que es en la diocesis y obispado de burgos y hijo legitimo de martin de navarrete y de ysabel hernandez de logroño su legitima muger mis padres y de como fueron casados legitimamente segun orden de la santa madre yglesia de Roma y que durante este matrimonio ubieron por sus hijos legitimos a mi el dho francisco de cobarrubias y a pedro navarrete mi hermano

I, Francisco de Covarrubias, a resident of these mines, appear before your grace and I say that by sufficient information and records that I have in my possession, I have proven and ascertained that I am, as a matter of fact, a native of the town of Covarrubias in the Kingdoms of Spain, which is in the diocese and bishopric of Burgos, and the legitimate son of Martin de Navarrete and of Isabel Hernandez de Logroño, his legitimate wife, my parents, and how they were legitimately married according to the order of the Holy Mother Church of Rome, and that during this marriage, they had as their legitimate children the aforementioned Francisco de Covarrubias and Pedro Navarrete, my brother.

Saludos!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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He says that he is from the town of Covarrubias in the kingdoms of Spain, that’s in the diocese and bishopric of Burgos; he is the legitimate son of Martin de Navarrete and of Isabel Hernandez de Logroño, who, during their marriage, gave birth to him and to his brother, Pedro Navarrete. In the second image, he says he’s married to Isabel de Rodas, daughter of Francisco Solano Calderon and Francisca Jimenez Altamirano, residents of Garciaz, tierra de Trujillo, in the kingdoms of Castilla (Garciaz, Caceres, Extremadura).

 

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Thank you, Manny. I'm trying to get the actual spanish words of the document. For example, I see that it starts with "El señor Francisco de Covarrubias de estas minas" and then I don't know what it says after until it gets to "natural de la villa de Covarrubias" and then I don't know what it says again until it gets to "hijo legitimo de Martin de Navarrete y de Isabel Hernandez de Logroño su legitima mujer mis padres y de como fueron casados ligitimamente de la madre iglesia".thanks again for the help !

Esparza research update?

I posted a comment on the previous topic "Lope Ruiz de Esparza 'el menor' is the 3rd cousin to St. Francisco Javier de Jasso," but since it was from 2016, I'm creating a new topic. I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos with hopes of finding more about the Esparza family that originated in Pamplona, Spain, among other challenges. I ran into Nuestros Ranchos while searching for documentation that verifies what is posted on Family Search. Does someone know whether the book mentioned by Rick A. Ricci in the previous topic has been published. If nothing else, the posts here have given me new resources to investigate. I'm happy to share anything new that I might discover, but there's so much here, I don't know whether I'll find more than what's already been shared.  

My tree created using Family Search is in my folder is at  https://nuestrosranchos.org/lambchop48, but the names and dates, especially in the Esparza branch, change each time I look because of updates and merges completed, often

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Thanks Rick. I wish your book was published, so I'd have a more accurate understanding of the Ruiz De Esparza generations. I must have a duplicate Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici) attached to my tree. I need to locate the correct one! It would be helpful if you could give me the Family Search ID number of that record. Having that might, also, answer other questions. I'm thinking that there may be an extra generation of Lope Ruíz De Esparza on my tree, as it stands.

I read on a post from Nuestros Ranchos that Lope Ruíz De Esparza was NOT married to Ana Maria Diaz de Equino, although they did have a natural son who was the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593. Was he also married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat, or is Family Search correct that the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was the father of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593 was the son of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat? From references I read, it seems he's the son of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was married to Maria Espinosa. The birthdates, mostly estimated with no explanation, don't make sense for this to be the case. There's also the question of children which may be duplicated under both generations.

I'm mostly searching for accurate information on the generations prior 1593. As I mentioned, there's always changes being made on Family Search and many aren't explained or documented. Recently most of the Ruiz Esparza ancestors' names were changed to only Ruiz. I'm aware that in later generations some lines of the family only used Ruiz, but that doesn't make it correct to change the ancestor's name! I just finished correcting the changes using documented sources of the full name, but who knows whether they'll get changed again.   

 

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The men in Lope Ruiz de Esparza were much older for many generations and that is why it seems that someone is missing in the lines, but that isn’t so.  The proof is in the legal documents that were left regarding inheritances and transfers of property.    What I put in my post is accurate except for the part about the captain Andres being his brother.  Capitan Andres was not a brother, not even a first cousin.   He was a relative from another town not too far. 

I repeat that there is not an extra generation!

The lineage that I provide is based on research and not made up.   The mistake is in the familysearch line where they don’t have the mother as Maria Espinoza.  

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you, Rick, for confirming my suspicion that there was NOT an extra generation of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. I'm gathering the documentation to support the merge and changes I need to do in Family Search in order to correct this error and, if it's not too much trouble, have a few additional questions.

  1. You mentioned that Family Search had posted Martin's third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Either that has been corrected, or the Martin Ruiz De Esparza Huichi LRS8-DZ4 that I have on my family tree is a different record. This record shows Martin's two wives; Augustina Landeros GQ7N-XSW and  Maria Espinoza G36H-DWH b. 1490. Lope Ruiz de Esparza Espinoza GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 is the son of Martin and Maria Espinoza. Other children include Isabel, Pedro and Maria. Is this correct?
     
  2. Am I correct that Lope Ruiz Esparza (Espinosa) GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 had two wives; Maria de Caparroso Cruzat GBCP-4HH b.1533 & Isabel De Azcarraga y Leache GBZ9-XKX and a relationship with Ana Maria Diaz de Equino GV59-48W b. 1522, but they were NOT married? Lope Ruiz Esparza LRS3-71L b.1569 was the son of Lope & Ana Maria Diaz Equino.
     
  3. Who were the siblings of Lope Ruiz Esparza LRS3-71L b. 1569, son of Lope & Ana Maria Diaz Equino? 
    The record shows: Andres G1RX-61V b. 1542, Francisco LRM4-DZY b. 1576 & Pedro. There is no documentation, or explanation for Pedro, so I suspect that this entry is a duplicate of a Pedro who is the son of Lope & his wife Maria de Caparroso Cruzat.

    You mentioned that Andres was not the brother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Jr., but there is documentation for Andres that says "ANDRES RUÍZ DE ESPARZA DÍAZ, hijo de LOPE RUÍZ DE ESPARZA, natural de Pamplona; de edad de treinta e tres años”, 1575, “Relación de la gente para conquistar Costa Rica”. Consejo de Indias, Archivo General de Indias, Sevilla, España." I'm still trying to locate the reference document at http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/121720?nm

    Then there's Francisco Ruiz de Esparza Diaz LRM4-DZY b. 1576. Do you know anything about a Francisco? I tried searching in Nuestros Ranchos and only find a Francisco b. 1828 mentioned. The only Reason for the creation of this record is GEDCOM data, so that doesn't prove anything. It just means that this person is entered in someone's family tree at another genealogy site. There's a flag on this record that says "The child's birth year is listed as occurring after the mother turned 52 which is normally after child bearing years." The question is whether 1522 is the correct birth year for Ana Maria Diaz Equino? The Reason stated for the birth year is "Considerando que tenía 20 años cuando nació su hijo Andrés." In otherwords, it's a guess. Ana Maria could have been as young as 16 when she had Andres (if Andres is correctly identified as her child) and not over child bearing age to have been the mother of Francisco. 

Before making any of the Family Search changes that appear to be necessary, I'll be spending time at my local Family History Center in attempt to locate records that may answer some of my questions. If I find anything new, I will definitely share my discoveries on Nuestros Ranchos. Thank you for any information you can offer to answer my questions. My intent is to confirm that the information about my ancestors that I post and include in my tree is accurate.

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Hello Dana and welcome to nuestrosranchos,


The answer is that my book isn’t published yet.  And the answer to your other question about the Ruiz de Esparza ancestry on familysearch is that most of what they put is straight out of what I wrote here.  But they have a big mistake as they put a wrong wife in The lineage.   The wifes are the ones that I have posted here on nuestrosranchos.

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

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3). Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici), señor del palacio de Esparza (Galar), vecino de Pamplona and Maria de Espinosa (Spinosa) are the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza.   On familysearch I see that they wrongly post Martins third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza  Sr.  The mistake that I had put in my previous post was when I added Mariano Gonzalez Leal’s mistake that Capitan Andres Ruiz de Esparza (b.1542) was a brother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Jr.   He is related but  not a brother. 

Rick A. Ricci

New Member - Rubalcava, Esparza

Hello! My name is Dana and I’m looking forward to learning more, and helping others to learn more about their ancestors. Back in the 1980s I learned how to create a genealogy chart when I took a Cultural Anthropology course in college. That started me on my genealogy research journey. The first step was adding extended family. There was no Internet, or simple way to gather the information, so I started the old- fashioned way by writing for copies of vital records, like birth, death and marriage and contacting family members. I especially focused on the older generations who I knew may not be with us for long. They shared treasured stories and photos.

Over the years I expanded my family tree, but I wanted to know more than just the names and dates. My goal was, and is, to understand the historical context of the locations and gain insight into the culture and migration of my ancestors from Spain, to Mexico, Arizona and Southern California where I was born. Internet opened the realm of