Hi everyone! I have a rather specific question. I am having an insight at my third great grandfather (i hope that's right) because I found that he was born out of wedlock in 1806. The registry literally says "legitimate son (I mean) illegitimate son of...", which is not only hilarious but puzzling. Two years later, in 1808, his parents did get married, however, I didn't find any dispensa, AND the registry does say the mother was a maiden. So I wonder what could've happened. Has anyone come across something similar? I'm guessing if they maybe kept it a secret? Also both parents are rather old; the father was 40 and a widow, and the mother was 30, never married. Being a small town in Nochistlán, it seems a bit off. Thanks in advance for your theories!

Hola prim@s,

This is a group of documents regarding some lands belonging to Andrea Gonzalez Bermejo, wife of Cristobal Barburen, of Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S93-C?i=191&cat=…

The lands were originally granted to Martin Navarro in October 1575 (image 209 btm right); he signed them over to his yerno, Benito de Yslas, as part of the dowry of his daughter, Juana Navarro (image 210 right). She in turn, (beginning on image 195) donated them to Antonio Gonzalez de Rubalcava and to Antonio de Bastidas, husbands of her granddaughters, Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Lozano, respectively, who were daughters of her daughter, Petronila de Yslas, married to Pedro Lozano. The donations were made in 1630, so Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Locano could have been born as late as 1618; you can do the math to figure out the approximate ages of everyone else involved. 
Tantalizing, ain’t it? While it can’t be said with complete certainty that the Martin Navarro spoken of is the same who was married to Petronila de Moctezuma, or that this Benito de Yslas is the same who was father of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas, the names, places, and dates do appear to match up (on image 210, bottom left, there is even mention of a Francisco Gonzalez and his wife, Maria ? de Yslas, who could be the natural daughter of Benito de Yslas and mestiza half-sister of Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Yslas …). And at least we now know more about the Juana Navarro who died in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651.
What do you think? 
Thanks to Valentina Veor, who shared this document at Rose Wischnewsky’s Descendants of Petronila de Moctezuma Facebook group.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo 
 

Good day,

I trust all are well.  I am searching for the parents of Magdalena Velasco,

Wife of Joseph de Aceves Fernández y Becerra

Mother of Nicolás Aceves y Ruiz de Velasco

(1682 • Ayo El Chico, Jalisco)

Online suggestions indicate her parents were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de los Ángeles Ruiz de Haro y Velasco.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to sources to aid in my research?

Un cordial saludo,

Sandra Garza Aceves

In the book, "Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales" I am seeing the term "Moco" and "Moca" throughout and wondering if that is a misspelling of "mozo" and "moza"?  For example, here is an entry from page 104:

Maria Yniguez de Estrada, moca espanola doncella, hija de Lorenzo Mexia . . . (dated 1649 in Nochistlan)

In the 1998 edition of Spanish Colonial Terms (by Ophelia Marquez & Lilian Ramos Navarro Wold), they included the term "Mozo" and "Moza" as follows.  That seems to fit within the context here.  

Does anyone know the referenced term?  Thank you!

There is a list of notarial documents from Zacatecas on this website that were translated by Jaime Holcombe. One referred to a "testamento" in Zacatecas for a Margarita Tinoco. Does anyone know how to obtain or view the actual document online instead of the summary of it? Thanks.

   I am getting stymied with Jose Jesus Najar(b1760), father Manuel, mom Maria Gertrudis, married Maria de los Dolores 1780 Jalostotitlan.  I am finding multiple surnames for the mother and wife.  If anyone can help me keep moving back I would appreciate it.

In this document is my 3rd great grandfather Jose Dolores Jimenez. There is two separate pictures because the document was found on two different pages. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 
 

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Hello everyone, My name is Cynthia Saucedo & I am a descendant of Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe.  I see there are posts on Nuestros Ranchos that are over 10 years old from other descendants of the Saucedo, Udabe, Lopez de la Cerda family line.  If anyone researching this family line is still active on this website I would like to collaborate.  It seems there is a brick wall with the grandparents of Juan Zacharias.  I am researching the Saucedo/Udabe/de la Cerda line from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Christoval Saucedo married Feliciana Udabe López de la Cerda around 1711.  There is no marriage record for them.  I have not been able to find any sources with the names of Christoval Saucedo’s parents nor have I been able to find any siblings of Christoval Saucedo. The parents of Feliciana, his wife, are Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda.  There is no marriage record for them however, their children are listed as legitimate children in each of their marriage records.  I have not been able to find death/burial records for Isidro Udabe or Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda. 

The children of Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda are:

Feliciana Udabe López
b. no baptismal record, born between 1690-1698
m. Christoval Saucedo, no marriage record
d. no record, around 1745

Efigenia Udabe
b. baptized August 14, 1714, Nuestra de los Dolores Teocaltiche, Jalisco
m. April 18, 1738, to Francisco Xavier Lares López
d. no record

Joseph Manuel Udabe López
b.  no record
m. September 10, 1730, to Marcel Ruiz de Esparza Delgado
d. April 8, 1771

Diego Toribio Udabe López
b. no reocrd
m. February 16, 1744 to María Theresa Esparza Delgado
d. no record

Domingo Manuel Udabe López
b. no record
m. February 14, 1773 to Maria Micaela Enríquez
d. no record

Getrudis Udabe López
b. no record
m. April 27, 1733 to Juan Cristobal Chavez
d. no record

Juan Victorino Udabe López
b. no record
m. March 3, 1734 to Juana de Jesús Marin de Penaloza
d. no record

Juan de Santa María Udabe López
b. no record
m. April 21, 1736 to María Antonia Carrillo in Aguascalientes

The children of Christobal Saucedo & Feliciana Udabe Lopez are:

Ana Saucedo Udabe
b. March 31, 1711
m. no record
d. no reocrd

Francisco Antonio Saucedo Udabe
b. October 18, 1713
m. no record
d. no record

Ysidro Caietano Saucedo Udabe
b. September 3, 1715 in Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes
m. May 2, 1751 to Antonia Feliciana Yánez Esqueda in Teocaltiche
d. no record

Santiago Saucedo Udabe 
b. around 1719, no record
m. May 13, 1743 to Manuela de la Asención Rovalcava
d. no record, around 1769
*Looks like Santiago & his sister Juana Maria married into the same family (Rovalcava/Robalcaba)

Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe
b. June 16, 1721
m. October 23, 1748 to Margarita Ruiz Esqueda
d. no record

Juana Maria Saucedo María Saucedo Udabe
b. March 22, 1726
m. August 28, 1743 to Nicolás Timoteo de Rovalcava
d. September 25, 1774 in Calvillo Aguascalientes
*Looks like Juana Maria & his her brother, Santiago married into the same family (Rovalcava/Robalcaba)

José Antonio Saucedo Udabe
b. no record, about 1730
m. January 28, 1761 to Maria de los Dolores López Lozano in Aguascalientes
d. January 20, 1785 in Aguascalientes

Jose Christobal Saucedo Udabe
b. no record, about 1730
m. November 26, 1753 to Maria Margarita Ornelas
d. no record

Joseph Feliciano Saucedo Udabe
b. July 5, 1733
m. April 23, 1758 to Ana María Francisca Villalpando
d. no record

Francisca Saucedo Udabe
b. no record
m. no record
d. April 1798

 

I'm looking for Alvidres in Jalisco. I know of one from Jalisco in 1710 (Nicolas Alvidres) but no others. The surname, however, abounds in Chihuahua and I'd like to find the connexion between Chihuahua and Jalisco (if any) of this family line. (It's also a curiosity to me since Alvidres appears fairly uncommon.) Gracias.