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Gomez Martinez

Hello everyone! I’m very excited to be part of this group and am hoping for assistance in researching my family history.

I am searching for information about my grandfather, who lived and passed away in Los Angeles, California, in 1994. He lived under a different name in the United States, but I have some details about his family of origin in Mexico. His parents were Demetria Gomez and Celestino Martinez from Villa Obregón, Cañadas de Obregón, Mexico. I believe his birth name may have been Ventura Gomez Martinez, although this has not been officially confirmed. He also had a brother named Maximino Martinez. I knew Maximino and his family, but they are not aware of the earlier family history.

I have come across several family surnames in my research, including Martin, Martinez, Barajas, Gomez, and Reynosa. While I have found information on other members of the family, I have located only one record connected to Ventura Martinez.

I am hoping to connect with long-lost relatives or anyone who

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Hello Christy,

 You may also look for your dad’s records with the name Buenaventura Gomez.

The surname Martinez of your family was originally Martin del Campo.   Over the generations it was shortened to Martin.  It only recently was changed to Martinez.  Celestino was baptized Celestino Martin Barajas.   And his father’s surname is Martin.   His father is only given the Martinez surname in the death record of Celestino.
 

There are two Demetria with fathers of the same name but the mothers have different names.   The fathers are not the same person as they have different ancestries.
Your Demetria’s mother is named as Maria Genaro Gutierrez. This is your ancestral line   Cañadas is very close to Valle de Guadalupe  

A Ventura Gomez shows up as a three year old in a census in Valle de Guadalupe     His parents are not named in the census which could  indicate that he was either  a visitor during the census, or being raised by friends or family in Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.

Some of the records from people from el Salto are in , besides Cañadas, Valle de Guadlupe, Tepatitlan, or Jalostotitlan.


Your grandfather’s ancestry can be seen found at https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/GR6V-QPX

Good luck,

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Rick!!!

Thank you for all this information. It’s definitely been a process navigating through so much, and the learning curve has been frustrating at times. There’s a lot to sort through, but I’m committed to understanding it fully.  You just helped fill in some missing pieces of my puzzle that I can now research further. If this is the person I'm looking for, he would be my beloved grandfather!!! He lived in the USA under a different identity. Different times I understand! 

 

Diego Romo de Vivar

Good day.

I would like to share a summary of the findings Jorge Barba Gómez and I addressed recently regarding Captain Diego Romo de Vivar (see Facebook).

In 2024, we discovered that the parentage attributed to Captain Diego Romo de Vivar for decades was incorrect. A baptismal record from Rielves, dated March 12, 1589, had been erroneously linked to him due to a paleographic error. That record actually identifies a Diego, son of Diego Alonso (written as "Diego Aº") and Catalina Pérez, not Diego Romo. This distinction is further confirmed by the file INQUISICION,1222,Exp.12.

Our latest research confirms that the Captain, while a resident of San Felipe, Guanajuato, the home of his wife’s family, the Rangel Peguero, had a brother named Alonso de la Fuente in 1630 (see Siglo XVIII Asuntos Varios: Morelia. Registros varios 1630). We have verified that he was indeed his brother, not his brother-in-law.

Furthermore, researcher Manny Diez shared a finding indicating that an Alonso de la Fuente

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There are two “Diego Romo” that are first cousins that worked for  their uncle Francisco del Rincon. One of the Diego Romos is the son of Antonio Romo and Ana Arellano and is known as Diego Romo de Arellano.  The second Diego Romo is known as Diego Romo de Vivar.  The lengthier surnames were needed to distinguish between them as they both worked for their uncle when they first came over from Spain. 

We have a record of a Diego Romo that came over from Spain that is identified as the son of Juan Romo and Ana Diaz.  This Diego came over with his brother Luis Romo. I believe that Juan Romo is the brother of Antonio Romo and Francisca del Rincon.  In a lawsuit that I found, Juan Romo is involved in  a lawsuit with another family member over property located where Diego Romo de Vivar and his brother Alonso de la Fuente resided before leaving Spain.  Francisco del Rincon de Vivar, Antonio Romo, and Juan Romo were sons of Juan Luis del Rincon and Maria Romo.  The de Vivar comes from Maria Romo.  Ana Diaz may also have the De Vivar surname in her ancestry as many family members in that area commonly used  both Diaz and Diaz de Vivar.  



The parents of Juan Luis del Rincon are Juan de Fuentes and Ynes del Rincon. This means that the paternal grandparents of Francisco del Rincon, Antonio Romo, and Juan Romo are Juan de Fuentes and Ynes del Rincon. Juan de Fuentes was also known as Juan Rico Romo before he took the surname “de Fuentes” from the “villa de la Fuente” that he resided at. That is where Diego Romo de Vivar’s brother, Alonso de la Fuente, gets his surname from. 

Going back to Juan Romo, son of Juan Luis del Rincon, grandson of Juan Fuentes, brings us back to how common the name “Juan” is in this family.  Juan de Fuentes (aka Juan Rico y Romo) is the grandson on his father’s side of Juan Martin Rico, and on his mother’s side, grandson of another Juan Romo.


I have pieces of a puzzle that when placed together point to Diego Romo de Vivar being the same Diego Romo that is the son of Juan Romo and Ana Diaz. The given is that Diego Romo de Vivar is a son of a sibling of Francisco del Rincon and Antonio Romo. 

Juan Romo is the only other sibling known by me at this moment,  If Juan Romo is the only other sibling then he has to be the father of Diego Romo de Vivar.  If Diego Romo, son of Juan Romo and Ana Diaz, is the same person as Diego Romo de Vivar, then he has at least two brothers that came over from Spain to what we now know as Mexico. If we find any more documents with those two brothers, Alonso de la Fuente, and Luis Romo, we may be able to find iron clad evidence of who their parents are.

I am still looking for more pieces of the puzzle to confirm this analysis, and it may be premature to post this conclusion, but I am hoping others join in the research to prove or disprove the hypothesis that Diego Romo de Vivar is the same person as Diego Romo, son of Juan Romo.


Rick A. Ricci

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Diego Romo de Vivar is identified as a first cousin to Diego Romo de Arellano and that their uncle is Francisco Rincon Romo.  Through other documents we have identified Francisco del Rincon Romo as the son of Juan Luis del Rincon and Maria Romo.  These documents also reveal the parents, grandparents and great grandparents of Jose Luis del Rincon.I have the documents verifying this information.   

”En su testamento, Diego Romo de Arellano afirmó que "cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”, a quien “le prestó un negro que Diego Romo de Vivar vendió a Hernando de Bustillos" (el Capitán Hernando de Bustillos era, en 1634, el dueño de la Hacienda de Canutillo, en la jurisdicción del Real del Parral). El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667, habiendo sido testigos de su otorgamiento los Padres Predicadores Fray Diego Illanes y Fray Pedro Gómez, Vicario. En una actuación realizada el 30 de octubre de 1620, y atestiguando sobre la soltería de Diego Chavero, Diego Romo de Arellano manifestó ser a la sazón vecino de Alfajayuca, provincia de Jilotepec, en el actual estado de Méjico, tratante en ganado cabrío y de yeguas.”

Rick A. Ricci

 

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Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.  Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar.  The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon Ortega as his  “tio”.   Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and a first cousin, Diego Romo de Arellano, are sons of siblings of their tio Francisco Ricon y Romo de Vivar.

"cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”

1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo
1B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of 2B)2B)-  Maria Romo  m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).]
1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married Ynes del Rincon. Daughter of  Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”.2C) Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro.  This naming practice,  or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes.
1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + (2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar2D)- Diego Perez who is  married to Ana Diaz de Vivar.
1E)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of a sibling of Francisco]2E)  Diego Perez de Vivar (aka Diego de Vivar) married to Maria Romo, 
1F)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega.                                       Notes: Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and Diego Romo y Arellano. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as “tio” of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar .   The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon as his  “tio”.2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar + Juan Luis Rincon  
      [ [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos :    1F) Francisco Rincon de Vivar, 2G) Antonio Romo, y “hermano X” (padre/madre de Diego Romo e Vivar).]

 
2G)- Antonio Romo married Ana de Arellano

 
2H)- Diego Romo de Arellano  [primo hermano de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. ["cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”.] [Alonso Fuentes is identified as a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.]

 

testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano:

El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667

Prueba: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13G6-S?lang=en&i=…
 


Rick A. Ricci

Book: Mygenes2000

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2H)- same as (1F) Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar

1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo
1B)- Pedro Rico + (2B)- Maria Romo 2B)-  Maria Romo  m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).]
1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married twice. His second marriage Ynes del Rincon daughter of Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”.2C)- Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro.  This naming practice,  or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is a brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes  (Erik Reynoso provided the information that he and Juan Fuentes are brothers)
1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + Maria Romo de Vivar            [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos :                                      (1F)Francisco Rincon de Vivar, (2G) Antonio Romo, and [(1E) Sibling X)], (parent of Diego Romo de Vivar).]2D)- Diego Perez who is  married to Ana Diaz de Vivar.
1E)- “Sibling X”                                               Francisco Rincon de Vivar and Antonio Romo  are identified as uncles of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of “Sibling X Romo].2E)  Diego Perez de Vivar (aka Diego de Vivar) married to Maria Romo,
1F)- Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar            

 

[Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos :                                      (1F)Francisco Rincon de Vivar, (2G) Antonio Romo, and [ (Sibling X), parent of Diego Romo de Vivar).].      [Francisco Rincon de Vivar and Antonio Romo  are identified as uncles of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of “Sibling X”.]


 
2G)- “Sibling X Romo”             [same as (1E)                                  
Notes:    Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar  and Diego Romo y Arellano.].     [Francisco Rincon de Vivar identified as “tio” of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar .   The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon as his  “tio”

2H)- Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar                    

Notes :     Diego Romo de Arellano  es primo hermano de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. ["cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”.] [Alonso Fuentes is identified as a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.

Evidence:  testamenta de Diego Romo de Arellano, primo hermano of Cap.Diego Romo de Vivar. No se sabe si es por el padre o La madre de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.  Si se sabe que tio de estos primos es Francisco Rincon de Vivar, hermano del padre de Diego Romo de Arellano, Antonio Romo casado con Ana Arellano.

El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13G6-S?lang=en&i=…

By Rick A. Ricci

Book: Mygenes2000

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1)- Juan Martín Rico and Marina GómezNotes: [Marina is sister of the escudero Juan Gómez]
2)- Pedro Rico and María RomoNotes: (Maria Romo is the daughter of Juan Romo)  [Pedro's sister, Catalina Alonso, was married to Pablo Romo who is brother to Juan Romo]
3)-  Diego Pérez and Inés GómezNotes: [ Diego is a brother of Juan de Fuentes] Juan de Fuentes marries as his second wife Ynes del Rincon, the daughter of Isabel Fernandez, and her husband Pedro Hernandez del Rincon]
4)-  Catalina Pérez and Diego Alonso (Fernández) 
5)- Diego Alonso PérezNotes: [Diego Alonso Perez is a second cousin to (1a) Juan Luis Rincon who marries Maria Romo de Vivar. ]

 
Notes: (1)Juan Luis Rincon and Maria Romo de Vivar are the parents of (2b)  Francisco Rincon de Vivar.

 
Notes: (2b) Francisco Rincon de Vivar   + Maria de Ortega.   [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.]

 
Notes: 3c) Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.  Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Romo de Vivar. The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar,  is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon as his  “tio”.

By Rick A. Ricci, book Mygenes2000

1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo
1B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of 2B)2B)-  Maria Romo  m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).]
1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married as his second wife,Ynes del Rincon. Daughter o Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”.2C) Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [ Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro.  This naming practice,  or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is the brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes.
1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon +  Maria Romo de Vivar 2D)- Diego Perez who is  married to Ana Diaz de Vivar.  Diego is listed as uncle to Juan Luis Rincon because Diego is a brother of Juan Fuentes.  
1E)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar   + Maria de Ortega.    [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of a sibling of Francisco]Notes:  [ [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos :    1F) Francisco Rincon de Vivar, 3E)- Antonio Romo, y 4E)- hermano X” (padre/madre de Diego Romo e Vivar).
1F)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega.                                       Notes:  Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.  Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle to Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar..   The son of the Capitan, also named  Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that  identifies Pedro Rincon as his  “tio”.3E)- Antonio Romo married Ana de Arellano
      

 
3F)-  Diego Romo de Arellano  [primo hermano de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. ]       ["cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”.] [Alonso Fuentes is identified as a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.]

 
 


El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667
 

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Hello Erik and Manny,

I went back and reread your statement that:

                   “Diego Pérez (husband of Inés Gómez) was the brother of Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón.”. 

 I did not have that information. Another tangle in this family web.  

Thanks again Erik for your excellent work,

and thank you Manny for finding the information that Alonso de Fuentes is a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.   It drove me to do more research which added many puzzle pieces.


Rick A. Ricci

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Romo lineage from Juan Romo to Pedro Rincon Ortega, uncle of Diego Romo de Vivar:

1A )- Juan Romo2A)- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez
1B)- Maria Romo + Pedro Rico [son of (2A)- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez].2B)-  Pedro Rico + (1B)- Maria Romo [daughter of (1a) Juan Romo].
1C)- ) Juan de Fuentes.  The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”. Juan Fuentes marries Ynes del Ricon, daughter of Isabel Hernandez + Pedro Hernandez del Rincon2C)- Diego Pérez and Inés Gómez.       (Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro.  This naming practice, or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s)
1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + Maria Romo de Vivar2D)- Catalina Pérez and Diego Alonso (Fernández)  
1E)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar   + Maria de Ortega  [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as  “Tio de los hermanos Diego Romo de Vivar y Alfonso Fuentes]2E)- Diego Alonso Pérez.   [This is the cousin whose baptismal record is mistakenly claimed to be of Diego Romo de Vivar.]
1F)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega.                                 [The Diego Romo de Vivar that identifies Pedro Rincon as his tio is son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar.]Pedro Rincon de y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as as uncle to Antonio Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar is the son of one of Francisco’s siblings.
  

 

By Rick A. Ricci, book Mygenes2000

 

We can take this to mean that Diego Romo de Vivar descends from Juan Luis Rincon and Maria Romo de Vivar.  They are his grandparents.    That is a fact given the documents that we have on hand at this moment. They clearly provide the pieces to state this lineage.  What is lacking is one step in the lineage as we don’t know the identity of the parents of Diego, only that one of them is a child of Juan Luis del Rincon and Maria Romo.  
 

There are many marriages among the family, first, second, and third cousins marrying. What limits the possibilities is that we know who his grandparents are, and who his brother is, Alonso Fuentes (del Fuentes)


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Additional clues to research to help find the parents of Diego Romo de Vivar:

1)- Alonso Diaz and Maria Romo are the parents of

2)- Juan Romo who married Maria Diaz (daughter of Juan Alonso El Viejo and Ana Diaz).

3)- Pedro Romo who traveled to new Spain in 1594

 
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/134529?nm

Here is a record of a Diego Romo crossing the Atlantic Ocean as a criado of his brother Luis Romo Diaz (Daza).   Diego and Luis are the sons of Juan Romo y Ana Díaz de Agüero.  

This Diego Romo could be the same person as Diego Romo de Vivar.

I don’t know if ther parents of Pedro Romo (Juan Romo and Maria Diaz) are the same people as  Juan Romo and Ana Diaz de Aguero who are the parents of Diego Romo and Luis Romo.

There is still a lot more research, reading of documents, to find out exactly how Diego Romo de Vivar is a nephew of Pedro Rincon y Ortega.

Book Mygenes2000

Rick A. Ricci

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Saludos Eric,

After researching the subject, I discovered that you were correct in your original statement that Diego Romo de Vivar and Alonso Fuentes are brothers.  After reading documents that identify Juan Luis Ricon’s brother’s genealogical tree I am convinced, and I no longer doubt that they are brothers. 

Juan Fuentes had a first marriage prior to his marriage to Ynes del Rincon

Thanks again for all your work Erik,

Rick A. Ricci

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Saludos Erik,

Here is a legal battle between two family members that are in that document that you provided Erik.  
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/find?nm=&texto=Diego+romo+de+palacios+


Pleito entre Diego Alonso Fernández, vecino de Madrid (Madrid), contra Diego Romo de Palacios, vecino de Fuensalida (Toledo), sobre la tenuta y posesión de los memorías y obras pías que fundó Luis Gómez.

I believe that Luis Gomez is ancestor to Maria Gomez.

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https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/134529?nm

Here is a record of a Diego Romo crossing the Atlantic Ocean as a criado of his brother Luis Romo Diaz (Daza).   Diego and Luis are the sons of Juan Romo y Ana Díaz de Agüero.

What is interesting about the next line is tha JUan Romo’s father is not surnamed Romo, his mother is the Romo:

On more than one occasion I have found someone surnamed Diaz to later find them with the longer surname Diaz de Vivar.


Alonso Diaz and Maria Romo are the parents of

Juan Romo who married Maria Diaz (daughter of Juan Alonso El Viejo and Ana Diaz).

They are the parents of Pedro Romo who traveled to new Spain in 1594

the area where Pedro Romo is from is part of Rielves , Toledo
 https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/2MS7-VRX

Pedro is most likely a cousin of Diego Romo and Luis Romo.

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Hello Erik,

Here are some more documents that may provide more puzzle pieces:


Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado, natural de San Juan del Puerto (Huelva), pretendiente a familiar del Tribunal de la Inquisición de México, y de su mujer María Romo, natural de Rielves (Toledo)

S supplied title:

Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado y de María Romo, su mujer

reference number:

INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38

date of formation:

1628

level of description:

Unidad Documental Compuesta_en

reference code:

ES.28079.AHN//INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/1551676?nm

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Pedro Perez 1569

Expediente de concesión de licencia para pasar a Nueva España a favor de Pedro Pérez, vecino de Rielves, que va a México, donde están sus primos Luis del Rincón y Alonso Romo  Mateo Romo

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/438983

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Proceso criminal de Alonso Romo, familiar del santo oficio, natural y vecino de Portillo de Toledo, a instacia de Henán González, vecino de Fuensalida, por dar puñaladas

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/3685155/imprimir

supplied title:

Proceso criminal de Alonso Romo

reference number:

INQUISICIÓN,2088,Exp.4

date of formation:

1562

level of description:

Unidad Documental Compuesta_en

reference code:

ES.28079.AHN//INQUISICIÓN,2088,Exp.4

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Saludos Erik,

Hello Erik,

I applaud your focus on the De Vivar (de Bibar) family as most other searches have focused primarily on the Romo surname.  And most searches have focused on the name Diego Romo, as the name Diego is repeated often in each family in Spain, and the name Diego Romo de Vivar is repeated in Nueva Galicia. But the name Pedro is also repeatedly found in Spain and Nueva Galicia, which leads me to the following question:

Can you add any information on Pedro de Bibar (de Vivar) and his wife Catalina Romo (daughter of Pedro de Vivar is from Fuensalida that are mentioned in the document you provided?  Is this Pedro de Vivar and Catalina Romo  the same couple that you mentioned earlier. 

Pedro Rincon de Ortega is named as Diego Romo de Vivar’s uncle.   It is most likely that Pedro is a “tio abuelo” as Pedro’s parents are Francisco Rincon de Vivar y Romo and Maria de La Vega. Pedro Rincon’s paternal grandparents are Luis Rincon and Maria Romo. I believe that this Maria Romo the aunt of  Catalina Romo. This is just a guess based on the information on hand.   Catalina Romo is named as a niece of “Maria Romo” and her mother a sister of Maria Romo    I believe that it is possible that Catalina’s father name is de Fuente which would could explain Diego having a brother with the surname de Fuente. Do you have the name of Alonso de La Fuente’s wife to see if they are brothers-in-laws?


This is just an exercise showing how the parts of the puzzle show Pedro Rincon de Ortega as a great uncle of Diego Romo de Vivar:

Pedro Romo cc Maria Gomez (De Vivar) parents of (1a) Maria Romo and (2a) Pedro Romo

1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon2a)-(same as 1a)
1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar   cc Maria de Ortega2b)- Hermana de Francisco Rincon Vivar y Romo cc Señor con El apellido (de La Fuente. )
1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega2C)- Catalina Romo cc Pedro de Vivar (de Fuensalida)
.                                                  
 
2d)- Diego Romo de Vivar.                                                   

 

 


Or 

1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon2a)- hermana de (1a Maria Romo) Cc ? 
1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar   cc Maria de Ortega2b)- Catalina Romo cc Pedro de Vivar (de Fuensalida)
1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega2C)- unknown parents of (2d)
.                                                  
                                                                           
 2d)- Diego Romo de Vivar.                                    

or ?

1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon2a)- 
1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar   cc Maria de Ortega2b)- 
1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega2C)-                                                               
.                                                            
                                                                           
 2d)- Diego. Romo de Vivar.                       


Here are a couple of other possible  leads: Hernando Romo (hijo de Juan Romo y Catalina Sanchez) married to Elena  (hija  de Juan Roman y Catalina).

Hernando Romo and Elena are the parents of another Catalina Romo. Hernando Romo traveled to the “indias” with his wife and daughter in the early 1500’s, (1513 by himself and again with his wife and daughter in 1515).

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5531143?nm

https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5448878?nm

Thanks again for all your research,

Rick A. Ricci

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In many cases where someone is illegitimate someone in the family tries to hide that fact and makes up a different family connection. Many years ago I shared the following information based on a primary source, a will, that clearly identifies  Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer is his father. Fernando Diaz de Alcocer is the grandfather to Jurado “Diego Diaz de Alcocer”.

 No hay dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers, pero si hay dos Diego de Alcocer. Fernando de Alcocer si tuvo un hijo Diego de Alcocer que murio joven. El padre de Jurado Diego de Alcocer es el Doctor Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer.

I find Diego de Alcocer listed as a son to Fernan Diaz de Alcocer as passing away at a young age, way too young to have left descendants.


Later on when the family all of Fernan’s children are recorded in a document you don’t find Diego’s name there because he had already passed away.    The other Diego Alcocer is from an illegitimate relationship that his son the priest had.

The source where I had picked up my information is Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico in his book Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares. My other source was Laura Balletto's citation of the will stating that Diego is Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer’s son and therefore Fernando de Alcocer’s grandchild. According to a will, Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer is his father.

Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer was a priest (Doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla). In this scenario Diego is illegitimate. Real estate deals involve the buyer checking for legal ownership of the seller. Real estate transactions must be written, as oral real estate transactions are not enforceable. Laura Balleto’s citation of the Will shows that chain of ownership from the previous owner, Diego, and how he had acquired it, through an inheritance from his Father Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer who stated in his will that he was leaving it to his son Jurado Diego Alcocer, Our ancestor Diego.
 

Rick A. Ricci
 

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I uploaded the dossier here: Diego Pérez de Vivar | Nuestros Ranchos Site

Images 8 and 9 contain a list of relatives. 

8, at the bottom says: "Tía hermana de su padre de Diego Pérez que murió en Indias es Catalina Pérez, casó con Diego Alonso Fernández, familiar en Rielves..."

9, continues: "...hijo de los dichos de Diego Alonso y Catalina Pérez, Diego Alonso Fernández, familiar en Rielves y de Madrid donde está casado". 

Consequently, the existence of Diego Romo de Vivar Pérez is disproven by these records also. The individual in question is actually Diego Alonso Pérez (Fernández), who served as a Familiar del Santo Oficio like his father and was established and married in Madrid.

Best regards,

Erik

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Thanks again Erik as your last post proves without a doubt that the two Diego’s aren’t the same person.  I did not have that information regarding the Diego being part of the inquisition and that he continued to live in Madrid so I mistakenly thought that maybe it was still possibly our Diego Romo de Vivar.  This hammers the nails into the coffin to that idea.

Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Rick and Austin,

It is a pleasure to reconnect. I am pleased that this has sparked further research, and I hope it leads to new findings.

Regarding the ancestry of Diego Romo de Vivar: we can no longer identify him as the son of Diego Romo and Catalina Pérez. The 1587 baptismal record previously attributed to him actually belongs to Diego Alonso Pérez, son of Diego Alonso (Fernández) and Catalina Pérez (daughter of Diego Pérez and Inés Gómez). Previous researchers mistook Aº (Alonso) for Rº (Romo).

I have developed an extensive family tree that incorporates the ejecutorias de hidalguía of the Vivar family, who were Mozárabes from Toledo, tracing back to the progenitors Rodrigo de Vivar and Juana Gómez de Alarcón. We must proceed carefully; the Romo family relations are exceptionally complex and frequently intersect with the aforementioned lineages. For instance, Diego Pérez (husband of Inés Gómez) was the brother of Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón. As you noted Rick, and I fully agree, Inés was the daughter of Pedro Hernández del Rincón and Isabel Fernández.

As Rick pointed out, both brothers are the offspring of Pedro Rico and María Romo. Pedro Rico was the son of Juan Martín Rico and Marina Gómez (sister of the escudero Juan Gómez). Pedro's sister, Catalina Alonso, was married to Pablo Romo.

María Romo was the daughter of Juan Romo and an unidentified spouse (NN). Juan Romo was the brother of Diego, Alonso, and Pedro Fernández Romo. Witnesses mention these siblings were the first to arrive in Rielves, though their place of origin according to them remains unconfirmed.

Interestingly, Pedro Fernández Romo was the father of Catalina Hernández (also known as Franzesa), who married Pedro de Vivar, a resident of Fuensalida. Pedro de Vivar was the son of Diego de Vivar (a resident of Portillo de Toledo, hidalgo, and descendant of Mozárabes) and Marina Melgarejo. 

Another son of Pedro de Vivar Melgarejo and Catalina Hernández (Romo) was Diego de Vivar Melgarejo. He resided in Griñón (Madrid) before traveling to New Spain, where he eventually died (Sala de Hijodalgo, Caja 1450.0002). This is the same Diego de Vivar Melgarejo located in the Philippines as regidor who, according to the García Carraffa brothers, was a founder of Santa María de los Lagos and one of the earliest residents of Aguascalientes.

Regarding the potential connection between Alonso de la Fuente and Diego Romo de Vivar, whether as biological brothers or through another relation, I remain open-minded. However, I believe we cannot, and must not, exclude the broader intersections of the Fuente, Romo, and Vivar families from the equation. This includes the link to Captain Diego de la Fuente Rincón, as the Rincón de Ortega family were uncles to the Romo de Vivar branch. This connection may exist via the Romo line or through the Rincón lineage as well, which may prove to be a direct part of Diego Romo de Vivar’s true ancestry.

Best regards,

Erik

P.S. I will attach also to Nuestros Ranchos the dossier as Familiar del Santo Oficio of Diego Pérez de Vivar in case it proves to be useful. 

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Thank you very much Erik for your research into the Romo family.  It is with great pleasure that I read your notes on your research as it coincides with my research into the Romo family. No contradictions from my research at all.   The only question that was not in my notes at all was the possible family connection Alonso de La Fuente and Diego Romo.

  I would like to point out that a Diego Alonso was a neighbor in conflict with Diego el Romo so maybe researching the conflict between them may possibly disclose a family connection between them.  Or at least identify exactly where they lived. You can find the document in PARES.

And don’t forget to keep an eye out for Pedro el Romo Velasco as he came over in 1585 and I have a feeling that he is also part of the family tree.  


Thanks again for your research into my Romo family.  

Rick A Ricci
 

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Erik, muchas gracias por compartir estas nuevas gran informaciones. !Estoy muy agradecido por el trabajo de Jorge Barba, Manny Diez y de Usted!

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

 

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Saludos Erik,

When you brought up the issue of saying that you have confirmed brother and not brother in law I immediately thought of a book that I am writing on a famous person whose ancestry has been up for debate for centuries.  

While looking for my ancestors I came across the true ancestry and began researching and writing about his family over 20 years ago.  I had over 200 pages written when someone else wrote a book with a different twist than my ancestry for him.   I was dumbfounded and wondered how all of my research showed a certain ancestry while this other book showed a different ancestry for his mother.  I did even more research and my research confirmed my findings while this other author put out another book where he doubled down on his findings.  And his findings hung on the word “brother”.  It wasn’t until Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez, a genealogist that I greatly admire, made a mistake in putting a family tree together because a brother in law had been called brother, but more research proved that he in fact was a brother in law. A light bulb went off in my head and that is when I figured out why the other author had put together a different family tree. the other author had made the same error.  That person that he mistakenly had as the mother was the mother of his brother in law, the husband of his sister.   So my research on this figure was confirmed by further research, but it took time and more work to clear up the discrepancy.

So when you say that it is confirmed that he is a brother and not a brother in law, I feel the urge to go back and research the tree some more. I feel that it is possible that Alonso de la Fuente may be the husband of Diego Romo’s sister. 

or Alonso de La Fuente is a half brother to Diego Romo de Vivar Perez.   There is a “Alonso de La Fuente” baptized in Santa María Magdalena, Castrillo-Tejeriego, Valladolid, Castilla y León, España on 28/Oct/1581; son of Alonso de La Fuente and Maria Perez.
Thanks again,

Rick A. Ricci

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Thanks for sharing Erik the clarification regarding that baptismal record of Diego.


Diego Romo and Juan Romo are brothers.


Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo that married Pedro Rico.  (Pedro Rico is the son of Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez).

Pedro Rico and Maria Romo are the parents of Juan De Fuentes who married Ynes Fernandez daughter of Isabel Fernandez (Hernandez) and  Pedro Hernandez del Rincon

Juan de Fuentes and Ines del Rincon are the parents of Rafael Rincon 

Going back to Juan Romo’s brother Diego Romo we know that this Diego Romo was also referred to as Diego Romo el Viejo as there was a long string of “Diego Romo”s in the family.  

Diego Romo el Viejo’s son Diego Romo was also known as el moço


Diego Alonso Romo had more children.  In this post I am only identifying two of his sons, Diego Romo el Viejo and Juan Romo. Another son  of Diego Alonso Romo’s also has descent in what is now Los Altos de Jalisco. The reason for only identifying two lines right now is to confirm what Erik Andres Reynoso Marquez stated: that the Romo, Rincon, and Fuentes lines were interconnected.

Here are the names in a table:

2a) Juan Romo.                                                         1a) Diego Romo el Viejo.                                 
2b) Maria Romo + Pedro Rico (son of Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez)1b) Diego Romo el moço
2C) Juan Fuentes + Ynes  del Rincon
.                                                                     
2d) Rafael del Rincon 
 


One of the Diego Romos in the family line was also referred to as “Diego el Romo” and you can find in “PARES” a document where he is accused by the inquisition of saying some “inappropriate words”.   There are a few other documents in PARES that discuss Diego el Romo.  One of them is about him and his neighbor who coincidently is named Diego Alonso.


Diego el Romo, hijo de Diego García el Romo y de Isabel Álvarez.  They are from the Toledo area. 

Viaje a las India’s : Diego el Romo, hijo de Diego García el Romo y de Isabel Álvarez, vecinos de Illescas; y Julián de Illescas, [hijo] de Diego de Illescas y de Inés Álvarez, vecinos de Illescas.  This illescas is in the Toledo area just like Rielves and Fuensalida.


The quote “inappropriate words” is mine and I use it here to not go into detail here about the accusations against him.
 

The Romo research has an important audience in my immediate family as my mothers maiden name is Romo, and the many Romo cousins in my family tree are very close and keep in touch daily through a WhatsApp chat that connects the family members from all over the world   Some are in Milan Italy, a nephew in France, cousins in Toronto Canada, many cousins in Houston, Texas;  Los Angeles, California, Mexico City, Guadalajara, Jalisco; Alaska, Seattle Washington, Bend Oregon, Tepatitlan, Jalisco, and Jalostotitlan Jalisco, and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco, and my Tia Tere Romo Barba in Germany with her husband and daughter. They constantly bombard me with questions regarding the Romo line.

Thanks again Erik for sharing your research, I am on the lookout for your next book. 

Rick A. Ricci

P.S.  while researching the Romo line, be on the lookout for the name “Pedro el Romo de Velasco”. This Pedro El Romo de Velasco came over in 1585

Who is Teresa Salazar (cc Antonio Beloso de Sotomayor)?

At this point, our family is descended from almost every child of Simon Báez (c1630-1659) and Maria de la Cerda (c1633-aft1690).

Our most recently discovered Báez ancestor is Ignacio Báez de la Cerna:

1st generation - Ignacio Báez de la Cerna (c1658-????) cc Juana Gutiérrez de Mendoza (c1661-????)

2nd generation - and then Ignacio and Juana's son, Francisco Báez (c1680-1702) cc  24 Aug 1701 to Catalina/Catharina de Salazer alias Beloso/Veloso, daughter of Antonio Beloso de Sotomayor and Teresa de Salazar, all Espanoles.

But who is Teresa de Salazar?

Sebastian Lopez Ramirez and Luis Lopez Ramirez were not brothers

Many genealogists have Luis Lopez Ramirez and Sebastian Lopez Ramirez as brothers because Jaime Holcombe incorrectly  stated in his cartas that they were brothers.  They have even put this false information on wikitree and stated that it was a fact.  These two men are related through marriage, but they aren't brothers. I won’t go into how they are related by marriage here in order to not confuse the issue as my intent here is to show that they aren't brothers.

Luis Lopez Ramirez is the son of Luis Lopez and Isabel Sanchez.  This Luis Lopez Ramirez is married to Catalina Rubio, daughter of Pedro Hernandez and Maria Rubio.

Sebastian Lopez Ramirez, aka Sebastian Ramirez, is the son of Andres Lopez and Isabel Ramirez, and Sebastian’s wife, Ana de la Cueva aka Ana de la Cueva y Sandoval, is the daughter of Pedro Garcia de la Cueva and Maria Teresa Sandoval (Pedro is the son of Alonso Hernandez de Rebollar and Maria Hernandez de la Cueva).

Andres is the son of Alvaro Lopez and Catalina Lopez.

Al

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I and others have researched primary sources from which we share our findings in WikiTree and in this forum. I understand that errors or incorrect assumptions are made and to that end I welcome and appreciate suggestions for improvements and corrections to information that I provide. I would also like to add that I am indebted to past researchers like Jaime Holcombe who provided the foundation from which we can add to. In regards to the information that you have provided in your post, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide sources (aside from Jorge Barba's book) that confirm the following:

  • Luis López Ramírez is the son of Luis López and Isabel Sánchez.
  • Sebastián Ramírez is the son of Andrés López and Isabel Ramírez.
  • Ana de la Cueva is the daughter of Pedro García de la Cueva and María Teresa de Sandoval.
  • Andrés López, married to Isabel Ramírez, is the son of Álvaro López and Catalina López.
  • Catalina López, wife of Álvaro López, is the daughter of Juan López and Inés López.

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

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Hello Austin,

I haven’t ignored your requests.  I have been working hard, and having success on other projects,  that I am squeezed for time. I will be gathering the information you request and provide it to you by the end of this coming week. 
 

Later I will look for the list I have of four other errors that I have seen on wikitree. I don’t recall right now where I put that list. I made that list when someone else asked me about errors that I had seen on wikitree. 

I do recall that one of the mistakes that is on wikitree is the Sotelo lineage.   You have the wrong Antonio Sotelo.  You have listed the Conquistador Antonio Sotelo. 
The right one is his second cousin that is also named Antonio Sotelo.  Capitan Antonio Sotelo, not the conquistador. Their paternal grandfathers are brothers. You can thank Erik Andres Reynoso Marquez for this find. You can read about the correct lineage in our discussion at http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/24926.   

Part of the ancestry of the Antonio Sotelo (conquistador) that you did have on wikitree is given by me at this same link.  I have more information from my research on this Antonio Sotelo, his siblings, and their battles with the inquisition.  Here are a couple of lines of ancestry of conquistador Antonio Sotelo:


1) Gonzalo López de Ribera m. Teresa Vasquez de Meira
2) Lope López de Ribera m. Maria Afan
3) Ruy (Rodrigo) López de Ribera m. Inés de Sotomayor
4) Per Afán de Ribera “el Viejo” m. Maria Rodríguez Marino (first wife)
5) Esperanza Rodríguez de Ribera m. Lope de Sotelo
6) Pero (Pedro) Sotelo m. Inés Cisneros
7) Conquistador Antonio Sotelo Cisneros

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1)King Alfonso IX de Leon and Aldonza Martins De Silva
2)Rodrigo Alfonso de Leon, Señor de Aliger m. Ines Rodríguez de Cabrera
3)Sancha Alfonso de Leon m. Lope Sánchez Señor de Valenzuela y Jodar
4)Sancho Martinez de Jodar, conquistador del Castillo de Jodar m. Berenguela de Cabrera
5)Juana Rodríguez de Jodar m. Garcia Mendez de Sotomayor
6) Ruy Mendez de Sotomayor
7)Inés de Sotomayor m. Ruy (Rodrigo) López de Ribera
8) Per Afán de Ribera “el Viejo” m. Maria Rodríguez Marino (first wife)
9)Esperanza Rodríguez de Ribera m. Lope de Sotelo.
10) Pero (Pedro) Sotelo m. Inés Cisneros
11)Conquistador Antonio Sotelo Cisneros


Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Indios

Hello everyone!

Can anyone direct me to resources available in print or online, that specifically addresses the Tlaxcalan and Otomi families of Las Lagunas, Buenavista and the Pueblo de Moya?

I purchased and read Mario Gómez Mata's book, INDIOS, but it reads more as an historical narrative of the pueblos - which it is - but not as a genealogical work. 

The majority of our Indio ancestors are Tlaxcala and Otomi and from very specific families: Rhea, Hernández del Aguila, San Joseph, de Luna y Tapia, etc. 

Has anyone compiled the genealogies of the founding and early families of the Pueblos in Lagos de Moreno? 

I'm trying to document our ancestors from Moya and Buenavista, but it's like pulling teeth to trace them prior to 1660 or so, with all the surname changes. 

In one document, someone may be named Pedro de la Cruz and another, he's Pedro Hernándes, and then in a third document, he'll be called, Pedro del Aguila. It's a very tedious process, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here if

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Hello, 

I hate that you took offense from a sincere request for advice when tracing the Indigenous Mexican ancestry of my family.

The title of my post was referencing Carlos Gómez Mata's book "Lagos Indios." I neglected to include the "Lagos" part in my haste.

I also used the term "Indios" when referencing my family's ancestors, because the parish records concerning them, specifically note them as such - without any national affiliation. That was the entire point of my post: determining national identity of colonial-era Indigenous ancestors beyond the casta designation: Indios. (Not referencing any modern population as such.)

On that subject, you mention that "settler colonial records refer only to Indigenous peoples as 'Indios.' " Not entirely, I've found many references to national affiliation in early settler records. In several, our ancestors are referred to as "Otomites" (Otomi). In others I've seen Indigenous people cited and identified as "Chichimeca."

I also read over my post and nowhere did I use the term "Indios" without capitalization, but thank you for the tip. I'll continue using it (except when quoting directly from source material)! 

However, my phone and tablet habitually autocorrect posts and texts, and occasionally I'll even forget to capitalize proper nouns. So, you have my prior permission to correct me upon any occasion you feel compelled to do so. (I only ask that you make all corrections in red color, so they stand out and are easily recognized for what they are. )

Again, one last time: no offense was meant in my post where I was specifically discussing my family's colonial Indigenous ancestry in Mexico.

I sincerely appreciate your reply, and would appreciate any advice you may be able to give in discovering more about our Indigenous roots since you are so committed to and knowledgeable on the matter.

Thanks again, and I look forward to hearing from you. 

Best,

Travis

 

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Hola Travis!

I know that the settler colonial records refer only to Indigenous peoples as "Indios" but this is a very offensive term for many Indigenous peoples or personas Indigenas o de pueblos originarios. Also, Indigenous law experts use the capital I for Indigenous. As we know better, we can do better. May I please ask that you refrain from using the term, "Indio" unless you are citing the language listed in a colonial record. As a person of Indigenous descent on my mother's side (Mexico) and my father's said (Cherokee), I would appreciate it if this space doesn't use offensive terminology when speaking about us. Thank you!  

Origin of Francisco Magdaleno/Madaleno cc Elvira de Mendoza?

Happy New Year To All!,

Did we ever get to the bottom of the origin of Francisco Magdaleno/Madaleno cc Elvira de Mendoza? If not, I may have found another clue in the recently released treasure trove of the Morelia archives:

Petricion de Gonzalo Fernandez de Abrego para recibir herencia de su madre - Beatriz de Talavera. (Morelia - 1602)

In this petition we find out that Gonzalo is the son of Andres Fernandez de Abrego cc Beatriz de Talavera. Furthermore, we have testimony from a couple of interesting witnesses: Francisco Magdaleno, who declares that he's the uncle of Gonzalo. This given that Gonzalo is the son of his sister Beatriz de Talavera!. Furthermore, we have another testimony from Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza who testifies that he's a "primo hermano" to Gonzalo. This would be the same Geronimo who was the son of Francisco cc Elvira de Mendoza. 

I think this is a very interesting clue into the origins of the Magdalenos/Madalenos of Michoacan and Jalisco. In looking for more clues

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After doing some more searching, I found the Header and Footer of the last will and testament of Franciso Madaleno!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKV-DSM1-9?view=fullText&keywords=Madaleno&lang=en&groupId=M9Z2-XDQ

The crazy thing is that it contains the parents of Francisco! I read their names as Gonzalo Fernandez Madaleno and Maria (I think "Gutierrez or Fernandez" in abbreviated form?), "difuntos vecinos que fueron de la Ciudad de Mexico..." As a bonus it also contains confirmation that Diego Madaleno was his brother. With this we now know Francisco's parents as well as two siblings, Diego Madaleno and Beatriz de Talavera!

 

Daniel

 

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Enhorabuena, estimado Daniel!

Qué gratas noticias iniciando el año. Gracias a tu hallazgo, se puede determinar que María es María Hernández, nacida hacia 1508 porque tiene 30 años cuando testifica en el juicio de Beatriz González en 1538: "María Hernández, mujer de Gonzalo Hernández Madaleno, de 30 años"

Esto viene en la tesis doctoral de Da. Nora Olanni Ricalde Alarcón, Mujeres Fundadoras de la Nueva España... (Universidad de Granada. 2023).

Un saludo y nuevamente gracias por tu importante hallazgo.

Erik

 

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Estimado Erik:

Te agradezco sinceramente tus amables palabras y la valiosa información que compartes. Es muy satisfactorio confirmar que el hallazgo coincide con fuentes académicas.

Para mí es un verdadero placer poder compartir este descubrimiento, y confío en que contribuya, aunque sea modestamente, a seguir avanzando en el estudio y esclarecimiento de la historia de esta familia.

Recibe un cordial saludo y mi agradecimiento por tu atención y generosidad al compartir estas referencias.

Daniel

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Daniel, yo también te agradezco por el gran hallazgo. Gracias también a Erik por compartir nuevas informaciones sobre los genearcas de muchos nosotros, Gonzalo Fernández/Hernández Magdaleno y María Hernández.

Les comparto informaciones genealogicas de las cláusulas testamentarias de Francisco Magdaleno incluidos en los autos que nos comparto Daniel.

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

Valladolid, 2 de agosto de 1612: En el nombre de Dios, amén. Sepan cuantos esta carta vieren como yo Francisco Madaleno [Magdaleno], vecino de esta ciudad de Valladolid, provincia de Mechoacan [Michoacán] de la Nueva España, mayordomo que soy de la fábrica y hospital de esta dicha ciudad, hijo legítimo de Gonzalo Fernández Madaleno y de María [¿Hernández?], mis padres difuntos, vecinos que fueron de la ciudad de México, estando enfermo del cuerpo y sano de la voluntad y en mi juicio...

...dejo y nombro por mis albaceas ejecutores de este mi testamento a la dicha doña Elvira de Mendoza, mi mujer, y a Jerónimo Madaleno y al beneficiado José Madaleno, mis hijos, y el doctor don Pedro Diez Barroso, dean de esta catedral, y al licenciado Antonio Jiménez, canónigo de ella...

...nombro por mis legítimos y universales herederos a los dichos mis hijos: doña María de Mendoza, Jerónimo Madaleno de Mendoza, el beneficiado José Madaleno y a la [¿?] Francisca de Santiago, y a la [¿?] Catalina de San Francisco, monjas profesas del convento de Santa Catarina de Sena de esta ciudad...

...siendo testigos Pedro Pantoja de [¿Velasco?], y Diego Madaleno, mi hermano...

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Daniel, 

Thank you for finding and posting. 

After reading your original comment, I remembered we have a Magdaleno ancestor. In my spare time over the past few days, I worked on the line back to Diego Magdaleno and Mariana de Aguirre! Thank you, again.

Best,

Travis

Website Revival Update 2021-2031 Covered!!!

A few years back the website was a crossroads and the future looked dim. The site was down and Rosalinda Ruiz took the bull by the horns and organized the Nuestros Ranchos WorkGroup (Many thanks Rosalinda). Via that group a small group of individuals formed the Tech Group: Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley, Arturo and I but above and beyond the Tech Group was spearheaded by our Elite Webmaster Lee Ingram (Muchisimas!!!). Anyway as a result of the larger Workgroup a fund raising effort was started and with the help of 26 members a total of $776.24 was collected. Since 2021 when the site was revived Lee Ingram has been working tirelessly to get the site up and keep it up to date. During that time Lee had certain expenses with the work and just recently I was able to reimburse him for out of pocket monies spent and to pay forward for the webhosting and domain registration (Lee could explain it better). Anyway this email is to say that the approximate $800 was well spent for the past 4 years as well

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Joseph, thank you for sharing this incredible story, and thank you, all: Joseph, Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley and Arturo for the work and time you placed into this site. I'm happy to contribute monetarily once a means to do so is established.

Best regards,

Travis

Question and translation needed for marriage record of Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo?"

Hello and Happy New Year!

I have a question: when someone is called "criollo" in colonial records it usually implies they are born in Mexico from two Spanish parents, correct?

Is this a hard rule? Why would someone be called both mestizo and criollo in the same record? Because he is the son of one parent who was born in Spain, perhaps?

Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo," probable, but unproven, son of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez (possibly Spanish) and Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza (noted as mestiza in multiple sources), both of Lagos. Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez married June 1, 1668 to Ana Burgeño, daughter of Ysidro de Araujo and Beatris Burgeño alias López, in Santa Maria de los Lagos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5RG-Y

My Spanish isn't proficient enough to understand the entire record - especially the notation in the margin. Would someone please look at it and translate or explain the record for me. This could be a game-changer for

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I have only seen the term 'criollo' used to mean place of birth or origin and not used to signify caste. Of the records that include the term 'criollo' for a person it will also include the person's caste (español, mestizo, indio, mulato.

Saludos,

Austin Pérez

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"...mestiso soltero i criollo de esta villa..."

In this instance, as well as in the other records on the same page, the writer used the word criollo to mean originario (autóctono o nativo de esta villa de Lagos), and not in the usual sense related to the castas colonial that one typically sees in these records.

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Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm a novice to colonial genealogy, and the learning curve is steep. Very appreciative of the assist.

Best,

Travis

Father/Baptism of Manuel de Lizalde-m 19 Feb 1697 at Cuquio (lived Apozol)

One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".

The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9 

While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.

I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.

I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a

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I can’t help you the Lizalde line, but there is something that seems off when you look at the marriages of their daughter Catarina.

 

Is listing Catarine de Lizarde as padres no conocidos in her second marriage an intentional or unintentional error?

Is there a dispensa in the second marriage between Catarina de Lizarde and Jose de Carbajal? 

 

23 Jan 1718

Catarina de Lizarde hija legitima de Manuel de Lizarde y de Maria de Ruvalcaba.

Blas Riuz Nunez hijo legitimo de Diego Ruiz Nunez y de Ana Gonzalez.

 

13 Feb 1736

Catarina de Lizarde hija de padres no conocidos viuda de Blas Ruiz.

Jose de Carbajal hijo de padres no conocidos.

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Don,

Thanks for commenting on the Lizarde/Lizalde family, and the marriage descrepancies. 

I have not come across dispensas for either marriage that Catarina de Lizarde/Lizalde was involved with. I believe the 1736 marriage with Jose de Carabajal stated "diligencias" was necessary, but this could be marriage information, and not a dispensa. Regardless, I have not found dispensas or marriage information records for Catarina. With her 2nd marriage to Joseph de Carabajal, as a widow, parentage was not normally required to be stated. Perhaps listing her parentage was more of a clerical error, then an actual acknowlegment of lack of known parentage.

Here are a few possible reasons for one marriage being "more complete" then the other:

a. Often only one person, frequently the groom, provided the information for the marriage. If he did not know the names of his spouse’s parents, he may have stated they were unknown rather than admitting he did not know.

b. If the marriage was a second marriage for either party, the record might omit the parents' information to focus on the deceased spouse and the validity of the current marriage.

c. If a bride or groom did not appear in person, the information provided by a third party might be incomplete.

d. "Padres No Conocidos": This phrase was used to denote that the parents were not legally or socially acknowledged, regardless of whether the individual knew who they were. 

e. If a person was born out of wedlock, the father was often not listed, or if the mother was unknown or absent, both were omitted.

f. Parish practices changed.  Often a longtime priest, who knew these families well accepted the marriage information provided "as is". If a new priest was assigned to the parish, or the marriage was in a different location, the priest may have required actual paperwork that may no longer have been available, and if could not be provided, listed parentage as unknown. 

Regards,

Lee

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Wesley, 

I have the same brick wall with regard to Manuel Lizalde, and also have found nothing naming his father. The Manuel Lizalde family ties back to my Zermeno family, hence my interest.

A Juan Lopez de Lizalde married Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza on 25 Jan 1585 in Lagos de Moreno. 

This family branch appears to be the same noted in a 1791 land record which discusses an even older 26 August 1602 land record in an area close to present day  "Las Animas" (Current day Yahaulica jurisdiction). 

This Juan Lopez de Lizalde was noted as owning caballerias in the area, and was noted as a Calvary soldier. It is highly likely to be the same Juan Lopez de Lizalde that married in 1585.  Either way, the land record places the Lizalde family in Yahaulica very early on, and presents a good likelihood Manuel Lizalde descends in some manner through this family.

Link: 1791 Land Record Link

Lee

 

 

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Hi Lee,

I'm unfamiliar with Manuel, but our family is descended from this same Juan Lópes de Lizalde and his wife, Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza. Are there any credible sources that prove Juan's parentage? 

So far, nothing I've found is provable, but I'm a beginner to colonial era genealogy. 

Best,

Travis

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For Miguel Lopez de Lizalde and wife Leonor Aberruza, little has been uncovered in typical online genealogy records that are available for searching/viewing via FamilySearch, Ancestry, ..etc.  

Some older records (pre 1600) are only available in person at major historical/genealogical libraries, institutions, private collections (manuscripts).  Fortunately for those of us researching the Lopez de Elizalde families, the following works by some reputable genealogists/historians provide sufficient information to ascertain the lineage of the Lopez de Lizalde family who first appeared in the Lagos de Moreno (Jalisco), and Aguascalientes areas by the 1580's.  

Three credible sources come to mind: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, Jaime Holcombe, and Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

1st Source -  The following from the book: (by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) Retonos de Espana en La Nueva Galicia, Tomo (book) V. Vol. 2 Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983.  I have not obtained the book, but excerpts from the book are noted within some familysearch trees by other Lopez de Lizalde researchers. In Aguascalientes, Don Miguel Lopez de Elizalde provided info to the Mayor Francisco de Pareja y Rivera regarding his noble lineage.  The source is noted as a las Minas y Real de los Ramos document from 24 July 1620.   Pages 441-443 of the Retonos covers the elder Miguel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Leonor Aberruza) and son Juan Lopez de Elizalde family. The book is available for purchase at various book stores.

2nd Source - Jaime Holcombe, Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. The following from the website: Beyond Origins of NM families (website) based on a 1954 book "Origins of New Mexico Families, by Fray Angelico Chavez.  The following is noted with reference to Cristobal de Arellano:
https://groups.google.com/g/genealogia-mexico/c/j0AjjvVADXI
Summary by José Antonio Esquibel
Researchers: Jaime Holcombe (1941-1995, Mexico) and Mariano González Leal.
Source: Chávez, "New Mexico Roots, Ltd.": 116, DM 1698, Aug. 1 (no.2), Santa Fe; Mariano González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983), Charts 5 & 5b, and Vol. II: 328;  Private correspondence from Jaime Holcombe with John B. Colligan.
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Ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano:
The ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano (ONMF: 133), husband of Graciana Romero, was compiled by the prominent Mexican genealogist Jaime Holcombe. Holcombe located the baptismal record of Cristóbal de Arellano, baptized 3 May 1665, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, son of Nicolás de Arellano and Leonor Fernández Becerra. Unexplainably, when Cristóbal sought to marry Graciana Romero (born circa 1680, daughter of Capitán Francisco Romero and doña Francisca Ramírez de Salazar), he named his mother as Leonor Ruiz de Esparza. In the diligencia record for this couple dated 1 August 1698, Santa Fe, Cristóbal gave his age as twenty-four and his birthplace as Aguascalientes. At the time, he was a soldier of the Santa Fe Presidio.
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Jaime Holcombe was able to connect Leonor Fernández Becerra into the genealogical research of another prominent Mexican genealogist, Mariano González Leal, who had published the genealogy of Leonor's parents in a book entitled Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983). The combination of the research of these two genealogists produces a genealogy that extends to the mid-1500s in Nueva Galicia.
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Paternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation: Martín Navarro married with Petronila de Moctezuma, their daughter,
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2nd generation: María de Gabay married with Pedro Fernández de Vaulus, their son,
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3rd generation: Juan Fernández de Vaulus married with Leonor Becerra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra, married/veiled 12 July 1664, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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5th generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.
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Maternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation Toribio Hernández de Arellano married with doña Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, their daughter,
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2nd generation: doña Ana Sánchez de Mendoza married 21 January 1585, Santa María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia (Jalisco, Mexico), with Juan Becerra, their daughter,
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3rd generation: doña Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza married with don Juan López Elizalde y Aberruza, native of Tolosa, Navarra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Becerra married with Juan Fernández de Vaulus y Gabay, their daughter,
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5th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra married with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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6th  generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.

3rd source -  The following from the book: Genealogía de familias e historia del antiguo Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia En Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales. Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias  (Note: A large portion of this book is listed in our Files section under 'Reference Materials').
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Capitulo 81 (Page 236)
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Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originario de Tolusa, Navarra, fue hijo de Miguel Lopez de Elizalde y de Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza fue hija de Juan Becerra y de Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, esta ultima hija de Toribio Hernandez de Arellano y de Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza hija de Inigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quinonez, Marques de Mondejar y de Maria Laso de Mendoza, ambos con sus ascendencias documentadas.

En el archivo historico de aguascalientes se encuentra un documento que menciona a juan lopez de lizalde, hijo de Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, nieto de Miguel Lopez de Lizalde quien obtubo merced como primer poblador, quien vende a nicolas Valli (hijo de Diego Ballin (hijo de Geronimo Ballin y de Francisca de Herrera) y de Francisca de Esparza, esta ultima hija de Salvador de Esparza y Maria de Vielma), Archivo Historico de Aguascalientes, Caja 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.

Asi Mismo en los protocolos de Domingo Hernandez Cordero se encuentra el siguiente documento que menciana: Carta de Venta: "...como yo, Juan Lopez de Lizardi vecino y alcalde ordinario desta villa de Aguascalientes, otorgo que vendo a Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, vecino...unas casas que teno, en que al presente vivo, linde de unos solares de Nicolas Ramirez; asi mismo le vendo una estancia de ganado menor (438 hectareas), con las caballerias de tierra y demas a ello anexo y perteneciente, a media legua poco mas o menos desta villa, que llaman de la barranca, en el rrio del cuisillo.  Donde entra en el, el rrio que llaman morsenique....todo por 200 pesos...testigos: Juan Bautista Conde y Mateo Mazias y Juan de Alvarado, vecinos" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernandez Codero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).

El 25 de Enero de 1585 en Santa Maria de los Lagos casaron Juan Lopez y Leonor Bezehra. Del matrimonio de Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza y de Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza se han documento los siguientes ocho vastagos.

1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada.
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (Married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde 
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)

Rough English Translation:
Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originally from Tolosa, Navarre, was the son of Miguel Lopez de Elizalde and Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza was the daughter of Juan Becerra and Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, the latter being the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, daughter of Iñigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quiñones, Marquis of Mondejar, and Maria Laso de Mendoza, both with documented ancestry.

In the historical archive of Aguascalientes, there is a document that mentions Juan Lopez de Lizalde, son of Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, grandson of Miguel Lopez de Lizalde, who received a land grant as one of the first settlers, and who sells to Nicolas Valli (son of Diego Ballin (son of Geronimo Ballin and Francisca de Herrera) and Francisca de Esparza, the latter being the daughter of Salvador de Esparza and Maria de Vielma), Aguascalientes Historical Archive, Box 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.

Likewise, in the protocols of Domingo Hernandez Cordero, the following document is found: Bill of Sale: "...I, Juan Lopez de Lizardi, resident and ordinary mayor of this town of Aguascalientes, declare that I sell to Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, resident... some houses that I own, in which I currently live, bordering some plots of land belonging to Nicolas Ramirez; I also sell him a ranch for small livestock (438 hectares), with the corresponding land and everything else annexed and belonging to it, about half a league from this town, which is called La Barranca, on the Cuisillo River. Where the river called Morsenique flows into it... all for 200 pesos... witnesses: Juan Bautista Conde, Mateo Mazias, and Juan de Alvarado, residents" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, The Protocols of Rodrigo Hernandez Cordero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).

On January 25, 1585, Juan Lopez and Leonor Bezehra were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos. The following eight children of Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza have been documented:

1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada)
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)

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There is a Catalina Carvajal (Garbaxal) Rivera (Ribera) from that time frame which may be worth investigating. She is the daughter of Francisco Carvajal and Cathalina Ribera

Birth Name
Catalina Carvajal Rivera
Rick A. Ricci

New book/De nobleza inmemorial

I have completed my fourth book, titled De Nobleza Inmemorial, which documents families of proven nobility from Nueva Galicia and New Spain. The work consists of eleven chapters and eight essays on the subject of hidalguía, and will feature a prologue by my friend Jorge Barba Gómez, author of several books of genealogy.

The book will first be available in Spanish on Amazon, with an English edition to follow.

Chapters:

  1. Los Condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América: La rama michoacana de los Gómez Fraile.
  2. El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León.
  3. Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda.
  4. Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano.
  5. Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el nuevo mundo.
  6. Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz al nuevo mundo.
  7. Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del primer imperio mexicano.
  8. Una poderosa unión: los Villavicencio y los Colmenares.
  9. Los Grijalba en la provincia de Colima.
  10. Los Sotelo

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Erik,

That is very cool, will definitely check it out.

Thank you,

Edward

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Great news, Erik! I will surely order a copy!

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Mr. Erick Reynoso, congratulations for your great work on the book, reading it has been thrilling and exquisite, besides the great quality of the print and the book itself, the information that you share has been really interesting in many dimensions. I hope we are yet to see many of your wonderful publications. Best regards.
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Hello Erik,

I am really looking forward to your latest book.  I have looked for it online, but I haven’t been able to find it. Please let us know when it is available to buy.

Thanks again for your excellent work,

Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Rick:

Thank you very much. The book is available on Amazon. I expanded it more so the content is the following:

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Ontología de la nobleza y la hidalguía

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La reconfiguración de la élite en Nueva España

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El control del occidente novohispano: Nueva Galicia y Michoacán

4

El análisis técnico de la probanza

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La ambigüedad de la nobleza: Orfandad probatoria en los linajes de alto perfil

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Los condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América

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El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León 

8

Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda

9

Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano: Los Navarro

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Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el Nuevo Mundo

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Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz a la Nueva Galicia

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Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del Primer Imperio Mexicano

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Un digno enlace: Los Villavicencio y los Colmenares

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Los Grijalba en la Provincia de Colima

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Los Sotelo: Nobleza zamorana en la Nuevo Mundo

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El linaje de los Pardo de Lago en la Nueva España

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Antiguos Linajes y Nuevos Horizontes: La presencia de los Solares de Tejada, Valdeosera y la Divisa del Solar de la Piscina en la Nueva Galicia

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Los parientes del Marqués del Valle: Los de Ávalos Saavedra 

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La nobleza militar de Japón en la Nueva Galicia

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Los Núñez de Soto y los Pantoja: Nobleza Extremeña en La Conquista

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El rompecabezas genealógico: descifrando la sangre del Dr. Ignacio Fernández de Córdova

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La controvertida ascendencia de Juan de Portugal

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Los González Carrillo en Michoacán

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Los Ponce y Somoza desde Monforte de Lemos

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Buscando la verdad: el licenciado Diego Téllez Girón, los Machicao y Marcos Alonso de la Garza

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Los Rentería y los Mújica: los vascos en la empresa indiana

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El rastro de los Lomelín en Nueva España

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Cortés y Alvarado: Conquistadores de Nobleza Inmemorial

 

Inmemorial 2.0: Ética y memoria en la Era de la Inteligencia
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Congratulations Erik on your latest book. I look forward to reading it.   If I were to pick the three lineages that I am looking forward to the most is (1) Lomeli (2) Nuñez de Soto and Pantoja, and (3) your research on Juan de Portugal. 

Thanks again,

Rick