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Concepción L. Corcuera y Palomar

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Concepción Corcuera y Palomar

For a very long time, the beauty and elegance of the Corcuera and Palomar ladies were almost legendary. My grandmother, a Palomar herself, representing la crème de la crème of Mexican high society, was raised in their midst alongside their uncles and cousins, and she often spoke fondly of their many stories.

This is the portrait of Concepción L. Corcuera y Palomar, painted by Philip de László in 1926. She was the first cousin of my third grandfather, José Federico Elías Miguel Palomar y Vizcarra, of the Marquises of Pánuco. (Catalogue | The Catalogue | Loizaga Corcuera de Verea, Concepción, née Concepción Loizaga Corcuera Palomar | The de Laszlo Archive Trust)

Her daughter, Elena, married Carlos Alfonso Mitjans y Fitz-James Stuart, Count of Teba and Baños, and a Grandee of Spain. He was the son of Juan Manuel de Mitjans y Manzanedo (1865–1929; Duke of Santoña, Grandee of Spain, 3rd Marquis of Manzanedo, Gentleman to H.M. the King of Spain, Deputy to the Cortes, and Knight Grand Cross of

The 1610 Padron de Santa Maria de los Lagos

Hello all,

Does anyone know if there is, in fact, a 1610 padrón of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos?

I have read that Santa María de los Lagos by Alfredo Moreno González contains a simple list of inhabitants transcribed from the original 1610 padrón. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy of the book.

Does anyone know more about the 1610 padrón, the original document, or where I might find the info from Moreno González’s book?

Thank you,
Travis

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Good day.

I have a copy of the 1610 manuscript from Santa María de los Lagos. I am currently co-authoring an article on it with Jorge Barba and will gladly share the article as soon as it is finished. The list of residents (67) was made on the 15th of February 1610 by request of regidor Juan de Burgos and certified by Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila, alcalde ordinario.

Best regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez

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Hello Erik,

I’m excited to read your article. Thank you in advance for sharing it!

On the other hand, I’m a little afraid of all the questions—and revisions—it may bring to my family tree! Ha!

As someone relatively new to genealogy, I’m always amazed and impressed by the depth of knowledge and expertise shared by the members of this forum. I feel very fortunate to be part of this community and to have the opportunity to learn from all of you.

Thank you again,

Travis

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Hello Travis,

Anytime! By the way, we are also including an older list from 1570 contained within the same manuscript, which details the "Vecinos de Arriba" in the jurisdiction of Santa María de los Lagos. Given that Santa María de los Lagos was founded in 1563, this 1570 list is among the oldest in existence and includes many ancestors such as Alonso de Alba, Santiago de Pedrosa, the Macías, Álvaro de Ornelas, etc.

Best regards,

Erik

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Travis,

In case you haven't already seen it, here is the link to the padrón for 1669. It is the earliest padrón I've seen for Santa María de los Lagos so far.

Good luck tracking down 1610.

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Thank you for reading my post and replying with your suggestion.

Travis

Seeking copy of Diaz De Leon history as written by Guadalupe Diaz De Leon

I am hoping someone that is still active on here has a copy of the 700 page manuscript by Guadalupe Diaz De Leon on the genealogical history of the Diaz De Leon family. I joined this community after coming across a post discussing the existence of it and (I believe) Felipe Reyes said he had scanned all 700 pages and had it digitally. 

Seeking Donativo List for Don Salvador Muñoz de la Barba (Jalostotitlán / La Ciénega, 1780)

Hello friends,

I hope everyone is doing well. I’m reaching out to the community because I’m working on a historical‑genealogical project that intersects both Los Altos de Jalisco research and American Revolutionary War lineage documentation.

Over the past year, I’ve been in active communication with both the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) and the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) regarding my ancestor:

Don Salvador Manuel Muñoz de la Barba

(Vecino español of Jalostotitlán, Resident of Rancho La Ciénega, Comisario de la Acordada, Documented in 18th‑century parish and notarial records)

As many of you know, Spain supported the American Revolution through the Royal Donativo of 1780, ordered by King Carlos III, requiring heads of household, titled Spaniards, landowners, and Crown officials to contribute funds (typically dos pesos in rural Nueva Galicia).

Recently, the National SAR Lead Genealogist, Travis Franklin, reviewed my ancestor’s dossier. His official response clarified

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Estimado Francisco Javier,

Muchas gracias por tomarse el tiempo de responder a mi publicación sobre el Donativo de Don Salvador Muñoz de la Barba. Vi que apareció su nombre como respuesta, así que quise escribirle directamente.

Estoy investigando a profundidad la familia Muñoz de la Barba en Los Altos de Jalisco, especialmente el periodo de 1760–1800, y recientemente encontré un documento de 1781 donde aparece un Comisario de la Acordada llamado Don Salvador Barba, que podría corresponder a Salvador Manuel Muñoz de la Barba.

Me encantaría colaborar con usted si está interesado. Tengo:

el expediente eclesiástico de 1781,

notas sobre la familia en Jalostotitlán y La Ciénega,

análisis del libro Los Barba de Los Altos de Jalisco,

y otros documentos coloniales relacionados.

Con gusto comparto todo lo que tengo, y me encantaría saber si usted posee información adicional, documentos, o líneas familiares que puedan ayudar a confirmar esta conexión.

Quedo a sus órdenes y con mucho gusto seguimos la conversación.

Atentamente,
Mario Franco

Are Basilio Valdés (m. Catarina Anda Altamirano) & Basilio Valdés (m. Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba) the same person?

I stumbled upon another case where it seems likely two individuals are in actuality the same man...

There appear to be two men named Basilio de Valdés, both born around the same time. However, the available records strongly suggest that they were the same individual.

Basilio de Valdés of Teocaltiche

Pedro de Valdés and Leonor Tejada married on 2 January 1637 in Teocaltiche. Their known children include:

Basilio de Valdés and Catarina de Anda Altamirano have one known child, Magdalena Valdés, who married José Carrillo of Teocaltiche.

Basilio de Valdés and Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba

A Basilio de Valdés also appears later as the husband of Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba.

Inés was born in 1661 and marri

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The 1707 Información Matrimonial (IM) for Magdalena Valdés and Juan Pérez de Ornelas provides additional supporting evidence. It identifies Magdalena as the daughter of Basilio de Valdés and the deceased Catharina de Anda Altamirano, states that Basilio was a resident of Lagos, and identifies Magdalena as the widow of José Carrillo. It also states that Magdalena was originally from Teocaltiche but was then residing in Lagos.

The same IM identifies Juan Pérez de Ornelas as the son of Juan Pérez de Ornelas and Leonor de Ruvalcaba.

Are Sebastián Pérez (m. Isabel de Ávalos) & Sebastián Pérez (m. Leanor Ruvalcaba) the same person?

I’d really appreciate serious researchers’ thoughts on this Sebastián Pérez question.

Having reviewed the reconstructed family trees, baptism and marriage dates, and the various dispensas, it has become increasingly apparent to me that Sebastián Pérez, husband of Isabel de Ávalos, and Sebastián Pérez, husband of Leanor Ruvalcaba, were likely the same individual.

A father-and-son relationship has been proposed for these two men, but the chronology makes that relationship difficult to accept. Based on the estimated birth dates of Sebastián Pérez's sisters, Ana Pérez and María Burgueño, both of whom appear to have been born before 1600 (having children born as early as 1615), the Sebastián Pérez who married Isabel de Ávalos would have been too young to have been the father of all three siblings if the two Sebastiáns were separate generations.

A more plausible explanation is that there was only one Sebastián Pérez. He first married Isabel de Ávalos and, following her death, subsequently

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I have long held the belief that Sebastián Pérez (born ~1600) married to Isabel de Ávalos and Sebastián Pérez married to Leonor González de Ruvalcaba are the same person. We know from various dispensas that the latter Sebastián's sisters were María Burgueño (b. ~1590) and Ana Pérez (b. ~1595) which would support the assumption that Sebastián married twice. Unfortunately, as you said, a supporting document has not yet been found to prove that they are the same person. Similarly, it seems reasonable that the parents of María Burgueño, Ana Pérez and Sebastián are Diego Pérez and Beatriz Burgueño, however, supporting documents have not yet been found to prove this.

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

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Hello Austin,

I'm relatively new to Colonial genealogy and still make mistakes, so I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, and I agree with your take. 

In my own tree, I've merged the two Sebastians, with a note explaining that, while the circumstantial evidence for identifying them as the same person is quite strong, the identification has not been definitively proven.

I have particular interest in this family. We are descended from Juana Burgeño (married to Hernando Medel), Ana Pérez (married to Bartolomé Martín), and, of course, Sebastian Pérez. We also have other Pérez ancestors from Lagos during the same period (1620-1670), some of whom may be connected to the family of Diego Pérez.

 

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Hello Austin, 

The craziest thing happened today...

I was scrolling through 1670s marriage records on FamilySearch when I stumbled upon the marriage record of my 7th great-grandmother. That discovery led to the identity of her parents—and then her grandparents: the infamous philanderer Sebastián Pérez and his wife, Josefa de Casteñeda!

It’s truly a small world (in the 1600s at least).

Thank you,

Travis

 

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Nice!

I too recently located additional information on Sebastián's second marriage to María Garcia, daughter of José García Rodríguez and Margarita Gutiérrez del Castillo.

 

Introduction: Researching Rosales, Dueñas, Saldívar & Valadez (Asientos, AGS / Ojo Caliente & Bimbaletes, ZAC)

Hello Everyone,

My name is Norma  (Username: Normrivmat), and I am very grateful to be accepted into the Nuestros Ranchos community. My research focuses heavily on the border regions of eastern Aguascalientes and southeastern Zacatecas, specifically around Real de Asientos, Ojo Caliente, and Bimbaletes.

My Fully Documented Lineage:

  • Grandmother: M. Leonor Rosales Saldívar (b. May 14, 1908, Real de Asientos, AGS).Her birthday is also known as April 11, 1908 She married J. Rafael Dueñas Valadez on February 9, 1928, at Las Norias de Guadalupe, Bimbaletes, ZAC.
  • Great-Grandparents: Susano Rosales & Ambrosia Saldívar. I have verified their parentage via their March 16, 1895, Marriage Investigation file from Ojo Caliente, ZAC.
  • Great-Great-Grandparents: Genaro Rosales & Dionisia Vázquez. Genaro passed away on April 6, 1906, in Real de Asientos, AGS (calculated birth year ~1846).

What I Am Searching For & Why:

My primary brick wall is finding the parentage of my great-great-grandfather, Genaro Rosales

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Hola Norma,

I have the following genealogy for your Rosales paternal line. Un cordial Saludo!

Austin Pérez

1. Wenceslao Rosales married María de los Dolores Macías on 18 April 1825 in Encarnación. Wenceslao is the son of Matías Rosales and Ambrosia Campos; and María de los Dolores is the daughter of Pablo Macías and Juana García (probably the source of the García last name used in later generations mentioned in Manny's post).

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5SM-8X?cc=1874591&wc=3JZW… : 9 August 2021), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Matrimonios 1778-1830 > image 697 of 840; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

2. Matías Rosales married María de los Dolores Macías about Feb 1817 in Asientos. Their 'información matrimonial' (prenuptial investigation) names Matías as the son of Agustín Rosales and Feliciana Amador; and María de los Dolores is the daughter of Victorino Campos and Luciana Candelas.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZDS-JT8?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 30 September 2020), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información matrimonial 1816-1818 > image 236 of 696; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

3. Agustín Pioquinto Rosales married María Feliciana de Amador on 28 Aug 1777 in Ciénega de Rincón. Agustín is the son of Jerónimo Rosales and María de la Torre; and María Feliciana's parents are unknown as she was registered in her marriage records as 'hija de padres no conocidos'. María Feliciana also used the last name of Castillo.

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JP61-K?cc=1874591&wc=3JHP-7M9%3A171936601%2C171934502%2C172813301 : 17 May 2026), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Información matrimonial 1777-1779 > image 82 of 474; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-J54R-2?cc=1874591&wc=3JHT-BZ9%3A171936601%2C171934502%2C173526701 : 9 August 2021), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Matrimonios 1757-1812 > image 185 of 577; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

4. Jerónimo Rosales married María de la Torre on 3 Feb 1744 in Aguascalientes. Jerónimo is the son of Jerónimo Rosales and Josefa Romo; María is the daughter of Juan de la Torre and María de Luevana.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRW9-TY4?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-SM9%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C70237001 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Información matrimonial 1743-1744 > image 713 of 718; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTDQ-J6Y?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-2P8%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C107332501 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Matrimonios 1736-1750 > image 273 of 522; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

5. Jerónimo Rosales married Josefa Romo on or after Apr 1709 in Aguascalientes. Jerónimo is the son of Francisco Rosales and Josefa García; Josefa is the daughter of Francisco Romo de Vivar and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRD3-21P?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-MNP%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C70018301 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Información matrimonial 1708-1710 > image 204 of 578; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

 

 

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Hola Norma:

According to the baptism records of their children, Genaro was the son of Wenceslao Rosales and Maria Dolores Macias, who were apparently from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. Here is the marriage record of his parents:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684P-9DZ1?lang=en

Maria Dionisia Vazquez also used the surname Garcia (they are the same person; if you notice, on son Buenaventura’s baptism record, she is called Garcia, while on his death registry, she’s called Vazquez). The names of her parents vary in the records (and so do those of Genaro’s parents on the baptism records of twins Juan & Juana). This was a common mistake, especially in towns where the parents' didn't originate. Here are the baptism records I've found for their children:

Barbara Rosales Vasquez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6M8M-CYPZ?lang=en
Twins Juan & Juana Rosales Vasquez: 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6MN4-ZH2M?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6MXB-47T2?lang=en
Magdaleno Rosales Garcia: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6D2C-8MQT?lang=en
Daniel Rosales Garcia: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ7X-4RHD?lang=en
Buenaventura Rosales Garcia (baptism): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZJP-6YXS?lang=en
Buenaventura Rosales Vasquez (death): 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLT3-Z1DX?lang=en

The earliest are in Fresnillo, Zac, so that might be a good place to look for their marriage record.

I hope that helps! Welcome to the group!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

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Hola de nuevo,

Here's the baptism record of Genaro Rosales: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6845-8V6C?lang=en

Baptized 17 Jul 1836, 7 days old; they listed his mother as Maria Dolores Mendez, though they have her parents' names correct. "Mendez" might be a typo, or maybe it's an ancestral surname. 

Saludos!

Manny

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Hello Norma,

Welcome! You joined the right group. There are some incredibly knowledgeable and helpful members here who are always willing to share their experience and answer questions. Glad to have you with us!

Travis

Cargo de Lanzas

While doing research for my upcoming book on the Marquisate of Pánuco, title of my ancestors, I stumbled upon an interesting primary-source entry in the Viceregal Correspondence (Correspondencia de Virreyes, Mexico, 1778) detailing the 1777 "Cargo de Lanzas" for New Spain.

For context, the Cargo de Lanzas (or Servicio de Lanzas) was a direct tax on titled nobility. It originated as an old medieval duty where nobles had to supply armed knights (lances) to the Crown during wartime. In 1631, King Philip IV monetized this military obligation into an annual tax, requiring titled families to pay a set fee to the Real Hacienda to legally maintain their status. By 1773, nobles in the Americas could either pay the annual fee or permanently redeem the tax with a single lump-sum payment.

What makes this specific 1777 record interesting is seeing the roster of New Spain’s top and wealthiest mining magnates and aristocratic estates listed side-by-side settling their accounts with the Royal Treasury

María Rojas de López Portillo

I would like to share this, for the sake of keeping the memory of the ancestors alive. 

The empress Charlotte of Belgium had the kindness to appoint my fifth great-grandmother, María Rojas de López Portillo (wife of Jesús López Portillo y Serrano, state councilor to Emperor Maximilian and his imperial prefect, Governor of Jalisco), as one of her four ladies-in-waiting, alongside the following ladies:

  • Rafaela Pérez-Palacios de Elguero (wife of Hilario de Elguero y Guisasola)
  • Matilde (Romero de) Terreros de Cervantes (wife of Miguel de Cervantes y Estanillo)
  • Refugio Pradel de Adalid (wife of Joaquín de Adalid y Sánchez de Tagle)

The notice was published in "El Diario del Imperio" No. 380 on April 6, 1866, two years after Doña Carlota was crowned Empress of Mexico.

The empress proposed several reforms and outlined various plans to improve the region she governed and the lives of those within it. The titles of ladies-in-waiting were not merely honorary; they also carried out various duties as

Tomás Ortiz de Ayala

Greetings, does anybody here know who were the parents of Captain Tomás Ortiz de Ayala? He was "Justicia mayor de los valles de Tlazazalca y Guaniqueo" and founder of the Ortiz de Ayala family one of the most important families in mexican history. 

I've been researching the Ortiz de Ayala lineage for a long time and this is one of the few questions that I still have left. I haven't found any mentions of Tomas's parents anywhere, but I have some clues as to who his parents might have been: 

1. One of his children, Agustín, used "López de Ayala" as his last name instead of Ortiz or Ayala as most of his siblings did. 

2. He had a son named Juan Pedro who perhaps was his second born male son, this one had a son named Pedro and his grandson had the same name too, these didn't use the "Ortiz" surname only the "Ayala" so they would be referred to in documents as "Pedro de Ayala/Allala".

Another clue is the two names of the just mentioned "Juan Pedro", I had read here about a family that resided

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Good day.

While that is a working hypothesis, it is worth noting that the Ortiz and Ayala surname pairing appears across other 16th-century lineages in New Spain. For instance, Antonio Ortiz de Matienzo (a former Viceroyal Page) was married to Luisa de Ayala in Mexico City by 1555. Besides, as we currently know, the Pantoja family resided in Michoacán as regidores (Pátzcuaro) and there is the marriage of Catalina Ortiz de Ayala with Francisco de Pantoja in Toledo, who in turn, was a sixth grandson of Fernán Pérez Pantoja. Moreoever, in the 16th century there is another Tomás de Ayala in the protocols of Antonio Alonso in 1579 who may be the father of the Tomás de Ayala of Michoacán.

Given the fluidity of 16th-century naming conventions in early New Spain, we must be careful since surname overlap alone cannot establish parentage. Until explicit primary-source documentation (such as a baptismal record, dowry, or marriage velación) is uncovered for Tomás, any proposed connection must be carefully analyzed.

Best regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez