Nuestros Ranchos Site

hi everyone! i live in orem, utah, and although i haven't personally done any family history research before, my dad and grandma have researched my side of the family extensively. so i'm new to all this and i've just started doing the genealogy for my husband's family who are mostly from MASCOTA,JALISCO since no one has even started. i've begun talking to family members, requesting film, marriage, birth and death records, etc, and am hoping to get down there at some point. i would love any other tips you more seasoned veterans of genealogy may have for me to help me along.

the surnames i'm looking for are jimenez, castillo, rodriguez, curiel, hernandez, pena, lopez and diaz. right now, since i've just started, i'm just looking in the late 1800's to early 1900's.

so in behalf of my husband and myself, thanks for your help (in advance!)

lavaniya sutton jimenez
j. gabriel jimenez castillo

My name is Esther A. Herold. I have been doing genealogin research since 1993. I am researching in many states in Mexico for the following surnames:

Coahuila:
Ayala, Arredondo, Robles, Trevino, Gutierrez, Zavala, Zamora, Yrigollen, La Mancha, Ybarra, Elizondo, Gonzalez, Barrera, Rodriguez, Flores de Valdez, Ssanchez Navarro, Navarro, Arriola, de la Cerda, Rivas, Perales, Pinto, Munguia, Urdinola, Garza, Farias, Hernandez, Montemayor, Del Canto, Flores Abrego, La Mancha, Lobo GUerrero

Zecatecas: Zavala, Sepulveda, Trevino, Robles, Elizondo, Ybarra, La Mancha, Munguia, Ayala, Velasco, Banuelos, Urdinola, Garza, Farias
Del Canto, Zaldivar, Onate, La Mancha,

Nuevo Leon:
Ayala, Arredondo, Sepulveda, Garza, Villarreal, Arriola, Elizondo, ANcira, Yslas Palacios, Farias, Garcia, Zaldivar, Trevino, Flores, Ramos Arriola, Yslas Palacios, Barrera, Munguia, Cantu, Fernandez,
Pinto, Rivas, Los Santos, Casas, Rodriguez Montemayor, Montemayor,

San Luis Potosi:
Lobo Guerrero, Pinto, Galvez, Acosta, Los Santos, Ramos Arriola, Zaldivar, Melendez

Guanajuato:
Lobo Guerrero, Acosta,

Welcome.

Albert Daurte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

Can you record the presentations through the PA system? If you can get
me a good clean digital copy of your presentation maybe we can share
with the world via a podcast. what do you think?

joseph

mexicanfhr wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I just wanted to let everyone know, that I will be teaching a class at the Northern Utah Family History Conference & Symposium, in Ogden, Utah on Oct. 7th, the Saturday before the Legado Latino Conference. And I also been asked to be a speaker at the St. George, Ut 2007 Genealogy & Family Heritage Jamboree, in St. George, Utah on Feb 9-10. Both conferences are being sponsored by www.myancestorsfound.com . Both classes with be on Mexican Research. So if anyone will be in the area, please come and enjoy the conferences.
>
>Jonathan

Hello:

During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.

There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.

I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
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El Virreinato I; Origenes y jurisdicciones, y dinamica social de los virreyes; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato II; Expansion y defensa Primera Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato III; Expansion y defensa Segunda Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato IV; Obras Publicas y educacion universitaria; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

Los Conquistadores; Figuras y escrituras; by Jacques Lafaye

Razas, clases sociales y vida politica en el Mexico colonia 1610-1670; by Jonathan I. Israel

Carta Privada de emigrantes a Indias 1540-1616; by Enrique Otte

La nobleza mexicana en la epoca de la Independencia 1780-1826; by Doris M. Ladd

Los señores de Zacatecas; Una aristocracia minera del siglo XVIII novohispano; Prefacio de Francois Chevalier; by Frederique Langue

Pasajeros de Indias; Viajes trasatlánticos en el siglo XVI, by Jose Luis Martines

La formacion de los latifundios en Mexico, Haciendas y sociedad en los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII; by Francois Chevalier

Mineria y sociedad en el Mexico colonial Zacatecas (1546-1700); by P.J. Bakewell

Inquisicion y Sociedad en Mexico 1571-1700; by Solange Alberro
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This are the ones that I´ve been able to find in less than a year or two, I would love to visit the stores in Mexico City because they are much bigger and with a more ample catalog, but in time I will do that.

Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.

Best Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
(this message is without accents to avoid format disturbances)

Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
most often to family members.

Re Romo:
The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.

I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
Romo name, as the letter is quite long.

No. 121 - p. 126
"Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
Mexico, 1.X.1593"

"Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."

Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
and South America.

All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.

Connie

Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA

The name "Marin de Herrera" appears in a marriage dispensation for Tlaltenango. The Prudencio Herrera you are looking for is likely a son of Cayetano Marin de Herrera (the dates match and the surname Marin de Herrera appears to have been a composite name up until the early 1700s).

Look in the GEDCOM database for the last name MARIN DE HERRERA and you will see the entries of his potential father and potential siblings.

His parents should be listed on the marriage record. Have you seen film 0443969 yet to read the entry?

PRUDENCIO MARIN DE ERRERA
Spouse: NICOLAZA PAULA DE ESTRADA Family
Marriage: 19 OCT 1757
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch No. M607141 Film 0443969

How do you know this is the same Prudencio Herrera that married Manuela Estrada? Does it list him as a widower on that record? Where was that couple married and what year?

Sorry. There is no mention of Lt. Miguel Guerrero in The Life & Times of
Pancho Villa.
Jose Aguayo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pancho Villa and Lt. Miguel Guerrero

> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jose Aguayo
>
>>I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
>>too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General
>>Francisco
>>Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
>>consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.
>
> Jose, would your book include any information on the "Tigre de Tijuana"
> Lt. Miguel Guerrero, who died Feb 14, 1914 while fighting the Villistas in
> San
> Miguel el Alto? I'm curious as to his date and place of birth, and
> ancestry, to
> prove or disprove a possible family connection. There was a corrido
> written
> about him, and his remains are buried in Tijuana. I've seen only a brief
> reference
> to Guerrero on someone's blog, and have part of a faded newspaper article
> from
> 1936 that my grandmother saved. Guerrero murdered my grandfather in 1912.
>
> Thank you for your help and time.
>
> Gloria Delgado

Esperanza

the book contains many trees most ROBLES it is not very well organized for
its mostly hand written, send me some names and I will check the book.

Letty

Hola Nathan:
I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General Francisco
Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.
There is indeed a reference to one General Trinidad Rodriguez, but no
listing of his maternal surname in the index. The narrative this 800 plus
page tome lists your possible ancestor four times. He was associated with
Villa from his bandit days before the Revolution. Villa considered him one
of his favorite generals -- as evidence, he adopted Trinidad's son Samuel
after the general was killed late in the Revolution. There is mention in
the book of Manuel Chao and Trinidad Rodriguez's troops being defeated by
General Pascual Orozco at the battle of Santa Rosalia in 1913. Trinidad
Rodriguez was the uncle of Rogelio Rodriguez Saenz whose father owned the
hacienda of El Pichague. The father, for obvious reasons, wanted nothing to
do with the revolution, but Rogelio also joined one of Villa's brigades.
The final mention in the book of General Trinidad Rodriguez is when he heard
that Villa threatened to resign command of the Division del Norte during his
dispute with General Carranza in 1914. When Carranza accepted Villa's
resignation and appointed him Governor of Chihuahua, a disgruntled General
Rodriguez was overheard to say, "I will go into the mountains and live off
roots!" I would bet that this General Rodriguez Saenz was in fact your "tio
abuelo" because Villa would have only allowed the erection of a statue in
his beloved Chihuahua of one of his favorite commanders and trusted friend.
Jose Aguayo
----- Original Message -----
From: "NathanJones"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros

>
> Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with
> Lucifer himself. El diablo.
>
> My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always
> had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't support
> her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.
>
> But when she hears that name her green eyes still glow red with fire.
>
> Ceniceros was the man who killed her father, my grandfather in 1923 in
> Jimenez, Chihuahua.
> He was the principal of the school in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua at the
> time.
>
> And a member of the brand new PRI Party. Perhaps, the first PRI candidate
> to be assasinated.
>
> Grandpa Nicolas found Pancho VIlla's buried treasure, so the story goes.
> And Ceniceros killed him for it.
>
> I don't have all the facts right. But family tradition says Ceniceros was
> released following a general amnesty that freed all prisoners following
> the revolution.
>
> Naturally, the revolutionary period in Chihuahua is of interest to my
> family. I've tried to find sources without much luck.
>
> I cannot corroborate whether General Trinidad Rodriguez was actually my
> mother's uncle as she has always told me. She took me to his mounted
> statue when she showed me Chihuahua as a boy, and told me that was her
> uncle.
>
> As I've mentioned before, there are TWO Generals Trindidad Rodriguez in
> this period, and area.
> General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla is defnitely NOT my relation. The
> other Trini Rodriguez is the one we believe is part of our familia. But I
> can find no direct evidence:(
>
> I would like to piece the puzzle together for my madrecita querida before
> she dies. Tie the Rodriguez family together at last.
>
> Mama lost her father when she was only five years old. Yet she remembers
> him as if she saw him yesterday. Nothing has been able to erase that
> memory from her mind, or that love in her heart.
>
> I recently heard from a cousin that family friends came to my uncle Guerro
> about forty years ago. My mother's older brother by 11 months. They told
> him Ceniceros was in town, there in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. They gave my
> uncle a loaded gun and told him they would go with him to kill him.
>
> But my uncle uncharacteristically said his first responsibility now was
> his own children, not avenging his father.
>
>
>
>

The Diego Bergara posting is in the Tlaltenango Families GEDCOM which I am
compiling from the earliest Tlaltenango marriage film. I can get you a scan
of that entry next time I am looking at the film if you like though I have
been transcribing the entries as best I can.

- Arturo

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From: scooterpie1968
Date: 2006/07/18 Tue AM 12:08:48 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Who posted the GEDCOM file for Diego Bergara?

I have Bergara's in my line from around 1754 to 1789....(Maria Olaya Bergara
born in 1789 to Salvador Bergara and Maria Salvadora Godoy)....

Thanks...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arturo Ramos"

Arturo,
Have you "made the leap," into Spain with your Haro line?
Pat

Where are you on your research of Onate lines. I have only recently tied into the line in the 1500's. We can compare notes on what we know. I got a note from Marge who also ties into the line but I can't find her post online to reply to. I sent moderator my gedcom I think. BUt haven't seen it posted.
THere is one book I need to get that may help us. I do not know it it is avalable.

I still have a lot of documentation to do. IT seems I never get caught up on the documentation and am anxious to keep moving forward on my research.

Esther

Here's some additional information on Moctezuma that you may find
interesting.
http://genealogia.netopia.pt/titulos/tit_show.php?id=14938.
Pat

longsjourney wrote:

>I'm afraid there is no match.... my direct ancestor comes through their daughter Leonarda,
>
> who's daughter, Perfecta Castanon who married Severiano Perez who's parent's Victoriano Perez and Felipa Zamora are my direct ancestors. I've tried to find Perfecta's father Pedro Castanon connection to my line of Castanon's but haven't so far... so our kinship makes us kissing cousins I'm afraid..
>

So close and yet so far. I really wanted a good reason to to go back to
BC as I think that and the Yukon are absolutely fabulous and rugged
placed to visit. Keep researching and who knows but that Pedro Castanon
might be one of yours and I think that would make us related. Time will
tell.

see you prima (hey if nothing else our families knew each other and were
friends back in Mexico).

joseph

>
>Linda in b.c.
>
>ps.. I'm having to cut and paste all my (b) and (n) since I spilled a cup of coffee on my keyboard.. live and learn

Thank you.

You know you can't draw too many inferences from a basic 12 marker test.

My initial 12 marker matches were all with Anglos, which led me to incorrect conclusions.

If you have more marker test results pending, when you get them you will have a better idea of where you stand genetically.

I had matches jumping out of the woodwork the first day my results were posted on Gary Felix's site. One Czech lady in particular says we are an exact match. That completely thru my sister and me. We never anticipated any Slavic ancestry.

She sent me her family tree and both our families attended the same church in San Antonio, Texas two hundred years ago. So maybe there was some hanky panky in the confessional:)

I was a DNA virgin, susceptible to suggestion.

It is a lot to digest in one meal:)

Jovana:

Welcome to the group. I am sure there are people here who would be more than glad to help. We will just need a bit more information. Unfortunately in genealogy physical descriptions of people are not very useful. I suppose what we need to start with is whether you know the name of the town and the approximate date that your granfather was born.

I am pretty certain that the name Viramontes is an alteration of the name Miramontes, which is very common in Zacatecas and I have been able to trace it back to the original immigrant from Spain in the late 1500s, Juan de Miramonte who married Maria de Haro y Saucedo and had several children in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.

If you do not know the exact birthplace of your grandfather and if he immigrated to the US, you can try the Social Security death index. You should be able to get his SSN and then order his application which will list his parents and birthplace...

I think this may be your grandather:

BENJAMIN VIRAMONTES 20 Oct 1901 Sep 1973 90650 (Norwalk, Los Angeles, CA) (none specified) 554-16-1732 California

Give us some more info and we will go from there....

Ernie

I would love to see what Jaime Holcomb complied on Petronila. Have you seen
the book "Moctezuma's Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700"
by Donald E Chipman? It's a good book, I bought it from University of Texas
Press. It can also be purchased through Amazon.com

Rose

>From:
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de Nochistlan
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 9:19:44 -0700
>
>It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were
>not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.
>
>But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
>The descent of Petronila Moctezuma and Martin Navarro down through both of
>their daughters.
>
>The chapter corroborates Petronila's descent from the emperor of the
>Aztecs. Something I've been looking for for years.
>
>I also have Petronila's marriage record as compiled by Jaime Holcombe.
>Further proof of her imperial descent.
>
>I would be gald to email my scans to you so everyone can view this valuable
>material.
>
>And, in hopes that others will contribute what they have and know about
>Petronila Moctezuma.
>My cause celebre!
>

http://www.federacionzacatecana.org

i thought the link above might be helpful should you wish to make contact with recent immigrants from the various towns and ranchos from Zacatecas.

enrique legaspi frias

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