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Muñoz y Martinez de Orozco

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Ventura Muñoz and Rita Martinez de Orozco fathers of Santiago Muñoz married with Andrea Solís.
This two couple were in Villa de Cos, Zacatecas from 1755 to 1815.

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Muñoz y Martinez de Orozco

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Miguel, I know these families and can help you with your research.

Ventura Muñoz

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Thanks for your post. I feel happy. For many years I touhght they were from Mars. Because they suddenly disappear from his parish.
Please tell me something about my family.

Regards.

Ventura and Refugio.

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Are Ventura and Refugio "hermanos o primos". Or they are for different lineage?
Are Rita a sister of Anacleto?

Ventura and Refugio

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Miguel, the relationship is complicated, but Ventura and Refugio are not brother and sister. I believe they may be primos, but cannot yet prove it.

Rita is Anacleto's tia. Her father is my 7th great grandfather

I've been working on this for almost 18 years and have marriage records, baptism records, dispensia's and more for all these families. Everything I have is documented. Ventura is the brother of my 5th great grandfather.

I know Ventura had at least 8 children and I am aware of 3 sons, Joaquin, Santiago, and Joseph. Unless I missed one, you must be a descendant of one of these men.

It's too much to put here. Please contact me directly at rm1jr@yahoo.com if you want to learn more.

Ventura Muñoz

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Thanks. I´m very grateful with you. I´ll write to your e mail.

Pedro Triana, 1800-1882 Juan Aldama, Zacatecas

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Me llamo Victor Eduardo Hernandez Triana de Colonia Hidalgo, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, y estoy formando el árbol genealógico de
mis familias. Me estoy enfocando en el apellido Triana, y los apellidos de el lado de mi madre.

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Triana

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There is a Martin Triana Perez with a picture of a soldier not sure if his is your family of brothers you are looking for.

These records can be located in www.Familysearch.org
278T-3VR this number is to instantly locate the martin or you can type the name birth around 1867 in Auza, Zacatecas married 14 FEB 1885 with first wife. The record has 6 wifes total not sure if they are or how accurate the records are.

There is a Felix Triana KHMN-DJC born abt 1813 married to Encarnacion Estrada. Nothing else in the record started in 2012.

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My name is Victor Eduardo Hernandez Triana Hidalgo Colonia, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and I am forming the family tree of my families. I'm focusing on the surname Triana, and my maternal surnames.

Surnames I've been focusing on are:
San Miguel del Mezquital(Juan Aldama)
Miguel Auza
Sain Alto
Sombrerete
in the state of Zacatecas.

Some clues that I have about the Triana second generation family, two brothers, the
father of the General Martin Guzman Triana, Exiquio Triana, and the father of Colonel Emiliano Gomez Triana, Gregorio Triana were relatives of my grandfather Quirino Triana. It is rumored that they were first cousins. Martin Guzman Triana, Emiliano Gomez Triana, and Cipriano Triana were first cousins, perhaps second cousins to my grandfather Felix Triana Vidaña in someway. Does anyone else know how they are relatives?

I also want to find out is if any of you have more information about who was Pedro Triana, husband of Maria Rudecinda Vitela. Their children were Quirino Triana Vitela, and Maria del Refugio Triana Vitela.

If you are a relative of the Rueda, Bueno, or Magallanes families of Sain Alto, Juan Aldama / Miguel Auza Zacatecas, any information would be appreciated. If you want information about my research of these families, let me know which family and I will provide it.

Here is the list of my descendants in the Triana Family. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/eduardotriana

Triana

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Victor,

I looked on family search and there doesn't seem to really be anything related to this family. maybe they're not indexed in this area yet. you may have to guess when they were born and married and then start to look for their marriage and birth records page by page.

Danny C. Alonso

Informacion Matrimonial

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

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Informacion Matrimonial

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So the bann is the public announcement of the pending marriage (nowadays posted in boards outside the churches, previously probably announced verbally), the license is the permit for the pending marriage, and the contract is the document signed by bride and groom after the marriage. So the Información Matrimonial is more like the license since they get information on the bride and groom in order to see if there is no problem with the pending marriage. The Dispensa would also be a license if there was indeed some problem. The marriage record would be the contract and many times they mention the dates of the bann announcements (usually on 3 different dates before the marriage).
In Mexico sometimes they refer to a divorce as the dissolution of the marriage contract.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Informacion Matrimonial

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Hi Danny,

Even though the IM announces the bride and groom's intention to contract marriage, I would say it's more like a marriage license.

Paige

marriage informacion

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It usually means testimony from both parties and also witnesses. Information as to their marital status: ages, parents' names, if eligible with Catholic previous rite requirements, single status or widow or widower, if they are good Catholics / citizens. Also if and how the prospective bride or groom may be related to each. Witnesses also attest to their status and if they are eligible to marry each other. Often there are "troncos" (pedigree trees) if they are cousins. etc.

Nicolas Garcia Reyes

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I am having a difficult time trying to locate Nicolas Garcia Reyes baptism, I have his matrimonio at Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, 1846-1853, image 667 of 773= In this image it sta

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Adopted?

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Here is a summary of the data we have collected:

Nicolas Garcia is the son of Jose Camilo Garcia (b.1810) and Brigida Reyes (Ruvalcaba) (b.1801) (m.28 Jul 1835)

Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilera is the son of Jose Maria Garcia and Maria Vicenta Aguilar Vocanegra

Maria Vicenta Aguilar Vocanegra is the daughter of Jose Dionicio (Leonicio) Aguilar and Eusebia Vocanegra .

Jose Maria Garcia is the son of Antonio Garcia and Eusebia Martinez according to a baptismal record for Jose Andres Garcia (c. 7/Feb/1816) Aguascalientes

according to another document Jose Maria Garcia is the son of
Jose Bartolo Garcia (Different from your Antonio Garcia above)y Maria Margarita Salas (also different from your Eusebia Martinez above)

Brigida Reyes (aka Brigida Ruvalvaba) (b.1801) is the daughter Jose Antonio Reyes and Josefa Gonzalez-Ruvalcaba Lozano according to a baptismal record. In her marriage record she is the daughter of Ygnacio Ruvalcaba and Josefa Reyes

Jose Antonio Reyes is married to Maria Josefa Gonzalez -Ruvalcaba y Lozano (m.30/Aug/1794) Aguascalientes these may be the parents of Brigida Reyes (Ruvalcaba)

Since we have two different primary sources identifying different paternal grandparents, I am guessing that one couple is the biological parents of Jose Maria Garcia and the second set may have been his adoptive parents. I am theorizing that his parents passed away and he was taken in by family. Just a theory

bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

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Hi Chris, I have documented information on NICOLAS GARCIA and BRIGIDA REYES. Bautismos 1841-1842 IMAGE 351 of 481 Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes. This is where I am having a difficult time trying to decipher the Birth of Nicolas Garcia. En la Villa de Aguascalientes el veinte de Marzo de mil ochocientos cuarenta dos, El Padre Do Monico Rangel de Licentia Parrochi Bautiso Solamnemte y puso los Santo Oleos a MARIA PATRICIA que nacio el dia Diez y Site a las Ocho de La Manana, Barrio el Salite, hija legitima de Camilo Garcia y Brigida Reyes, Abuelos Paternos Jose Maria Garcia y Vicenta Bocanegra, Abuelos Maternos; ANTONIO REYES y JOSEFA LOSANO Padrinos Jose Maria Paredes Y Josefa Bocanegra. You said in your reply that Brigida's father surname was Robalcaba and her mother was Josefa Reyes. Is it possible that you are describing a total different Brigida Reyes. I m still at a loss regarding my gg grandfather, Nicolas Garcia location of his Bautismo. can anybody shed some light to this subject. Garcias Primos

Arturo

Maria Vicenta Aguilar Bocanegra

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Dear Arturo

Jose Maria Garcia is the son of Antonio Garica and Eusebia Martinez
Maria Vicenta Aguilar (aka Vicenta Bocanegra) is the daughter of Leonicio Aguilar and Eusebia Bocanegra.
Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar is the son of Jose Maria Garcia and Maria Vicenta Aguilar Bocanegra

Name Jose Maria Garcia
Gender Male
Wife Maria Vicenta Aguilar
Son Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar
Name Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Jul 1809
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Maria Garcia
Mother's Name Maria Vicenta Aguilar
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMMC-S9T : 12 December 2014), Jose Maria Garcia in entry for Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar, 19 Jul 1809; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,455.

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Jose Antonio Reyes
mentioned in the record of Jose Antonio Reyes and Maria Josefa Gonzalez Lozano
Name Jose Antonio Reyes
Spouse's Name Maria Josefa Gonss. Lozano
Event Date 30 Aug 1794
Event Place El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHP1-D2Z : 14 July 2015), Jose Antonio Reyes and Maria Josefa Gonss., 30 Aug 1794; citing El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,833

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Good luck,
R.A.Ricci

Brigida Reyes/ Abuelos de Camilo Garcia

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Hi R.A. Ricci, appreciate what you are doing. Here what I have on Camilo Garcia Aguilar; Had this particular document for the past 7 years, but have not had much luck breaking through this wall.. BAUTISMOS de CASTAS 1807-1812; Aguascalientes Asuncion de Maria;
Enla Yglesia Parroquial de esta Villa de Aguascalientes el Diez y Nueve del mes de Julio de mil ochocientos y nueve anos. el Presbiterio Don Eufracio Carrillo como teniente del Presbiterio Don Ygnacio Jose Rincon Gallardo Cura Ynterino baptize solamnemte y puse los Santos Oleos y Chrisma a JOSE CAMILO YNDIO, que nacioen esta Villa dia quince del corriente mes Hijo legitimo de Jose Maria Garcia y de Maria Vicenta Aguilar vecinos de esta dicha Villa. Sus Abuelos Paternos Jose Bartolo Garcia (Different from your Antonio Garcia above)y Maria Margarita Salas ( also different from your Eusebia Martinez above) y Maternos Dionicio Aguilar (different first name from your Leonicio above) y Maria Eucebia Vocanegra.

Am I in the right place or am I off the mark? Not the brightest bulb, so if you do not mind could you direct me to the Bautismos where you located the different named Abuelos etc, or is this the document I need? sorry for being a bother, this part of the family has cause me many hours without much progress. As wellas Nicolas Garcia Baitismo. Gracias

Arturo

Gonzalez Ruvalcaba y Lozano and Reyes

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Dear Arturo,

I believe that Chris is right, we are dealing with the same Brigida, and she has Gonzalez Ruvalcaba Lozano and Reyes in her ancestry. Where I disagree with Chris is where she gets the ruvalcaba from. I am only guessing but I think she gets it from the Gonzalez-Ruvalcaba y Lozano of the family from her maternal grandmother.

Jose Dionicio Aguilar is the same person as Leonicio Aguilar. I have often seen Dionicio and Leonicio used interchangeably.

There is however an issue between the abuelo paternos that you name and the ones that I name. They are not the same people.

Please check out the baptismal certificate for Jose Andres Garcia

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8P1-V3F

Image 483 out of 502
Date 7/Feb1816
Aguascalientes

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBGS-VL7?i=482&wc=M6QX-NPD…
Vicenta Aguilar
Gender Female
Husband Jose Maria Garcia
Son Jose Andres Garcia
Name Jose Andres Garcia y Aguilar
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 07 Feb 1816
Event Place Asunción de María, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Jose M'A Garcia
Mother's Name Vicenta Aguilar
CITING THIS RECORD

México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8P1-V3N : 27 July 2015), Vicenta Aguilar in entry for Jose Andres Garcia, 07 Feb 1816; citing Baptism, Asunción de María, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico, parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Your welcome,

R.A. Ricci

Thank You

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Thank You

Different grandparents

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Dear Arturo and Chris,

R.A.Ricci

Gonzalez Rubalcava

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Hi Arturo,

I actually am not taking a position on where the Robalcava name comes from, I'm just reading the record. If it comes from her mother, than one of the records is wrong, but, the Brigida's are definitely the same. The problem is the multiple names. I actually am not sure that all the errors are from the various records, some may come from the family itself. There's too many different names for them to all be mistakes of the priest or the scribe. I'm thinking something else may be going on here. Possibly, Brigida's parentage was not fully known, or came to light at a later date, or some other scenario. Also, now I'm not sure any of these names are correct. It's unusual not to find any records for names in Aguascalientes, which is pretty well indexed. There doesn't appear to be an Antonio Reyes and Josefa Lozano in this time frame or an Ygnacio Robalcava and Josefa Reyes either. Here's a similarly named couple to the Brigida Robalcava record, it's for a Eustaquio Robalcava and Josefa Reyes, both Indios. Eustaquio and Ygnacio, could be confused by the scribe. This couple fits the time frame, perhaps you should look at them:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6MCS-B73

Chris

Jose Andres Garcia

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Hi R.A. Ricci, well if this is true, it puts a different spin on things. My certificate of Camilo Garcia, indicates that he is YNDIO, the question is, Jose Andres and Camilo Garcia are both hijos legitimos of Jose Maria Garcia and Vicenta
Aguilar. However on his Bautismo, dated July 19, 1809, Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes, Bautismos de castas 1807-1812, Image 272 and 273, lists his parents as:

Father: Jose Maria Garcia
Mother: Maria Vicenta Aguilar
Abuelos Paternos: Jose Bartolo Garcia y Maria Margarita Salas
Abuelos Maternos: Jose Dionicio Aguilar y Maria Eucevia Vocanegra

According to your research: Parents of Jose Maria Garcia are:
Antonio Garcia and Eusebia Martinez, info extracted from Bautismo of Jose Andres Garcia, Feb. 7, 1816 Image 483 of 502 Espanol.

The problems are, Camilo is caste as Yndio.
Jose Andres as Espanol
Camilo's Abuelos are Jose Bartolo Garcia y Maria Margarita Salas
as indicated in his bautismo July 19, 1809. This period seems to indicate that the parents of Jose Maria Garcia were Jose bartolo Garcia and Maria Margarita Salas.

Six years after the birth of Camilo Garcia a brother is born, named Jose Andres Garcia.Problems: Racial casting, Espanol and different set of Abuelos Paternos;
Antonio Garcia and Eusebia Martinez.

The question is was Camilo an Yndio and if so was Jose Maria or Maria Vicenta Aguilar Yndio/Yndia or both?

If Jose Maria Garcia was orphaned and his relative Antonio Garcia and Eucebia both espanoles or was there an Yndio/Yndia or mestizo/mestiza among this set of parents.

What makes this very interesting, is that the Garcia clan comes from a long line of classical musicians, starting with Nicolas Garcia and two of his sons well known filamornicos, Jose Angel Garcia Macias (mi maria) and Rafael Garcia Macias and his grandsons Ricardo Garcia Mendoza and Antonio Garcia Mendoza, this family was well respected in Aguascalientes.

So now the questions are; was Camilo Yndio, is my certificate incorrect, is Jose Bartolo Garcia and Maria Margarita Salas an erroneous entries.

Gracias, Arturo

Jose Andres Garcia

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Arturo, Rick,

This is the first time I've come across a family that has used this many different names. It makes it very difficult to track down. Here's more names for you. Camilo Garcia is the son of Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar. Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar were married on 1 October 1808. Jose Maria Salas is the natural born son of Margarita Salas. Vicenta Aguilar is the daughter of Dionicio Aguilar and Eusebia Lopez, another new apellido.

Marriage of Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6P83-8V6

Chris

Jose Andres Garcia

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The sequence of abuelos takes a drastic turn with the bautismo of Jose Camilo, July 19, 1809
Parents:Jose Maria Garcia y Maria Vicenta Aguilar aka Bocanegra (see above)
Abuelos Paternos:Jose Bartolo Garcia and Maria Margarita Salas
Abuelos Maternos: Dionicio Aguilar and Maria Eucevia Vocanegra (see above)

This as far as my documented history on the Garcia clan took me. Unfortunate without a bautismo of Nicolas Garcia Reyes , doubts exist.

Bautismo de Jose Angel Garcia Macias; bautismos 1853-1855, IMAGE 123 of 602

hijo legitimo de Nicolas Garcia y Pantaleona Macias
Abuelos Paternos: Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes
Abuelos Maternos: N. Maria Ysabel Macias, have a certificate that for Brigida Reyes as hija Natural de Baqcilio Lopez
Is there an answer?

Jose Andres Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

Jose Maria is a very common name in that era. But, Jose Maria with the exact same named mother, (Margarita Salas) and the exact same named wife, (Vicenta Aguilar), who also happens to have the exact same named father, (Dionicio Aguilar) and a mother with the exact same given name, (Eusebia), is far less common. This doesn't mean Bartolo Garcia isn't his father, it just means he's a natural born child. I also don't believe this is the last hijo natural. This would also explain why there's no marriages for some of these couples, even though this is one of the best indexed areas. I would also not rely too heavily on everything that was told by family members, until it's backed up with records. I was told various things by family members, much of which turned out inaccurate, or, in some cases, completely wrong, once the actual records were found. I think there's little doubt that this is the correct Jose Maria Garcia(Salas).

Chris

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Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Andres Garcia

I would agree, however, I have documents through bautismos and matrimonios
that discount this theory. Jose Maria was a very common first and middle name
during those periods. My ancestry documented history begins with my
bisabuelos paternos, Jose Angel Garcia Macias and Francisca Natalia Mendoza
Tiscareno. I took a trip to Aguascalientes, and interviewed my cousin x2,
Maria de Los Dolores Garcia Ruiz de La Pena 90x yrs of age daughter of my
great uncle Ricardo Garcia Mendoza, also collected the book Cuatro Valores
Aguascalentenses, author by Jose Antonio de La Torre Garcia, written in honor
of his grandfather Jose Angel Garcia Macias,uncle Rafael Garcia Macias and
Primos Ricardo Garcia Mendoza and Antonio Garcia Mendoza. During this trip I
was able to gathered names and dates of birth of Jose Angel and Francisca
Natalia sons and daughters. Through this research the names of abuelos
paternos always mentioned Nicolas Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias, and for
children of Nicolas and Pantaleona the names of Abuelos Paternos have been
Jose Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes and for the children of Camilo Garcia
and Brigida Reyes the Abuelos Paternos: Jose Maria Garcia and Vicenta
Bocanegra, Maternos Antonio Reyes and Josefa Bocanegra The sequence of
abuelos takes a drastic turn with the bautismo of Jose Camilo, July 19, 1809
Parents:Jose Maria Garcia y Maria Vicenta Aguilar aka Bocanegra (see above)
Abuelos Paternos:Jose Bartolo Garcia and Maria Margarita Salas Abuelos
Maternos: Dionicio Aguilar and Maria Eucevia Vocanegra (see above) This as
far as my documented history on the Garcia clan took me. Unfortunate without
a bautismo of Nicolas Garcia Reyes , doubts exist. Bautismo de Jose Angel
Garcia Macias; bautismos 1853-1855, IMAGE 123 of 602 hijo legitimo de Nicolas
Garcia y Pantaleona Macias Abuelos Paternos: Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes
Abuelos Maternos: N. Maria Ysabel Macias, have a certificate that for Brigida
Reyes as hija Natural de Baqcilio Lopez Is there an answer?

Camilo Garcia

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Hi Chris, hijos/hijas naturales was very common based on my encounter of certificates I came across,(not in the Garcia Clan)I have not found one certificate suggesting that. I need to correct one statement, Jose Angel Garcia Macias and Francisca Natalia Mendoza Tiscareno are my maternal bisabuelos. I am the son of Francisca Garcia Yanez and Fernando de Leon Medina, my grandparents
were Jose Jesus Garcia Mendoza and Emilia (Edmigda) Yanez Macias, Emilia was the Natural daughter of Alejandro Yanez of Pinos Zacatecas and Teresa Macias Guardado Villa Garcia Zacatecas. My interview with Maria de Los Dolores Garcia Ruiz de La Pena, was confirming what I already had from my grandfather sons and daughters, here in Texas. She did not suggest nor influence me in anyway as to the family in Aguascalientes, social and educational status. All that information is recorded in their defunciones . In addition streets bearing their names in Aguascalientes because of their musical contributions to the State and Mexico as a whole, also recognition for some of the daughters of Jose Angel Garcia Macias who distinguished themselves as educators whose names appear on streets named after them. All that said, I would love to find the certificate of Bautismo for Nicolas Garcia Reyes, because this certificate would answer part of my questions. If you have located Nicolas bautismo, I would appreciate the period and Image number. I know he was born in April 1830, but had no success locating that certificate. Gracias

Arturo de Leon-Garcia

Camilo Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

No one is suggesting anything about hijos naturales and the Garcia's. I have dozens of hijos naturales in my family. I'm suggesting that that's one possible explanation for the inconsistencies in records and multiple apellidos. I'm also not suggesting that you disregard your families oral and written history, I'm just suggesting that it needs to be confirmed with actual records, and, if those records show contradictory evidence, than you may need to disregard portions of what you may have heard. All of us in the forum are trying to assist you. I believe both records that I provided are your correct ancestors. I believe if your review them thoroughly you will come to the same conclusion.

Chris

Camilo Garcia

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Hello everyone,

I agree with Chris in that this one is a big puzzle with many pieces but we are having trouble putting them together because of multiple use of names and information about what seems to be the same.people. The issue about different races is really not an issue. I have seen the same person referred to as three or four different racial classifications. Sometimes they would look at the color of the skin of the child and come up with the classification. I have seen the same person classified as mestizo, tresalvo, and espanol; each classification in a different document. The issue here is the numerous names for what seem to be the same people.

I do not have an answer for this dilemma. What I do know is that Chris has done excellent work when helping me out with my Perez-Gallo family line. I have a lot of respect for Chris's work and conjectures.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Oh I am not questioning Chris abilities, capabilities and theories regarding a multitude of surnames, it is probable. In this world everything has a probability, it is that my certificates seem to direct me toward the known, and I was simply trying to FIND NICOLAS GARCIA bautismo certificate that up to this point has eluded me. I feel comfortable with Camilo Garcia bautismo certificate and the data and names within the document. It is just that BAUTISMO belonging to NICOLAS I want. Thanks Rick A. Ricci for all your help and hard work.

Arturo de Leon-Garcia

Thanks Chris

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I am going to review this entire conversation and see where I can comfortably feel the connection, based on verifiable documents. The problem with me, is that I have a one chance to get it right, (getting old). I want whoever picks the baton, that his lane be clear. Again thank you for all your hard work.

Arturo de Leon-Garcia

Thanks Chris

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Dear Arturo,

Finding Nicolas 's baptismal record may help us figure out how these puzzle pieces fit together.. I will be on the look out for it. Let me know if you find additional information. Please let me know how I can help you.

Thank you and you are welcome,
Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Thanks Chris

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I'll stay in touch, if I find anything on Nicolas Garcia, I'll pass it on.
Gracias

Arturo

bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

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Hi Arturo,
It's not possible at all that it's a different Brigida. It is possible that this family used multiple apellidos or errors took place in various records, but the Brigida's are the same. First, there is not one baptism taking place for Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes, prior to the marriage of Camilo Garcia and Brigida Robalcava. Second, the Paternal grandparents are exactly the same for Camilo Garcia. Third, Camilo Garcia would have had to marry two women named Brigida, and the first Brigida would've had to have died prior to his 1835 marriage to Brigida Robalcava. And, clearly that's not the case, since Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes are still have children in the 1840's:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMMF-MRD
Chris

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

Hi Chris, I have documented information on NICOLAS GARCIA and BRIGIDA REYES.
Bautismos 1841-1842 IMAGE 351 of 481 Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes. This
is where I am having a difficult time trying to decipher the Birth of Nicolas
Garcia. En la Villa de Aguascalientes el veinte de Marzo de mil ochocientos
cuarenta dos, El Padre Do Monico Rangel de Licentia Parrochi Bautiso
Solamnemte y puso los Santo Oleos a MARIA PATRICIA que nacio el dia Diez y
Site a las Ocho de La Manana, Barrio el Salite, hija legitima de Camilo
Garcia y Brigida Reyes, Abuelos Paternos Jose Maria Garcia y Vicenta
Bocanegra, Abuelos Maternos; ANTONIO REYES y JOSEFA LOSANO Padrinos Jose
Maria Paredes Y Josefa Bocanegra. You said in your reply that Brigida's
father surname was Robalcaba and her mother was Josefa Reyes. Is it possible
that you are describing a total different Brigida Reyes. I m still at a loss
regarding my gg grandfather, Nicolas Garcia location of his Bautismo. can
anybody shed some light to this subject. Garcias Primos Arturo

Nicolas Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

I think you're looking in the wrong time frame for the baptism of Nicolas Garcia. I don't think he was born in 1830, but instead closer to 1836, based on his parents marriage in July of 1835: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X2M3-1FG ]. Sadly, the names again are slightly different from yours, although still similar. Here the bride and groom are listed as Camilo Garcia and Brigida Robalcaba. The paternal parents are listed as Jose Maria Garcia and Visenta Aguilar. The Maternal parents are listed as Ygnacio Robalcaba and Josefa Reyes. Brigida apparently used her mother's name. This new name of Robalcaba may help in your search.

Chris

Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar

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Nicolas Garcia Reyes

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Thank you Chris, I am familiar with the Robalcaba and Nicolas connection. I am going to look it up again and see where it takes me. Thank you

Arturo

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
Maria Saavedra.

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Jose Maria Saavedra

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It says "herrero" (blacksmith), indígena (indian)". Indígena literally means local or native, but in this particular case means specifically "indian", a term that was common in colonial times but less favoured in independent Mexico. That after "indigena" the text clarifies "del mismo origen y vecindad" (same birthplace and residence than the person above), makes clear that with "indigena" he was trying to say "indian" and not only just "native".

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Carlos,

Thank you. I have a question for you, Im researching my first cousins family because she doesn't really know how to and she has lots Salgados and im wondering where your Salgados are from, hers are from San Pablo Meoqui.

Danny C. Alonso

Translating words in context

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Dear Danny,

Never translate words in isolation. Look up the words and get a word definition, but always remember that how the word is used and when it is used is important. Blacksmith is misspelled but it's a death record so you will often find a profession after a deceased persons name. If it had been a marriage record then you would expect espanol or tresalvo or Indio instead of a profession. I have seem some marriage records with a profession after a name but this is not common.

As to the native word, it does not mean Indian here. You have to look at the word "indigena" here with the other words in the rest of the sentence. It is in a death record, not a marriage record, and it is right after the profession is given. In this case the record states that he and his wife are originally from there and that they were known to be residents there.

Translating words in context

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Thank you Mr. Ricci. I appreciate it. I

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

and thank you everyone who helped me. im trying to accomplish a lot of geneology during summer and I really appreciate all of your help

Danny C. Alonso

Your welcome

Comment

Dear Danny,

Your welcome. Your thanks are greatly appreciated. I am impressed with your devotion to genealogy at such a young age. I was interested in it at your age but mostly listened as my tio (great uncle) Doctor Rito Romo Franco would explain to me his latest findings. He would also tell me how I was related to the many people that we met while walking around town.

There was one lady, a great great aunt, that I thought was really old because she was in her seventies. I would later visit her when she was in her eighties and nineties. She lived to be over one hundred. She passed away decades ago so some of her stories were very old. She was a partera "birth nurse" for many people in the town so she always had stories about how this person was related to that person.

One of my favorite stories is the one a great great aunt of mine would tell me of when she was a little child hiding in a tree and throwing fruit at Santo Toribio Romo as he walked down the street. She made him dance in the street in order to avoid the fruit. When Santo Toribio finally figured out where the fruit was coming from, and who was throwing it, he loudly told her she was going to "get it" as soon as he told her father. She was his niece.

A cousin of my grandfathers just passed away, he was 102. He had many stories about the family that just fascinated me. Many of those people have now passed away but I keep them in my heart and in my records.

If you have a chance, go to mexico and listen to your elderly relatives tell you stories about your family.

Feel free to ask me for help in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Thank you Mr.Ricci. I would like to go to Mexico an meet my relatives one day. I been wanting to go for a while but my mom doesnt think its safe right now. but I will definetly go one day. Thank you for your help.

Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

I believe they say herrero ( iron smith, his profession ) and indigena (
indigent is the word for word translation but I think they are trying to
say that he was native )
On Jun 15, 2016 4:21 PM, "Danny Alonso" wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
>
> Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
> Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
> two words immediately after it says 68 años
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Oops, my bad: herrero, and indigena with an "a" at the end. herrero =
blacksmith, indigena = indigenous ( native ). Sorry I had not read all off
your comments before my first response. I noticed I made a mistake.
On Jun 15, 2016 9:18 PM, "Eduardo Seoane" wrote:

> I believe they say herrero ( iron smith, his profession ) and indigena (
> indigent is the word for word translation but I think they are trying to
> say that he was native )
> On Jun 15, 2016 4:21 PM, "Danny Alonso" wrote:
>
>> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>>
>>
>> Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
>> Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
>> two words immediately after it says 68 años
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
>>
>>
>> Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to thank everyone that helped me with reading my ancestor Jose
MAria Saavedra's record, Mr. Ricci, Angelina, Ashlynn, Alicia, Donna,
Esther, Eduardo, Maria, Stella, and everyone that I might have missed. I
really appreciate all your help and assistance. thank you very much.

Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
was
learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
contributing. and I really appreciate everyone's help because I'm trying to
get a bunch of geneology done in the next few months before school comes
back.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Donna Gonzalez
wrote:

> Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
> was
> learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Danny,

I am doing a family tree for my adopted daughter. Her g-g grandfather was an Estevan Saavedra. He was from Degollado and Arandas in Jalisco. Saavedra is an unusual name (for me). I wonder if Estevan was related to your Jose Saavedra. Do you know the origin of that surname?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:14:11 -0700
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Saavedra
>
> That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
> contributing. and I really appreciate everyone's help because I'm trying to
> get a bunch of geneology done in the next few months before school comes
> back.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Donna Gonzalez
> wrote:
>
> > Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
> > was
> > learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Emilie,

i missed this email. I heard the name a lot. I think Saavedra is pretty
common. I looked it up and it says its a goth name meaning Old House. I
asked my mom and she says goths are people that wear black makeup in
school, so i think these are different goths. If you tell me who your
Saavedra's ancestors are I can see if they link with mine.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Danny,
>
> I am doing a family tree for my adopted daughter. Her g-g grandfather was
> an Estevan Saavedra. He was from Degollado and Arandas in Jalisco.
> Saavedra is an unusual name (for me). I wonder if Estevan was related to
> your Jose Saavedra. Do you know the origin of that surname?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:14:11 -0700
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Saavedra
> >
> > That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
> > contributing. and I really appreciate everyone's help because I'm trying
> to
> > get a bunch of geneology done in the next few months before school comes
> > back.
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Donna Gonzalez <
> donnagonzalez002@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for
> you. I
> > > was
> > > learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hi Danny,

These would be the Visigoths or western Goths -a Germanic tribe that invaded Rome in the 4th century and ruled Spain in the early Dark Ages.

Chris

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

herrero = blacksmith,

indigeno = indigenous

Thus an indigenous blacksmith. The surname Herrera comes from the word
Herrero., son of an herrero, son of a blacksmith.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

Blacksmith and from there

Comment

Even though the spelling is a little off it does mean blacksmith. The second word should be taken in context with the words that are written after that. It is saying that he , like his wife, are both originally , and residents, from that same area.

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

It sounds like (Hebrew)

*Hevreo indigena*
Maybe someone else knows different.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hi Danny,

I don't know if I can help much but I'll try. The word for "hebrew" in
Spanish is "hebreo" and "v" and "b" are sometimes used interchangeably for
one another in a word. Though the writer wrote "hebrero". Still I think
Esther may be onto something.

From what limited amount I can read the woman has the same origin and comes
from the same vicinity as the legitimate son Jose. I know that many Jews
came over from Spain and the Iberian Peninsula and intermarried in Mexico.
My family has some Jewish blood from the Acevedo and Mercado sides. The
writer may be describing this woman and her son Jose (if i'm reading that
correctly) as being Jewish/Hebrew in origin. Maybe another person can
better translate this article.

Hope this helps a bit.
Good luck!
-Donna

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> It sounds like (Hebrew)
>
> *Hevreo indigena*
> Maybe someone else knows different.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
> >
> >
> > Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for
> Jose
> > Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
> > two words immediately after it says 68 años
> >
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
> >
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
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Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hello Danny,

I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
origin.

-Angelina-

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Thank you Everyone. but now i'm a little confused. is he Hebrew or a
blacksmith or is he native American?

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 PM, wrote:

> Hello Danny,
>
> I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
> origin.
>
> -Angelina-
>
>

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hi Danny,

He's a Blacksmith, not a Jew. The word is herrero, not hevrero, which isn't
the word for Hebrew either way. Hebrew would be Hebreo, but, if he was a
Jew, they would've wrote Judío, not Hebreo. The second word, indígena, I
believe is referring to him being native to the same region of San Luis
Potosí, not of being indigenous in origin.

Have a great day,

Ashlynn

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Thank you Everyone. but now i'm a little confused. is he Hebrew or a
> blacksmith or is he native American?
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 PM, wrote:
>
> > Hello Danny,
> >
> > I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
> > origin.
> >
> > -Angelina-
> >
> >
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Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

If it's herrero then it means iron worker or Blacksmith. The problem is that it looks more like hevrero.
Then the next word means indicates, so ti is saying they are getting the information from his wife who is from the same area.

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Thank you Mr. Ricci. I really appreciate it.

Danny C. Alonso

Teodoro Duran and Anastacia Viramontes " Zacatecas"

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these two people are my great,great,great grandparents I think Teodoro was born 1830 could be off Anastacia is born in 1830 Zacatecas state area one of their kids was Jose Trinidad Duran born about 1

Comments

Teodoro Duran and Anastasia Viramontes

Comment

here is Trinidad Duran s second marriage

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5V8-9ZFF

Theres some Viramontes getting married on the opposite page, maybe theyre related to Anastasia Viramontes

Danny C. Alonso

Teodoro Duran and Anastasia Viramontes

Comment

just wanted to say thank you for helping me with my family search.

Announce Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1

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Joseph,
Glad to hear you've recovered from the car accident.

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Announce Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1

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Aaaaw, what a disappointment for us, Joseph, but good for you. Arturo would be a great leader also if he was chosen. Marge.

Sent from my iPad

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>
> Joseph,
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> you to enjoy doing other things.
>
> Thanks for all you've done to get the website up and running. It's been an
> amazing source of information for me and I've directed many people to this
> website who've reached out to me because of potential DNA matches.
>
> Wishing you the very best in your new world of retirement!
> Sylvia Cruz Lottes
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:34:21 -0400
>> From: "Joseph Puentes"
>> To: ,
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marty Puentes/NGGS/Retirement
>> Message-ID: <015201d194d0$c96d58b0$5c480a10$@rr.com>
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>> Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on
>> the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last
>> two sentences):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and
>> I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet,
>> bored, and just decided to google "Puentes". Well lo and behold there was a
>> hit on "someone" looking for information about my father, his brothers and
>> my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I
>> contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my
>> cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the
>> main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the
>> http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together
>> researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to
>> the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
>> (http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our
>> family's history in your search for answers to our past.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my
>> father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886)
>> and
>> Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide
>> show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In
>> the
>> first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862)
>> with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along
>> with various other Tio's and Tia's. In the pistolero picture you see my
>> grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding
>> the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother,
>> my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia
>> Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco's right).
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own
>> genealogical
>> family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via
>> outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/,
>> http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/,
>> http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one
>> interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard
>> work and all you have done. In the near future I'm going to be retiring
>> from
>> helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don't be surprised if
>> soon
>> you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph Puentes
>>
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>>
>> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>>
>>
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Que Lastima!

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Joseph,

I was just accepted to Nuestros Ranchos and now you are sadly moving on. Best of luck to you.

La Hija del Charro

Teresa de Herrera y Quijas

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Genealogy Research

Does anyone know who the parents are to Teresa de Herrera Quijas married to Domingo Martin(es) de Sotomayor. They were married Marriage: 25 APR 1666 Aguascalientes, Mexico

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Theresa de Herrera y Quijas

Comment

Hi Simona,

Theresa de Herrera y Quijas is my 11th great grandmother and based on her name, I'm guessing she's the daughter of Captain don Pedro de Quijas Escalante and Catalina de Saldaña, daughter of Antonio de Alcaraz and Leonor Herrera de Saldaña.

Chris

Quijas, Quixas y Cuixas

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Don Pedro de Quijas Escalante married to Catalina de Saldaña, are my 7th great grandparents through Phelipa. They were the first I looked at as they have Herrera in their line. The timeline is right. I have 14 children for them.
Thanks for the info Chris!

Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to locate the parents of Manuela Mireles and Pedro de Arias.
There children were from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas, but these people
got married in a place

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Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

Comment

Hi Danny,
Based on this marriage of 1722, I'm guessing Manuela Mireles was born about 1700. There is a well known Mireles family from Nuevo Leon. The Domingo Mireles could correspond to Domingo de Castro Mireles Caballero who did use the name Domingo de Mireles. He lived in the same time frame as your Manuela Mireles. I don't believe he was old enough to be the father, but, it's possible he is the brother. I'm not really that familiar with these Nuevo Leon families, but, I have seen his named mention on several genealogies compiled by John Inclan. You might want to check those.
Chris

From: Danny Alonso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to locate the parents of Manuela Mireles and Pedro de Arias.
There children were from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas, but these people
got married in a place called Nuevo Leon, i don't know how close that is or
where it' is. it says they live on the rancho of Domingo Mireles. Does
anyone know who Domingo Mireles is, i'm thinking he might be her father or
relative.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS24-TB

Danny C. Alonso

Domingo -------Mireles

Comment

Dear Danny,

This person may be an ancestor.

Domingo Goncalez Mireles
Mexico Baptisms
Name Domingo Goncalez Mireles
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Apr 1660
Christening Place SANTA FE,GUANAJUATO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO
Father's Name Antonio Goncalez
Mother's Name Ana De Mireles
CITING THIS RECORD
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBJG-77H : 12 December 2014), Domingo Goncalez Mireles, 25 Apr 1660; citing SANTA FE,GUANAJUATO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 668,901.

BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS QUE ESTAN BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE ANTEPASADOS EN AGUASCALIENTES LES COMENTO QUE TODOS LOS DOCUMENTOS NOTARIALES DE LA EPOCA DE LA COLONIA ESTAN YA EN LA RED, TESTAMENTOS, CAR

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TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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¿Funciona todavía esta página?

TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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SI FUNCIONA TODAVIA ACABO DE INGRESAR

Error en la direccion para Los Archivos del Estado de Aguascalie

Comment

Les paso el link activo donde ya esta el acceso a los Archivos del Archivo
Historico de Aguascalientes:

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

Saludos y Excelente noticia!!

Ojala ahora sigamos con proyectos de transcripcion de documentos de orden
Notarial y Judicial!

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From:
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:42 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA
PARAAGUASCALIENTES

> HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS QUE ESTAN BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE ANTEPASADOS EN
> AGUASCALIENTES LES COMENTO QUE TODOS LOS DOCUMENTOS NOTARIALES DE LA EPOCA
> DE LA COLONIA ESTAN YA EN LA RED, TESTAMENTOS, CARTAS DE DOTE MATRIMONIAL
> Y ESCRITURAS. SOLO TIENEN QUE INGRESAR A LA SIGUIENTE PAGUINA DE INTERNET
> ES www.sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx un saludo
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Transcripciones!!

Comment

Gracias por la liga, Paco.

Qué bueno que continues con el proyecto de transcripciones. Ojalá que puedas colocar las transcripciones en una base de datos que pueda ser accesada por buscadores de internet (Bing, Google, etc.), de manera que pueda ser de utilidad para cualquier investigador. ¡Este es un magnífico proyecto!

Luis

> From: pacoromog@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:58:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Error en la direccion para Los Archivos del Estado de Aguascalientes!
>
> Les paso el link activo donde ya esta el acceso a los Archivos del Archivo
> Historico de Aguascalientes:
>
> http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/
>
>
> Saludos y Excelente noticia!!
>
> Ojala ahora sigamos con proyectos de transcripcion de documentos de orden
> Notarial y Judicial!

Transcripciones!!

Comment

el sitio web de los documnetos historicos honestamente pienso que no es funcional, es poco intuitivo, muy lento y de aspecto horrible. Creo que todavia no está listo para ser sublico. Sin embargo me parece que es bastante util.

Miguel Beltran

Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

Comment

Alguien sabe quienes son los padres de Jose maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor en tepatitlan cerca de 1770? son padres de Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez Martin o martinez bautizada por 1784.. la acabo de encontrar es mi gggggrandmother...gracias LetyR

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Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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Hola Lety, no tengo el nombre de los padres de José María González de Hermosillo y Mariana Bonifasia Martín de Sotomayor, pero tengo su fecha de matrimonio en 03 de marzo de 1783 en Tepatitlán de Morelos, espero te sirva el dato.

Y como desciendes de María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo?

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Jorge Luis Ramirez G----Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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Gracias Jorge.. de este lado no somos primos..? jajjajajaja bueno creo que si algún día necesito un riñon (toco madera). te voy a hablar a ti primero

bueno susana Contreras mi mamá es hija de Juan Alfonso Contreras Arias y Emma Coronado Gutierrez

Emma Coronado es hija de Eberardo Coronado ( perdido) y de Maria Andrea Gutierrez Moreno

Maria Andrea Gutierrez es hija de Juan Gutierrez Moreno y de Maria Josefa Rada Gonzalez

Maria Josefa Rada es hija de Cristobal Rada y de Juliana Gonzalez Gomez (ella de Corazón de Jesus Tecolotlan) sus padres Alexo Gonzalez y Josefa Gomez (ambos perdidos!!)

Cristobal Rada es hijo de Pedro Nolasco Rada y de Josefa Ramona Gonzalez

Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez es hija de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor

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> Y como desciendes de María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo?
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> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
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No sabía que María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo se haya casado con Pedro Nolasco Rada. Interesante.

Cada día se descubren cosas nuevas.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
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Tiene alguien idea de quien es Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de dónde viene Mariana Martinez o Martin de Sotomayor? es el mismo que era General casado con una Jauregui y a quien se le atribuye el nombre de Hermosillo?

sabe alguien algo de Estanislao Rada casdo con Micaela Ahumada padres de Pedro Rada? saludos Lety R

Name
Maria Severa Josefa Rada Gonzalez

Gender
Female

Christening date
09 Nov 1818

Christening place
SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO,GUADALAJARA,JALISCO,MEXICO

Birth date
07 Nov 1818

Father name
Pedro Nolasco Rada

Mother name
Maria Josefa Gonzalez

Maternal grandfather name
Josef Maria Gonzalez De Hermocillo

Maternal grandmother name
Mariana Martin De Sotomayor

Batch number
C60316-5

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
38331

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> No sabía que María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo se haya casado con Pedro Nolasco Rada. Interesante.
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> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "leticia reynoso"
To: "s s"
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 20:02
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

Alguien sabe quienes son los padres de Jose maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y
de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor en tepatitlan cerca de 1770? son padres de
Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez Martin o martinez bautizada por 1784.. la acabo
de encontrar es mi gggggrandmother...gracias LetyR

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Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo. El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron: Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Hola Grupo y Buenas Tardes,
Any help with my ancestors (??) is greatly appreciated. All info is from IGI and films, and as far as I can tell ends here:
Domingo Antonio Rubio b. about 1736 Puerto de Sta Maria, Sevilla, Espana
His parents: Juan Rubio   b. ??   and Magdelena Godoy   b. ?? I assume in Spain.
Petra de Anaya Villagran b. 05/22/1740 Huichapan, Hidalgo, Mexico
Her parents:   Miguel Anaya Villagran   b. about 1698 Huichapan, Hidalgo
                        Angela Alcantara Navarrete   b. ??

Earlier I had solicited help with the situation of determing between two Marcos Sepulbeda born 1695 and 1696 (with different parents named).  I knew my Marcos de Sepulbeda married Maria Margarita Franco on 02/08/1717 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco and ordered the film, only to discover that no parents are named at all--in any of the entries from that book!   Imagine my disappointment that padrinos were named, but no parents.   Is this an unusual situation, or something to be expected with older records?     Thanks so much for your condsideration.
Alice

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The padrinos sometimes provide a clue. I believe that I descend from a marcos sepulveda, or at least a sibling of one so I will search my paperwork this week and get back to you.
I found the same thing about the older books but there are less people the farther you go back and it is easier to go through older paperwork like trials, Wills, land ownership to look for clues.
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Where do you find the older paperwork: trial, wills, etc? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks so much, Alice

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:22 PM

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Alice,

I feel your pain at not finding the names of the bride and groom's parents on the marriage records. Now it only means you have to get more creative and find the birth of the grandchildren which will surely have the names of the parents on the baptismal records.

For some reason, there are certain rolls of film for certain periods that don't include the parent's names. I don't know if it was by decree from Spain, from the church or just lazy Parish scribe or priest but it seems to occur in specific time / year spans.

Alicia Carrillo,

from your tocaya Alicia, which is Alice in Spanish.

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Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 10:48:16 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

Earlier I had solicited help with the situation of determing between two Marcos Sepulbeda born 1695 and 1696 (with different parents named). I knew my Marcos de Sepulbeda married Maria Margarita Franco on 02/08/1717 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco and ordered the film, only to discover that no parents are named at all--in any of the entries from that book! Imagine my disappointment that padrinos were named, but no parents. Is this an unusual situation, or something to be expected with older records? Thanks so much for your condsideration.
Alice

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Hello Alicia,
It's funny how genealogy has the ability to bring you up just as quickly as you're let down.
The pain I was avoiding was the one I feel in my pocket from ordering so many films! Since there were two contemporaries with the same name, I thought I'd order the sure thing-the marriage film of the correct Marcos and get the parents of both. Now the only thing I can think of is to order a film I found that contains two of the couple's children, and hope the grandparents are named. Although, it wouldn't be the first time I've found grandparents omitted!
This little dip in the road was made up by the discovery of my gggggrandfather and mother in the 1766 Santander padron. I was searching one page at a time and accidently scrolIed rapidly down, skipping too many pages. Yet before me on page 47 were my ancestors. It was an incredible feeling that I was now privy to their actual address, complete with a map! It didn't further my generational search, but it was terrific none the less. Thanks for your response and wish me luck. Alice

--- On Mon, 5/24/10, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

Alice,

Alicia Carrillo,

from your tocaya Alicia, which is Alice in Spanish.

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Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 10:48:16 AM
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Alice, are your Navarrete from Michoacan?
Linda in Marietta

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Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:43:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

--- On Mon, 5/24/10, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

Alice,

Alicia Carrillo,

from your tocaya Alicia, which is Alice in Spanish.

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Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 10:48:16 AM
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Hello Linda,
I really don't know; Angela Alcantara Navarrette is newly acquired family. Her marriage to Miguel Anaya Villagran on 01/13/1719 was in Huichapan, Hidalgo; however, I haven't found any definitve birth info on her. The only birth entry I've found states about 1705, possibly Huichapan, but the same entry states marriage about 1723 and doesn't have a film number, so I don't have much confidence in it. Alice

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:06 AM

Alice, are your Navarrete from Michoacan?
Linda in Marietta

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--- On Mon, 5/24/10, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

Alice,

Alicia Carrillo,

from your tocaya Alicia, which is Alice in Spanish.

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Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 10:48:16 AM
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Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola Ruben y Lety

Los datos del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo, que
nació el dia 2 de Febrero de 1774, en Zapotlán El Grande, (Ciudad Guzman)
fueron tomados del libro # 29 de 1792, de La Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara...

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez
Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo.
El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ruben casillas moreno"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 04:21
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez
Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo.
El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Arboles diferentes

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Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria
Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de
Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?

Muchisimas gracias.

J. Gonzalez

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Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero
General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar
todo.

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yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.

Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.

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Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

To: mygenes2000

Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?

Muchisimas gracias.

J. Gonzalez

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Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.

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Tengo unaacta de matrimonio de un Andres Gonzalez de HermosilloenTlazazalca Michoacan en1777.
Daniel

> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
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> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
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> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
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> To: mygenes2000
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> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>
> Muchisimas gracias.
>
> J. Gonzalez
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> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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Me puedes mandar la informacion que encontraste, los datos del matimonio de este andres gonzalez

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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:18:47
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

Tengo unaacta de matrimonio de un Andres Gonzalez de HermosilloenTlazazalca Michoacan en1777.
Daniel

> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
>
> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
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> From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> To: mygenes2000
>
> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>
> Muchisimas gracias.
>
> J. Gonzalez
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>
>
> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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Yo por mas que he buscado el acta de matrimonio de Andrés González de Hermosillo y Rosalía Romero y Chávez no la escuentro, así como tampoco el acta de matrimonio del General José María González de Hermosillo con María Guadalupe Jiménez Jáuregui. ¿Quiénes son los padres de María Guadalupe?

Existen varias versiones en cuanto al lugar de nacimiento del mentado General, algunos lo mencionan de Jalostotitlán, otros de Tepatitlán, otros de Valle de Guadalupe, algunos en Mexticacán, otros de Ciudad Guzmán y aquí en el foro mencionan un posible de Tlazazalca, Michoacán. Pero a lo que yo he buscado creo que es el José María Felipe González de Hermosillo bautizado en Ciudad Guzmán el 05 de febrero de 1774, hijo legítimo de Andrés González Hermosillo y Rosalía.

También he leido que la fecha de defunción del General es en 31 de octubre de 1819 en el Rancho de Baltierra, Jalisco. Quisiera saber en que se basa esa fecha, porque en una biografía que leí sobre el general menciona una fecha anterior a esta en la que se menciona que "el indio Candelario mató al General"; además ¿Dónde o en que municipio se encuentra mencionado rancho de Baltierra?

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:41:40 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> Me puedes mandar la informacion que encontraste, los datos del matimonio de este andres gonzalez
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:18:47
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
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> Tengo unaacta de matrimonio de un Andres Gonzalez de HermosilloenTlazazalca Michoacan en1777.
> Daniel
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> > Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >
> > yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
> >
> > Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >
> > To: mygenes2000
> >
> > Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
> >
> > Muchisimas gracias.
> >
> > J. Gonzalez
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
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> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
> >
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> > Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
Daniel

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Hola daniel
Buen trabajo, felicidades por tu exito. Quiero saber si la acta nombra los nombres de los padres.
Muchas Gracias
RA Ricci

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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:50:15
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
Daniel

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> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
>
> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> To: mygenes2000
>
> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>
> Muchisimas gracias.
>
> J. Gonzalez
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>
>
> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
>
>
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Hola, gracias pues el acta no dice los padres de Andres por queya era viudo de 11 meses de Eufracia de Cuellar. Si encuentreel matrimonio de Eufracia y Andres pero no le visto, le ordenaraen unos dias. Encuentre que Eufracia y Andres, primeramentecasaron en Guadalajara y tuvieron varios hijos, luego vieron en laCiudad de Mexico por cierto tiempo donde unos de los hijos era bautizada en la Capilla de Santa Catarina, Pienso que Eufraciamurio en el DF pero no lo se, es posible que luego trajo sus ninos aMorelia, y no se como pero luego parece en Tlazazalca. Donde casoa Rosalia Manuela Romero de Chavez. Ella es hija lex. de AgustinRomero de Chavez y Ana Maria Alvarez del Castillo. Andres Gonzalezde Hermosillo era natural de San Juan de los Lagos.
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:52:41 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> Hola daniel
> Buen trabajo, felicidades por tu exito. Quiero saber si la acta nombra los nombres de los padres.
> Muchas Gracias
> RA Ricci
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:50:15
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
>
> En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
> Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>>
>> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
>>
>> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>>
>> To: mygenes2000
>>
>> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>>
>> Muchisimas gracias.
>>
>> J. Gonzalez
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>>
>>
>> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
>>
>>
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Me puedes decir si la acta dice que el es de san juan de los lagos?
Gracias
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:13:04
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

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Comment

Si la acta dice que era nativo de Nuestra Senora de San Juan.

Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:19:54 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> Me puedes decir si la acta dice que el es de san juan de los lagos?
> Gracias
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:13:04
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
>
> Hola, gracias pues el acta no dice los padres de Andres por queya era viudo de 11 meses de Eufracia de Cuellar. Si encuentreel matrimonio de Eufracia y Andres pero no le visto, le ordenaraen unos dias. Encuentre que Eufracia y Andres, primeramentecasaron en Guadalajara y tuvieron varios hijos, luego vieron en laCiudad de Mexico por cierto tiempo donde unos de los hijos era bautizada en la Capilla de Santa Catarina, Pienso que Eufraciamurio en el DF pero no lo se, es posible que luego trajo sus ninos aMorelia, y no se como pero luego parece en Tlazazalca. Donde casoa Rosalia Manuela Romero de Chavez. Ella es hija lex. de AgustinRomero de Chavez y Ana Maria Alvarez del Castillo. Andres Gonzalezde Hermosillo era natural de San Juan de los Lagos.
> Daniel
>
>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:52:41 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >
> > Hola daniel
> > Buen trabajo, felicidades por tu exito. Quiero saber si la acta nombra los nombres de los padres.
> > Muchas Gracias
> > RA Ricci
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
> > Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:50:15
> > To: Patty Hoyos
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >
> >
> > En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
> > Daniel
> >
> > To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> >> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> >> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >>
> >> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
> >>
> >> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >> From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> >> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
> >>
> >> To: mygenes2000
> >>
> >> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
> >>
> >> Muchisimas gracias.
> >>
> >> J. Gonzalez
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
> >>
> >>
> >> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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Según Mariano González Leal el Andrés González de Hermosillo que mencionan es hijo de Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Gertrudis de Anda Altamirano; y Eufrasia Cuéllar es hija de José Dionisio Cuéllar Cortés y Mariana Figueroa Orozco.

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Por casualidad tienes mas inormacion sobre la genealogia de Diego Ildefonso, Gertrudis, DIonisio y Mariana?
Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:21:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
>
> Según Mariano González Leal el Andrés González de Hermosillo que mencionan es hijo de Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Gertrudis de Anda Altamirano; y Eufrasia Cuéllar es hija de José Dionisio Cuéllar Cortés y Mariana Figueroa Orozco.
>
> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
> Tel.: 3781095311
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Lamentablemente de Diego Ildefonso y Gertrudis no tengo mas datos. José Dionisio es hijo de Cayetano Cuéllar y María Feliciana Cortés; y Mariana es hija de Pedro Figueroa Sámano y Francisca Orozco.

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Si puedes enviarmelo tambien gracias.
Danielmendezdelcamino@live.com

> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:48:03 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> To: mygenes2000
>
> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria
> Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de
> Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>
> Muchisimas gracias.
>
> J. Gonzalez
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>
>
> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero
> General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar
> todo.
>
>
>
>
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Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
=======================================================================================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: "ruben casillas moreno"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 04:21
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez
Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo.
El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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mygenes2000. Lety and Ruben.

No tengo copia del acta matrimonial del General Jose Maria Gonzalez de
Hermosillo. Lo siguiente es tomado del libro " Cronologia Historica de
Teocaltiche" del escritor Samuel Contreras Sanchez (2005) :

"Cuando se dio a conocer la biogradia elaborada por Padilla, en el año de
1992, las personas interesadas en decifrar el origen de Hermosillo, se
dirigieron a Mexticacan , donde alguno de los indagantes abusando de la
amabilidad del personal del Registro Civil al prestarle el libro de registro
de familiares del susodicho personaje, desapereció y hoy no se sabe su
paradero. Pero como ya se dijo, Mexticacán era ayuda de la Parroquia de
Nochistlan, entonces ahora la mirada de los interesados se dirijio a ese
lugar, donde se encuentra la información matrimonial de Jose Maria Gonzalez
de Hermosillo y que ademas se tienen archivos de la misma en la Sagrada
Mitra de Guadalajara con la siguiente información:

En el libro #29, de 1792, de información matrimonial que dice: "
Hermosillo es originario de Zapotlán el Grande (Ciudad Guzman) Obispado de
Valladolid y residente de Loreto hace 12 años. (Comunidad de Mexticacán y a
cinco minutos de Ostotan de la jurisdiccion de Teocaltiche), Hijo legitimo
de Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalia de Chavez y Romero.

Nacio el 2 de Febrero de 1774 en Zapotlan El Grande, radico 12 años en el
Rancho de Loreto. Se caso a los 19 años en Mexticacan el 1 de Abril de 1792
con Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Xaure (jauregui) de 17 años de edad.

Espero que esta información les pueda ayudar en sus investigaciones.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA

========================================================================================================================

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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Gracias John Gonzalez.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El dom 16-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acta Matrimonial
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 16 de mayo de 2010, 14:42

To:
mygenes2000. Lety and Ruben.

No tengo copia del acta matrimonial del General Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Lo siguiente es tomado del libro " Cronologia Historica de Teocaltiche" del escritor Samuel Contreras Sanchez (2005) :

"Cuando se dio a conocer la biogradia elaborada por Padilla, en el año de 1992, las personas interesadas en decifrar el origen de Hermosillo, se dirigieron a Mexticacan , donde alguno de los indagantes abusando de la amabilidad del personal del Registro Civil al prestarle el libro de registro de familiares del susodicho personaje, desapereció y hoy no se sabe su paradero. Pero como ya se dijo, Mexticacán era ayuda de la Parroquia de Nochistlan, entonces ahora la mirada de los interesados se dirijio a ese lugar, donde se encuentra la información matrimonial de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y que ademas se tienen archivos de la misma en la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara con la siguiente información:

En el libro #29, de 1792, de información matrimonial que dice: " Hermosillo es originario de Zapotlán el Grande (Ciudad Guzman) Obispado de Valladolid y residente de Loreto hace 12 años. (Comunidad de Mexticacán y a cinco minutos de Ostotan de la jurisdiccion de Teocaltiche), Hijo legitimo de Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalia de Chavez y Romero.

Nacio el 2 de Febrero de 1774 en Zapotlan El Grande, radico 12 años en el Rancho de Loreto. Se caso a los 19 años en Mexticacan el 1 de Abril de 1792 con Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Xaure (jauregui) de 17 años de edad.

Espero que esta información les pueda ayudar en sus investigaciones.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA

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----- Original Message ----- From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 09:22
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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No , no tengo el acta de matrimonio ddel General, el acta que yo tengo puede ser de otra persona con el mismo nombre, tu ttienes el acta ? quienes fueron sus padres uo abuelos?
Gracias.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El dom 23-may-10, mygenes2000@yahoo.com escribió:

De: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 23 de mayo de 2010, 11:22

Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ruben casillas moreno"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 04:21
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez
Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo.
El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Comment

Hola a todos,

Para los interesados en los orígenes genealógicos del Mariscal José María
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, aquí les envío el siguiente link
http://www.rickrod.com/jmgh/ con los resultados finales de mi investigación.

Gracias al trabajo en equipo y después de muchos años de investigación se
logra por fin encontrar, sin dejar alguna duda, el vínculo del Mariscal José
María González de Hermosillo con Juan González de Hermosillo, genearca de
este linaje de la Nueva Galicia.

Quedo a las órdenes de ustedes para cualquier pregunta.

Saludos a todos,

Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Sociedad de Genealogía e Historia de Los Altos de Jalisco

Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]

Comment

Hi all (primos):

I have gone through most of the list of available DOTES (marriage dowry) records and made my notations for easier look-up. Hopefully, this will help some members. *please note, there may be some typing errors - they are rough-notes for record searches I was not planning to share. So forgive the lower-case and such...

[ESPANOL FROM GOOGLE TRANSLATE: He pasado por la mayor parte de la lista de dotes disponibles (dote) registros e hizo que mi anotaciones para facilitar su mirada en marcha. Con suerte, esto ayudará a algunos miembros. * Tenga en cuenta, puede haber algunos errores de escritura - son ásperas secciones relativas a las búsquedas conste en acta que no tenía intención de compartir. Así que perdona el menor caso, y tal ... ]

DOTES AGUASCALIENTES: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/
INSTRUCTIONS:
1) GO TO SITE LINK ABOVE
2) ENTER LOGIN/PASSWORD GIVEN ON HOME PAGE
3) DOUBLE-CLICK ON SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - FONDO NOTARIAL
4) IN 1ST DROP-DOWN MENU, CHOOSE "NOTARIAL"
5) SELECT REST DROP-DOWN CHOICES FROM RECORD LIST BELOW

EXAMPLE (SEE FIRST RECORD LISTED):
If you are interested in the first record for Ana Fernandez de Palos and Rodrigo Mazavel, choose:
caja 4
expediente 2
escritura 49

Hope this helps, and happy searching!

DOTES MATRIMONIALES
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ana f. de palos
rodrigo mazavel

caja 4
expediente 2
escritura 49

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andres munoz de nava y luisa tiscareno
a diego santa cruz

caja 2, 4, 24

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andres tello de lomas a. josefa teresa de irizar
caja 15, 1, 68

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antonio de nava u huerta a. juan fernandez de castro

caja 1, 7, 32

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antonio escamilla a, juan ascencio de vela (san luis potosi)

caja 9, 4.73

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antonio de escamilla, tutor de micaela barragan y otaduy a. jose fernandea de castro

caja 8, 5, 57

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bernabe merino a. leonor lozano
caja 1, 2, 2

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clara de guzman de prado a. baltazar diaz de aguilera
caja 5, 1, 46

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claudio jose de coampo comerciante a. francisca javiera alonso
caja 29, 2, 57

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diego jose de equilus a. manuel rincon gallardo
caja 5, 4, 45

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diego de las marias y medrano y luisa gonz de nava a. pedro de olmos
caja 3, 4, 36

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diego de tiscareno a. luisa de anzo y aguilera
caja 2, 6, 2

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francisco de mendoza a. diego castaneda
7, 4, 4
1718
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francisco flores a. maria ruiz de esparza
caja 1, 12, 8
1673
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jacinta de ortega y francisco macias a. ines de ortega
1, 7, 7
1662

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jose de guzman y prado a. francisco de soria
6, 3, 3
1713

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jose de miranda a. manuel rafael de aguilera

14, 7, 85
1741

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jose isidro cid de escobar a. francisco jose gomez, mercader y notario del santo oficio
9, 4, 71
1725
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jose isidro cid de escobar a. manuel de goitia
16, 4, 27
1747
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jose tomas gonz de hermosillo a. maria micaela de acosta
24, 1, 56
1769
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josefa de arce y castilla a. francisco del arbol y bonilla
5, 1, 62
1707
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josefa de santa cruz a. fernando de altamirano de castilla
4, 2, 29
1702
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juan de aguilar a. luis de araiza (spinosa)
1,4,8
1654

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juan de tiscareno e isabel romo de vivar a. francisco munoz de hermosillo
2,4,25
1681
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juan lopez munoz y elvira marquez tiscareno a. miguel de cobos
2,4,26
1681
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juan marcelino calvillo a. josefa velasco
5,3,10
1708

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juan rincon de vivar a. juana rincon de ortega (sobrina)
1,1,17
1671

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juan ruiz de esparza e isabel romo a. andres munoz de hermosillo
3,2,20
1686
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juana de castro y mayorga a. nicolas de altura (esposo)
2,6,11
1684

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juana de siordia a. nicolas de ponce (esposo)
1,7,39
1662

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juana maria delgado a. antonio de escobar y santiago
5,1,53
1707

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leonor sanchez de los hinojos a, ana fernandes de palos (hija)
4,5,36
1704

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magdalena calvillo v. hilario gonz
4,2,28
1702

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magdalena cuenca a. salbador villalobos
4,2,37
1702

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manuel jose de avila a. justa diaz de leon
29,2,53
1787

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marcela rincon gallardo a. diego jose de eguilis
5,4,47
1709

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marcos perez montalvo a. maria gallardo
1.12.13
1673

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maria hernandez (esposa) a. ines calvillo
4,2,9
1702

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matias lopez de carrasquilla a. margarita de la escalera (esposa)
4,5,43
1704

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micaela de salas y zapata a. francisco lazaro gonzalez, alferez real
7,2,20
1715

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nicolas munoz (esposo) a. maria gallardo
1,4,10
1654

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pedro rincon de ortega a. jose lopes
1,9,7
1664
para casarse con josefa valadez
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salvador de esparza (padre de antonia de esparza) a. santiago de escobar
2,2,11
1679

Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]

Comment

It's very generous of you to provide this link but I am unable to locate a sign-in or password
Sincerely,
Raymond Medrano
raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:

From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:58 PM

Hi all (primos):

DOTES AGUASCALIENTES: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/
INSTRUCTIONS: 1) GO TO SITE LINK ABOVE 2) ENTER LOGIN/PASSWORD GIVEN ON HOME PAGE 3) DOUBLE-CLICK ON SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - FONDO NOTARIAL
4) IN 1ST DROP-DOWN MENU, CHOOSE "NOTARIAL"
5) SELECT REST DROP-DOWN CHOICES FROM RECORD LIST BELOW