Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hello, My name is Minerva. Thank you so much for allowing me to be part of this group- I am a new researcher since only last year I started my investigation into my father’s ancestry from Los Altos de Jalisco.

A sample of my father’s genealogical line has been saved in this folder: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/mflores - I am expecting to add additional information to this folder soon.

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I am researching the individuals below at the moment and would greatly appreciate any information you might have about them:

1) Plutarco Flores Jimenez (or Flores Aceves?) from Coyotes, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, who was married to Petra Davalos Guzman (bef 1815- bef 1877) from Encinos, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco. They both lived in Corralillo, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco at some point as well.

I estimate Plutarco was born before 1814 and died in 1876. I have found some sources that list Plutarco's father as Guadalupe Flores and other sources as Valentin Flores. His mother is referenced as Dionicia Jimenez or sometimes Dionicia Aceves. I am kind of stuck at Plucarco.

I am not sure if this helps, but Plutarco is the second-grandfather of Coronel Gabino Flores Torres who fought during the Cristero war. Here is a link to information about Gabino: http://guardianacionalcristera.com/cabalgata-cristera-coronel-gabino-fl…

2) Sebastian de Azeves married to Maria de Velasco from Ayo el chico, Ayotlan, Jalisco. Sebastian and Maria are parents of Francisco Xavier Aceves, who married Maria Guadalupe Valdivia in Ayo el Chico on June 02, 1755.

3) Antonio Joseph Ramirez married to Maria Petra Oliden. Antonio and Maria are parents of Ignacio Julian Ramirez Oliden born on March 16, 1773 in Coyotes, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco.

4) Josepha Polonia Curiel married to Fernando Vizcarra in 1766 in Tonala, Jalisco. I believe her parents were German Curiel and Rita Gutierres they were all from Rancho del Populo, Tonala, but I am not 100% sure yet.

Any information about the ancestors of any of these people is much appreciated.

Looking forward to reading much more of the vast information the group has provided on the website (I have a lot of catching up to do), and hopefully there might be something I can help you guys with as well.

Best Regards,
Minerva

Hola a todos:

He estado buscando los padres de mi abuelo quinto Francisco Xavier Macías, de quien tengo los siguientes datos:

Se casó el 20 de abril de 1776 en Santa María de los lagos con María Victoria de Córdova Batch M604184.

2.- Vivieron en El Meson, Encarnación de Díaz.

3.- Fueron padres de:

1768 15 de abril Joseph Norberto, bautizado en Santa María de los lagos C604133
1776 10 de abril María Francisca, bautizada en Santa María de los Lagos batch C604135
1779 28 de junio Antonia Margarita
1781 8 de agosto José Ventura, bautizado en Encarnación de Díaz batch C6026691
1783 26 de octubre María Antonieta, bautizada en Encarnación de Díaz
fecha desconocida: Máximo, casó con Eusebia Gallegos Valdés.
fecha desconocida José Ascención Macías casado con Rita de Herrera.

Pero al buscar a Francisco Xavier encuentro varios homónimos, variando sólo el segundo apellido.

Gracias por leer ésta petición. Saludos

Marcelina

Hello Nuestro Ranchos Forum,

I read an old post about Margarita Ramirez that marries Francisco Tiscareno in Februry 25 1690 in Aguascalientes . It said she was also known as Margarita de Sosa and That her mother was also margarita de sosa. But then someone on the post said they didn't know margarita Sosa and made it seem like it wasn't true. Does anyone know this person. Here she is:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ram%C3%ADrez-541

Danny C. Alonso

I had been searching for Jacinto Paisano LKDX-GCH on familysearch.org​ (4th greatgrandfather) married to Maria Carmen Amaya.

I came across an IM for Joseph Jacintho Payzano married to Maria del Carmel Nieto. They had the time period correct, names basically the same, and place of birth in San Luis Potosi.

Maria del Carmel Nieto parents are Nicolas Gregorio Nieto and Maria Rosalia Amaya Roxas.
Does anyone have any info on them to confirm or disprove my theory that they are the same?

One other note, the whole family has had their names corrupted (escovedo changed to Escobar) or reversed (ventura paisano became ventura escareno and her husband Rafael Escareno became Rafael Paisano), and children of michaela Rodriguez and Tiscareno have children passed her birth but they have their names listed as parents.

Thanks, Sarod77

Hello friends,

How do I find a specific "Rollo" on FamilySearch. I know how to search under "film number," but someone documented a source using the Roll number and not the film number and I am trying to follow their research back.

My source says the document was at the Archivo del Arzobizpado de Guadalajara, Roll 2989, 1611-1699 and that it is a Capellania. So, I went to the films under those dates at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DG9H-6F?owc=3JW2-3TG%3A171…
but lo an behold there is no such roll number, the Capellania that is 1611-1699 is Roll#2986, and the one that is 1611-1854 is roll #2990, both of which are REALLY close, but are not the right number, which again is #2989.

I also looked at the Indexes that Kati Brecht has kindly put together, but I am not finding it. Maybe it has not been digitized?

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Sergio

PS Here is the link to the source I am following, p 99, footnote 20 https://books.google.com/books?id=Uc81YwxijI0C&pg=PA99&dq=D%C3%A1valos+…

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference No: SGU,LEG,7016,4

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…

Look up Verso 29

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2rg012e.jpg

my grandfather death died of Hogio thanks for reading

Hello,

I am going to be in the Tucson, Arizona area next month. And was wondering if anyone could recommend some places to research at?

Thanks,
Jon Walker

I recently ran across a church baptismal record on familysearch.org that stated "abuelos incognitos". This doesn't seem to me that the grandparents were unknown but for some reason are unlisted.
Has anyone run across this before? Why would the grandparents not be named? Any ideas?
Thanks in advance for any insight.

Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
email: genie_research@hotmail.com
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Researching: Banegas, Barela, Cutler,
De La O, Fahrbach, Jimenez, Keller,
May, Navarro, Starnes, Utley, Ybarra
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Looking for Joesph Maria Cardona 9QCK-QDT (www.familysearch.org)
​married to Maria Ynes Espinosa (espls)First child born in 1775.

Their children were baptized in Pinos, Zacatecas, they later moved to Charcas, San Luis Potosi, on one of sons marriage records he states he was originally from Hacienda Espiritu Santo (?) and a resident of Mingole in Charcas. Thanks for any information.

Does anyone know where to find a copy of Ezequiel Hernandez Lugo's book titled De Criollo Estirpe? Thanks

I am in search of a photo of my great grandfather Epifanio Mercado son of Ricardo Mercado and Silvestra Vargas date of baptism, April (21 maybe) 1871, born in Rancho Virgenes, Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas died on June 29, 1943 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.

He was married to my great grandma Catalina Robles on March 4th, 1925.

His first marriage was to Casimira Vargas of which they had 6 children: Jose Francisco Mercado, Aurelia Mercado, Maria Soledad Mercado, Maria Concepcion Mercado, Gilberto Mercado and Ediberta Mercado. Most likely a picture could be found by his descendants from his first marriage or from close living relatives of Epifanio.

Thank you for your help in tracking down a photo or more information regarding our family lineage.

Mercy
mercy.huizar@gmail.com

There is an applicant to the group that wants to know if anyone is doing
research on these names: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

Hay un aplicante que quiere saber si hay algunos en el grupo haciendo
investigacion de estos appellidos: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

joseph

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http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:45 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos July 2016

Please copy and paste: http://somosprimos.com/sp2016/spjul16/spjul16.htm
Click here: Somos Primos

Dear primos, friends, and readers:

On July 4th, we will all be celebrating the birth of our country. As Latinos we should take great pride in our mestizo ancestors who formed the foundation, "the roots" of the nation, 500 years exploring, riding on the backs of their horses.and settling throughout the Americas.

April 10th, 2008, the United States Senate passed a bipartisan bill to make the vision of a National Museum of the American Latino a reality.
As we know the Latino museum has not become a physical reality. Sadly, it appears, the direction has been to simply produce a virtual online museum.

However, in 2008, I met Robin Collins who gave me hope. She has real, physical, concrete evidence, living reality of the Spanish/Mexico contributions to development of the United States in . . . a herd of unique horses in Madera, California.

The DNA of these horse have been studied by universities both in California and Texas, substantiating the entry into the Americas of Spanish horses and their continual presence since then.

Since January of this year, in every issue of Somos Primos I have included information on the importance of the Iberian horse/Wilbur-Cruce under the SPAR initiative, the Spanish Presence in Americas Roots.

In this issue you will read about CAREM, A.C. binational effort to trace the Corridor Stories of Baja and Alta California, in collaboration of a UNESCO, World Heritage Initiative. The goal to identify Camino Real de las Californias as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

As readers you know that Somos Primos has been online for 17 years. I have never requested or asked for funds for Somos Primos. My mission has always been to promote the good, positive accomplishments of our community. Last month was the first time that I ask for support and it was for the Heritage Discovery Center and Robin. To those who responded, thank you very much.

Robin Collins, who is not Latino, long ago recognized the nobility, character and usual intelligence of this specific breed. For 26 years she has been dedicated, telling their story to all who would listen.
Robin has never received any grants or funds. Relying on her own resources, Robin has cared for the need of her "ponies", 7 days a week,
24 hours a day. Because of the drought in California, the herd which
has now reached 65 can no longer use natural greenery to feed on. It costs approximately $5,000. a month.

Robin, in great despair said, If the Hispanic community does not invest in preserving these Iberian horses, there will be no recourse but to disband this rare genetic resource, inevitably resulting in the gradual disappearance of these distinct, valuable Iberian horses and a terrible loss of a unique scientific opportunity to study them.

I feel that through DNA research, these horses will greatly clarify the age of exploration, evidence and proof of the contributions made by our Spanish explorers . . with their horses, our ancestors, and will finally receive the respect due them.

Adapted quickly, our indigenous ancestors added the Spanish horse to their communities. To the indigenous the horse became "big dog," their other four-footed companion. The Spanish, indigenous, and horse together shaped the Americas, and profoundly affecting the entire world.
That is our history. That is the history of the United States.

This morning I received another bit of information which I found fun and fascinating.
Robin Collin's birthday is July 4th!!! How about that . . . Send
Robin a Happy Birthday message that you care.
The history of the Iberian horse is our history.
Please help save them, and our history which is embedded in their DNA.
Any donation, even a dollar would be appreciated. Thank you . . .
Mimi

Heritage Discovery Center, The HDC is a 501 (c) 3 non-profit
organization.
Partner with Robin Lea Collins, go to www.ranchodelsueno.com,
and send a donation through Paypal or mail to: 40222 Millstream, Madera,
93636.

For further information, contact:
Delia Gonzalez Huffman 317-416-7234 fromhuffman@gmail.com
Robin Collins 559-868-8681 hdcranchodelsueno@gmail.com

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Go to website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference number: SGU,LEG,7015,2

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet

Starts on Recto 90 (actually starts on verso 89)

In this website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

reference no. is: SGU,LEG,7015,2

and starts on recto 115:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&ap…

Hello to all,

I am new to the list since last week and in this message I'm presenting my
second main line - Cadena - found in Cuquio, San Antonio de los Vasquez and
San Felipe, all in Jalisco. They were espanoles.

Earliest ancestor found is Manuel Cadena married to Ana Santiaga Jacoba
Gomes (dau. of Joachim Gomes and Maria Gertrudis Vasquez, born ca. 1754, San
Felipe/Cuquio). The only child found of this couple thus far is Jose
Leondardo Esculano Cadena, born Nov 1781 in Cuquio. Working backwards,
Manuel would have been born about 1750, but I've been unable to find a
record thus far. Manuel was dead at the time of son Jose's first marriage in
1806; Ana Gomes died between 1806 and Jose's second marriage (to Maria
Eusebia Vasquez) in 1829.

The name Cadena was quite prevalent in the Cuquio area at this time. Jose's
children were born between 1807-1819 in either Cuquio or San Antonio de los
Vasquez, which lies somewhat east of Ixtlahuacan del Rio. One of them, Maria
Francisca Romana Cadena, ended up marrying in Guadalajara to Raymundo
Gutierres of the Gutierres Rubio line found in and around Tepatitlan.

Is anyone else on the list researching the name Cadena? I'm trying to find
out where the family came from before Cuquio - directly from Spain, or
elsewhere in Mexico? Does anyone know of records besides those of the church
for this area? There are gaps in the church records that have made research
difficult. There is also the possibility that the Cadena were in Guadalajara
before Cuquio.

Thank you in advance for all suggestions.

Susan Cadena

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

could someone tell me what the words are on this baptism for Fernando
Fermin Garcia on the right page near the bottom between cinquenta y quatro
años and baptize y puze los stos oleos

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68X9-W93

Danny C. Alonso

For well over 20 years I’ve been researching my Miramontes family line finally hitting the “wall” years ago. We’ve all experienced this from time to time. I believed I could go no further beyond my 6th Great-Grandfather, Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandobal, Great-Grandparents whose names were recorded in their son (My 5th GGparents) Lorenzo Miramontes and Agueda de Jesus Llamas marriage record (Married 14 Jan 1741 in Tlaltenango).

For whatever reason I had a hunch the Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Gonzalez line noted in Arturo Ramos’s “Familia’s Antiguas de Tlaltenango” had some connection. I recall Arturo and I had a short communication many years ago when he was in the midst of his research of the Miramontes descendancy searching marriage records when he generously asked NR members if there was anyone in particular we might be looking for, he would keep an eye out for them. I provided the names of Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandoval, named in Lorenzo’s marriage record. He remarked the Nicolas Miramontes he found married to Juana Gonzalez could be the same person I was looking possibly being married to another spouse.

It occurred to me recently to examine the marriage informational records prior to this marriage. In short order these records dated 25 Dec 1740 revealed Lorenzo’s mother as Juana Gonzalez and not Juana Sandoval as noted in his actual marriage record. Apparently using one of either her paternal or maternal surnames in these records. Nicolas Miramontes was living at this time and Juana was deceased. Lorenzo’s grandparents were Matheo de Llamas both and Juana Gonsales, both deceased at this time.

This newfound information led me to the next Lorenzo and Ana Dias de Santiago generation followed by Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia.

Now as I’ve studied carefully the Miramontes Family tree in Arturo’s book and the forum discussions concerning the descendancy of the Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia to the next generation. I ask the question if it has been established if this Juan is the son of Juan Miramontes and Maria Haro y Saucedo? I have a fair working knowledge of reading Spanish but admit at times have problems following written dialog where someone is explaining relationships from one generation to another.

Any help would be welcome
Thanks

Gus Meza

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the two words are on this marriage for my
ancestors Carlos Rovalcava and Luisa Rovalcava. The two words are right
before it say "fueron padrinos Hilario Garcia and Dominga Rovalcava"

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VK76-8

Danny C. Alonso

Is there a way to request digital copies of documents listed in PARES that are not digitized? I'm looking to get a document that is one page and looks like its just on microfilm.

Thank you

Alex

Hace algunos meses Paco Romo inicio un proyecto bien importante en Nuestros Ranchos para transcribir testamentos de Aguascalientes (http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…). El listado eventualmente sumo 760 testamentos, y varios miembros de NR decidimos colaborar. Yo transcribi dos la primera semana, y luego, nunca recibi respuesta al enviar el tercero. Alguien sabe como contactar a Paco, que nos sea pacoromog@hotmail.com? Tengo deseo de continuar transcribiendo testamentos cuya informacion puede servir para resolver varias ramas conflictivas.

A few months ago Paco Romo started a very important project in Nuestros Ranchos to transcribe last wills from Aguascalientes (http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…). The list eventually included 760 wills, and several NR members began collaborating. I transcribed two the first week, and then, never got a response after submitting the third. Does anyone knows an alternative way to contact Paco other than pacoromog@hotmail.com? I wish to continue transcribing wills since the information contained therein could help us solve several road blocks.

Leonor de Hermosillo sale en el padron de Jalos de 1650 con la edad de 9 en la estancia del Br. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo y de Leonor de Hermosillo madre del Bachiller y esposa de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio. Esta Leonor aparece en los padrones de Jalos en los 1670s como esposa de Diego de la Mota y Padilla. Depues de la muerte del Br. Lazaro Gtz de Hermosillo, dueño de la estancia de la Nascapiloya (cercas de San Miguel el Alto, Francisco Gtz de Hermosillo su hermano y Diego aparecen como herederos del bachiller (esta informacion la herencia la encontre en una carta de poder en los protocolos de Jose L. Ramirez en 1688 y 1689).

Mi pregunta para todos ustedes, sera Leonor de Hermosillo hija de Leonor de Hermosillo y Miguel Gutierrez Rubio o hija del Bachiller Lazaro?

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Has anyone heard of this couple before Estaban de Aguiar y Quiroga and
Maria Guadalup de la Vega y Rivas or sometimes just Rivas. They're from a
place called Ayo El Chico in Jalisco. They baptised a son and daughter in
1721 and 1722, but i dont know when they were married or if they have more
kids. they probly were born about 1697 or so. I havent been able to find
anything on them except their two kids.

Danny C. Alonso

Danny C. Alonso

I am working to organize a chapter here in Utah for the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society. Anyone interested in being a part of this get in contact with me. Currently there are two chapters in California. I hope to get this off the ground by this summer.