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I totally agree with you Joseph. I was lucky to have gotten in that habit early on in my research and it has saved me a lot of re-work on multiple occasions. Once I found I had a death date for an ancestress that preceeded the birth of the children. I thought to myself; "What was I thinking?". I looked at the source I cited and realized it was the marriage date and I had simply typed in the date in the wrong box. Without knowing where I got the information I might've just deleted that date and gone back to square one or gone through my prints trying to find the original record. I have also found it's a good way to keep track of what records you've already looked through.

Maria

When I got the information from a film,in the source I add a few more
details,

1. Name of the library or Archives (example Family History Library).
Film number and name of the film (Example 1891 matrimonios de castas)
in the citation, I add the item number if applicable.

There is a good book on the subject, very easy and inexpensive

CITE YOUR SOURCES
By Richard S. Lackey

It is a small book with lots of examples.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0878052860/ref=ase_markcy…

Saludos

susana

I would add Item number if applicable to your sources

I had a problem with films that I could barely read on the projector, when I
tried to print them, the results were very disappointing, I couldn't read
them at all. I hope these instructions will work for you and anybody else
who is having the problem.

This are the instructions I was given by the FHC.:

If you are using film that has a gray background do the following procedure:

1.-Click on "Scan from fiche/film"

2.-Click on "Settings" in lower left corner

3.-In "User Preference" block click on "positive". (Use arrow at right of
block to change from "negative" to "positive".)

4.-Set "Brightness" level to desired level

5.-Click "Scan" in lower left.

6.-Continue to adjust brightness and scan until desired image is obtained.

7.-Click "Finished Scanning"in lower right.

8.-Delete all other images before printing. ( if you don't, all images will
be printed.)
To delete images click "Delete" in upper right. This will display the
"delete a file" block.

9.- While in the "Delete a file" block, hold down the "Ctrl" key while
clicking each image you want to delete, then click "delete".

10.-Click "Print" in upper left.

I recommend that you make a hard copy of these instructions and take them
with you to your FHC next time you have some "tough" films to examine.
Good luck.

John Gonzalez (El Horcado)
Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@verizon.net

Amazing Arturo, I'm just uploading a Tilt setup you can use to reduce
the angle needed to take digital films. I've almost completely converted
to using digital shots of my records. I bought one of those mini tripods
and that elimates that need to a great extent of needing to hold
perfectly still. Before the tripod I got mixed results now I get almost
100% clear shots.

look in the albums in a few minutes for my tilt set up

joseph

arturoramos wrote:

>I just wanted to share a recent experience in my research with the group.
>
>Until recently when I wanted a copy of a document, I would take the film off the viewing machine, sometimes wait to use one of the copiers and then usually get mediocre results from the printer. Some films will not print at all at my FHC because they don't have enough contrast and the printer does not like that.
>
>So a couple of weeks ago I saw a couple taking photos of the projection of their film. I decided to try it out with the Tlaltenango marriages film that I am going through (which is a negative so it makes it somewhat trickier) and other than having to hold the camera really steady, it works great. I am posting a couple of the images that I have from that film in the Albums section so people can see.
>
>If anybody would like additional instructions or tips, let me know.

Raymond:

I was taking the pictures at 3 megapixels and they turned out to be way too big so I reduced them in size by 50% and posted a couple of them in the albums section in a folder called Tlaltenango Marriages and Border Crossing Records:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=610

You can see for yourself. The resolution would be much higher had I not shrunk them.

Wow John,

your mom sounds like my mom. She used to get my brother to use the
garden hose to give me "Cuerazos." it terrified me more than hurt. yes
the emotional side of fear leaves an impression.

but yes, was there something about the siblings disciplining other siblings?

there is an oral history story about my grandfather later going and
apologizing to one of his sisters for the way he disciplined her when
they were younger. I imagine that maybe he was apoligizing for being all
to willing to take part, I'm not sure.

I do remember getting a real good one from my Dad one time (and it
wasn't even my fault, I remember peeing myself) so now that I think
about it maybe my mom was using my brother to hit me so she could get
the "value" out of the whipping but at the same time control how much
"damage" was inflicted. When my Dad gave it to me (not often) I knew it.
The violence of those whippings scared everybody.

joseph

John Gonzalez wrote:

>
>A quote from Joseph's message to Natalie:
>
>"Now Natalie, who exactly are we talking about? Can you email me
>privately? I think it's time for the Cinto"
>
>
>Reading about "El cinto" brought back memories of the time when I was a "Muy travieso" little boy and the harsh discipline administered by my parents.
>
>It has been a long time and I don't remember all of the details of what I did, but it must have been something really bad. I remember playing with two cousins, two older sisters, and some neighborhood friends. We were all around five to eight years old. We were playing in our backyard when all of a sudden I heard somebody say: "Here comes your Mom" I turned around and I didn't like what I saw, my Mom, walking rapidly toward me, with the meanest look in her eyes and a rope in one hand. I looked around for a place to run to or a place to hide, no such luck. I knew that was it and I was about to have a new experience in life.
>
>My Mom grabbed me by one arm and dragged me to a tree while she was saying: "I am going to teach a lesson you'll never foreget, I am going to hang you! " I started to cry as I looked around, hoping that somebody would come to my rescue, no such luck. All the other kids were also crying and scared, frozen stiff in place, just waiting to see what was going to happen to me. She took the rope and wrapped it around my WAIST, tied a knot and threw the other end over a limb of the tree. She pulled on the rope, lifting me about a couple of feet off the ground. That's when I died! Of course, at the age, I had no idea that people didn't die hanged by a rope tied around the waist. She must have held me up in the air for a full five or ten seconds, but for me, it was an eternity. The last thing that I remember is seeing the other kids running away in panic, crying out loud. I guess they also thought that I was going to die.
>
> I wasn't physically hurt, just emotionally, which is worse...Was it cruel? Funny? You be the judge.
>
>That incident made quite an impression on me, to the point where I have never forgotten it. My kids laugh out loud when I tell them abou it. It probably shaped my behavior for the rest of my life. From that point on, I was a well behaved and responsible person.
>
>ps: This incident took place in Mexico in the early 1940's.
>
>I have a feeling that this little true story will open a new subject for discussion... Discipline of Hispanics. Who hasn't felt the CINTO ?
>or some other object on their bottom?
>
>John Gonzalez
>Wildomar, CA.
>
>
>1gnzlz@verizon.net

Amen Sister!

You have my full support.

And yes please do complain. From this point forward I want to Privately
know about every single incident.

Another gentle reminder as to how to reply to a digest.

1) If you are on the digest version and want to reply to a specific
message within that Digest here is what to do:
a) copy the piece of the digest that you want to reply to and paste
it into another separate email
b) add your comments related to that message
c) address that email to the appropriate Nuestros Ranchos email
distribution list: Research, General, or Announce

Instructions on how to copy and paste:

1) find the message you want to "copy" and highlight it.
2) go to the top menu and click on edit and look at the options one is
"copy" or on Windows you can click on Ctrl C.
3) open a new email and click in the text area of it and then go up to
edit and pick the "paste" option or on Windows you can use the Ctrl V
combination

PLEASE USE THIS as it will be very important later as we get larger and
more people subscribe to the Digest version. Otherwise what happens is
that the WHOLE digested message gets resent back to the group even if
you are just replying to one small part of that message.

I TOTALLY agree it is a DISASTER. I don't see the offenders since I get
the messages on an Individual basis, so I'm officially making Natalie
part of my Secret Digest police (if she'll accept the post). Whenever
she sees an offending party do this she will send me a private email. I
will then have a private discussion with that person. Oooh, Nuestros
Ranchos starts adding enforcement observers!

Now Natalie, who exactly are we talking about? Can you email me
privately? I think it's time for the Cinto?

joseph

ps: if you see this message come at you twice, well think about it, I'm
trying to make a strong point.

natalie coleman wrote:

>I don't mean to complain - but the General Digest Vol 3 Issue 15 that I received was a DISASTER. It seemed to be filled with a lot of repeitive text that I am sure is clogging up our site. I know Joseph posted some instructions not long ago on how to delete the body of a message before hitting reply to a query, etc. I don't remember what day that was posted (and I couldn't find the message to provide reference here) - but it is a message that may need repeating - and READ CAREFULLY for guidance in this matter - and if you don't understand, then ask for additional help. I am not very good with computer techy stuff, but believe me, if I can do it you can too, it isn't hard to do.
> OK - I'm off the soap box. Have a beautiful day - may you be blessed in the coming weeks with the discovery of new ancestors.
>
> Natalie C. Coleman, Virginia
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Here

jose munoz wrote: "Here"

Hi Arturo!

THANKS! It does fit the time frame, does it not? If this does turn out to
be my ancestor, the document provides me with the name of another
generation!!! I can't wait to get to the Zacatecas film!! :-)

Josie

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:55 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Liendo Senior vs. Junior

Josie:

This arrival would be for Juan Antonio LIENDO, senior since it is before the
birth of the junior. But the time frame seems correct given that you
believe the junior was born around 1700. This Antonio LIENDO came unmarried
to the new world... Guatemala, which is not quite Nueva Espana but very
close and certainly within easy migrating distance to Zacatecas a decade
later...

Furthermore, Catalina DE LA ROSA strikes me (gut instinct) as an indigenous
name... I have run across many a records with DE LA ROSA and DE LA CRUZ and
so forth indicating the person as India/o. Makes sense that they would be
assigned such simple, descriptive names instead of really obscure Basque
names, etc.

I think you are on the right track about his parents marrying in Zacatecas.
If I make it to Salt Lake in October, I will be looking through the
informaciones matrimoniales of the 1600s in Zacatecas and will keep an eye
open.

here!!!!!

You wrote:
"One thing they mentioned is something I have yet to fully investigate.
Seems that Family Tree Maker will hold the two name Spanish style of
Surnaming together in the right order with the use of a slash or
back-slash."

That is very interesting. I don't have family tree maker but it could be
wonderful to have this capability. I'm guessing that you would have to
retype all the surnames from the database. (right now I have them both like
one last name).
Please let me know as soon as you have more information on the subject.
Also, I think Family tree maker allows you to have reports in different
languages.

It is great information
thank you

susana leniski

It sounds like you, Rich and Rosalinda had a very productive trip.
Thank you so much for sharing your time and passion with the rest of us
and helping us out on our searches. I look forward to meeting you and
Rich next week.

As far as the Saint Cristobal Magallanes... his maternal last name is
Jara, not Correa. Rosalinda and Angie have brochures of his genealogy
that they have shared with me and I have been working on tracing back
some of his lineages a bit further. His Magallanes line goes back to an
indigenous family from Momax, Zacatecas. He was a priest in Totatiche
in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I730

One more lead Josie from the Spanish archives:

Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Título DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO
Alcance y Contenido DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO, natural de Bilbao, soltero, hijo de D. Juan de Liendo y de Doña Antonia de Fano, a Guatemala como criado de D. Jacinto de Barrios Leal
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1687-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5540A,L.3,F.142v
Índice(s) Barrios Leal, Jacinto de
Liendo, Antonio de
Liendo, Juan de
Guatemala
Bilbao
Fano, Antonia de
Criado

Josie:

I have uploaded the detail of an 1858 map of Zacatecas showing the surrounding towns and more importantly the mines. It is is the Historical Mexican Maps Album..

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=538

As you will note there were several mines around Zacatecas including Panuco and Veta Grande that are now seperate municipalities. There were also the ranchos of Calera and Guadalupe that are now seperate municipalities as well.

These mines were most active right around the time that you are researching. I think there was a mercury shortage in the early 1700s that caused many of the mines to be closed down since they could not process the ore.

I'm here!