Nuestros Ranchos Site

Welcome back Linda. . .glad you had a good trip but it is always great
to come home.

Congratulations on your new cousin Daniel Mendez. Welcome to the group
Daniel***. If you have any questions or comments don't hesitate to jump
in. I hope you two will be able to work together to advance your
genealogy. Seems that San Jose (my place of birth) is becoming an area
of significant Ranchos activity (well I should say the Northern
California area: Bay Area and Sacramento).

***Linda, can you contact Daniel and tell him that he never replied to
the 3 confirmation emails and thus never got subscribed to the email
lists. I resent them today so he'll have a fresh batch of emails that he
needs to reply to. I'm not sure if he wants to be subscribed as I've
resent them before but he doesn't reply to them. Maybe you can talk to him.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

longsjourney wrote:
> I've been on the road since the end of Sept but have made it a point to read the postings even though I haven't responded. I'm happy to see so many new Spanish speaking members even though I don't read it very well my knowledge is expanding because of them by way of bablefish.. Welcome.
>
> I also want to welcome Daniel Mendez who's gr-grandfather Francisco Mendez was brother to my gr-mother Maria Mendez from Tamazula Jalisco. Because he saw my postings on Ancestry.com he was able to contact me about some serious errors I had made on the Mendez family tree in the 1900's. I took names on old photo's as fact and put them in my records in error. I thank Daniel for taking the time to contact me with the corrections on his family tree. It turned out an unknown photo was Daniels father and older brother taken at my uncles home 20 or so years ago, long before I started working the genealogy of the Mendez family in Tamazula Jalisco.
>
> I'm very happy to be back online in Everett Wa. again
> Linda Castanon-Long

Te felicito por tu interés, es uno que trae muchas satisfacciones y emociones ¿en qué consultas? ¿has consultado en la página fámily search? ¿Hay algún Family History Center donde vives? Es Centro de Historia Familiar, es un centro de consulta y biblioteca. Te envío un saludo y qué bueno que ingresaste a este grupo que es muy serio. Por primer paso deberás enviar lo que tienes de genealogía elaborada o un resumen representativo de esa genealogía.

Celestino Villalobos escribió: Mi nombre es Celestino Alonso Villalobos Esquivel, nací en Nvo Laredo Tamaulipas, a los 23 años aproximadamente emigre a los Estados Unidos donde me case, tengo casi 50 años, lo que significa que tengo viviendo en los Estados Unidos poco menos de 27 años resido en Dallas Texas, donde trabajo en una compañia donde fabrican productos de drenaje de todos tipos, ya en esta compañia tengo 20 años trabajando, tengo cinco hijos el menor se llama como yo, dentro de mi familia soy la persona que más interes tiene en la Historia Familiar, como hace diez años aproximadamente comence a trabajar en la genealogia por el lado materno de mi padre que es Gonzalez-Gonzalez, gracias a unas genealiogias con cuatro lineas genealogicas de mi abuela Manuela Gonzalez Gonzalez, que comprueban que mi padre es o era heredero de unas tierras que venian por linea directa de Francisco Baez de Benavidez y de su esposa Clara Flores,donde
he recolectado los nombres en grupos familiares de la mayoria de
las lineas que estan dentro de mi grupo familiar, por esas cuatro lineas y claro esas lineas me conectan con la crema y nata de la sociedad del Nvo Reino de Leon de los años 1600. Me costaron muchos años de trabajo lograr conectar el apellido Gonzalez de mi abuela, hasta llegar al origen del apellido. Pero por mis limitaciones en el manejo de programas en la computadora me he visto sujeto a comenzar de nuevo, haciendo mi avance muy despacio, pero seguro. Tambien mietras avanzaba por la linea materna de mi padre, por el lado paterno, estaba parado completamente, aunque ya habia iniciado algunas investigaciones por parte del apellido Villalobos, era un avance mucho muy despacio, hasta hace unos dos años que empece a empujar un poco mas fuerte en la investigacion, no me ha ido muy mal por el lado paterno de mi padre, ya que no me quedo parado esperando que las cosas me caigan del cielo, pero reconosco que pelear "uno contra el mundo" es una locura, es por eso necesito unirme
a un grupo serio y sin egoismos, pero un grupo celoso por las cosas que traen satisfaccion al alma, Y me trae mucha satisfaccion saber que mis abuelos vinieron de Leon Guanajuato, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Jalostotitlan y Zacatecas, especialmente de Pinos. Atentamente Celestino Villalobos.

Ed:

There are a number of Unix genealogy programs. I cannot vouch for them as I have not used them but I have a partition on my computer running Ubuntu and can install one or more of them to help you through the process if you like. I am curious to see how good they are:

http://genes.sourceforge.net/

http://gramps-project.org/

Also, if you click on the GEDCOM menu link on the Nuestros Ranchos site, you will see The Next Generation genealogy database software running. This site sits on a Unix server... but the software runs using PHP and MySQL, which are free and can easily be installed on a Unix machine.

Let me know if you need more info or help. I would also like to know what experience you have had with driver support on your UNIX PC. Soon after installing Ubuntu, I discovered that I would not be able to use my computer to its full functionality because there were not drivers for a number of important hardware pieces that I own.

Esa revista que menciona Alejandro Tomas ha publicado un gran numero de articulos sobre la historia novohispana colonial que contienen informacion historica y genealogica importanantisima. Los articulos suelen ser derivados de fuentes primarias (archivos historicos) asi que contienen pistas muy valiosas a fuentes primarias...

Algunos otros articulos interesantes sobre nuestra region:

Mercado de Vino y Mercaderes y Fraude de la Sisa en Zacatecas 1583-1584
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn14/EHN01402.pdf

Zacatecas, Zona Frontera, Segun Los Documentos Inquisitoriales Siglos XVI y XVII
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn08/EHN00807.pdf

Huicot: Antecedentes Misionales (sobre los Huicholes y Cora)
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf

Genesis del Presidio Como Institucion Fronteriza 1569-1600
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00903.pdf

Wow!!! This is a great story, especially for this day! I was in El
Paso 3 weeks ago for a few days and drove by Concordia on the highway.
None of our family is buried there. If they're not in Evergreen,
they're at Ft. Bliss. Marge:)
On Oct 31, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

> On this Day of the Dead, I sent to the editor of the Rootsweb
> Newsletter the following:
>
> I was very interested in the story in the last newsletter about the
> couple whose baby had lost a shoe at a cemetery, and when they went
> looking for the shoe, it was found on the grave they had been looking
> for and had passed by.
>
> I had a similar experience a few years ago when my husband and I went
> went from our home in Washington State to meet his 94 year old aunt in
> El Paso TX. He had not seen this aunt or visited that town in 50
> years, and was surprised that I had found her by calling all the
> people with her husband's name living in that town. I had hoped to
> find a son of hers with the same name. It turned out my husband's
> cousin had died years before, but his Aunt Lola was still alive (and
> still is at 97). We took her to the historic Concordia cemetery in El
> Paso TX where I knew my husband's grandfather Primitivo, Aunt Lola's
> brother-in-law, was buried. She knew that he had been buried in the
> same plot with his mother Marciana, my husband's great-grandmother and
> Lola's mother-in-law that she never knew since Lola had been only a
> small child when Marciana died.
>
> We walked to a large old tree, where Aunt Lola remembered
> "Marcianita's" grave was, but she hadn't been there in years, and was
> having trouble finding it. It was difficult for her to walk around
> the gravelly, scrubby, sandy earth that most cemeteries in the
> Southwest have, and she was using a cane. Everyone with us had split
> up and were walking some distance from the tree, somewhat giving up on
> the notion we would find the grave, but Aunt Lola stood steadfast near
> the tree, saying "I know it is somewhere around here". When I turned
> to look at her, she was resting one elbow on the back of a tall
> headstone. As I approached her from the front of the headstone, my
> eyes were drawn to the name on a small plaque on the worn slab under
> that tall headstone: "Primitivo-----", and above his name, barely
> visible on the older slab due to the wear it had taken from sandstorms
> since 1912 was the name incised on the slab---- "Marciana----".
>
> I felt chills, thinking, Marciana and her son had wanted to be found,
> and caused Aunt Lola to stop and rest her elbow on that stone so that
> we could find them.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----

in the dictionary: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
under "CH" and then under "Chavez" it has this but I don't know if it is
the exact Rancho you are looking for:

"Rancho de la Municipalidad de Monte Escobedo, partido de Jerez, Estado
de Zacatecas"

it also has one listed for Jalisco that is close to Sayula

joseph

Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know where Rancho de Los Chaves was located in Zacatecas in 1836?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---

If there is no person listed in the "Borrower" column next to a film number in the database that means that no member has the film on indefinite loan.

The database serves two purposes:

1. Provide batch numbers by locality with direct link to familysearch.org to search a given batch number (the case of the film of which you inquire)

2. Allow members to "share" the films which they have on indefinite loan by putting their names next to films for which they are willing to do lookups.

Some films will have both a batch number and a borrower name, others only one or the other. The film of which you inquire was entered only because somebody had the batch number but not the film on loan.

okay I thought maybe you had a bit of "oral history" or some stories
that led you to believe that Zacatecas was your location. It's going to
take some real digging to work from the Zacatecas side AND the NL side
trying to match them up. Deeper than I know how to investigate without
investing tons of time. But investigations like that sometimes do work
out if you have evidence that the Saldivar Name originated in Mexico
from Zacatecas (I don't know but just speculating). Maybe some research
on the Name. Here is some information you can try to access at this site:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/ZZ/fza7_print.html
or http://www.smu.edu/swcenter/zald%C3%ADvar.htm

*ZALDÍVAR, VICENTE DE* (ca. 1573-?). Vicente de Zaldívar, the younger,
Spanish explorer and soldier, was probably born in Zacatecas, a mining
town on the frontier of northern Mexico, about 1573. He and Juan de
Zaldívar^qv were sons of Vicente de Zaldívar, the elder, and Magdalena
de Mendoza y Salazar. Through a series of marriages, the Zaldívar and
Oñate families of Zacatecas had become so intricately related that Juan
de Oñate,^qv the future colonizer of New Mexico, was both uncle and
second cousin to the Zaldívar brothers, and he later became the
father-in-law of Vicente. In September 1595 Juan de Oñate received a
royal contract to colonize New Mexico, and he began immediately to
recruit officers and men. He enlisted his young kinsmen in his command.
Vicente de Zaldívar received the position of /sargento mayor/, a rank
below that of his brother, Juan. Through no fault of Oñate's, final
approval of his contract by the king's agent did not come until early
1598. The expedition's point of departure was the frontier town of Santa
Bárbara, situated near the headwaters of the Río Conchos in southern
Chihuahua. On previous occasions Spaniards en route to New Mexico had
followed the Conchos to its confluence with the Rio Grande and then
proceeded upstream along the course of the larger river to the province.
This circuitous route had the advantage of ample water along the way.
But Oñate, made impatient by delays, sought a shortcut and ordered a
reconnaissance to that end by Vicente de Zaldívar. Zaldívar, at the head
of a small party, spent nearly a month in the field, but he returned
with knowledge of a more direct route, which afforded some water,
through formidable sand dunes. Following the new trail blazed by
Zaldívar, the full expedition reached "El Paso," the ford in the Rio
Grande, on May 4, 1598. It then continued along the course of the river
to New Mexico.

By the fall of 1598 Spanish settlers in New Mexico had become sorely
disappointed by the lack of readily exploitable wealth. Zaldívar, with
apparent talent for pathfinding, was dispatched to reconnoiter the
buffalo plains of eastern New Mexico and western Texas. It seems
unlikely, however, that he reached the present borders of Texas. Shortly
after his return with ample supplies of buffalo jerky, Juan de Zaldívar
was killed in an Indian revolt atop the great rock at Acoma. Oñate
promoted Vicente to his deceased brother's position of /maestre de
campo/ and ordered him to subdue the Acomas. In January 1599 Vicente de
Zaldívar crushed the Acoma revolt. He later participated in the trial
and drastic punishment of surviving Acomas. After his command ended in
New Mexico Zaldívar returned to Zacatecas, where before 1620 he married
Juan de Oñate's daughter, María de Oñate. They had at least one son. In
1626 Zaldívar was admitted to the prestigious military order of
Santiago. He prospered for some years in the silver mine business but
then suffered financial losses in the 1630s. The circumstances of his
death are not known, but he was deceased by 1650.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Herbert Eugene Bolton, ed., /Spanish Exploration in the
Southwest, 1542-1706/ (New York: Scribner, 1908; rpt., New York: Barnes
and Noble, 1959). Donald E. Chipman, "The Oñate-Moctezuma-Zaldívar
Families of Northern New Spain," /New Mexico Historical Review/ 52
(October 1977). George P. Hammond and Agapito Rey, eds., /Don Juan de
Oñate: Colonizer of New Mexico, 1595-1628/ (Santa Fe: Patalacio, 1927;
rpt., Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1953). Gaspar Pérez
de Villagrá, /Historia de la Nueva México/, 1610; trans. Gilberto
Espinosa as /A History of New Mexico/ (Los Angeles: Quivira Society,
1933; rpt., Chicago: Rio Grande Press, 1962). Marc Simmons, /The Last
Conquistador: Juan de Oñate and the Settling of the Far Southwest/
(Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1991).

/Donald E. Chipman/

*The following, adapted from the /Chicago Manual of Style/, 15th
edition, is the preferred citation for this article.*

/Handbook of Texas Online/, s.v. ","
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/ZZ/fza7.html
(accessed November 15, 2006).

(NOTE: "s.v." stands for sub verbo, "under the word.")

I'm not sure where they are getting this information. . .maybe others
would know if that is where the name originated from, not sure:

*http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/zaldivar-coat-arms.htm*

The surname Zaldivar comes from the place name Saldaña, which is located
in Leon.

Spelling variations include: Saldaña, Saldana, Zaldaña, Zaldana and others.

First found in the former Kingdom of Leon.

Some of the first settlers of this name or some of its variants were:
Gregorio de Saldana and Francisco de Saldana, who arrived in 1517.
Hipolito de Saldana arrived in Spanish America in 1534. Juan de Saldana
settled in Peru in 1560.

(Above is a small excerpt from our 1800 word history)

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joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Welester wrote:
> Greetings and Salutations to all ,
>
> My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I hail from Los Angeles , California now living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here almost six yrs. ago to spend one year looking for family and to continue my family search .
>
> My family names on my fathers' side consist of : Alvarado , Almaguer , Trevino , Garza , Saldivar , Tamez and a few others . At the moment Im looking for a connection between my gggrandmothers side .
>
> Her name was Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez , born in Villa de Santiago , N.L. Her parents were Juan Jose Saldivar from Saltillo , Coahuila .
>
> >From there I don't have anymore info . I found in some of John Inclans family names a Vicente Zaldivar from Zacatecas and further reading I found several Saldivars in Monterrey . So, Im trying to find the connecting point between the families in Zacatecas to the families in Monterrey or Villa de Santiago .
>
> I did find some Saldivars in the book " INDEX TO THE MARRIAGE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE DIOCES OF GUADALAJARA . Agustin Saldivar , Joseph Antonio Saldivar , Joseph Gregorio Saldivar and a few others . All of which ended up in Monterrey .
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated .
>
> Welester

Maureen's file is located under her name in the members genealogies area
of the files at: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15147

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Hello, I am Maureen Bejar and I have two new files located in members files.
>
> The first is the Alviso line from Nuestra Senora de La Asuncion, San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe. This includes surnames of Alviso, Gonzales, Dias, Sanchez, Paulin, Araujo, Garcia, Alvares, Ortiz, Vasques, Gallardo and Becerra.
>
> The second is the Jauregui line from Valle de Guadalupe with surnames of Jauregui, Gutierres and Gonzales.