The http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project has several new audio
file links this month. In the Comida section please listen to the Here
On Earth podcasts of "Food of the Americas" and "Corn." In the Coyote
While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).
Arturo,
Ana de Banuelos and Vicente Saldivar are my direct ancestors. Marge:)
On Oct 22, 2006, at 4:36 PM, arturoramos wrote:
>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the
> earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I
> have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the
> film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM
> database in a tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of
> the entries do not include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you
> an idea of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608
> Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz de Arelano 25 Jan 1606
> Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605
> Diego Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608
> Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez 1609
> ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607
> Miguel Ceton Beatriz de Armenta 2 Sep 1609
> Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607
> Juan Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607
> Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana Antes 1607
> Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607
> Pedro Alcaraz Juana de Paras Antes 1608
> Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607
> Hernan Arguelo Maria de Navarete Antes 1608
> Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609
> Ana de Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609
> Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco 28 Apr 1608
> Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608
> Juan de Condamafea Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605
Marge:
That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a couple of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want to make sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been done.
Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.
Arturo and Marge:
Vicente de Saldivar and Ana de Banuelos are also in my direct lineage. My
source for their marriage is:
"Fundadores de Nueva Galicia-Guadalajara, Tomo 1" by Garmendia Leal, Pg.
144.
Another source: sources of marriage and death info are John Inclan's
genealogy. Inclan also states: "He was the nephew and second cousin to Juan
de Onate, the founder of New Mexico. He was the conqueror of the Acoma
Indians of New Mexico and held the title "Maese de Campo". In 1626 he was
admitted to the prestigious military order of Santiago. Inclan's sources:
"Historia de la Nueva Mexico-1610" by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, pg XXVIII &
XXX. Also: "The Last Conquistador-Juan de Onate and the Settling of the Far
Southwest" by Marc Simmons. Also: "With All Arms-A Study of a Kindred
Group" by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Source: History of Texas Online, from the book by Geo. P. Hammond, pg 788,
"Don Juan de Onate, Colonizer of New Mexico". "On Dec. 11, 1601m at the
pueblo of San Gabriel, New Mexico, the Maese de Campo, Vicente de Saldivar
presented as witness before Gov. Don Juan de Onate, the reverend Father,
Fray Francisco de Velasco, of the order of St. Francis and guardian of the
convent of this pueblo. The priest swore that he had known the Maese de
Campo, Don Vicente de Saldivar, and this heknew that he was the legitimate
son of Don Vicente de Saldivar and Dona Magdalena de Mendoza; that his
father had been the viceroy's lieutenant general during the peace time in
Zacatecas, Nueva Galicia. This statement was signed by Don Juan de Onate,
Fray Francisco de Velasco and notarized by Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra.
On 14 May 1602 in Mexico City, Petition of the Maese de Campo, Vicente de
Zaldivar Mendoza reads: Mighty Lord, I, Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza, your
Maese de Campo general in the provinces and Kingdoms of New Mexico, state
that I came to this court by order of the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, who
is also your governor and captain general of the said provinces and
kingdoms, and by order of your viceroy in Mexico, to inform your highness of
the state of affairs of the said conquest, in regard to which the viceroy
and the audiencia of Mexico made investigations in order that it might thus
be better understood, and, at my behest, testimony was taken before the said
royal audiencia which I am presenting with this letter in order that it may
be considered, together with all the other papers. I beg and entreat your
highness to place these papers with those sent by the viceroy and audiencia
of Mexico in order that the most fitting measures may be taken for the royal
service of your highness as soon as possible. This is essential both because
of the importance of this business and because of the great danger in which
the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, was left owing to the small number of
people in his garrison and town of San Gabriel, and in order to prevent the
Indians of the larger settlements from getting arms or uniting and marching
on the place where the governor is, which may be feared if the Indians
should hear of the small force under the command of the adelantado. Should
this happen, all the effort and expense, as well as the great services which
the adelantado has rendered to your highness, would be lost. So, I request
justice, and so forth. Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza. . (Original
document is at the Archivo General de Indias, Seville, Spain. "Don Juan de
Onate-Colonizer of Ne Mexico 1595-1628" by Geo. P. Hammond; "Portraits of
Basques in the New World" edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima
Echeverria; "Rio del Norte" by Carroll L. Riley.
Josie in San Antonio
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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:00 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s
Marge:
That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a couple
of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente
Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want to make
sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been
done.
Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.
Hi, Cousins! Marge:)
On Oct 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:
> Arturo and Marge:
>
> Vicente de Saldivar and Ana de Banuelos are also in my direct lineage.
> My
> source for their marriage is:
> "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia-Guadalajara, Tomo 1" by Garmendia Leal,
> Pg.
> 144.
>
> Another source: sources of marriage and death info are John Inclan's
> genealogy. Inclan also states: "He was the nephew and second cousin to
> Juan
> de Onate, the founder of New Mexico. He was the conqueror of the Acoma
> Indians of New Mexico and held the title "Maese de Campo". In 1626 he
> was
> admitted to the prestigious military order of Santiago. Inclan's
> sources:
> "Historia de la Nueva Mexico-1610" by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, pg
> XXVIII &
> XXX. Also: "The Last Conquistador-Juan de Onate and the Settling of
> the Far
> Southwest" by Marc Simmons. Also: "With All Arms-A Study of a Kindred
> Group" by Carl Laurence Duaine.
>
> Source: History of Texas Online, from the book by Geo. P. Hammond, pg
> 788,
> "Don Juan de Onate, Colonizer of New Mexico". "On Dec. 11, 1601m at the
> pueblo of San Gabriel, New Mexico, the Maese de Campo, Vicente de
> Saldivar
> presented as witness before Gov. Don Juan de Onate, the reverend
> Father,
> Fray Francisco de Velasco, of the order of St. Francis and guardian of
> the
> convent of this pueblo. The priest swore that he had known the Maese
> de
> Campo, Don Vicente de Saldivar, and this heknew that he was the
> legitimate
> son of Don Vicente de Saldivar and Dona Magdalena de Mendoza; that his
> father had been the viceroy's lieutenant general during the peace time
> in
> Zacatecas, Nueva Galicia. This statement was signed by Don Juan de
> Onate,
> Fray Francisco de Velasco and notarized by Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra.
>
> On 14 May 1602 in Mexico City, Petition of the Maese de Campo, Vicente
> de
> Zaldivar Mendoza reads: Mighty Lord, I, Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza,
> your
> Maese de Campo general in the provinces and Kingdoms of New Mexico,
> state
> that I came to this court by order of the adelantado, Don Juan de
> Onate, who
> is also your governor and captain general of the said provinces and
> kingdoms, and by order of your viceroy in Mexico, to inform your
> highness of
> the state of affairs of the said conquest, in regard to which the
> viceroy
> and the audiencia of Mexico made investigations in order that it might
> thus
> be better understood, and, at my behest, testimony was taken before
> the said
> royal audiencia which I am presenting with this letter in order that
> it may
> be considered, together with all the other papers. I beg and entreat
> your
> highness to place these papers with those sent by the viceroy and
> audiencia
> of Mexico in order that the most fitting measures may be taken for the
> royal
> service of your highness as soon as possible. This is essential both
> because
> of the importance of this business and because of the great danger in
> which
> the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, was left owing to the small number
> of
> people in his garrison and town of San Gabriel, and in order to
> prevent the
> Indians of the larger settlements from getting arms or uniting and
> marching
> on the place where the governor is, which may be feared if the Indians
> should hear of the small force under the command of the adelantado.
> Should
> this happen, all the effort and expense, as well as the great services
> which
> the adelantado has rendered to your highness, would be lost. So, I
> request
> justice, and so forth. Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza. . (Original
> document is at the Archivo General de Indias, Seville, Spain. "Don
> Juan de
> Onate-Colonizer of Ne Mexico 1595-1628" by Geo. P. Hammond; "Portraits
> of
> Basques in the New World" edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima
> Echeverria; "Rio del Norte" by Carroll L. Riley.
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturoramos
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:00 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s
>
>
> Marge:
>
> That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a
> couple
> of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente
> Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want
> to make
> sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been
> done.
>
> Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.
Arturo,
Melchora Abrego and Pedro Flores are my direct ancestors. Was there other information available on the marriage investigation like parents or place of birth or were they listed as veciinos? I am descended from their son Nicolas.
THanks,
--
Esther
-------------- Original message from arturoramos : --------------
>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the earliest
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I have begun extracting
> all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the film) through 1628 (when the
> film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM database in a
> tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of the entries do not
> include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you an idea
> of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608
> Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz de Arelano 25 Jan 1606
> Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605
> Diego Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608
> Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez 1609
> ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607
> Miguel Ceton Beatriz de Armenta 2 Sep 1609
> Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607
> Juan Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607
> Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana Antes 1607
> Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607
> Pedro Alcaraz Juana de Paras Antes 1608
> Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607
> Hernan Arguelo Maria de Navarete Antes 1608
> Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609
> Ana de Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609
> Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco 28 Apr 1608
> Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608
> Juan de Condamafea Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605
Esther:
I have transcribed (as best I could) the entire entry off the film and it is available in the GEDCOM database. If you search under Melchora Abrego you will find your entry for her and my entry for her.
Where did you find these people? I am thinking that this has already been transcribed somewhere but cannot figure out where since just bits and pieces show up in various compiled genealogies. Perhaps Gramendia-Leal or Inclan have transcriptions that they have not shared with the general public?
Esther and Arturo,
I made a copy of that entry in SLC because they are my direct ancestors
also.....I descend directly from their son Juan Flores de Abrego.....this
line ties in with my Trevino lineage when they use the Abrego and Trevino
names within the same family.....quite confusing sometimes~!
Esther, the original entry does not state anything about parents or place of
birth. The only other info they state is that the padrinos were "Juan de
Montalvo and Dona Ma. Delanga (?) su mujer de esta cuidad." Most of the
entries at this time on this film did not contain info on parents, etc.
Esther......I am getting ready to leave tomorrow (again!) but will return
next week......I will work on the info I said I would send you.....please be
patient with me! :-) My problema is that I have been AWAY from home MORE
than I am at home!
Will keep in touch!
Josie in San Antonio
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eaherold@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:54 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s
Arturo,
Melchora Abrego and Pedro Flores are my direct ancestors. Was there other
information available on the marriage investigation like parents or place of
birth or were they listed as veciinos? I am descended from their son
Nicolas.
THanks,
--
Esther
-------------- Original message from arturoramos :
--------------
>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the
> earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I
> have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the
> film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM
> database in a tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of
> the entries do not include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you
> an idea of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608 Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz
> de Arelano 25 Jan 1606 Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605 Diego
> Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608 Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez
> 1609 ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607 Miguel Ceton Beatriz de
> Armenta 2 Sep 1609 Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607 Juan
> Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607 Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana
> Antes 1607 Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607 Pedro Alcaraz
> Juana de Paras Antes 1608 Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607 Hernan Arguelo Maria de
> Navarete Antes 1608 Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609 Ana de
> Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609 Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco
> 28 Apr 1608 Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608 Juan de Condamafea
> Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605
Hola a todos
Me gustaría subir mi gedcom para compartirlo y ver si hay alguien más con intereses comunes debido a los apellidos que pueda contener.
Jose de Loza
(English below)
Jose, y cualquier otra persona que quiera compartir sus investigaciones a traves de GEDCOM:
Lo primero que tienes que hacer es simplemente ingresar al sitio y hacer clik al menu "GEDCOM" en la parte superior de la pagina. Esto creara una cuenta para ti en esa base de datos que te dara aceso para leer pero no montar archivos.
Luego, escribenos a moderator (arroba) nuestrosranchos.org y dejanos saber que lo haz hecho y que quieres montar tu GEDCOM, o bien no lo mandas adjunto. Luego te daremos acceso para montar archivos e instrucciones mas especificas, o bien te lo montaremos.
For Jose and anybody else that would like to share their research via a GEDCOM file:
The first thing you must do is simply log on to the website and click on the GEDCOM menu item at the top of the page. This will create an account for you in that database and give you access to read other GEDCOMs but not upload your own.
You will then need to write us at moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org and tell us that you have created an account in the GEDCOM database and would like to upload a GEDCOM, or simply email us the file. We will then give you uploading privileges and give you more specific instructions or upload the file for you.
I am finally back in San Antonio and trying to get "back to normal" after
spending a wonderful week at the FHC in SLC meeting some great people~!
Meeting with Kitty and Rich Cortez as well as with Arturo Ramos, Lydia
Hi, Josie,
I'm sorry I haven't got back to you, but I was really under the weather from the pneumonia vaccine I had last week
Only thing I have to report is that I sent Mira the return receipt letter last Wed. and haven't received the P.O. receipt. I also sent her and her husband the letter by regular mail on Fri. .She didn't show up for her family reunion on Sat. She has til Nov. 2 to return everything or we go to the JP. We have our fingers crossed.
Sara
"Josie T. Trevino" wrote:
I am finally back in San Antonio and trying to get "back to normal" after
spending a wonderful week at the FHC in SLC meeting some great people~!
Meeting with Kitty and Rich Cortez as well as with Arturo Ramos, Lydia
Corona and her friend Becky, Ulla, Jonathan and a lot of other people made
this trip a success for me!
Although the presentations were made in Spanish they spoke it slow enough to
allow me to understand it. I had a conversation with George Ryskamp and his
wife Peggy as well as with Ruth Gomez Schirmacher on Saturday evening. They
asked my opinion of the event and I suggested that they consider having the
same presentations in ENGLISH as well as in Spanish next year. I explained
to them that our "Nuestros Group" is bilingual but that there are a lot of
us who prefer English. I also made this comment on the "feedback" sheets
they passed out after some of the presentations. Mr. Ryskamp and his wife
listened to my suggestion and I believe they will consider it. I plan to
keep in touch with them regarding this. They explained to me that there are
a lot of things to be considered in order to make this possible but I
believe that it can be worked out......somehow!
I also suggested that more emphasis be placed on "Research in Mexico" which
is the focal point for a lot of us before we can make the "big jump over the
pond" to Spain. Mr. Ryskamp presented wonderful presentations on Spain
research but I feel that more focus on Mexico would be profitable for me.
All in all it was a wonderful opportunity for us to learn more from the
"best"..........
Another great presenter was Lynn Turner who presented "Genealogia Mexicana
en el Internet" and had a great handout. I can send this list to the group
if anyone is interested........just let me know. Mr. Turner has the
website: www.hispanicroots.net and is very helpful.
The past month has been filled with great things for me........spending time
with my daughter Kim and her family from Switzerland, seeing my newest
grand child again and experiencing her "two new teeth" with her.......as
well as the fussiness and fever that accompanies it! :-) Spending time
with my fellow researchers in SLC and meeting all of them in person was a
wonderful experience that I hope to repeat next year if possible.
If anyone has any suggestions that I can pass on to Mr. Ryskamp and Ms.
Schirmacher please let me know.
Josie in San Antonio
For those of you who are interested, at http://www.rootstelevision.com/ there is a interview of George Ryskamp, on Hispanic Roots. The interview has 4 parts.
Jonathan
Jonathan......thanks for providing the website on George Ryskamp's
interview. I went to it and thoroughly enjoyed listening to him. He
touched on some of the topics he discussed at the Hispanic Conference on Oct
14th. Again, thanks for sending the website!
Josie in San Antonio
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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:15 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] George Ryskamp Interview
For those of you who are interested, at http://www.rootstelevision.com/
there is a interview of George Ryskamp, on Hispanic Roots. The interview
has 4 parts.
Jonathan
Alice,
Below is the interpretation of Tomas Alejandro's message; I cannot call it a translation because I am not fluent in Spanish as are Tomas, Arturo, etc.
Emilie
Hi, Ricardo,
It is a great pleasure that you wrote to me and to know that we share the same interests in genealogy and in our dear Pueblo el Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.
Emilie, Wow! What a tour de force! Thank you so much. I know others appreciate it, too. Alice
--- auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com wrote:
From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] For Alice BB - Interpretation of Tomas' Message
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:34:49 -0700
Alice,
Below is the interpretation of Tomas Alejandro's message; I cannot call it a translation because I am not fluent in Spanish as are Tomas, Arturo, etc.
Emilie
Hi, Ricardo,
It is a great pleasure that you wrote to me and to know that we share the same interests in genealogy and in our dear Pueblo el Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.
You tell me that you weren't born there. Tell me where you were born, where you live, and what you are involved in at the moment.
Thanks also for the genealogy you found; I think it is the one I sent myself to a world genealogy project about 6 or 7 years ago, that they present to you as a project not costing anything and that will be available publicly. I sent them what I had investigated up to that time, with great hopes that in truth it was a database open to the public, but it appeared that that was not possible and always there is that economic interest on their part, and all that information I sent (and I am sure they did this also with others) now appears in a private database and if you want to access it, you have to pay, with the respect that they take advantage of my trust and that of others in order to make themselves rich. I hope that at least they have the decency to give me credit for the information as the author of the research and the submission of that information. Maybe you can tell me, since it appears you paid for the information, I hope that at least they give me a mention, al
though I
have no knowledge of the commercial aspects, since I sent them the information with the hope that they were a public site and that anyone could consult and contribute to a world-wide genealogical database.
Exactly what is that database that you can access, where you say they have lots of information about Los Altos de Jalisco and how much does it cost to access it?
I am sending a copy of this e-mail to Monica Lynn Gonzales Ponce the webmaster of Valle de Guadalupe.com, to which I give thanks also for contacting me and putting me in touch with you. How nice that there exist several sites dedicated to El Valle de Guadalupe.
With respect to my parentage from Jose Isavel Villegas Franco and his sons Rigoberto and Cornelio, I wish to tell you that he is my cousin in the second degree, and his sons would be my nephews, since the father of Jose Isabel was the deceased Zeferino Villegas Gomez, first cousin of my father, and the father of Zeferino was my great uncle Jose Blas Villegas Navarro, brother of my grandfather Francisco. I do not have the pleasure of knowing Jose Isavel and his sons and I would like very much to know them, and get their information to complete my genealogy. I don't know if you can give me the information in order for me to contact them. It is strange that Jose Isabel is my cousin since he was born in 1938; he is almost the same age as my father who was born in 1932, but that is the way it is. There are many members of the Villegas family whose surname is Villegas Franco since three sons of my great uncle Blas Villegas are: Zeferino, Marcelino and Jose Luis. They marrie
d three
sisters: Simona, Mariana, and Elisea Franco Gomez, and from what I have heard (I don't have all his genealogy) they were very prolific marital unions, since each had a minimum of twelve children. In general, all the children of my uncle Blas (whose first marriage to Mariana Gomez resulted in 8 sons and not one daughter, a good thing for the continuation of the surname Villegas), had many children and descendants; like I said, all had a minimum of 12 children.
For certain I have doubts that I would like to resolve, and I would like to see if you or someone else reading this can help me. I have not found all the baptism records for the brothers of my uncle Francisco; I want to one day go to the parish of the Capilla de Guadalupe, that has recently been made a municipality in Jalisco, and I have to do it directly because shamefully the Parish of the Capilla de Guadalupe and of the Canadas de Obregon have not been microfilmed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), thus they are not available in the Family History Centers.
My great-grandfather Tomas Villegas Flores (in whose honor they named my father and I was named for both of them) appears to have baptized his children in the Capilla de Guadalupe, since it appears it was closer than El Terrero and closer than La Llave where he lived, so say my father and his brothers. It seems my great-grandparents Tomas Villegas and Paula Navarro had 18 or 19 children; this number seems a little exaggerated to me and I was told of the following children: Jose Blas, Modesto, Jose, Antonio, Regino, Francisco, Maria, Isabel, Merced, Francisca, Serapia all that my father and his brothers know of and mention. I also have found the baptism records of Jose Tereso de Jesus who was baptized the 15th of October of 1873 in the Capilla de Gadalupe, 5 months after the marriage of my great-grandparents Tomas and Paula, and I deduce that this marriage was one of urgency since my great-grandmother was four months pregnant when they married. The godparents of this fir
st child
were my great-great-grandparents Jose Felix Navarro Bandin and his wife Guillerma Franco Gomez, parents of Paula. It seems this first child died as an infant, and I still have to find his death record. I also found the birth record of Maximiano on the 29th of May, 1881, who also seems to have died in infancy, thus I only have references for 13 children, and it is correct that my father and uncles say that references to 5 or 6 others are missing.
I also would like to solve the mystery that at the minimum three of the brothers, Jose, Regino and Antonio Vellegas Navarro left to work and live in the United States in the decade of the 1920s approximately, and since then nothing was known of them, nor where they went to live, nor how many children they had, nor when they died, nothing, absolutely nothing, so far away from their family and the land that gave them birth, and that is another of my anxieties to know what happened to these three uncles, where they lived and died in the United States and if they have descendants so I can contact them. Perhaps you or someone who reads this can tell me how to find out the destiny of these three great-uncles in the United States.
Later I will send the old photos, inherited from my grandmother Mucia Gutierrez Ramirez de Villagas so that they can be seen publicly to see if someone recognizes them and can identify the people in the photos.
You also tell me that you have several books on genealogy. Could you give me the titles of the books you have? I want to tell you that for several months I have been a member of the group and site Genealogia, which initially was dedicated to the genealogy of Northern Mexico, principally Nuevo Leon, but has now been extended to include all the regions. The website is: http://www.genealogia.org.mx and it would be an honor to have you join the discussion forum. God willing you will become a member and we can count on your amiable presence and knowledge. Through this forum I found out that Dr. Don Marinao Gonzalez Leal, great historian and genealogist, which you must know about, now uses the internet and he is subscribed to the group Genealogia Mexico on Yahoo, to which I recently subscribed in order to contact Don Mariano and which I tell you about in case you want to subscribe. The link is the following: http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/genmex/
Greetings from Guadalajara; I await your response:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
I have discovered an easier way to search for things on LDS and would like to share.
go to www.familysearch.org
type in a name for example FName: Calixto LName: Alviso (but you may use any name)
Linda,
I think there are some services where you can copy and paste what you want translated, and they will have a trained translator do an exact translation in good proper English, but you have to wait for them to get back to you. Some of them also want to charge you for the service.
Emilie,
A translation would be welcome not only by Linda and myself, but I suspect by many others. While I am completely bilingual, I am by no means biliterate on an academic level. My first language and education through Master's Degree is in English. When I come across long messages in Spanish, I'm sure I miss important information because I don't have the time/patience with the formalities and flowery language to refer to a dictionary, and only scan for relevant names and places. Again, a to the point translation would be welcome. Alice
--- auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com wrote:
From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Babelfish Translation
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:37:00 -0700
Linda,
I think there are some services where you can copy and paste what you want translated, and they will have a trained translator do an exact translation in good proper English, but you have to wait for them to get back to you. Some of them also want to charge you for the service.
I don't speak Spanish myself (can't think fast enough on my feet to respond), but I do pretty good in reading it and other languages like French, Italian, Portuguese which are similar. I do need to use the English-Spanish dictionary for the occasional word. You might also e-mail Tomas Alejandro and ask him to send you privately an English translation. I have seen the messages he posted to the genealogy message boards in English, and they were very good, probably better than I can post them in Spanish. (Te das cuenta, Tomas Alejandro?) He apologizes for his English, but he doesn't need to.
He is highly educated, and I notice that like most educated people in Mexico he takes 10 words to say what a less educated person would say in less. Anyway, that is the way it sounds to me. His style is highly formal, as it is amongst most proper users of the Castellan language in Mexico. It is a very flowery language, full of proper introductions, taking leave, compliments, etc. We Americans are very blunt and terse by comparison. I was once told by our Mexican translator at work that we Mexican-Americans were very rude, that we would walk in an exam room and not introduce ourselves, shake hands, or not make small talk to put the patient at ease, etc. Americans don't do that. In Mexico, the various classes are very polite to each other, I think that is the way they keep their distance, by being very formal. I hope I don't get any stink here; it is just my opinion.
I will send a private e-mail to you with my interpretation (not a literal translation) of what Tomas Alejandro said in his e-mail, and it won't be perfect, but it will be an enormous improvement over Babelfish, which I never use due to the substitutions of words that don't make any sense. I am willing to interpret for you anytime you wish. And you are not illiterate, like you said.
Saludos desde Port Orchard, Washington,
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda R Romero
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17
I have tried Babelfish translations and as an example I have come up
with the following translation of the message below. Does anyone
have a better method of translating? This loses me. I'm sure no one
is talking about a tapeworm.
Hello Ricardo: It is an enormous taste that you write to me and
knowledge that we share such I interest, on gelealogia familiar and
our beloved town the Valley of Guadalupe, Jalisco. You say that you
were not born alli like I, cuentame to me where you were born and in
where you live and to that you dedicate yourself at the moment.
Thanks also for genealogiua that you found, apparently are what the
project of arbol commands to i myself to the a genealogico world-
wide, does or like 6 or 7 a?os, that you raises it as if outside a
project outside economico interest and which is going to be available
publicamente, I send to them what tapeworm investigated in that time,
with great ilusion of which in truth it was an open data base
publicamente, but so seems that that is not possible and the
economico interest is always followed, and all those data that
command (and surely asi did it with much but people) now estan in a
private data base and if you want to accede to her you must pay, with
the due respect which little mmmm, take advantage of the good faith
mia and of other people to become rich, I hope that although it is
have the desencia to give to my data like author of the investigation
and envio of those data, you...
Please, a little help for the illiterate.
Linda
I have tried Babelfish translations and as an example I have come up
with the following translation of the message below. Does anyone
have a better method of translating? This loses me. I'm sure no one
Linda:
I can see where your frustration trying to read the botched translation arises. A tenia (without the accent on the I) is a tapeworm where ten'ia (with the accent) is the imperfect first person for "have" as in "I sent all that I had investigated at that time".
I tried doing the translation in Google translator and got pretty similar results.
I wish there was something more that we could do to make the site bilingual but as far as free resources, I think we are tapped out with those imperfect online translators.
Hola Webmasters:
Felicidades por su pagina elvalledeguadalupe.com, sigan adelante con
su esfuerzo.
Segun lei en su pagina, ustedes son: Anabel Rodriguez de Barba y
Monica Gonzalez Ponce,
Hola Ricardo:
Es un gusto enorme que me escribas y saber que compartamos los mismos
intereses, sobre la gelealogia familiar y nuestro querido pueblo el Valle de
Guadalupe,
Jalisco.
Me dices que no naciste alli como yo, cuentame donde naciste y en
donde vives
y a que te dedicas actualmente.
Gracias tambien por la genealogiua que encontraste, al parecer es lo
que
mande yo mismo al al proyecto del arbol genealogico mundial, hace ya como
6 o 7 años, que te lo plantean como si fuera un proyecto fuera de interes
economico y que va a estar disponible publicamente, yo les mande lo que
tenia
investigado en ese tiempo, con gran ilusion de que en verdad fuera una base
de datos abierta publicamente, pero tal parece que eso no es posible y
siempre se sigue el interes economico, y todos esos datos que mande
(y seguramente asi lo hicieron con mucha mas gente) ahora estan en una
base de datos privada y si quieres acceder a ella tienes que pagar, con el
debido respeto que poca mmmm, se aprovechan de la buena fe mia y de
otras personas para enriquecerse, espero que aunque sea tengan la desencia
de dar mis datos como autor de la investigacion y el envio de esos datos,
puedes tu decirmelo, ya que al parecer tu pagaste para poder ver los datos,
dime si alli mencionan que yo fui el que mando los datos, espero que aunque
sea me mencionen, aunque no estoy de acuerdo que lo comercialicen, ya que
yo les envie los datos con la ilusion de que fueran de dominio publico y que
cualquier persona los pudiera consultar y contribuir con el conocimiento
genealogico a nivel mundial.
Por cierto cual es esa base de datos a la que tu puedes acceder, donde
dices que hay muchos datos de Los Altos de Jalisco y cuanto cuesta acceder
a ella?.
Le estoy enviando copia de este e-mail a Monica Lynn Gonzalez Ponce
la webmaster de la pagina de el Valle de Guadalupe.com, a la cual le doy
gracias tambien por comunicarse conmigo y ponerme en contacto contigo,
que bueno que existan varias paginas dedicadas a El Valle de Guadalupe.
Con respecto con mi parentesco con Jose Isabel Villegas Franco y sus
hijos Rigoberto y Cornelio, te comento que viene siendo mi primo en segundo
grado, y sus hijos serian mis sobrinos, ya que el Padre de Jose Isabel fue
el
difunto Zeferino Villegas Gomez, primo hermano de mi papa, y el padre de
Zeferino fue mi tio Abuelo Jose Blas Villegas Navarro, hermano de mi abuelo
Francisco, yo no tengo el gusto de conocer a Jose Isabel y sus hijos y me
gustaria mucho conocerlos, y tomarles sus datos para completar mi
Genealogia,
no se si tu me puedas dar sus datos para ponerme en contacto con ellos, es
curioso que Jose Isabel sea mi primo ya que nacio en 1938, es casi de la
edad
de mi padre que nacio en 1932, pero asi es, hay muchisimos miembros de la
familia Villegas que se apellidan Villegas Franco ya que tres hijos de mi
Tio
Abuelo Blas Villegas que son: Zeferino, Marcelino y Jose Luis se casaron con
3 hermanas: Simona, Mariana y Elisea Franco Gómez y segun se por comentarios
(ya que no tengo toda su genealogia) fueron matrimonios muy prolificos, ya
que
tubieron minimo 12 hijos cada uno, en genearal casi todos los hijos de mi
tio Blas
(que en su primer matrimonio con Mariana Gomez tubo 8 hijos varones y
ninguna
mujer, cosa muy buena para la continuacion del apellido Villegas) tubieron o
tienen
mucha familia o descendencia, casi todos como dije minimo 12 hijos.
Por cierto, tengo una duda que quisiera resolver, y quisiera ver si tu
o alguna
persona que lea esto pudiera ayudarme, no he encontrado la totalidas de las
fes
de bautismo de los hermanos de mi abuelo Francisco, quiero ir algun dia a la
parroquia
de Capilla de Guadalupe, que se acaba de estrenar como nuevo municipio en
Jalisco,
y tengo que hacerlo directamente, porque desgraciadamente la parroquia de
Capilla
de Guadalupe y la de Cañadas de Obregon no han sido microfilmados por la
Iglesia
de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias (Mormones) por lo cual no estan
disponibles en
sus Centros de Historia Familiar.
Mi Bisabuelo Tomas Villegas Flores (en cuyo honor le pusieron Tomas a
mi Padre
y a mi por ellos 2) al parecer bautizaba a sus hijos en Capilla de
Guadalupe, ya que
al parecer estaba mas cerca de El Terrero y de La Llave donde vivio, segun
dicen
oralmente mi padre y sus hermanos, al parecer mis Bisabuelos Tomas Villegas
y
Paula Navarro tubieron 18 o 19 hijos, a mi se me hace muy exagerado esta
cantidad
y tengo referencia oral de los siguientes hijos: Jose Blas, Modesto, Jose,
Antonio,
Regino, Francisco,Maria, Isabel, Merced, Francisca, Serapia hasta aqui los
que mi
padre y sus hermanos saben y mencionan, yo he encontrado ademas las fes de
bautismo de Jose Tereso de Jesus que fue bautisado el 15 de octubre de 1873
en
Capilla de Guadalupe, 5 meses despues del matrimonio de mis bisabuelos Tomas
y
Paula, con lo que dedusco que este matrimonio fue de emergencia ya que mi
bisabuela
Paula estaba embarazada de 4 meses al casarse, los padrinos de este primer
hijo
fueron mis Tatarabuelos Jose Felix Navarro Bandin y su esposa Guillerma
Franco Gomez padres de Paula, al parecer este primer hijo murio parbulo,
tambien tengo
que encontrar su fe de defuncion, tambien encontre el nacimiento de
Maximiano el
29-May-1881, al parecer tambien murio infante, asi solo tengo referencia de
13 hijos,
y si es cierto lo que dicen mi padre y sus hermanos faltaria encontrar
referencia de
otros 5 o 6 hijos mas.
Ademas quisiera develar el misterio de que al menos 3 de los hermanos:
Jose,
Regino y Antonio Villegas Navarro se fueron a trabajar y vivir a Estados
Unidos,
en la decada de 1920 aproximadamente, y desde entonces no se supo nada mas
de ellos, ni a que lugar fueron a residir, ni cuantos hijos tubieron, ni
cuando murieron,
nada, absolutamente nada, muy despegados de la familia y de la tierra que
los
vio nacer, y esa es otra de mis inquietudes, saber que fue de estos 3 tios,
donde
vivieron y murieron en Estados Unidos y si existe descendencia de ellos 3 y
contactarlos, acaso tu o alguna persona que lea esto podria decirme como
pudiera
investigar sobre el destino de estos 3 Tios Abuelos en Estados Unidos.
Luego les mandare las fotos antiguas, herencia de mi abuelita Mucia
Gutierrez
Ramirez de Villegas para que las publiquen y ver si alguien las reconoce y
me
digan quienes son las personas en las fotos.
Tambien me comentas que tienes varios libros del tema genealogico,
pudieras
decirme el titulo de los libros que tienes?, te comento que desde hace
algunos
meses soy miembro del foro y pagina Genealogica, que inicialmente era
dedicada
a la genealogia del Norte de Mexico, principalmente de Nuevo Leon, `pero que
se
ha extendido a todas las regiones, la pagina es:
http://www.genealogia.org.mx y
seria un honor que te unieras al foro de discusion, ojala te hagas miembro y
podamos
contar con tu amable presencia y conocimiento, por medio de este foro me
entere
que el Dr. Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal, gran genealogista e historiador, como
tu has
de saber, ya usa el internet y esta suscrito al foro de Genealogia Mexico de
Yahoo,
al cual tambien me acabo de suscribir para poder contactar a Don Mariano, y
a lo
cual te hago referencia para si gustas tambien subscribirte a ese foro, el
link es
el siguiente: http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/genmex/.
Saludos desde Guadalajara, espero tu respuesta:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
El día 21/10/06, Rick Rodriguez escribió:
>
> Hola Tomas,
>
> Me da mucho gusto que a ti tambien te interese saber acerca de nuestro
> querido pueblo de Valle de Guadalupe. Yo tampoco naci alla pero he pasado
> mas de la mitad de mi vida alla.
>
> Acerca de tu familia, que parentesco tienes, si es que lo hay, entre tu
> familia y la de Jose Isabel Villegas? Sus hijos Rigoberto y Cornelio
> Villegas Casillas estuvieron conmigo en la escuela alla en Valle y son de
> los pocos Villegas que todavia viven en el pueblo. Quizas por ahi puede
> estar la informacion que buscas.
>
> Por lo pronto, si me mandas toda la informacion que tienes (nombres y
> fechas) de tu familia, puede empezar a buscar la genealogia de los
> Villegas
> que viven en el Valle y asi crear tu arbol genealogico. Actualmente estoy
> creando una pagina de internet dedicada a la informacion genealogica de la
> region de Los Altos, especialmente del Valle. Puedes entrar si lo deseas,
> a
> www.miarbolfamiliar.com o a www.valledeguadalupe.com (seccion familias).
> Ambas paginas estan en construccion y estan siendo actualizadas
> constantemente. Cuento con varios libros dedicados a la informacion
> genealogica de la region y tambien tengo acceso a una base de datos muy
> extensa de todas las familias altenas.
>
> Bueno, estamos en contacto. Hasta luego
>
> Atentamente,
>
> Ricardo Rodriguez
>
>
> >From: Monica Gonzalez
> >To: "Tomás" Alejandro Villegas "Gómez"
> >CC: rodriguez@miarbolfamiliar.com
> >Subject: Re: Saludos desde Guadalajara
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Hola Tomas!
> >
> > Mi nombre es Monica Lynn Gonzalez Ponce. Tengo 26 años, soy soltera
> (por
> >lo menos lo sere hasta abril). Vivo en Inglewood, California y al igual
> que
> >tu, no naci en El Valle pero lo considero MI PUEBLO QUERIDO. Mis padres
> son
> >Felipe Gonzalez Marquez y Juanita Ponce Rodriguez. Mis abuelos paternos
> son
> >Feliciano Gonzalez Franco y Altagracia Marquez Marquez y mis abuelos
> >maternos son Guadalupe Ponce y Teresa Rodriguez.
> >
> > Anabel Rodriguez de Barba es mi Prima Segunda y tampoco es nacida en
> El
> >Valle. Tiene 25 años (?). Es hija de Jose Inez Rodriguez Gonzalez y
> Ramona
> >Medina Perez Su esposo es Ezequiel Barba Alvarez (hijo de Jesus de Dios
> >Barba y Eva Alvarez). Sus abuelos paternos son Jesus Rodriguez y Jesusita
> >Gonzalez Franco. Sus abuelos maternos son Pedro Medina y Petra Perez.
> >
> > Aunque a nosotros tambien nos encanta la geneaologia, y actualmente
> >tenemos algo de informacion sobre nuestra familia, nuestro conocimiento
> de
> >publicacion en web es bastante limitada y no hemos podido dediar mas
> tiempo
> >a estudiar mas sobre los varios formatos que podriamos utilicar para
> >ampliar la pagina www.elvalledeguadalupe.com Lo que con gusto podemos
> hacer
> >en nuestra pagina es publicar sus fotos antiguas comentando su
> procedencia.
> >Aparte de ser para nosotras un servicio comunitario, nos encantaria
> verlas.
> >Si gusta mandarlas por medio electronico, las puede hacer llegar a este
> >mismo correo y nosotras crearemos una pagina especial donde las
> montaremos
> >y explicaremos la historia.
> >
> > Con gusto le platico que nuestro Primo, Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena,
> >quien tiene mas talento en publicacion en internet, actualmente trabaja
> la
> >pagina www.myarbolfamiliar.com donde tiene mucha informacion sobre
> familias
> >(apellidos) de Valle de Guadalupe y sus alrededores. Actualmente, la
> pagina
> >esta 'bajo construccion" pero si gusta comunicarse con el, su correo es
> >rodriguez@miarbolfamiliar.com. Seguramente, a el tambien la daria mucho
> >gusto el poder ver sus fotos y confio que ustedes se puedan ayudar
> >mutuamente el el proyecto de la genealogia.
> >
> > Ahora, sobre el boletin del C.S.V.D.G., lamento mucho que le hayan
> >contestado de esa manera tan grocera cuando pidio informes. Yo me
> >comunicare con el editor del boletin y le hare llegar la informacion
> sobre
> >inscripciones por este mismo medio. Solamente le pido que me comunique su
> >domicilio.
> >En realidad no se si es que el Periodico "EL VALLE" se haya convertido en
> >el Boletin del Club. Si asi fue, pues que lastima pero me consuelo con
> >tener por lo menos un boletin porque se que facilmente pudieron haber
> >terminado en nada.
> >Aunque si tuvimos la idea de publicar el boletin del CSVDG en la pagina,
> no
> >obtuvimos el permiso del Club por el hecho de que el boletin se maneja
> por
> >inscripciones pero le cuento que algunos articulos del mismo, los puede
> >apreciar por medio de la pagina oficial del Club, www.csvdg.org.
> >
> > En cuanto a la pagina www.csvdg.org recientemente fue invadida y la
> >persona u personas hicieron de la pagina una desgracia. Por esa razon, el
> >webmaster, Lalo Alvarez, impuso una medida de seguridad. Si gusta entrar
> a
> >la pagina, simplemente ponga "el valle" como nombre de usuario y como
> >contraseña para luego tener acceso a la pagina.
> >
> > Tomas, ha sido un placer poder "platicar" con usted y espero poder
> >apreciar sus fotos en un futuro no muy lejano.
> >
> > Attentemente,
> > Monica Lynn Gonzalez Ponce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:
> >
> > Hola Webmasters:
> >
> > Felicidades por su pagina elvalledeguadalupe.com, sigan adelante
> con
> > su esfuerzo.
> >
> > Segun lei en su pagina, ustedes son: Anabel Rodriguez de Barba y
> >Monica Gonzalez Ponce,
> > no se que edad tengan, y pido disculpas anticipadas por tutearlas.
> >
> > Antes que nada dejenme `presentarme: soy Tomás Alejandro
> Villegas
> >Gómez, naci y
> > vivo en la Ciudad de Guadalajara, Jalisco, tengo 44 años, soy soltero,
> >Ingeniero Quimico
> > egresado de la Universidad de Guadalajara, mis padres son Tomas
> Villegas
> >Gutierrez y
> > Maria Elena Gomez Castellanos.
> >
> > Mi padre es nacido en el Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco, por eso
> >aunque yo no naci en
> > el Valle de Guadalupe, a traves de mi padre me considero tambien
> >vallelupense y le tengo
> > un gran cariño a El Valle, por eso me da gusto que existan en internet
> >estas paginas para
> > fomentar el amor y cariño a la tierra de mi padre y mis ancestros y
> otra
> >vez mil gracias
> > por el esfuerzo que ustedes hacen por promover este lindo lugar de
> los
> >Altos de Jalisco.
> >
> > Me ha interesado la genealogia (Historia Familiar o Arbol
> >Genealogico) mucho a partir
> > de cuando fallecio mi abuelita paterna Mucia Gutierrez Ramírez de
> >Villegas en Septiembre
> > de 1985, ya que al abrir la petaquilla donde ella guardaba sus cosas
> mas
> >preciadas,
> > encontramos entre otras cosas un cuadernillo, escrito de puño y letra
> >por mi abuelo
> > Francisco Villegas Navarro, en donde cariñosamente anoto desde el
> >fallecimiento de
> > su madre Paula Navarro Franco, siu matrimonio, el nacimiento de sus
> >hijos y la muerte
> > tambien de algunos de ellos, y al finalizar cada acta, ponia: "dedico
> >este recuerdo a
> > mis hijos", y lo firmaba, además encontramos muchas fotos antiguas que
> >guardaba
> > tambien mi abuelita, algunas fotos si las reconocieron mis tios, pero
> >otras no, todabia
> > estamos con la incognita de quienes seran.
> >
> > Y aqui una primera peticion: seria posible que publicaran estas
> >fotos antiguas en
> > su Web comentando su procedencia y ver si alguna persona del Valle,
> >sobre todo
> > las mas viejas, pudieran reconocer esas fotos e identificar
Hola Tomas:
Mi nombre es John Gonzalez de Wildomar, California. He seguido con mucho
interes tu correspondencia con Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo porque yo tambien
desciendo de los Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlán. Ya he estado en
comunicación directa con el.
En éste mensaje a Ricardo mencionas que:
"...y tengo que hacerlo directamente, porque desgraciadamente la parroquia
de
Capilla
de Guadalupe y la de Cañadas de Obregon no han sido microfilmados por la
Iglesia
de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias (Mormones) por lo cual no estan
disponibles en
sus Centros de Historia Familiar."
Te tengo buenas noticias. La Iglesia Mormona cuenta con 167 rollos de datos
del Registro Civil de Cañadas de Obregon incluyendo
datos de Nacimientos, Matrimonios y Defunciones de los años 1870 hasta 1984.
Yo precisamente antier encontré el acta de nacimiento de mi suegro, Jesus
Martinez Villalpando de Cañadas de Obregon. Habia batallado mucho porque yo
lo habia tratado de localizar con ese nombre y resulta de que no fueron
Martinez si no "Martin".
Te deseo mucha suerte en tu búsqueda y perdona al "entrometido"
John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
A los Gonzalez
En Los Angeles y Orange County una familia Gonzales fundo y opera una de las mas exitosas cadenas de supermercados 23 tiendas - Northgate Gonzales Market. Son de Jalos. Estan relaciondos con ellos? Yo conosco a esta familia.
----- Original Message ----
From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:47:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saludos desde Guadalajara
Hola Tomas:
Mi nombre es John Gonzalez de Wildomar, California. He seguido con mucho
interes tu correspondencia con Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo porque yo tambien
desciendo de los Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlán. Ya he estado en
comunicación directa con el.
En éste mensaje a Ricardo mencionas que:
"...y tengo que hacerlo directamente, porque desgraciadamente la parroquia
de
Capilla
de Guadalupe y la de Cañadas de Obregon no han sido microfilmados por la
Iglesia
de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias (Mormones) por lo cual no estan
disponibles en
sus Centros de Historia Familiar."
Te tengo buenas noticias. La Iglesia Mormona cuenta con 167 rollos de datos
del Registro Civil de Cañadas de Obregon incluyendo
datos de Nacimientos, Matrimonios y Defunciones de los años 1870 hasta 1984.
Yo precisamente antier encontré el acta de nacimiento de mi suegro, Jesus
Martinez Villalpando de Cañadas de Obregon. Habia batallado mucho porque yo
lo habia tratado de localizar con ese nombre y resulta de que no fueron
Martinez si no "Martin".
Te deseo mucha suerte en tu búsqueda y perdona al "entrometido"
John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
Hola Enrrique:
Muchisimas gracias por la información sobre los Gonzalez de Los Angeles y
Orange County, no tenia conocimiento de ello y si son de Jalos, pues lo mas
probable es que a lo mejor somos descendientes de la misma rama de Gonzalez
de Hermosillo, fundadores de Jalostotitlán. Tendria que ir a visitarlos y
platicar con ellos. Otra vez, gracias por la informacion, te lo agradezco.
Me podrias mandar, por favor, una poca mas de informacion sobre ellos
directamente a mi E-mail 1gnzlz@verizon.net siempre y cuando sea con el
permiso y conocimiento de su parte.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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A los Gonzalez
En Los Angeles y Orange County una familia Gonzales fundo y opera una de las
mas exitosas cadenas de supermercados 23 tiendas - Northgate Gonzales
Market. Son de Jalos. Estan relaciondos con ellos? Yo conosco a esta
familia.
Hola Tomas Alejandro,
A qual proyecto del arbol genealogico mundial mandaste tu genealogia? Fue FamilyTree.com o Ancestry.com o RootswebWorldConnect?
Si mandas tu arbol geneagolico a WorldConnect en formato gedcom, esta disponible publicamente, como los mios para quales te mande los "links". No los has visto? O mandas los aqui a Nuestros Ranchos a la base Gedcom.
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Joseph,
I can help with list items 1-3. I have some familiarity with web stuff,
Drupal, and databases (for putting a master list together).
Ed Davila
----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
Things continue to be busy. This group is like a democracy. . .of the
people, by the people and for the people.
As I get busier and busier I see less time for me to function properly
within the group. I'm not planning on going anywhere, but since we are
Glad to help if it is not too difficult, I am not too familiar with the site yet.
Gilbert Paez
Joseph. Can we get more information regarding such jobs?
Joseph Puentes wrote:
Things continue to be busy. This group is like a democracy. . .of the
people, by the people and for the people.
As I get busier and busier I see less time for me to function properly
within the group. I'm not planning on going anywhere, but since we are
one big happy family we as a family need to start taking on some more of
the groups responsibilities.
Therefore I have the need to make a call for 3 more volunteers. What I
need done are small but important jobs.
Step right up if a few of us take on some of these small jobs then the
burden will be easier for us all.
thanks,
joseph
ps: I apologize for sending this out on the research list, but not
everyone is subscribed to the "general" list and I wanted to get this
out to as many as possible.
Joseph
What do you need....I will volunteer if I can do it....
Mickey
Well I asked for three more volunteers truthfully wanted to test the
water to see who might respond. Right now I'm working with three
volunteers on the most important needs I have:
Kitty Cortez (giving periodical notices to new members)
I can help translate
Enrique
----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:18:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Explanation of Volunteer Jobs
Well I asked for three more volunteers truthfully wanted to test the
water to see who might respond. Right now I'm working with three
volunteers on the most important needs I have:
Kitty Cortez (giving periodical notices to new members)
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal (evaluating who has submitted
genealogies in the "members genealogies" area)
Alicia Carrillo (Spam Control)
here are some jobs that I can use occassional help with:
1) I could use help with creating folders for new members and adding
their genealogies when they submit them (occasional opportunities). This
might not be possible with a normal account. I'll see.
2) I could use the help of someone making a master list of everyone who
has submitted a gedcom in alphabetical order by their name AND Username
if this is possible.
3) I could use some help of someone working on going through the links
area and checking for dead links AND learning how to add links using the
Drupal system (we'll need a primer with Arturo showing the way on this
one): this one would be called: Link Master
4) I could use some help translating various passages. I've leaned
heavily on John Gonzalez and Arturo but I hate asking them all the time.
Others that feel comfortable translating occasional passages would be
helpful.
thanks,
joseph
2006/10/16, Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez :
>
>
>
> Hola Roque:
>
> A mi me interesa una copia del libro, estoy en
> la ciudad de Guadalajara, Jalisco, como podrias
(espanol abajo)
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Bien dicho!
Listen up to what Arturo said as I couldn't say it any better.
If you have any questions about putting personal information in an email
about yourself or others ASK.
thanks for your cooperation in this.
joseph
PS: Arturo there are 12 members less on the Announce list than on the
Research list. Do you think for important stuff like this we should
break the rules (like I have already a couple of time) and send out the
message on that list as well? Kind of a Moderator option???
arturoramos wrote:
>(espanol abajo)
>
>In order to ensure the privacy of members and to keep the site from becoming a target of email harvesting programs (that scan web sites for email addresses which then get unwanted email or spam), please do not post your own or other members' personal information in messages. Any message posted to any one of the lists also gets posted to the site online which is available for reading by the general public and email harvesting programs. Personal information that should not be included in messages includes email addresses, phone numbers and vital information (birthdates, mother's maiden name, etc.) of living persons.
>
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>
>Thank you for your cooperation. Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this matter.
>
>ESPANOL
>
>Para proteger la privacidad de los miembros y para asegurar que el sitio no sea rastreado por programas que ''cosechan'' direcciones de correo-e (rastrean la red buscando direcciones de correo-e para luego enviarles correo-e no deseado o ''spam''), por favor no incluya informacion personal de si mismo ni de otros miembros en sus mensajes. Cualquier mensaje que se sumete a cualquiera de las listas queda publicado en el sitio en la red y queda disponible al publico general y a programas que cosechan direcciones de correo-e. Informacion personal que no debe incluirse en mensajes incluye direcciones de correo-e, numeros de telefono o informacion viatica (tal como fechas de nacimiento, nombre de padres, etc.) de personas vivas.
>
>Si necesitas ponerte en contacto con un miembro directamente, puedes usar el directorio de membresia que queda disponible en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/profile o hacer click en en apodo (user name) de un miembro que queda debajo de cualquiera de sus contribuciones y usar la forma de contacto para enviarle un mensaje personal.
>
>Gracias por su cooperacion. Por favor dejenme saber si tienen alguna pregunta sobre este tema.
Hola Sr. John:
Gusto en poder escribirle y le doy las gracias por toda la ayuda
que nos da a nosotros los genealogistas aficionados, compartiendo
todo su conocimiento con nosotros, en verdad usted es la idea de
Hello everyone! Sorry, I don´t know Jonathan´s complete e-mail address
Hi Jonathan! some weeks ago I asked your help for finding some marriages from Arandas, Jalisco.
Did you find any? Thanks in advance.
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For anybody looking to make personal contact with a member, there are two ways to do it. You must be logged on to the site for either method, because we want to make sure that members' personal information is not made public.
Method 1:
Click on a user's name under one of their postings or find a user using the search field on the upper right of the site. You will see a tab labled "Contact" and once you click on this tab you can type a message to the user there and the system will send it to their personal email address.
Method 2:
Browse through the member directory (which is alphabetical by last name) by clicking on "Files" and then the "browse" membership link at the bottom of the page. Once you find the member, you will have his/her email address so you can email them directly.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
ESPANOL
Para cualquier persona que quiera ponerse en contacto con otro miembro directamente, existen dos modos de hacerlo. Los dos modos requieren haber ingresado al sitio porque queremos asegurar que la informacion personal de los miembros no quede disponible publicamente.
Modo 1:
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Modo 2:
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Dejenme saber si tienen alguna pregunta.
Hola a Todos:
Un Llamado o consejo a las personas que han publicado o piensan
publicar algun libro, en especial sobre los que son de nuestro interes
que es la Historia y la Genealogia.
Y sea este llamado para escritores o investigadores tanto nacionales
Tomas:
Gracias por tus sugerencias sobre la distribucion de nuestras genealogias. Yo estoy a punto de publicar la mia. Ya pronto anunciare el libro en este sitio, asi como la informacion de donde se podra comprar. Pensaba donar algunas copias pero no habia pensado tan detalladamente a que instituciones hacerlo. Tu mensaje ha sido muy util.
Para cualquier persona que piense que el publicar una obra seria muy caro o no seria posible, les puedo dar algunas sugerencias. Ya existe la imprenta digital donde se pueden imprimir cantidades menores de ejemplares (hasta uno a la vez) a un costo bastante rasonable. Esto no requiere ninguna inversion por la parte del autor salvo los anos y anos de trabajo en la investigacion y claro el recopilar los datos en algun formato que sea accesible al lector. Indices onosmaticos son esenciales en trabajos genealogicos.
Saludos desde Washington, DC.
Hola Arturo:
Gracias por tus comentarios, que bueno que ya vas a publicar
tu trabajo genealogico, estare esperando para comprarlo, ojala
puedas publicar aqui el indice para ver exactamente el contenido
de tu libro.
Espero leer tu orientacion sobre la impreenta digital, ojala y
puedas hacer una guia detallada sobre como realizar el libro.
Saludos desde Guadalajara:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
2006/10/17, arturoramos :
>
>
> Tomas:
>
> Gracias por tus sugerencias sobre la distribucion de nuestras
> genealogias. Yo estoy a punto de publicar la mia. Ya pronto anunciare el
> libro en este sitio, asi como la informacion de donde se podra
> comprar. Pensaba donar algunas copias pero no habia pensado tan
> detalladamente a que instituciones hacerlo. Tu mensaje ha sido muy util.
>
> Para cualquier persona que piense que el publicar una obra seria muy caro
> o no seria posible, les puedo dar algunas sugerencias. Ya existe la
> imprenta digital donde se pueden imprimir cantidades menores de ejemplares
> (hasta uno a la vez) a un costo bastante rasonable. Esto no requiere
> ninguna inversion por la parte del autor salvo los anos y anos de trabajo en
> la investigacion y claro el recopilar los datos en algun formato que sea
> accesible al lector. Indices onosmaticos son esenciales en trabajos
> genealogicos.
>
> Saludos desde Washington, DC.
Tomas Alejandro
Solo quíero preguntarte si pudiste mandarle al Dr. Carlos Barba
mi genealogia sobre algunos Barba de la región de Los Altos de Jalisco, te
comento que tengo un poco más de avance al respecto y te mando nuevamente mi
archivo.
Esperando saber si me puedes conseguir su obra o poner en contacto con él.
saludos
Jose de Loza
2006/10/13, Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez :
>
> Hola a Todos:
>
> Un Llamado o consejo a las personas que han publicado o piensan
> publicar algun libro, en especial sobre los que son de nuestro interes
> que es la Historia y la Genealogia.
>
> Y sea este llamado para escritores o investigadores tanto nacionales
> como internacionales.
>
> Segun mi punto de vista, cuando alguien publica un libro o reporte,
> su interes u objetivo principal deberia ser que esta publicacion sea
> leida y llegue al mayor numero de personas posibles, y como segundo
> objetivo (pero tambien muy importante) es ganar dinero y reconocimiento,
> que es muy valido tambien, pero como dije, el principal es que su obra
> sea leida por el mayor numero de opersonas posible.
>
> Una de las formas de hacer posible ese principal objetivo, es DONAR
> o REGALAR una copia del libro o investigacion a alguna o algunas
> bibliotecas o archivos, en el caso particular de las investigaciones
> genealogicas e historicas, seria ir de lo general a lo particular, es
> decir, yo les sugiero a los escritores, que REgalen una copia de su
> libro o trabajo, 1o.- A la Biblioteca del Congreso de los Estados
> Unidos de Norte America (Que segun he leido, es la biblioteca
> mas importante del mundo, por el numero de libros que tiene en su
> acervo en TODOS los IDIOMAS).
> 2o.- A la biblioteca mas importante sobre genealogia en el mundo,
> que seria la biblioteca central en Salt Lake City, Utha, Estados Unidos.
> 3o.- Al Archivo General de la Nacion en la Ciudad de Mexico, D.F.
> que teoricamente resguarda a la mayor cantidad de Archivos y libros
> en nuestro pais y tal vez otra copia donde se encuentra el Centro
> de Distribucion de Microfilmes de la Ciudad de Mexico, D.F., de los
> Centros de Historia Familiar de los Mormones.
> 4o.- A la biblioteca o Archivo mas importante del Estado donde se
> relaciona la investigacion o libro, en mi caso particular seria a la
> Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco y al Archivo Historico de
> Jalisco y otra copia a algun Centro de Historia Familiar en la Ciudad
> de Guadalajara, Jal. (No se cual sea el mas impotante, de los 4 o
> 5 Centros que hay, pero de ser posible regalar una capia a cada uno).
> 5o.- A la biblioteca o Archivo particular de la Investigacion si es que
> estan interesados en tener copia, por ejemplo, El archivo Historico de
> concentracion del Arzobispado e Guadalajara, El Archivo Municipal
> donde se investiga, ya sea Guadalajara, Tepa, Jalos, Ocotlan, sea
> Municipal o Eclesiastico, etc.
>
> Tambien es muy importante, como ya lo habia dicho en alguna
> ocasion anterior, que se aproveche la tecnologia actual de internet,
> y se convierta a digital el libro o reporte, de preferencia en el formato
> universal PDF (Portable Document Format de Adobe) y asi no
> esperar recursos monetarios o de financiamiento para poder publicar
> la obra en papel, y que se comercialize el libro en formato digital
> por internet, mandando el libro en ese formato por correo electronico,
> en el caso particular de las investigaciones genealogicas, exhorto a
> los investigadores que publiquen aunque sea parcialmente sus
> investigaciones por este medio y formato, con la promesa o
> certificacion que se actualizara el archivo, conforme se vaya actualizando
> o corrigiendo, y asi no esperar años y años para que se de a la luz
> una obra genealogica, es fabuloso no tener que esperar años por
> financiamiento de alguna editorial para publicar el libro, sino solo
> hacerlo en formato digital PDF y asi venderlo y distribuirlo por
> internet sin casi ningun costo.
>
> Por todo lo anterior, exhorto en lo particular a el Dr. Don Mariano
> Gonzalez Leal, a la Investigadora Cecilia Aguilar Camargo de Hino,
> al Investigador Ing. Alfonso Rodriguez, al Prof. Salvador Escobedo,
> al Lic. Pedro Franco Lopez, para que publiquen sus investigaciones
> en formato digital, y lo distribuyan por internet, pudiendo ser
> intermediario el Site de Genealogia Mexico, de nuestro grupo
> para su distribucion.
>
> Tambien hago el mismo exhorto al Dr. Carlos Barba Gomez
> para la distribucion de su trabajo por internet, pero a la vez
> darle las gracias por donar una copia de su investigacion en
> papel a la biblioteca de la Estaca Union de esta ciudad de
> Guadalajara, Jalisco.
>
> Un saludo a todos y espero sus comentarios, o mejor
> ahun, ESPERO YA, LA PUBLICACION PARCIAL DE SUS
> TRABAJOS en Pdf y por internet.
>
> --
> Saludos desde Guadalajara:
>
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
Hi everyone,
I just sent two files to Joseph to upload and the files are under my name. The names of the files are Martin Del Campo 0906.doc and Jose Vallejo Jimenez. The information is for Jalostotitlan, Jalisco and various surrounding areas.
Thanks for confirming Arturo. The dispensa for Manuel Sanchez de Porras
and Apolonia Martin del Campo is for Sebastiana Apolonia's parents. I have a
copy of that document. I suspect that Sebastiana Apolonia and Juan Ygnacio
Hola Tomas,
Te queria comentar acerca del foro de genealogia de Mexico:
http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/genmex/
Este foro no esta concentrado en ningun estado Mexicano en particular, pero
si tiene por miembros a Luz Montejano Hilton y a Don Mariano Gonzalez-Leal.
hola M Cortez:
Gracias `por darme este dato, me inscribire ahora mismo al foro
que bueno que tienen alli a Luz Montejano y a Mariano Gonzalez
que son exppertos genealogistas.
Cuentame mas de ti, que haces, de tu familia.
saludos desde Guadalajara:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
2006/10/15, mcortez :
>
> Hola Tomas,
>
> Te queria comentar acerca del foro de genealogia de Mexico:
> http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/genmex/
>
> Este foro no esta concentrado en ningun estado Mexicano en particular,
> pero
> si tiene por miembros a Luz Montejano Hilton y a Don Mariano
> Gonzalez-Leal.
> Varios miembros han preguntado a Don Mariano acerca de sus libros por este
> medio y ha dicho que seran publicados para el proximo año pero no dice el
> precio.
>
> Al igual que tu, mis ancestros eran de Los Altos de Jalisco: Ixtlahuacan
> del Rio, San Nicolas de los Abundis, Cuquio, Yahualica, Jalostotitlan, y
> muchos ranchos y haciendas cerca de estas parroquias. Por esta razon los
> libros de Don Mariano son esenciales para mis estudios.
>
> Saludos desde Sacramento, CA
>
> Maria Cortez
>
>
>
Hola Tomas,
Como mencione anteriormente, mi familia proviene de Los Altos de Jalisco.
Mis padres nacieron en San Nicolas de los Abundis, el cual se encuentra como
unos veinte minutos hacia el norte de Ixtlahuacan del Rio. San Nicolas es
un Rancho que tiene una sola escuela, pero no tiene iglesia. Asi que mis
ancestros fueron bautizados y casados en Ixtlahuacan del Rio, donde si hay
iglesia. Yo me imagino que el Rancho fue fundado por mis propios
antepasados porque el apellido Abundis era el de mi bisabuela, Elena
Abundis. Segun los documentos que he encontrado este apellido era Agundis o
Agundes pero inexplicablemente cambio a Abundis de 1850 hasta el presente.
Yo naci en Guadalajara, Jalisco y me crie aqui en Sacramento. Mi padre se
emigro durante el programa del Brazero. Ya estando el establicido aqui nos
emigro a toda la familia cuando yo tenia unos 5 o 6 años. Hoy en dia
trabajo como Database Administrator (Administradora de Base de Datos?).
Tengo dos hijos; uno que esta a punto de recibirse en Ingenieria de Sonido y
una hija que esta en la Secundaria. Bueno, esto es un poco acerca de mi y
los mios.
Saludos desde Sacramento, CA
Maria Cortez
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de Los Altos
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> Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com, "Valledegpe. com"
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> hola M Cortez:
>
> Gracias `por darme este dato, me inscribire ahora mismo al foro
> que bueno que tienen alli a Luz Montejano y a Mariano Gonzalez
> que son exppertos genealogistas.
>
> Cuentame mas de ti, que haces, de tu familia.
>
> saludos desde Guadalajara:
>
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
>
>
Thank you Arturo, Joseph and List Members for adding your comments to my
question about surname spelling variations and of the names used by our
"indigenous," ancestors.
Pat Silva Corbera
Hello,
I have a lookup request for anyone who has Luz Montejano Hilton's book of marriage dispensations.
I want to know if Juan Ygnacio Martin del Campo m. Sebastiana Apolonia Sanchez de Porras on 25 Feb 1754 in San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco received a marriage dispensation?
Maria:
I think Mickey is right... there is an entry for an Ignacio Martin del Campo, but it is marrying a Margarita Gomez Hurtado in Jalostotitlan in 1748.
There is a dispensation in 1718 for a Manuel Sanchez de Porras 20 years old with Apolonia Martin del Campo 16 years old... p. 140, Expediente 759.
Zacatecas Marriages 1600s