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sagrada mitra records

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Linda,

I think what happened is some time after certain longer films were indexed, familysearch reorganized and cut up some of the films into parts (check to see if those films have parte 1, parte 2, etc in their titles now).

What I had to do is some math: Parte 1 films should match Katy's numbers, but when you get to the end of parte 1, and go to the film with the parte 2 title, you have to subtract the image number that was indexed from the first number on the new film page.

See this index:
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/post/80839559488/matrimonios-185…

Now, part 3 is is in reference to Katy's site, not familysearch, so disregard that for now.

We'll look for the first index, on image 904, Jesus Serrano. That obviously does not match the film linked here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18429-39494-12?cc=1874591&wc…

The film is 628 images long, with the link taking you to image 2. Notice the first image indexed at Katy's site starts on 890. Subtract 889 (because the film link starts on image 2, not on image 1) from the original index image number, 904. That gives you 15. Type 15 into the image box. and now you are at the record that was formerly on image 904, Jesus Serrano.

I hope this is clear-- this isn't for all of the films, just the ones familysearch changed, but it is irritating. If you need help with a specific record, email me through Nuestros Ranchos and I'll help you.

Rosalinda

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I'm not sure what you mean. Are my suggestions to Linda unclear? It's a matter of subtraction, but I'll help anyone who is confused.

Are you referring to Katy's site? I am thankful that she has volunteered her efforts to help the rest of us in our quest for genealogy. I volunteered to index when Claudia's site was active; I hope to volunteer again once I have a bit more time to do so. As I said to Linda, it's a bump in the road that the numbering is off and I have to subtract, but that to me is better than having to search all of the dispensas films page by page.

Rosalinda

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The good part of this is now we know which film we can find a specific record for even if it means going through the film just like we would otherwise with the help this index gives us. I am grateful for the time and effort shared even when it's a " challenge"
Linda Castanon-Long

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I don't have an easy time with numbers but now that I know what film a record is in the order of the names it's very easy but takes a bit of time but not like not knowing where to look to begin with!
I am grateful for your work.
Linda Castanon-Long

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thank you Rosalinda.. I will try what you said.. it's harder than I thought it would be since many just show you the record and you don't have to go through all this..
again, thank you
Linda Castanon-Long

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Linda,

It's unfortunate that this happened, but I'll help you if you let me know which records you're looking for-- maybe when I have time, I'll try to help Katy fix the entries. While this makes our research a bit more challenging, I know that when I volunteered to help Claudia with the dispensas, I was trying to help people save time by not having to search page by page in all those films. I don't think anyone quite anticipated what happened when the films were reorganized. I for one view this as another bump on the road of genealogical research. That's also why I am happy to help you-- isn't that the purpose of Nuestros Ranchos? We should help each other. You have been so gracious in sharing your assistance and volunteering your time. I wish everyone was so generous. Just let me know how I can help you!

Rosalinda

Has there been any research on Lope Ruiz de Esparza's ancestors?

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I am beginning to dig into this family, and I found a book on google that mentions a Lope de Esparza from Navarra.

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For the progenitor of this family I have seen both Sancho Ruiz de Esparza, spouse Juana Zariquiegui, as well as Simon Ruiz de Esparza, and spouse Graciana de Vici.

From both of these are similar lines of descent to Lope Ruiz de Esparza of Aguascalientes. The posted genealogies have either secondary references (some links for which are broken), or no references at all.

Is there any available documentation for this family?

Apparently related to this family (Sancho Ruiz de Esparza) is the little booklet "La Familia de Atondo y la Genealogia de S. Francisco de Javier)" published in Pamplona in 1920. Do a google search for "La Familia de Atondo" and you can down load the pdf. Sancho Ruiz de Esparza, according to this booklet, is the great-great-grandfather of St. Francisco de Javier.

There is nothing on the male descendants of Sancho Ruiz de Esparza in this booklet.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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I have seen some references in internet postings for the Ruiz de Esparza family that cite the Probanza de Hidalguea for (or by?) Dr. J. Leon Helguera.

Does anyone have a copy of this, or know where it exists?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Thanks for the info George. I'm sure one day, we'll be able to verify the ancestors of Lope. Also, one day, that missing document you refer to will be found.

Steve in NC

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Jorge Gonzalez esparza. recientemente estuve en pamplona para festejar las fiestas de san fermin y me llamo la atencio ver con frequencia el apellido esparza pordoquier. carniceria esparza. etc. tambien las tradiciones antiguas como los famosos churros que son deliciosos y sin duda la fiesta taurina. El apellido esparza es navarro. Por cierto el sello de el apellido es rojo y blanco con un lobo. muy interesante

Lorenza Tiscareno

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I have my 9th great grandmother, Lorenza Tescareno born about 1685 and married to Nicolas Gomes.

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Your 9th great-grandmother María Lorenza Tiscareño de Huerta was baptized 31 Aug 1683 at Parroquia de la Asunción in Aguascalientes. She was 15 days old when baptized, and thus born on 16 Aug 1683. Lorenza was the daughter of Francisco Tiscareño, mestizo, and María González de Huerta, also mestiza. Her father Francisco Tiscareño was the natural son of Capt. Juan Tiscareño with an unmarried woman (name unknown), probably a local indian because Francisco was said to be a mestizo. Francisco was born out of wedlock while Juan Tiscareño was still single, before he married Isabel Romo de Vivar. This is explained in the following excerpt from Juan Tiscareño's final will and testament:

"iten declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia que antes del Primero matrimonio tube un hijo natural llamado Francisco Tiscareño hijo de mujer soltera i libre para contraer matrimonio sin impedimentos declarolo asi para que conste i en esta conformidad mando se le de del remaniente del quinto de mis bienes por uso de alimento que assi le dejo i permite la lei Real de todo por averme servido mucho y aiudadome a ganar parte del caudal que assi he tenido de que he dado a mis hijos lo que llebo expressado..."

Nicolás Gómez was the son of Blas Gómez and María de Silva. No additional information about them. I have two daughters for Nicolás Gómez and Lorenza Tiscareño: 1) María de los Dolores, b. 1711 and 2) María Josepha b. 1714. What information do you have on Marina and Antonia?

BILL FIGUEROA

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I have my 9th great grandmother, Lorenza Tescareno born about 1685 and married to Nicolas Gomes. Their daughters are Marina, Antonia, Maria de los Dolores and Josepha born in Pinos, Zacatecas in the early 1700's. If anyone has iinfo on this line I would greatly appreciate any help.

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

Thank you for the information!

I have Marina baptized August 4, 1707 and married Oct. 6, 1721 to Joseph Francisco Sanches Mejorada. FHL Marriage source 1096163/120 Baptism source 1095294/

Antonia was baptized December 4, 1709 and married Luis Sanches Mejorada February 4, 1722 all in Pinos, Zacatecas. FHL Baptism source number 1095294/193. Padrino Francisco Sanches

Carolyn

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Carolyn,

Apparently this record was not indexed. You can see the actual record of Lorenza's baptism at

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-91323-38?cc=1502404&…

It reads as follows:

Al margen: "Lorenza espla."

"En la Villa de Aguascalientes en treinta i un dias del mes de Agosto año de mill seis-
cientos i ochenta i tres, en la Parroquial baptise i puse los santos olios a Lorenza espa-
ñola de hedad de quinse dias hija legitima de Franco. de Tiscareño y de Maria de
Huerta vecinos de esta Jurisdicion, fueron sus Padrinos Andres Muños y Loren-
sa Ruiz de Esparsa, les adverti la obligacion i cognacion espiritual i lo firme =
D. Manuel Altamirano de Castilla"

Lorenza had two brothers, Joseph and Juan, and a sister, Juana Tiscareño de Huerta.

Let me know if you need additional information.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

Bill,

Where do I find the records for the info? I did a search on FamilySearch but came up empty!

Carolyn

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

After posting my last request I found records for Lorenza and Joseph. I now have a question! On Joseph's record Aguascalientes 1681 source number 299422/136, it states "Guardian AP Francisco Cristoval Romo". Is that a grandparent?
Thanks for your help!
Carolyn

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Carolyn,

The record actually says "en caso de necesidad echo el Agua el P Guardian frai Christoval Romo" which means that the child was in danger of dying so the priest-on-watch Fray Cristobal Romo baptised him ("le echó el agua bendita"). What you thought read "AP Guardian" actually reads "el P. Guardian" meaning "el Padre Guardián" .

BILL FIGUEROA

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Carolyn Gomez Duran

After posting my last request I found records for Lorenza and Joseph. I now have a question! On Joseph's record Aguascalientes 1681 source number 299422/136, it states "Guardian AP Francisco Cristoval Romo". Is that a grandparent?
Thanks for your help!
Carolyn

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Hello Carolyn & Bill,

I also have Nicolas Gomez and Lorenza Tiscareno in my line. Thank you so much for clearing this up, I've been stuck on this couple for weeks, and with a case like Francisco's, I may never have figured it out. In the documents of her children & grandchildren, Lorenza is "espanola," as well as in her baptismal record; one would assume her parents were also "espanoles," but I guess it didn't always apply (in another of my lines, I discovered an ancestor was mulato libre, married to an india, which surprised me, since all of their grandchildren were "espanoles").

I have some additional notes regarding this couple. As mentioned:

Marina Gomez married Jose Francisco Sanchez in 1721; Jose Francisco was son of Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada and Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor; Francisco was hijo natural of Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narbais (his full brother, Jose Antonio, also hijo natural, married Gregoria Mendes de Sotomayor in 1720, Pinos). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-6CY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-ZCZ

Antonia Gomez would marry Jose Francisco's half-uncle Luis Sanchez in 1722. Luis was also hijo natural of Francisca Narbais; on his marriage record, he is listed as "padre no conocido," yet he wears the same surname as his brothers/half-brothers (and he his children will use the compound name, Sanchez de la Mejorada). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-CR5

The Francisco Sanchez's and Nicolas Gomez's would be padrinos for each others' children, so these families were obviously close.

Maria de los Dolores Gomez would marry Felipe Munoz, son of Jose Munoz and Ysabel de Hungria Alvarez, and Maria Josefa, would marry his brother, Jose Bernardo, in what I assume was a double ceremony on 11 May, 1727, in Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-C6Q
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-DTN

I descend from both Marina and Maria Dolores, the two lines meeting some 4 or 5 generations later.

I have 3 compound names associated with this group, and primarily in Pinos, 1670-1700s:

Gomez de Sotomayor
Sanchez de la Mejorada
Ruiz de Villasenor

On church documents for a couple of her grandchildren, Marina is listed as "Marina Gomez de Sotomayor." So, I assume there would be a Martin de Sotomayor connection in there, somewhere. Anyone?

The Sanchez, as Carolyn noted, I've seen listed as "Sanchez de la Mejorada." I've seen other "Sanchez de la Mejorada" in the archives (mostly in los Altos), but I've found no connection, and I'm still stalled at Cristobal Sanchez (I think the Sanchez Narvaez boys were born in SLP, but settled in Pinos).

Francisco Sanchez, widowed, would marry a second time in 1720 with Margarita de Cuevas Martin, so Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor would pass away some time between 1703 (when Jose Franco is born) and 1720. I can find no info on her, other than there was an Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor married to Mathias Gomez, also in Pinos. Mother & daughter, a la Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza et al? Or this could be the same woman, if Mathias died and Ysabel married Francisco - the timelines fit. Now, I've seen Mathias also listed as "Mathias Gomez de Zoto Mayor (sic)," so perhaps there is a connection between Blas/Nicolas/Marina Gomez and Mathias Gomez? Could Blas be Mathias' brother?

And, Bill, thank you for the Blas Gomez/Maria de Silva tip. Where can I find the record that would show this connection? I did some further research, tweaking her surname, and I found a Blas Gomez and a Maria de AVILA, as the groom's parents for the marriage of Juan Antonio Gomez and Nicolasa Mendes, Dec 1, 1723, in Pinos. "Avila" and "Silva" can look very similar, in some of these documents, so I'd like to see what you have.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-KRY

I'm topped-out in all of these lines, so if anybody has any further information, I would be very grateful!

Blas Gomez [de Sotomayor], Maria de Silva or Avila (Pinos, 1670-1680).

Cristobal Sanchez [de la Mejorada], Francisca Narbais/Narvaez (Pinos, 1650-1660, though I think these Sanchez Narvaez were born in SLP).

Jose Munos/Munoz, Ysabel de Hungria Alvarez (Pinos, 1670-1680).

Francisco Sanchez Y Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor (Pinos, 1660-1670).

Gracias y saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hello Carolyn,

I think I saw in another thread you're descended from Mariana de los Dolores Gaitan, daughter of Joaquin Gaitan and Maria Josefa Galvan? Joaquin Gaitan & Maria Josefa Galvan are my g4s (my g3 is Mariana's brother, Jose Thomas), and I recently located a dispensation for Mariana's marriage to her primo tercero Jose Manuel Gaitan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-41159-67?cc=1874591&wc…

This is lovely, because it features family trees for both the Gaitan and Gomez lines, with Miguel Gaitan and Nicolas Gomez as the respective troncos. Unfortunately, it reveals nothing new regarding these lines for me, but it has some interesting details: Jose Manuel and Mariana ran off, Maria Josefa shows up at Jose German's house looking for her daughter, a chase ensues... good stuff! Some of the Gaitan's and Sanchez's were witnesses, and there are signatures (by those who could write). I found 3 more dispensations for descendants of these same couples (including another of Jose German Gaitan's children), showing the links between these families as well as the Sanchez's, They also have Gomez family trees, with Nicolas as the tronco. I'll upload them when I get a chance.

By the way, I descend from both Maria Dolores Gomez and Francisco Xavier Gaitan, following the same lines as Mariana in these trees; Mariana's brother Jose Thomas (my g3) would marry Maria Dolores Cortes, and their daughter was Cecilia Gaitan; Cecilia Gaitan would marry Pioquinto Sanchez, son of Jose Antonio Marcos Sanchez, son of Thomas Antonio Sanchez, son of Jose Francisco Sanchez and Marina Gomez Tiscareno, daughter of Nicolas Gomez & Lorenza Tiscareno and sister of Maria Dolores. We also descend from Miguel Gaitan through his daughter Juana Victoria, who was the mother of Apolonia de Jara, who was the mother of Jose Antonio Marcos Sanchez, father of Pioquinto Sanchez. My g2s Pioquinto Sanchez and Cecilia Gaitan were 4o & 5o grado in 2 lines (the skipped generation was probably due to their age difference: he was 29 and she 16 when they married), so I don't think they needed a dispensation (and no one in my family has a tail...).

Stay tuned!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Here are dispensations/informaciones for numerous couples descending from the daughters of Nicolas Gomez & Lorenza Tiscareno, as well as associated families (Gaitan-Arias de Bedoya, Sanchez de la Mejorada, Mendez; Sierra de Pinos branches). Many have Gomez family trees with Nicolas Gomez as the tronco.

Jose Manuel Gaytan & Mariana Gaytan img0596 (Gaytan & Gomez fam trees img0600)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-41159-67?cc=1874591&wc…

Jose Cayetano Sanchez & Maria Loreta Gaytan img1891 (Gomez tree)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-22903-15?cc=1874591&wc…

Jose Maria Gaitan & Manuela Mendez img0392 (Gomez tree, pregnancy)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-81734-53?cc=1874591&wc…

Aniceto Sanchez & Maria Encarnacion Aranda img106 (Nicolas Gomez tree img111)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18572-17607-49?cc=1874591&wc…

Ignacio Sanchez & Maria Josefa Sanchez img064 (no tree, but includes Antonia & Marina Gomez lines and Luis Sanchez & Francisco Sanchez lines. Note: img066 confirms that Luis Sanchez and Francisco Sanchez are brothers, and sons of the same father, i.e. Cristobal Sanchez & Francisca Narvaez)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18408-8428-66?cc=1874591&wc=…

Antonio Sanchez & Josefa Sanchez img0363 (Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada tree)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-23466-64?cc=1874591&wc…

Ignacio Nava & Carmen Sanchez img1018 denuncia (she's descended from Luis Sanchez & Antonia Gomez)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-61432-25?cc=1874591&wc…

Andres Gaitan & Ricarda Gertrudis Martin img120 (annulment due to her infidelity with Joaquin Gaitan)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18408-7558-23?cc=1874591&wc=…

I hope these prove helpful for anyone seeking info on these lines.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

JRefugioGHermosillo

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I found some newly indexed records for children of Blas Gomez and Maria de Avila, so I'm leaning toward the Avila surname as opposed to de Silva.
I still haven't found any records connecting Nicolas Gomez to this couple, any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! MDH

Maria Gomez Avila, m. Francisco Nieto Telles, 30 Jan 1704, in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Diego Nieto Telles and Francisca de Zardinete.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-NF3
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29445-25?cc=1804458&wc…

Catalina Gomez Avila, m. Joseph Falcon de la Garza, 10 Fec 1706 in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Phelipe de la Garza and Phelipa de Santiago.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-64G
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29107-90?cc=1804458&wc…

Juan Antonio Gomez, m. Nicolasa Mendez on 1 Dec 1723, in Pinos, Zacatecas. She was the daughter of Manuel Mendez de Sotomayor and Maria Rosa de Infante.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-KRY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-27723-96?cc=1804458&wc…

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I came upon this while searching for another ancestor's burial record: Lorenza Tiscareno was buried 28 Jul 1753 in Pinos. She died at age 69, cause doesn't seem to be given. She did leave a testamento. Nicolas appears to have survived her, it also appears that they were the owners of the Santa Rita:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15243-42472-65?cc=1804458&wc…

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

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Miguel Gaitan and Nicolas Gomez were 2nd cousins, according to this IM for their grandchildren, Juan Antonio Gaitan con Maria Manuela Muñoz (tree on img574:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15263-11463-61?cc=1804458&wc…

They were grandsons of two brothers: Gonzalo and Juan Gomez de las Ruelas:

Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas-g1-Juan Gomez de las Ruelas
Maria Gomez de las Ruelas-g2-Blas Gomez de las Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-g3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Fco Xavier Gaitan-g4-Ma Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-g5-Manuela Muñoz

Nicolas Gomez is a testigo, he gives his age as 66 (b. 1682) and was born in Ciudad de Zacatecas. He signs his name “Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor.”

In Pinos, Zacatecas, “Ruelas” and “Sotomayor” are used by descendants of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Sotomayor/Ruelas; is there a link?

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Need help reading a name in a document

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I am having trouble reading the paternal father's first name in this Información Matrimonial record from Mexico City. Can anyone take a stab at it?

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Amoxochitl, Zacatecas

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Tengo muchos an~os investigando a mi familia de Amoxochitl, Zacatecas y no paso del 1800. Saben ustedes si antes de eso se registraban en algun otro lado?

Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales

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I finally received this copy from my local library and I will have it for a few weeks. Let me know if you would like something looked up.

Juanita

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Hi Juanita. I'm from Nochistlan. I have known about this book. I live in Ca and only UC Berkeley library has it. Where did you get the book from?

José de Jesús Legaspi
213-247-5020
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On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:10 AM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> I finally received this copy from my local library and I will have it for a few weeks. Let me know if you would like something looked up.
> Juanita
>

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I didn't find anything Gonzales de Yslas, but there are a few listings for Gonzales de Islas. Gonzales de Islas -Joseph, Juan, Megdalena, Manuel, Matias, and Nicolas de Dios.

Lopez de Lizarde...(Lopez de Elizalde?)
Lopez de Elizalde y Aberuzza, Juan
Lopez de Elizalde y Burgeno, Leonor
Lopez de Elizalde y Agustin
Lopez de Elizalde Alcalde Ordinario Juan
Lopez de Elizalde Bachiller Juan
Lopez de Elizalde Beatriz
Lopez de Elizalde ACathalina
Lopez de Elizalde Francisco, Juan, Juan de Dios, Juan Luis, Juana, Leonor, Maria, Maria Petra de los Dolores, Maria Saviera, Mariana, Miquel, Nicolas, Presbitero Pedro, Thadeo, Ysabel

Gutierrez de Hermosillo...Francisca, Jose, Juana, Micaela, Miguel, Pedro, Salvador

Ballin....Juan, Nicolas, Ana Josepha, Bartolome, Diego, Geronimo, Juan, Susana

Gil De Sotomayor none..but there is a Vasco Gill

Mondragon...Alonso de, Angela de, Antonio de, Isabel de, Juana de, Marcos de, Nicolas de, Thomas de, Thomasa de

Lol, looks like you should have borrowed this book instead of me. Hopefully, one of these names is one of the ones you are looking for.

Juanita

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Juanita,

Lopez De Elizalde:May I have some info on Nicolas Lopez De Elizalde & also Thadeo?

Ballin:May I have some info on Bartolome Ballin?

Gonzalez De Isla:May i have some info on Magdaelena?

Mondragon?May I have some info on Thomas

Thank you so much for your assistance lol i know right I wished they had this book over at San Jose State.

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Juanita,

Lopez De Elizalde:May I have some info on Nicolas Lopez De Elizalde & also Thadeo?

Ballin:May I have some info on Bartolome Ballin?

Gonzalez De Islas:May i have some info on Magdaelena?

Mondragon?May I have some info on Thomas

Thank you so much for your assistance lol i know right I wished they had this book over at San Jose State.

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Rosalva Jordan

Juanita, what information do you have on the Duran family who lived in Nochistlan around El Aguacate and La Noche Buena?

Thanks.

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There are quite a few entries for the Duran Family. Not knowing what exactly you need I emailed some images to you. Please check you email. I have sent you some information. Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Where do I look for the email on the duran family? I wasn't sure if it comes to the website or my personal email. I haven't seen anything yet.

Thanks!

Rosalva Jordan

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Correction: This is for Rosalva Jordan --the Duran family

Hi sorry,

I sent you an email earlier and it should have gone to your personal email. Unfortunately, i couldn't figure out a way to email the images to you. If you contact me off list (my email should be in the earlier email) I will then attach the files.

Juanita Henniger

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Attn: Juanita Henniger,

Who are you addressing this email to...you mentioned the Duran Family and that you had sent some information "to you," who is the "you," in your posting?

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

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There are quite a few entries for the Duran Family. Not knowing what exactly you need I emailed some images to you. Please check you email. I have sent you some information. Juanita Henniger

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Thank you Juanita,

I have the following direct line Duran ancestors... would appreciate you checking to see if they are mentioned in your "book."

Juan Simon Duran b. abt 1604 Mexico y Regina de Aguayo parents of:

Nicolas Duran married 05 Mar 1669 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes to Francisca Ruiz de Esparza parents of:

Phelipe Duran bapt 24 Jul 1676 Nochistlan married to Maria de Cuevas parents of:

Maria Monica Duran bapt. 10 May 1724 Nochistlan married Nochistlan 22 Dec 1746 to Macario Aguayo parents of:

Maria Agustina de Aguayo bapt 20 Sep 1761 Nochistlan married Nochistlan 30 Apr 1777 to Jose Manuel Losano.

I also have the following individuals in my data base, but have not linked them directly...

Agustina Duran Duran daughter of Jose Maria Duran y Mariana Duran Olmos. Agustina married to Juan Sigala Munoz.

Dorotea Duran daughter of ? y Manuela Duran. Dorotea married to Jose Domingo Corbera

Guadalupe Maria Duran married to Longino Perez.

Precentaccion Munos Duran son of Ambrocio Macias Munos y Maria Petra Duran Munos
married to Simona Sigala Duran.

Rosalia Duran married to Jose Antonio Munos

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:31:24 PM
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I'm sorry I need to be more clear. I was address the Duran Family.
Juanita Henniger

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Pat,

Why don't I just send you the same info I sent to Rosalva then if what you are looking for isn't included I'll do a single search. There are just some many pages listed in the index for Duran and for a even a single Duran. At a glance I see that some of your ancestors are included in the pages I sent to Rosalav. It seems you might be cousins :)

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Thank you so much for offering to send the Duran /information pages.

When you say "send," would that be to my home address or as an attachment to an email?

If to my home I would be more than happy to send funds to yyou to cover the postage and printing expense, just let me know the amount.

I truly appreciate you taking the time in helping me with my Duran research!

My email address is:

patriciacorbera@comcast.net

Once again, many thanks!!
Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera

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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:15:13 AM
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Pat,

Why don't I just send you the same info I sent to Rosalva then if what you are looking for isn't included I'll do a single search. There are just some many pages listed in the index for Duran and for a even a single Duran. At a glance I see that some of your ancestors are included in the pages I sent to Rosalav. It seems you might be cousins :)

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Thank you so much...the files came through just fine...I printed them out, and now I'm going compare the information with what I have in my data file...

Once again, many, many thanks for sharing this valuable information with me.

Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera

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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:45:40 PM
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Hi Pat,

I sent the files in to your email address.

Juanita Henniger

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Hello Pat
I also descend from Juan Ximon Duran and Regina de Aguallo. It is thru their daughter Melchora de los Reyes Duran whom married Diego de Salazar and when he died she remarried. Her second marriage to Luis de Velasco is the connection to all my Velasco family lines in Nochistlan Zacatecas. If you would like to share info send me an email thru hartparkangler@yahoo.com. I tried contacting you thru the Nuestros Ranchos link but I guess it did not reach you or it went to spam.
sincerely Saul Navarro

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Pat,

Hello. I just started researching my family history and was wondering if you have any of my relatives in your family tree. Most lived in several "municipios" of Nochistlan as well as Apozol and Jalpa. Recently I found out I may have had relatives in el Rancho de los Duranes. The following is all I have so far on the Duran side of my family.

1. Delfino Duran, born 1915 in Nochistlan, died 1960-62 in Las Taunas, Jalpa, ZA. He was the son of 2. Cruz Duran and 3. Juana Esquibel. He married Sebastiana Ruiz in Nochistlan, daughter of Martin Ruiz and Gregoria Valdez. Sebastiana, born 20 Jan 1914 in El Aguacate, Nochistlan, ZA, died 3 March 2007 in Agua Rica, Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco.

2. Cruz Duran was born in Tlachichila, Zacatecas.
3. Juana Esquibel was born in Zacatecas.

Children of Juana Esquibel and Cruz Duran are:
1. Ismael Duran, born 1912 in Zacatecas. He married Guadalupe Duran, daughter of Esmeregildo
Duran and Apolinaria. Esmeregildo Duran later married Angelita.
2. Delfino Duran (mentioned above).
3. M Soledad Duran (1930 Mexico Census lists 1915 as her estimated birth year.)
4. Maria Duran (1930 Mexico Census lists 1919 as her estimated birth year.)
5. Leandra Duran

Ismael, M Soledad and Maria Duran are listed in the 1930 Mexico Census at:

"Mexico Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPT9-X7T : accessed 18 Nov 2012), Ismael Duran in
household of Ismael Duran, El Aguacate, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico.

This is about all I have so far. I'm contacting a great aunt in Nochistlan, on Sebastiana's family line, to try to get more information. I don't know her, but recently acquired her last known phone number.

Rosalva Jordan

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Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo are my 9th Great Grandparents. Do you have any information about their parents or European origins?

Jesus Gabino Duran posted on genealogy.com back in 2003 the following,

"The surname Duran mostly came from Nochistlan Mexico; Juan Duran came to Mexico in 1526, son of Garcia Duran and Catalina Sanchez.My father made a tree starting from Juan Duran Duque, I will like to share it , and have information on how to link Juan Duran Duque( +1673) with his ancestors. Maybe I will have to trace them to Spain.
Regarding Juan Duran, I have two informations , one that he was from Badajoz (Zafra) and the other that he was from Madrid ( from the recent book from Sir Hugh Thomas
We have got together in Nochistlan were a lot of people have the surname Duran"

I have not been able to contact this person to see where exactly he sourced this information.

Do you know if there is any connection between Juan Simon Duran and Juan Duran Duque?

Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado

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Hello Juanita,

If you still have access to the book, and if I could add a wish list, would you be able to scan & email the pages?

Capítulo 6 Descendencia de Diego de Moscoso Sandoval y María Delgadillo o Rodríguez de Carvajal
Capítulo 79 Descendencia de Hernando de Frías
Capítulo 49 Descendencia del Capitán Juan Lozano e Inés Martínez
Capítulo 53 Descendencia de Benito o Bernardino de Ysla y Magdalena de la Besares

Gracias y saludos

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Encontre: Historia Genealogica de las familias mas antiguas de mexico Tomo I, Ii y III.

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Primos,

Me encuentro en la biblioteca de Harvard con estos libros. Podré verlos por tres dias solamente. Alguien quiere que busque algun nombre?

Tango los siguientes en mis apuntes:

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Este es el dato que em falta y donde he estado detenido por meses.
Espero que sea el mismo ya que de ese nombre se deprenden una linaje muy extenso hasta la fecha. El problema radica en que el era hijo natural de Jose Martin de ARAIZA con Catarina Piña y no se sabe si ese Jose Martin de Araiza sea el miso que oficialmente casó con Geronima Campos Teran ( o tambien Teran Campos).

Tal vez casó varias veces y todos provenimos del mismo Jose Martin de Araiza. Presumo que ese Jose Valentin nacio por 1784 ya ue su acta amtrimonial menciona que tenia 31 años en 1815. Viudo de Petra Ovalle (Obaye)..

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Si? A ver si encuentras nombre "Antonio Madera" aproximente nacio en 1660 y fallecio antes de 1709. Estuve en Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico y por "Minillas" o "Rancho Palmitos" estuvo casado con "Maria De La Candelaria.

Son mis TTTTTTT Abuelos. Tuvieron un hijo: "Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734) que estuvo casado con Josepha Basquez (Velasquez?) - (Minillas), Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

Luego ellos tuvieron hijo: Blas Madera que estuvo casado con Maria Theresa Abila

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Puedes ver si hay algo sobre Alvaro Sanchez de Guzman?
Vivía en el primer tercio del siglo XVII en Autlán, hoy Jalisco. Estaba casado con Francisca Corona. Todavía vivían en 1636.
El apellido de D. Alvaro sería Guzmán, pues el Sanchez es patronímco, probablemente.

Gracias y suerte!
Sergio Salés

Was there another Mexticacan near Aguascalientes?

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I'm looking at the baptism record of my ancestor Juana Sanchez from Aguascalientes, back in 1619.

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Hello Steve,

I believe that you were initially right in assuming Mexticacan, Jalisco. I had ancestors from a few families that traveled or left relations in the
Mexticacan/Nochistlan area that were originally from Aguascalientes. These families kept in touch and some moved back while some moved on to Tepatitlan/Jalostotitlan Jalisco.

R.A.Ricci

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Thanks for your reply R.A. Ricci. While having a closer look at how all these villages developed, it does make sense that it referred to Mexticacan. I read somewhere that at the beginning it was difficult to establish a settlement in Aguascalientes with newcomers, and for that reason, the Spanish crown started giving land grants to individuals already settled in other towns in the area.

Carlos de Godoy in Jerez, Zac

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yes i'm pretty sure teresa is a daughter of catalina cid caldera(unless it turns out he married twice)

i don't know if the teresa who married pedro jose contreras is the same one who married alejandro fernandez since i can't find a marriage record for either couple.

i do know that teresa and alejandro had at least three kids together: celedonio, gertrudis, and juan. alejandro has a brother named gregorio and a sister named matiana.

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thank you for responding. Alejandro and Teresa are my 7th gr-grandparents. My problem with this being the same Teresa is the approximate date of her child with Pedro Joseph Contreras but I sure would love to solve this mystery for me! I have 5 children for Alejandro and Teresa. Felipa married to Cosme Barrios and Pedro married to Cecilia Pinedo. I have my files on Rootsweb.com.
thank you again.
Linda Castanon-Long

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yeah alejandro and teresa are ancestors of mines too. i descend from them through their son celedonio fom his first marriage. celedonio married twice first to marcela pereria(alias castaneda), and then married maria uribe.

also alejandro's parents are sebastian fernandez and cacilda lopez

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I also descend from Celedonio Fernandez through his son Agustin Fernandez and his first wife Maria Dolores Sanchez.. looks like we are family. I've also been working with Micaela Gonzales on mutual family lines.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia

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HI,

I have the same information. Theresa Carlos de Godoy (dau of Antonio Carlos and Catalina Cid Caldera de Godoy and granddaugther of Juan Carlos de godoy and Maria Rosales) was married to Pedro Joseph Contreras (I don't have the date). But what I know is that they had at least one dau Rosalia Contreras Carlos de Godoy who married Joseph de Olague. Rosalia Contreras and her husband (Joseph de Olague) had at least one dau Salvadora de Olague born in 1731 in Puesto de MOntesillos, Jerez, Zacatecas.

I hope this helps

susana

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Hi again,

I think I found her. Theresa Carlos de Godoy married Alejandro Fernandez and they had at least one child. Gertrudis Fernandez Carlos de Godoy born in 1704 in Jerez, Zacatecas. This Theresa is the dau of Antonio Carlos de Godoy and Maria Carrillo. Her grandfather was Joseph Carlos de Godoy Rosales (I don't have the name of Joseph's wife). Great grandfather was Juan Carlos de Godoy and Maria Rosales.

I hope this helps

susana

Here is a website with old maps, documents, etc from several Siglos of Colonial Mexico

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This website has an abundance of interesting old maps, documents, etc of Mexico during the different siglos.

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Here is also a website of a number of books about our region in Mexico during the colonial days. When you open link scroll down:

http://www.uaa.mx/direcciones/dgdv/editorial/cata_ccsh.html

As for example these two interesting books:

"El Gobierno De Frontera De San Luis Colotlan y Sus Militias En La Colonia"

"Los Altos De Jalisco Durante La Guerra De Reforma E Imperio De Maximiliano (1850 - 1870)"

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ep7aec.jpg

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Nice find! that map of Jalisco is quite interesting, I just corroborated one town I couldn't exactly locate before (regardless of the map not been geographically exact of course), Thank you for the link, lots of interesting old documents there! Here is another place with lots of maps, some even downloadable with free accounts in case anyone has miss it.

Old Maps

RJ Quiralte

Los Rodríguez de Frías de Nochistlán Zacatecas.

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Hola amigos, ayer envié dos veces éste mensaje y no llegó por lo cual me hizo pensar que estaba muy grande el mensaje y por eso no llegó, por lo cual lo recorté.

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anyone interested in becoming a mod of guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com

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i realize that i don't update the blog that often and in order to update that blog more often to speeden up the progress of indexing all the dispensas collection available on familysearch, i'm interes

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Hi Katy,

I would be interested in helping. I sent you and email with a couple additions for your blog, but don't know if you got it.

Greetings,
(Sergio) Sean Salés

Artists/Painters that traveled in Mexico and drew what they saw

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Back in the Colonial era of Mexico there were a number of artists/painters that traveled through Mexico and drew paintings. Here is a link:

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...according to the pop-up window I got when I tried to access the site you provided. I copied and pasted the site and my Chrome browser blocked it due to malware identified on the site.

The topic of your post, traveling artists of Mexico, sounds very interesting and I'll have to look into it. You may want to edit your original post, though, to prevent others from possible malware damage and problems with their computers and files due to malware on that site.

Thanks,

Sandra Velez

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For example, I took one of the names of the artists "Eugenio Landesio" and look in images "Eugenio Landesio Mexico" and a number of colonial paintings came up. Even old paintings of Haciendas! I am hoping to find old paintings of Haciendas of Zacatecas.

Here is a painting of one of the popular painters of Mexico "Jose Maria Velasco Gomez (1840 - 1912). What catches me on this one is that he is about the same generation as my great grandfather and I also wonder if he looks like my great grandfather as how my great grandfather was described to me by one of the elders of Huejuquilla.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/sdo30o.jpg

Introduction

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My interest in family history comes from my engagement in the Chicano Student Movement in the late 1960's. Although born in Jalisco, Mexico, I came as a child to the United States.

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Published by juancarrillo (no verificado) – Lun, 2014-08-04 01:53 | Enlace permanente

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Juan Carrillo
Manuel Carrillo Bautista was born to Ygnacio Carrillo and Jesusita Contreras. I mistated that he was born to Cliserio Carrillo and Marta Gauna. These are his brother and sister in law.

is there and index of death records in jerez during the early and mid 1900's

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i've tried finding death records for some people on my family tree and have had no luck.

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Kathy have you tried 440991
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-28568-32?cc=1804458&wc…
or civil death records 2177920. The civil death record drops records after 1875 to before 1916, index is on page 693

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22324-2056-52?cc=1916240&…

I also found this civil marriage/death records but can't find a number but here is the way in. marriages/deaths 1871-1919 with the index on this page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22319-20499-89?cc=1916240…
happy hunting
Linda Castanon-Long

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