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Have you checked for Alvizu or other spelling variants Albizu. This surname is of Vasque origin.

What information did you find when you looked at the film for Soledad?
Didn't it list the grandparents? How about for Guadalupe?:

MA. SOLEDAD DELMAS SANDOVAL
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
27 MAR 1869 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: VICTOR DELMAS Family
Mother: CONCEPN. SANDOVAL

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the
birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C600788 1870 - 1871 0245040

Suzy Burt wrote:
> I'd like to hear from anyone who might have info on this family. I believe that Victor must have been the son of Charles Francis Delmas - am I right? Below is all I know.
>
> Victor Delmas married Concepcion Sandoval about 22 June 1868 in El Sagrario or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Two daughters are known: Ma. Soledad, christened (same place as above) 27 March 1869; and Ma. Guadalupe, christened 12 June 1871. Soledad married David Diaz de Leon 16 February 1885 (same place as above).
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Suzy B. Burt
> ~~~~~~~~~~~

Suzy:

The only way to find out is to order the film (0245111) and see who the parents are. It is too bad that they did not extract the parents into the IGI for that film.

There are Delmas much closer to Zacatecas than Tamaulipas in Durango that may be the ancestors of this Victor:

JOSE FELIPE BENICIO DELMAS VILLANUEVA
Christening: 28 AUG 1842 Santiago Papasquiaro, Santiago Papasquiaro, Durango, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN ANTO. DELMAS Family
Mother: PULINA VILLANUEVA
Batch No. C605212 Film 0654999

Delmas is a Catalan name... I have a good friend whose family has a pipe factory in Granollers in Calaunya.

Arturo,

When you say being updated does that mean that you or some other administrator was doing the updating or that we personally were updating our own folders? The reason I ask is that I have not updated my folder since the beginning of the year and mine file was one that had temporarily disappeared a couple of weeks ago.

Here's wishing you a wonderful trip to our beautiful Mexico........warts and all Mexico and it's people are still beautiful.

Atentamente,
Alicia de San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos arturo.ramos2@gmail.com

A number of members have written about their member genealogies folders going missing after updating them. I apologize for the glitch. It appears that due to a change we made to the site when file folders were being updated, they were being taken out of the "Member Genealogy" category and therefore no longer appearing in the file folder listing. However, the folders are still all there and we have restored those of which we have been made aware we have to their correct place. We have also fixed the glitch so this should no longer happen in the future.

If you updated your file folder in the last couple of months, please check the Member Genealogies section to make sure that it still appears there. If it does not, please send us a message at moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org

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Algunos miembros nos han escrito para decirnos que sus carpetas de genealogia se habian desaparecido despues de actualizarlas. Mil disculpas por este molestar. Parece que despues de hacer unos cambios al sitio hace un par de meses, cuando un miembro actualizaba su carpeta, el sistema sacaba la carpeta de la categoria de "Genalogias de Miembros" y asi no aparecia mas en el listado de carpetas. Sin embargo, esas carpetas seguian existiendo y las hemos restaurado a su sitio correcto cuando nos han alertado a esta occurencia. Tambien hemos arreglado el problema tecnico para que ya no ocurra esto en el futuro.

Si actualizaste tu carpeta en los ultimos dos meses, por favor revisa el listado de Genalogia de Miembros para asegurar que aparece aun ahi tu carpeta. Si no esta, por favor avisanos a traves de un mensaje a moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org

Bill,

I have added to my genealogy file research complied on my Salado/Esparza line, with research documentation dating back to 1585.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have researched baptisms for San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. I have found Julian's siblings. I have his parent's marriage and the age of his mother when she married. I calculated her childbearing years. She had a child every one or two years. There is only a 1 year gap 1856 to 1858 and also 1865. I subtracted wrong, so the above date of 1856 to 1858 is not the correct gap. It is 1865 as he was 40 years old listed on a baptism in 1905 where he was a sponsor. All his siblings were born in San Miguel. I have just looked again at the 1865 batch for San Miguel. Sadly I have found that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter for 1865 are not on the microfilm. Also from my records that I had printed when I went through the microfilm by hand do not have any 1865 records from June to December. I have contacted the LDS to find out if they know why those records were missing. I need another document to conclude Julian's age, but I feel 1865 is probably the one.

Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have checked all the baptisms is San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. Sadly none of the children's baptism listed the age of Julian or Catarina. I know his approximate death, but did not find his death in Valle de Guadalupe. I have found Catarina's age in two different baptisms when she was a sponsor, so I think her age may be correct. I know Julian's mothers age at marriage and calculated her childbearing years. She had a baby every one or two years. There are only two gaps where Julian could have been born, so I am thinking the 1865 year is correct. Sadly the microfilm is mising the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of 1865, so this is why I may not be able to find Julian.

There is no doubt you need to use precautions in Mexico.. just as you would any where else including stateside. When we took the bus from Guadajara to Jerez Zacatecas I asked why the roads had been clear-cut back so far and the bus driver said it's because bandits rob the bus's sometimes and this way they have a running chance!

When we got to Tamazula Jalisco and tried to visit a Mendez relative who didn't know me he was extremely fearful of us. When we returned we found he had been kidnapped for ransom, he's family owns casas de cambio so that made him a target.

In Jerez everyone was drinking bottled water much to my surprise, they said the iron content is so high it stains their teeth! Mostly they drank Coka-Cola in glass bottles. They would not allow me to walk anywhere alone but said it was because it would reflect badly on my family! I did find that all the families I visited drank alcohol much more and earlier in the day than we would stateside so beware of long lunches that extend into dinner. Tequila and Sprit seem to be a normal afternoon beverage in Jalisco, Colima and Zacatecas!

When we went to a Cabana in Tapalpa, a couple of hours from Guadalajara we were told not to worry,. that they pay someone to protect the property and people when they visit there, it seems that cutting down and stealing trees is a big problem there and our hostess got guards after finding 20 pines missing just after she bought the property to build her home on.

Advice that was given to me was not to wear jewelry, not to go where there were no women and children and not to go drinking at night. I found in Mexico many places do not take credit cards so you really do need to have cash on hand or access to casa de cambio. I payed attention to all advice and had a wonderful time with many very gracious people. Come to think of it, it's the same advice friends gave me the first time we spent a vacation in the L.A. area...

Linda in Everett

Deena,
I enjoyed reading of your experience in Tijuana...........the stories on the news always sound worse than they really are. The same could be said about the US from the Mexican's point of view. When we go to Mexico you hear stories from the people who have never lived or been to the US about the lack of respect for authority in the United States, about the breakdown of the family because most women work and therefore the children are left to fend for themselves without a figurehead of respect and authority in the home during the day. One also hears about the breakdown in the morality of the family and the promiscuity of the youth, the rampant drug use of the young people etc. etc. I could go on and on. This they hear from the news as portrayed in the US media.........they get the same news there that we get here via CNN and other major newsbroadcasters via cable and from hearsay from people traveling back and forth. Is there some truth here? I would say yes. Is this the
whole truth? No, we can pick anything apart and find good and evil, right and wrong everywhere.

The truth is that crime is everywhere and we need to be careful everywhere. Of course be especially careful when you travel to some unknown region whether it be in the US, Mexico or elsewhere, respect the rules and laws of the country, city or county you are visiting. Respect the customs and traditions of it's people.

When my in-laws were alive we would go to Ensenada at least 3 times a year so that our children could have as much possible contact with their grandparents and the extended family.............It was a time of complete freedom for our children as they could go anywhere without any fear. They could run and play freely at their grandparents and cousins' places, ride horses, feed the chickens make mud pies, pick corn, tomatoes, squash and so much more. They learned of the language, foods, music and family traditions of their parents and grandparents and nothing you can read in a book could ever take the place of the real life experience.

Anyone who is thinking of going....... I say go for it, the warmth of the people especially in the small towns is like nothing else you will ever experience. Yes even the border crossing was an experience.........going both ways.

Thanks for posting this topic.....it brought back many fond memories.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

My children and I lived in Tijuana for two years so my six children
(ages 1 to 12 when we arrived) could learn Spanish and be immersed in the
culture of their father's side of the family. (My husband came to visit us
two weekends every month; at the time he was a homicide investigator with
our local sheriff's department, and there's no such thing as a two-year
sabbatical -- even if we could have afforded it.)

I read the bulletin posted earlier about the dangers of traveling in
certain parts of Mexico, and Tijuana was listed as a place with a high rate
of crime. We lived near the bullring in Fraccionamiento Escondida; it was
the most wonderful experience of our lives, and the only crime we
experienced was that a sweatshirt hanging on the line to dry disappeared.
Meanwhile, the bicycles we had left in America for safekeeping were stolen.

I always bought bottled water to drink-- still do, as a matter of
fact, but we brushed our teeth from the tap. None of us was ever sick
during our stay -- except for the two littlest ones, who got chicken pox
near the end of our stay.

My mother-in-law worried the entire time that something horrible
would happen, however. Luckily, we ignored her warnings. I say ignore your
relatives, and take a chance. It will be an adventure you'll never forget.

~Deena Ortiz~

Hello! Thank you for you offer, I need nothing. But jus in case, about a year ago I needed certain birth certificate, been in Guadalajara I placed my order but was told it wasn´t still digitalized so that I had to go in the municipio it belonged. So I couldn´t get it, I had a ticket for a plane to take me back later the same day. Took a taxi cab and told such story to the driver. He said he knew a lot of cases of that nature and advised me about "El Chato" who is a man that works in the Registro Civil, the offices located in La Normal zone in Guadalajara, Jal., he is in charge of maintenance, wears a blue, long shirt, and for a nice and reasonable tip can get a copy of any record. Hope he is there nowadays.

arturoramos escribió:
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week.

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Sr. Arturo:

Mi nombre es Fernando Pérez y estoy investigando sobre los apellidos de mi familia, es probable que yo también haga el viaje a Jalisco, pero a un pueblo que se llama Cuquio, nunca he estado en la presidencia municipal de el pueblito de mis abuelos, y no se como se manejen las cosas para consultar o pedir copias de los documentos como actas de nacimiento o de matrimonio, ¿Me podría dar algunos consejos para que en caso de que esté por aquel lugar pueda accesar a los mencionados documentos?.

De antemano le agradezco su ayuda.

Leticia:

Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya ordené unos films, pero me dí cuenta que que solamente tienen información de una de las iglesias del pueblo y falta información de la otra, por lo que la persona que está ahí asesorando me aconsejó que buscara en la Diócesis a la que pertenecia en este tiempo las iglesias de Cuquío, así que ahora estoy investigando a ver como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los años de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas

I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.

However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.

I can't find it either. Send it to me along with any other files you
want in your folder and I'll make one up for you. I truly can't remember
if you had one or if your work was only in the gedcom area. Give me a
couple of days and I'll make one up for you.

include the following information:

1) your full name
2) your username
3) the name you want each file named
4) geographical area within our area you are searching
5) email address for your subscription to NR group.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

longsjourney wrote:
> I've done it again.. always misplacing things!
>
> Joseph or Arturo, I submitted my Mendez family genealogy file but now I can't find it in my file.. can you locate it for me since I must have put it somewhere it doesn't belong?
>
> Thank you, Linda in Everett

At last something I can relate to even if I don't really understand the subject matter? The Melchor de Valencia y Piña y doña Juana de Peña they are talking about are my direct ancestors from Tanganciquaro Michoacan. I am related through their son Melchor and wife Ysabel Morfin married 5 Feb 1664. Their daugther Gertrudis born June 1687 married Estevan Alvarez del Castillo April 1706. Their daughter Celia Francisca Alvarez del Castillo married Manuel Gerardo Gutierrez 8 Oct 1748. Manuel and Celia moved from Michoacan to Jalisco where their son Benito was found but I have not been able to find where in Jalisco the children of Manuel and Celia were living and married. How nice to see someone familiar even if I don't know what they are talking about! My mother is the Gutierrez from this line.
Linda Castanon-Long

Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 27-nov-2006 16:18
Subject: [Genealogia.org.mx] 7800 Re: 7391 Navarro Gaytán. Para José de
Loza.
To: Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com

Hola a todos:

He iniciado correspondencia electronica con El Dr. en Derecho Don
Mariano Gonzalez Leal de la Cd. de Leon, Gto., autor del libro
"Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", cuya segunda edicion
considerablemente aumentada, ya que en tentantiva seran 10 tomos
o mas, y que segun la informacion de Don Mariano esta preparando
y espera imprimirla a fines del 2007 o inicios del 2008, le comente
sobre las inquietudes de los Navarro Gaytan y esto fue lo que me
contesto al respecto,y lo comparto con ustedes:

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No se han localizado las dispensas Navarro - de la Torre en el Archivo del
Episcopado. Deben estar en la parte de las cajas que tenìa aparte el Padre
Eucario y que todavía no son abiertas.
La documentación relativa al matrimonio Navarro - Orozco está en el Archivo
del Provisorato Michoacano, en la Casa de Morelos de Morelia. No la tengo.
Le puedo decir, sin embago, por otras fuentes, que don Luis fue el segundo
hijo del matrimonio; que nació en 1663; y que su matrimonio con doña Isabel
de Orozco y Villarroel ocurrió en 1683.
Esta doña Isabel nació en Zamora en 1671; fue hija de Juan Maciel-Blancarte
y Orozco del Castillo, originario de Tangancícuaro, y de doña Ana de Piña,
nacida en Tangancícuaro en 1628. Abuelos paternos: Álvaro Maciel y doña
Isabel Orozco del Castillo; maternos, Melchor de Valencia y Piña y doña
Juana de Peña.
En mi obra en preparación hallará usted otros datos sobre estas familias.
Le mando un cordial saludo,
Mariano González-Leal.

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Ya vi el archivo anexo, lo llenare, pero indiquenme a quien se lo
envio de regreso.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
2006/11/27, José De Loza :
>
> Jorge
> Benicio
> Envio el archivo con mis datos, ya modifique el archivo indice que
> mencionabas y puse mis datos.
>
> Saludos a todos
> Jose de Loza
>
> El día 24/11/06, Jorge Hernÿffffe1ndez
> escribió:
> >
> > Sobre La hoja de direcciones sugiero que se la enviemos a Benicio y una
> > capia a todos, pero sin subirla con domicilios y teléfonos, sólo los
> > nombres.
> > Gabriel H S
> >
> > *Jorge Hernÿffffe1ndez *escribió:
> >
> > José :
> > Qué bueno que te intereses. Te sugiero que bajes el archivo Propuesta
> > de Indice - Excel_ Lle borres mis datos y los subas con los tuyos.
> > Saludos. Gabriel
> >
> > *José De Loza < deloza@gmail.com>* escribió:
> >
> > Gabriel
> > me parece muy buena tu idea y sí, tambien estoy interesado.
> > salñudos
> > Jose de Loza
> > Tomas Alejandro, creo por alli habia leido algo de los valdivia.
> > Te anoto algo en lo que tengo dudas.
> > es sobre:
> > Margarita Romero de Valdivia (1647)
> > hija de Pedro Valdivia(1623) e Ines Lopez (1627)
> > pedro Valdivia (1623)
> > hijo de Hernando de Valdivia (1596) y Agueda de Torres (1600)
> > Hernando de Valdivia (1596)
> > Hijo de Pedro de Valdivia(1555) Y Maria Gutierrez
> > pero en un registro encuentro un dato de este Pedro de Valdivia (1555)
> > casado con Catalina Bravo y Sanchez, de Badajoz, España
> >
> >
> > si estos son los mismos entonces:
> > Pedro de Valdivia (1555) es hijo de:
> > Pedro Gutierrez de Valdivia (1513) y Maria Gutierrez donoso (1525)
> > Pedro Gutierrez Valdivia (1513) es hijo de:Diego Gonzalez e Ines
> > Gonzalez
> > Diego Gutierrez de Valdivia (1490) y Leonor Gonzalez (1491) hija de
> > Diego Gutierrez de Valdivia (1490) es hijo de:
> > Pedro Gutierrez de Valdivia (1470) y Mis hernandez
> > Pedro Gutierrez de Valdivia (1470) es hijo de:
> > Pedro Gutierrez de Valdivia(1440) y Maria Diaz (1440) hija de Alvaro
> > Diaz
> > Pedro Gutierrez de Valdivia(1440) es hijo de:
> > Hernando Valdivia y Aguilera (1420) y Gila Gutierrez (1418)
> > Hernando Valdivia y Aguilera (1420) hijo de:
> > Pedro Ruiz de Valdivia (1390) y Mencia Ramirez de Aguilera (1398)
> > Pedro Ruiz de Valdivia (1390) hijo de:
> > Mencia Ramirez de Aguilera (1398) hija de Alonso Gonzalez de Aguilera y
> > Maria de Quero la Buesa
> > Luis Ruiz de Valdivia (1358) y Beatriz Gonzalez de Guzman
> > Luis Ruiz de Valdivia (1358) hijo de:
> > Alonso Ruiz de Valdivia(1326) y Leonor de Guzman
> >
> >
> >
> > El día 24/11/06, Jorge Hernÿffffe1ndez
> > escribió:
> > >
> > > Subí a Grupo de Genealogía la propuesta que hago de un indice regional
> > > para los que andamos buscando en la regiòn de la Rivera, Altos y Bajío.
> > > A Tomás, Enrique , Jorge y otros les pido que me den su opiniòn,
> > > Gabriel de Morelia
> > >
> > > *José De Loza < deloza@gmail.com>* escribió:
> > >
> > > Jorge Luis
> > > so lo que he revisado y de los datos de que Pedro Navarro Gaytan y
> > > Maria Margarita de Ornelas Aveces estan emparentados, seria mas o menos de
> > > la siguiente forma:
> > > Jospeh Navarro Gaytan (Joseph navarro Orosco hermanos
> > > Pedro Navarro Gaytan (Pedro Joseph Navarro Orozco) casado
> > > en 1720 con Petronila Gutierrez
> > > viudo
> > > Casado en 1723 con Maria Ornelas Aceves
> > >
> > > hijo de Luis Navarro Gaytan (1663) e Ysabel de Orozco
> > >
> > > Luis Navarro Gaytan
> > > hijo de Pedro Navarro Gaytan (1637) casado en 1658 con Catarina
> > > Gonzalez de Hermosillo (1637)
> > >
> > > Pedro Navarro Gaytan(1637) hijo de
> > > Pedro Navarro Gaytan(1593) Y Maria Cabrera(1596)
> > >
> > > Catarina Gonzalez de Hermosillo(1637) hija de Juan Gonzalez de
> > > Hermosillo y Ana Gonzalez Florida
> > >
> > > Pedro Navarro Gaytan81593)
> > > hijo de Mateo Navarro Y Geronima Briseño Gaitan
> > >
> > >
> > > por el otro lado yo tengo lo siguiente
> > >
> > > Mateo Navarro (1693) ocotlan casado con Mencia Aveces
> > > Hijo de Matheo Navarro y Catalina de la Mora
> > >
> > > Este otro Mateo Navarro no se si es Mateo Navarro Gaytan de 1642 hijo
> > > de Pedro Navarro Gaytan 1593 y Maria Cabrera o es uno intemedio
> > > con lo que margarita Ornelas descienda de los aceves casados
> > > emparentados con los Navarro
> > >
> > >
> > > parece interesante
> > > Tal vez Alguien pueda aclararlo, de cualquier maner tambien preguntaré
> > > este dato a Hugo
> > >
> > > Saludos
> > > Jose de Loza
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El día 26/10/06, Ramírez < georgio_2386@hotmail.com > escribió:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Muchas gracias por tu ayuda, espero y seguir en contacto con tigo.
> > > >
> > > > Saludos.
> > > > Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Daniel, this site shows that Huanusco is close to Aguascalientes so Joseph's info is probably correct, worth ordering the film. http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Linda

mormonboy74 wrote:

I'm looking for my great 4x grandfather Eugenio del Camino born around 1836 but I cant find him. He was born in Huanusco, Zacatecas, Mexico any information is appreciated. Thanks

more info needed. Who was he married to and do you know where they were
married? Also do you have some of their children's names other than your
3x great grandparent? where were they born?married?

more info needed.

joseph

ps: might he have been married to Dolores Martines in Calvillo?

EUGENIO CAMINO
Male Family

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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

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Marriages:
Spouse: DOLORES MARTINES

Family

Marriage:
11 JUL 1849 San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:
Type:

M604354

1813 - 1854 0635887

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

mormonboy74 wrote:
> I'm looking for my great 4x grandfather Eugenio del Camino born around 1836 but I cant find him. He was born in Huanusco, Zacatecas, Mexico any information is appreciated. Thanks