Let me suggest that he either join outright or just possibly be willing to
occasionally send us a lesson via email. I understand he must be tremendously
busy so joining might not be appealing to him but if we could just catch
a bit of knowledge and information here and there and I'm sure we'll all
see benefit. Thanks Roberta,



joseph



Roberta wrote:

Joseph - I'll email Steven Hernandez and invite him to join

our group.  He has explained a couple of my gggrandmother/father's

marriage certificates (with dispensas) (it seems as though
all of my relatives were

either 2nd 3rd or 4th cousins when they married). 

I'll let you know what he says - apparently Steven has a
lot of geneology

information in the Los Altos area of Jalisco.

 

Roberta

-----Original Message-----

From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...]

Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:28 AM

To: LosRanchos

Subject: [ranchos]

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:28
AM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos]
CapitanLazaroMartinDelCampo_Gif File/INFO
Request

I hope this works but I'm converting the
file sent in Tif format to Gif
format. I hope that those of you having
trouble opening the file will
now be able to. I'm not sure this is going
to work. . .we'll see.

joseph

ps: Roberta. I was wondering if
you could transcribe what is in the
bottom left corner about the
Matrimonio Dispensas and give us all a
little lesson on what this is all

Si hay alguien en el grupo que necesita unos de los mensajes traducidos
yo puedo hacer la lucha.

mi español no es muy bueno pero con tiempo puedo hacerlo.

joseph

================

If anyone in the group needs some of the messages translated I can give
it a try.

my spanish is not very good but with a little time I can do it.

joseph

I hope this works but I'm converting the file sent in Tif format to Gif
format. I hope that those of you having trouble opening the file will
now be able to. I'm not sure this is going to work. . .we'll see.

joseph

ps: Roberta. I was wondering if you could transcribe what is in the
bottom left corner about the Matrimonio Dispensas and give us all a
little lesson on what this is all about. Its such a wonderful source of
info when it can be found. Can you type it out so we can read that
section better and then give us a few words? thanks.

hey Maybe you can convince your Cousin Steven Hernandez to send us a all
a lesson about how he has used the Matrimonio Dispensas in his genealogy
work. We all could only hope to one day achieve a small portion of what
he has found in his genealogy.

Welcome to the group.

thanks for telling us your genealogy. there are a couple of people here
working on Villegas but I don't know if their Villegas are the same as
your Villegas.

So here's what I'm understanding:

your great grand parents are:

Teodoro Rosales (dob: _____ place of birth______) and Tomasita Villegas
(dob: ________ Place of birth ______)

children:

1) Porfiria Rosales (dob:_____ place of birth _____) married Rosendo
Montes (dob:______ Place of birth:_______)

try to give just a little more information so we can see if they are
from the same areas of Jalisco or Zacatecas that we are researching.
Especially the place of birth. We can kind of guess the dates of birth
some time in the mid to late 1800's but the place of birth is important.
Sometimes all the Villegas from certain little Ranchos were "ALL" related.

Also do you have any place and dates of death for the great grandparents
(if this applies)? Any places of marriage? Do you use the LDS Family
S

Today I found the parents of my GGG grandparents: Felipe Santa Maria y
Benita Miranda in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

Felipe's parents were: Jose Salome Santa Maria y Maria Francisca Ortiz

Benita's parents were: Gabriel de Miranda y Maria Nicolasa Miranda

Well this last couple brings up a good point: Matrimonio Dispensas

If this couple were possibly related and needed special permission to
get married it is possible for up to 4 generations of their genealogy to
be waiting in a "Matrimonio Dispensa" So since this is in the late
1700's when this couple got married its possible with one record to
maybe get shotputted right back into the 1600's

So if you see any same surname marriages in your genealogy think of a
possible blessing waiting to be revealed to your genealogy.

Kitty. . . Do you have any comments on this?

joseph

ps: its 3 am and i'm off to bed. More on Matrimonio dispensas later. Ask
me about it in the group if you want to see it sooner than later.

Gene's as in Genealogies.

This is a request for more of you to provide your genealogies so we can
make some serious comparisons.

Afterall that is kind of what i was hoping for when I started the group.
for a place where we can share our Genealogies and possible make some
connections. for a place where we can share info on the different things
we've learned. you know share of ourselves in hopes that what goes
around comes around. . .good things have to happen if we research as a
group.

joseph

ps: now some of you might not have some of those fancy programs for
inserting your work (for less than $50 you can get the bare bones
version of Family Tree Maker 10). But never fear just put it down
something like this.

Rodrigo Rodriguez (dob: 1892) married Chavela Vela (dob 1895) they had
the following children:

1)  Hector (dob: 1915)
2) Dulse (dob: 1916)
3) Cariño (dob: 1917)
4)  Suavecito (dob:1918)
5)  Eleuterio (dob: 1919)
6)  Titere (dob: 1920)

Hector above married so

Hi Evie and Everyone,

Just wondering what info you have on Juan Jose Leaños and Maria Amaya?
Do you have a marriage certificate? Do you happen to know if he was
either before or after married to a Maria Antonia Ledesma?

If so then we might be cousins. . .my ggggg Grandparents the parents of
Miguel and Maximo Leaños are Juan Jose Leañps amd Maria Antonia Ledesma?

what do you think? Close enough or no cigar?

joseph

Hello my name is Juanita Hinojosa aka Janie. I recently found this 
site and felt I had check it out.  I am researching the Rosales 
surname. I don't have much information other than my 
greatgrandparents names were Teodoro Rosales and Tomasita Villegas, I 
don't have anything information on them. Their daughter (my 
grandmother) was Porfiria Rosales whom married Rosendo Montes(z)son 
of Desiderio Montes(z) and Francisca ?
Porfiria was born in Zacatecas, anyone reconizing these names please 
email me at Janie9559@.... Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Turner
[mailto:cdian@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:46
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Intro

Hi Roberta, just curious how far back you have gone
on your Gomez line. I have a gggggrandmother Rita Gertudis Gomez married to
Juan Muro probably in the late 1740's.

Carol

Roberta wrote:

 Hi Irma  - My
name is Roberta Romero.  My family is from the Tepatitlan, Jalisco
area(Rancho Presa de
Gomez) - my family is the Martin Del Campo family, but we do
haveFranco, Perez,
Gonzales and Gomez in our line.   Let me know the names of your
peopleand I will check to
see if we have a connection. Roberta
RomeroAlbuquerque,