alice wissing wrote:

Hello Everybody,

My name is Alice Wissing and I'm introducing myself to the group.
Before I say anything else, I want to tell Steve Apodaca, another

newcomer, how fortunate he is to be in his early 20's and
researching his family.

I'll Amen that. I'm 50 and if I had started when I was 20 I could have
talked to my mother, father, grandmother, even some really old folks
that were alive at that time. ooooh, just thinking about all that oral
history that passed before I got interested. If I had one word of advice
it would be "ORAL HISTORY." (well I guess thats two). Remember these old
records we're finding have been sitting there waiting for us to come dig
them up but with every generation that passes the oral history passes
with them and it is unrecoverable. . .forever lost. the stories and
really important stuff about who we are is gone. Steve, Alice, all. .
.go for the oral history.

I wish I had started at such a young age,
as it has been an

I was invited to this group by Joseph Puentes. I think it is a great 
idea to create a group not only focused in genealogy but in a 
specific area.
My name is Steve Apodaca. As you can see in the family tree that I 
recently uploaded, I am in my early 20's. Until last year I was a 
college student, but dropped out because of lack of cash. Now I am 
working and saving money so that I go back to school. During my free 
time, I do my genealogy research. I started my research a couple 
years ago, but because of school and work and other 'duties' I 
haven't researched as much as I wished. I have not found ancestors 
in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, yet. All of my ancestors come from 
the state of Jalisco. These are the towns and surnames that I am 
researching.

Amacueca: Aguilar
Atenguillo: Curiel, Pena, Diaz, Cazarez
Barranca del Espiritu Santo: Frias
El Crucero: Ramirez, Gamino, Ursua, Ornelas
Guadalajara: Tapia
San Marcos Evangelista: Cervantes
Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Bonal
Sayula

Hello, it is true what you say about this classification upgrade 
because I found that in my own research. My ancestor Jose Domingo 
Apodaca was classified as a mestizo in his marriage certificate from 
1784. His wife was espanola. Of course, his son Antonio Apodaca 
would be mestizo too, right? But when I found the marriage record of 
the son, he was classified as espanol, the same as the mother. Was 
the indian blood lost from one generation to the next? I have read 
that these racial terms had no scientific basis, and they were used 
to describe the appearance of the individual, rather than his ethnic 
mixture. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, alice wissing  
wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico 
the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not 
necessarily being part black.  It's probably safe to say that if a 
person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and 
mestizo used during the

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http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP

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go to "Racial Ternminology"

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or:

go to www.familysearch.org and

go to "Library"

go to "Education"

go to  "Family History Library

For Spanish terms in New Mexico church records go to:
http://www.genealogybranches.com/valencia/wordlist.html

Mestizo - mixture of Spanish & Mexican Indian
Coyote - mixture of Indian & Mestizo (may also denote a mixture of 
Spanish & New Mexican Indian)

So in New Mexico a Coyota(e) could be a person with blood 
mixture of half Spanish and half mestiza.  A mestiza is half Spanish 
and half Indian.  So that would be 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 Indian.   As  
always  it depended on the Priest's judgment.

* * * * * *
In Mexico, 
>From an email to me from John Schmal:
"I want to also tell you that there is a great degree of imprecision 
with priests classifying people according to color, dress, language, 
social status, customs, or according to their own perceptions and 
biases.  Thus, one priests' coyote may be another priest's lobo or 
another priest's mestizo or another priests's mulato libre...in fact, in 
the book I recently co authored with Donna Morales we discussed 
this problem and