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Names

To address the issue of only using the first name for a mother on a baptismal record.
I was told by a researcher that the mother would have been "India", and did not have a surname however, she was given a Christian name by the priest. Also, once the woman, "India", married she would then take her husbands surname.
I would guess that this was the researchers conclusion.
Happy Hunting
Helyn Castaneda

alice_wissing wrote:

While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came across
an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his wife
during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last name
only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the mother's
first name was listed.  I was under the impression an illegitimate
child never used his father's last name, so this confused me.

I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but it
will take weeks for me to receive it.  In the meantime, does anyone
know if there were strict

Names

Hello. During my research, I once found a record of an illegitimate 
child just by chance. I was checking the baptisms in Atotonilco el 
bajo/santa clara, Jalisco of children with the last name Cervantes. 
Most of them were not related to me, but I found a girl whose last 
name was Cervantes. she was the illegitimate daughter of a woman with 
the last name Hernandez and of my greatgrandfather's brother Bacilio 
Apodaca. However, she was not named neither Apodaca or Hernandez. 
Why? Because in the record it showed that this child was not claimed 
by the father, but by the paternal grandmother, Guadalupe Cervantes. 
So, in this case, the child inherited the paternal's grandmother's 
maiden surname. 

I believe there's not a standard about naming illegitimate children, 
since my second great grandfather Evaristo Ramirez kept the last name 
of his father, even though he was a natural child.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "alice_wissing"  
wrote:
> While looking at the

Names

In my
genealogy research using records of baptism (1700-1800) from Zacatecas and
Chihuahua, I found when a child was born out of wedlock, the child would take
the mother's last name.  The father's name was never mentioned or listed,
only those of the godparents, maternal grandparents, and mother. The
mother's full name was always listed.  Also, I don't know if this was true
for other parts of Mexico.
 
Good
luck.
 
Alberto Duarte
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: alice_wissing
[mailto:alice_wissing@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004
4:56 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos]
Names

While looking at the International Genealogical
Index I came across
an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other
than his wife
during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's
last name
only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the mother's

first name was listed.  I was under the impression an illegitimate

child never used his father

Names

A couple of my ancestresses were "hijas natural"
and had "padre no conocido".  They had their mother's maiden names. 
For example, my grandmother's grandmother was Petra Gomez whose madre was
Maria del Refugio Gomez but padre was no conocido.
 
My father's father birth record says he was hijo
natural of Dorotea Hernandez and then mentions the two male witnesses.  On
my dad's birth certificate, the abuelos paternos were Pasqual Hernandez and
Dorotea Martinez.  Then on my dad's BAPTISMAL record, it states the abuelos
paternos were Pasqual Hernandez and Dorotea Ramos.  Go figure.
 
Marge:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:55
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Names

While looking at the International Genealogical Index I
came across
an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than
his wife
during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last
name
only (no mother

Names

While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came across 
an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his wife 
during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last name 
only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the mother's 
first name was listed.  I was under the impression an illegitimate 
child never used his father's last name, so this confused me.

I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but it 
will take weeks for me to receive it.  In the meantime, does anyone 
know if there were strict standards regarding an illegitimate 
child's use of a father's last name?  And also, why would only a  
first name be listed for a mother?  I see this all the time while 
perusing the IGI.  

Thanks,

Alicia


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sgapodaca wrote:

Hello. I am stuck with a branch of my genealogy and have a doubt 
that maybe some of you may answer. When you think that you found 
your earliest ancestor in Mexico, how do you start your research on 
that line on another country?

Well if it were me I'd start by evaluating the evidence pointing me to
another country. If I had strong compelling evidence I'd consider a
move in that direction. If I didn't I'd search frame by frame films
easily avialable via the LDS system. If that didn't work I'd go to
outside the LDS system info or be looking into this info at the same
time. . .maybe some Tlajomulco letters to the church(s) are in order or
possibly consider a one time consultation with someone that is well
versed in the history/genealogy of that area. Below there is a census
from the Archivo de Indias that is available with some effort. I guess
the main point I'm trying to make is to make sure you are pointed in
the right direction before you jump. . .otherwise

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