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My family tree

Hello, as promised, here's an updated version of my family tree. Use 
size 150% or larger to navigate it. By the way, I put as the 
background picture the church of San Francisco de Asis in Zacoalco 
de Torres, Jalisco. It was in that place where many of my ancestors 
had their baptisms, marriages, and funerals.

You may have noticed that my family lines extend mainly to the 
southern pueblos of Jalisco (once called Provincia de Avalos). Many 
of you have deep roots in los Altos, however. I already knew that my 
Tapia ancestors were from los Altos, but I did not know from where. 
Now that I found a marriage record in Lagos de Moreno, I will start 
researching my Tapia line. I hope I can find some cousins in this 
group.

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New file uploaded to ranchos


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Valparaiso, Zacatecas

How do you relate those surnames to that region? If I
may ask?  I have Castro in my mother's line, but I
have only been able to trace it back to Vicente Castro
around the mid 1800's and he lived in El Castro, Sain
Alto, Zacatecas.  

Perhaps he came from Valparaiso, that could be a
possibility.  

Dora
--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Is anyone in the group studying in the Valparaiso,
> Zacatecas area?
> 
> if so might you have these surnames in your family:
> Castro, Garcia, 
> Duenas, Martinez, and/or Arevalo?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 



		
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Valparaiso, Zacatecas

Is anyone in the group studying in the Valparaiso, Zacatecas area?

if so might you have these surnames in your family: Castro, Garcia,
Duenas, Martinez, and/or Arevalo?


joseph



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In the early 1700's the Spanish scholars declared the new world
Indians as members of the "human race" and therefore, worthy of catholic soul
conversion. This started taking effect in the Spanish new world colony records
shortly thereafter, resulting in church record alteration and an emphasis on
baptism.

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I read somewhere that the reason the race stops being documented was 
a result of the Mexican Independence. Much like the American 
Independence in which "all men are created equal", the Mexican 
Independence established similar laws.  Thus, it became illegal to 
note the person's race.  The year when the law was put into practice 
will vary from parrish to parrish, but, it would be in the early 
1820's.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> alice wissing wrote:
> 
> > Alberto,
> >  
> > There is a table in the book "Governance & Society in Colonial 
Mexico 
> > - Chihuahua in the Eighteenth Century" that contains the number 
of 
> > baptisms occurring in El Sagrario Parish broken down by race.  
In 1780 
> > there were 66 mulatos, and in 1790 there were 0.  It's as if 
they 
> > disappeared during a decade.
> 
> One thing I've noticed and seem to think it had reference to the 
> struggle for Independance from Spain. . . But at a

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You are correct about assimilation. Early terms were sambos (black and
white) and zambos (black and Indian or mestizo). These two terms became mulatto
and later raza in order to establish ethnic pride after independence from
Spain.

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In a message dated 1/21/2005 1:37:17 PM Central Standard Time, makas@nc.rr.com writes:

One thing I've noticed and seem to think it had reference to the struggle for Independance from Spain. . . But at a certain time period the records in Jalisco seem to stop indicating people by race. Those that were mestizo, mulato, espanol, indio etc are seen in the records as just people. I'm not sure of the date but somewhere in the early 1800's this absence of referring to race occured. Maybe what you are seeing is a gradual move from the "importance" of establishing race to the more politically correct or "preference" of the people to not have race play such an important part. Just a thought.

I did a large paper for my masters degree about African slavery throughout Latin America.  One of the things that stood out in my mind was that the "whitening" of Latin America occurred shortly after United States's attained Independence.  The general feeling was that the reason U.S. was doing alot better

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Hello Guillermo.

Well, I do not agree with your point that there are very few blacks 
in Mexico. Blacks did not dissapear, they just melted with indios and 
espanoles and formed today's mexican society. If you go to any town 
in Mexico and look around, you'll find lots of people that have small 
traces from these ancestors. And I'm not just talking about the color 
of the skin, but also of the facial features and body complexion. 

On my personal experience, I have seen lots of baptisms of both free 
and slave mulattos in the Zacoalco, Jalisco area. Today, you don't 
see mulatos there, but believe me, if you look closely, you'll find 
them. Heck, even myself, I look more white than black or indian, but 
I am always aware (and proud) of my recently proven black heritage. 
(Maybe that explains my slightly wide nose). Also, maybe Joseph can 
confirm this: my sister lives in Winston-Salem, NC. Most of the 
Mexican immigrants in that area are from the state of Guerrero. I 
visited NC once

SALUDOS TO EVERYONE





alice wissing wrote:

Alberto,
 
There is a table in the book "Governance & Society in
Colonial Mexico - Chihuahua in the Eighteenth Century" that contains
the number of baptisms occurring in El Sagrario Parish broken down by
race.  In 1780 there were 66 mulatos, and in 1790 there were 0.  It's
as if they disappeared during a decade.

One thing I've noticed and seem to think it had reference to the
struggle for Independance from Spain. . . But at a certain time period
the records in Jalisco seem to stop indicating people by race. Those
that were mestizo, mulato, espanol, indio etc are seen in the records
as just people. I'm not sure of the date but somewhere in the early
1800's this absence of referring to race occured. Maybe what you are
seeing is a gradual move from the "importance" of establishing race to
the more politically correct or "preference" of the people to not have
race play such an important part. Just a thought.

One thing we can be