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Fwd: Somos Primos February 2005 lq

Steven,



I guess you saw how I was rambling on and on about music and such and
decided to send this to see if I'd root out the gold. Well I'm sure
there is other Gold in this issue but the URL:
http://www.nuevosvalores.com/index.htm is so so cool. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Also I see there is a nice: Afro-Mexican
Racial & Ethnic Self-Identity: thesis abstract by Alva Moore
Stevenson
article and also a
1653
Sancta Provincia de Xalísco: 
Carlos Martín Herrera de la Garza
article. Yes this particular issue is rich for all of us. Not to
mention what other info we can find.



I don't know why i've been negligent but Mimi Lozano's notification of
a new issue email should be posted every month. Thanks for doing this
and if you want to great otherwise I'll start posting her notification
message on the group regularly.



thanks Steven,



joseph



Pacorro73@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/1/2005 10:54:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MIMILOZANO writes:

SOMOS

Bobadilla

Fernando Dias' parents are:
FERNANDO DIAS and ANTTTONIA MORILLO

Juana De Escobedo's parents are:
JN. DE CARDENAS and MICHAELA DE ESCOBEDO  

Perhaps she should have been listed as a Cardenas...

- Angie

--------------------

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
  Female
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
  Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA  
  Male
Parents: 
  Father:  ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  JUANA DE ESCOBEDO
  Marriage:  16 FEB 1726   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically

Castaneda was: Raigosa/Raygoza

cool cool cool, I'm a Castaneda and would very very much be interested
in who Rozalia's parents are. Per chance might they be: Luis Castaneda
and Melchora Miramontes? If we find out this question it might mean
we're primos. Unfortunately I don't own this film and will have
consider ordering it.



thanks Angie,



joseph



aajay1073 wrote:

Victor,

I think I might have some information for you.

I found this marriage record:
JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
  Male
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
  Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:
 M607141  1754 - 1769  0443969   Film

But there also seems to be a Joseph Antonio Raigosa married to a 
Rosalia Castaneda.  I am not sure if this is the same couple or two 
different couples.

Bobadilla

Now we're cooking with gas. . .if you [sorry I got lost and forgot who
the original Poster was. . .was it Mickey?] get to the films before I do
I'd be interested in finding out who Fernando Dias' parents are. . .I'm
a Dias but I have a feeling that this Dias is not one of mine but who
said this kind of research is about feelings. Confirmation is king!
thanks Angie.


aajay1073 wrote:

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
 Female
Parents:
 Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
 Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
 Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
 Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA
Male
Parents:
Father: ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA

 Mother:  MA. DE AVILA

Marriages:
Spouse: JUANA DE ESCOBEDO
Marriage: 16 FEB 1726 San Luis

Raigosa/Raygoza

Angie,

Thank you very much for your input.

I do have a Maria Alvina Raygoza as my 4th great grandmother.  My records indicate that she was the daughter of Josseph Raygoza and Rozalia Castaneda. But now I just have two of her siblings: Maria Antonia and José Pablo.

After reviewing each record in the information you sent me I'll let you know my conclusions.

Thanks again!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> I think I might have some information for you.
> 
> I found this marriage record:
> JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA





April 15, 2005

Mickey,

All are batch numbers.  The names are exactly as they appear so you shouldn't have any problems locating them.

Hope this is the one you're looking for!

Victor.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> Victor:
> 
> Is J602664 the microfilm number?  Or Batch?
> 
> I have been looking for this name fro many years.....I trip to Monclova this 
> weekend was to find something to help me jump to Jalisco.  I do know he was 
> born in Guadalajara...and that is all...I have no second surname....so...many 
> this is it...
> 
> Also M603184....film or batch?  I guess I will check for both.
> 
> Thank you, and thank you for this group...the only one that has been a help 
> to me.  
> 
> Mickey




Bobadilla

Here is some other records you might be interested in, siblings of 
Pablo:

NICOLAS DE BOBADILLA
  Male
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  GETRUDIS LOPES
  Marriage:  26 JUN 1720   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781  

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
  Female
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
  Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA  
  Male
Parents:

Raigosa/Raygoza

Victor,

I think I might have some information for you.

I found this marriage record:
JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
  Male
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
  Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:
 M607141  1754 - 1769  0443969   Film

But there also seems to be a Joseph Antonio Raigosa married to a 
Rosalia Castaneda.  I am not sure if this is the same couple or two 
different couples.  Here is a list of children:

MARIA ANTONIA RAYGOZA CASTANEDA
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1765 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
Marriage: 24 Oct 1781 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico

MARIA ALVINA RAYGOZA CASTANEDA
Gender: Female Christening: 27 DEC 1766 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSSEPH PABLO RAYGOZA

Coyote

I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is listed as a mestiza. 
In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors where they are clearly
noted as espagnol.  Lastly, her son's birth record lists him as
espanol.  I think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping on
the job.:)  Marge:) 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:40
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote

Hello:

In reference to being, Español,
mulato/a, coyote, etc.  I have an ancestor who is in different documents
all of the above....go figure that one out!  This was in
Coahuila!!

Mickey


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New file uploaded to ranchos

A little bit of history....
These two states are not only next to each other,
Aguascalientes was once part of Zacatecas! 
Approximately in 1845, the President, or dictator, of
Mexico, Santa Ana, punished Zacatecas for being to
independent by taking Aguascalientes away from them.  

There was a liberal movement in Zacatecas against
Santa Ana led by Francisco Garcia Salinas, an ancestor
from Jerez, that antagonized Santa Ana. So he punished
them by taking away Aguascalientes from them and
making it a state. 

Poor Mexico, this was just one of the many disasters
that would happen to Mexico and its people for the
next 160 years.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- MGM8938@... wrote:

> Dear Angie:
> 
> Whoever you are...wow...wow..wow!!!
> 
> Thank you so much.  Short note, I accidently found
> all these ancestors in 
> Salt Lake City.  When I put in the state I put Aguas
> instead of Zac...which is 
> what I was always told that the Alvares came
> from....well...as we know Zac and 
> Aguas are