Arturo,
Please send us a copy of your Tlaltenango Census.  Thank you 
Rich and Kitty Cortez
Rocklin, CA 


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription of a 1650 
> Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and email to 
whomever 
> would like it.  There is not much in terms of names... only the 
> owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the number of 
> people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some 
> interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic 
> information in it.  The names that are mentioned include:
> 
> Antonio de Castro
> Lorenzo de Miramontes
> Tomasina de Haro
> Hernando Lamas
> Martin Gonzalez
> Juan de Miramontes
> Domingo de Lamas
> Martin Tello de Orozaco
> Martin Lopez
> (los) Melendes
> Francisco de Luna
> Pedro de Solis
> Antonio de Rivera
> Luis Felix Delgado
> Mencia (la vuida mulata libre)
> Pedro Garcia de Morones
> Pedro Lopez

I just got back the first set of results for my Y-DNA-12 marker and 
it places my paternal lineage in the E3b haplogroup... This 
haplogroup is related to ethnic groups originating in Southern Italy, 
Southeastern Europe and the Middle East.  Looks like this is a 
Sephardic lineage.

I will be getting back the remainder of the markers (13 through 25) 
as well as the MtDNA (matrilineal) results in a couple of weeks.

I saw from previous posts that group members' maternal lines tend to 
be Haplogroup A. Is that correct?

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Emilie,
> 
> As always, it is evident that you're doing your homework and usually
> marching one step ahead of the rest of us.
> 
> Like yourself, I have been most intrigued by all those stories that
> you mentioned about the early Spanish colonizers, particularly more 
so
> when I realised that the Y haplogroup to which I belong to is not 
the
> typical Western European haplogroup but one

Thanks for sharing.  I've also heard some places in
Mexico they also have contests on the best alter in
the cemetery.  I don't think I would be afraid going
into the graveyard at night with a busload of people
either, if I ran into a spirit I probably would have
to say, hey I've hit a brick wall in my genealogy do
you know any info on the matter..haha.  Good topic for
Halloween of course.

--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

> Hi Carol!    My first experience with Dia de Los
> Muertos was in Oaxaca and I
> was, as you were told by the presenter at the art
> gallery, one of those
> people in a bus load of people taken to cemeteries
> late at night!!  :-)   It
> was not a scary experience for me mainly because
> there were a lot of people
> around and I am not afraid to go to cemeteries;
> however at that time, I had
> never been to a cemetery late at night!  A few years
> later I did spend a
> couple of nights in a cemetery (IN OUR RV) but that
> is another story!
> Mickey

Since I have gotten so many requests for this, and because I think 
most people's email programs will bounce the email if I send it to 
them since the PDF is 4MB, I have posted it in Ranchos2 in the files 
section.

As the file is so large, I imagine that Joseph will eventually have 
to take it down to make space for other items, so please go and 
download/print it when you get a chance.

I found this item at the Library of Congress.  It was written by 
Francisco Manuel de Salcedo Herrera in 1650 and transcribed by a 
priest named Eucario Lopez... who according to the prologue 
transcribed other historic documents from the Archives of the 
Archdiocese of Guadalajara.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Carol Turner  wrote:
>
> Please send me a copy of the Tlaltenango.
> 
> Thanks!!!!!!
> 
> --- Arturo Ramos  wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription
> of a 1650 
> Tlaltenango census this weekend

Hi, Carol! This is interesting. My grandparents never celebrated this either in El Paso and I never heard them or any of my relatives speak of it. But I do remember hearing the phrase occasionally as I was growing up. I do remember when I was a little girl, there being a biiiiiig celebration at Sacred Heart Church with Matachines. I remember being impressed with their wooden soled sandals and the noise they made. Marge



On Oct 31, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Carol Turner wrote:

DIA DE MUERTOS has made a comeback in the last five

years here in Kansas City.  I don't ever remember my

grandparents mentioning this to any of us or how they

celebrated in Mexico.  Mattie Rhodes Art gallery puts

on quite an exhibit with local artists and small

alters in dedication to our ancestors.  They also have

a big party in the street with dancing skeletons and

music, food.  I've heard Chicago puts on a big parade

now.  A few years ago I went to a slide presentation

here at the art gallery.  The