Nuestros Ranchos Site

We have found in the Banamichi and Arizpe Baptisimal records where 
our ancestors were Opata Indios.  Not speaking or reading Spanish, 
we didn't recognize the term Opata, until we started reading all the 
wonderful information that comes thru the Ranchos site.  All the 
years of researching Rich's ancestors in Jalisco and Zacatecas, we 
have never found the name of the Indios,  but only three generations 
back, we find that my father, born in Banamichi, Sonora, has 
ancestors clearly listed as Opata Indios.  This area of Sonora is 
very hard to research, since the University of Arizonia went in and 
filmed a lot of the church records, (called the 811 filmes), so now 
the FHL does not see the need to extract this information on their 
own films.  So you find very little extracted out there on the FHL 
website.
We were fortunate to spend a few days at the University of Arizona, 
Tuscon,  and got into the 811 films.  There are 27 rolls of films.  
Found some census and printed every

I have baptism, death, and marriage records for my paternal line 
which date from 1650 to 1825 in Etzatlán.  My line moved to 
Guadalajara.   Most of them were identified as Indios by the church.  
But unfortunately, the tribe is never mentioned.

Gloria

I contacted John Schmal and am thankful to him for he sent this link
(http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/states.html) which I also put in
the links area of the group. Look particularly at Jalisco2, Zacatecas2,
Aguascalientes and TLAXCALA.

happy holidays,

joseph

I honestly don't think anybody in this group is
searching for their mexican roots in the hopes of
finding out they only have "pure" european blood (if
anybody is, I'd feel sorry for them). 

What should make us proud is finding the mixture of
indian, white, etc., blood in us and to feel proud of
our traditions. We need to learn to appreciate the
struggles our ancestors have to pass through
(specially the indians) so we can be here sharing all
this in our group.

I am very proud of my mexican roots and that, to me,
means primarily indian blood. The european part of us
is inevitable, since our ancestors had to withstand
the white conquerors for some many centuries. But, I
proudly can say: Soy indio tambien! and a proud one as
well. And I intend to pass that on to my children,
since they will grow up in this great country and I
don't want them to forget where they come from and and
to lose their traditions.

Guillermo.
 
--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> 
> alice wissing wrote

Sylvia, indeed, Los Altos are tall people. I inherited
my height (6' 4") from my ancestors from Los Altos
(Jalisco Highlands). What area in Los Altos is your
family from and what surnames???

Guillermo.

--- Sylvia Robles  wrote:

> 
> I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet
> posting my GEDOM 
> Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and
> have been fighting 
> one virus after another including, healing up my
> badly sprained 
> ankle.  This is my #3 attempt to use this thing
> right! I am descended 
> from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and
> Pinos, Zacactecas. I 
> have travelled to both towns and collected
> substantial data and books 
> from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs
> from Zacatecas 
> side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from
> Egypt. The family 
> owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos
> and meat markets 
> throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. 
> The Los Altos, side 
> which are in fact tall

Sylvia Robles wrote:

A new state assemblyman Juan Arambula from Fresno I believe just
took office. His family via an e-mail to a friend confirms his roots
from Los Altos.

seems that within this group we have a lot of political clout. subscribe
is one Senator, you probably are related to this assemblyman, I'm
related to two other CA congress people. Maybe if we all pulled together
we could get a genealogical bill enacted "or" something.

Have you tried to make a connection with Juan Arambula? Might try
working your Arambula's forward to see what branch he comes from.

joseph

PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST:

Can anyone that lives in El Paso, Texas that occassionally goes to the
UT El Paso for research please contact me as I have a favor to ask.
Seems that I found that a wonderful study guide exists and was hoping
someone could photocopy or digital camera copy it for me:

Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua, ca.
1712-1813 :
MF 491, University Library, University of Texas at El Paso /

Cheryl English Martin

1999
English Book [1], 12, 7, 14, 4, 5, 6, 15, 2, 4, 3, 6, 14, 49 leaves ;
28 cm.
[El Paso, Tex.] : Cheryl English Martin,

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Title: Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua,
ca. 1712-1813 :
MF 491

I live in Southern California. San Bernardino-Riverside Inland Empire.  In short I came back from Teocaltiche, Jalisco with a book written by a local historian.  My husbands uncle by marriage noticed the book and his mother Arambula--how Arab can it get-- was from there.  My father's uncle married a Luna from Nochistlan.  The circle gets tighter, as a friend of mine is a Luna cousin to my second cousins.  My husbands' cousins' family is from Juchipilia(sic), Santoya.  My niece a Rodriguez like me attended UCLA and during a retreat asked her friend a Rodriguez(Luna) to kill time where his family was from, he said Barstow, my niece said, no relatives Rodriguez in Barstow,{wrong} so where

Sometimes you just can't find your way past a road block. When that
happens you need to ask: "Do I want to get past this obstacle or not?"
Reading stuff that is not directly related to your genealogy is
sometimes necessary. Immersion (bautizmo) is something that you should
consider. . .immerse yourself in everything about your area. read read
read. You never know when you will read something that might give you a
perspective different than your current one. . .one that might get you
to a source of further information. Later if I remember I'll do a search
of Zacatecas and Aguascalientes:

TI: Le role de la religion dans le developpement d'une identite
regionale: La cas de la region de Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexique (French
text)

AU: Lamothe-Genevieve
DN: MA
DD: 2003
SN: McGill-University-Canada (0781)
AD: Norget-Kristin
IB: 0612886581
PG: 96
LA: French

AB: This thesis looks at the origin, development and perpetuation of a
religiously based regional identity in the region of

hi Alicia,

merry christmas. . .

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Sylvia,

Great history and summary.

My family also hails from Teocaltiche, the Olmos, Ruiz Esparza,
Avelar, Aguayo and Gomez lines. Still trying to decipher some of the
family lines. The GGG, abuelo Prudencio Olmos creatied some
interesting family ties in that he had two sets of wives and families
and appeared to be married at the same time to both women. The first
wife and family should have inherited the wealth but it was just the
opposite. Needles to say this created much dissention within the
families. Through the years I would hear comments such as "son de los
otros Olmos", meaning that it wasn't the same Olmos family. I'm still
working on this and need more verification that they were the same
family. I'm thinking that the reason he could pull this off was
because Prudencio married in different states, first wife in
Nochistlan Zacatecas and second wife in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Does
anyone know of other