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digest etiquette

whenever folks reply to a message that has come to them bundled in a
digest you can't just click on reply because then you will get the
"whole" reply message as part of your reply including the 17 other
messages you weren't replying to.

So instead just click reply and then cut or delete the parts that are
not about your reply and then put your response in. But DO leave in the
message you are replying about so we'll all know exactly what you are
are replying about.

ALSO as a message changes from one topic to another PLEASE change the
Subject line with the change in the message. That way we'll know what
each message is about.

so to recap:

1) if you get digest version don't just hit reply, but cut "out" the
other messages and only leave in the message you're replying to with
your response. From now on if anyone does this please forward me
examples and I'll email the "offender" privately and nicely "have a
little talk with them." I'm not on digest

Leonardo de la Torre does NOT speak English.  I think that if I worked 
out a deal with him, I would be willing to communicate project goals, 
etc., to him for members who would sign up.  My Spanish is not perfect, 
but I can hold my own.

When we were discussing my reimbursing his travel expenses for him to 
come to Colotlan, he was adamant about getting the money wired to 
him... he specifically did not want checks or money orders.

Since Paypal works more or less like a wire service once it is linked 
to a bank account and they do allow linking to Mexican bank accounts 
(it a bit slower since they have to make their money on the float), he 
may be amenable to that... depends on how much of a technophobe he is.  
However, I am sure that we can find a solution to this problem in one 
way or another.

I was thinking that what I would discuss with him was the possibility 
of working on an hourly basis with an ongoing list of projects... that 
way people could set out a budget for their

Hello:



Although I am very flattered I do not wish to be nominated.  I really think Kitty would do well.  However, I am here to help in anyway that I can; please let me know how.



Also, just want to add a little about the monthly 'stipend' on the man from Jerez.  He is a very good source.  I have talked to someone who is very well versed in research from Mexico and it was suggested that you be careful in a 'monthly stipend'.  It is better to order a specific job and get that done instead of a stipend. 



Mickey Garcia

Okay here are the people that have been nominated and who I will be
putting up for a vote. If anyone else is going to do some nominating I
need to know pretty soon. Also if anyone on this list would like to
withdraw their nomination let me know soon.

[no voting yet, you'll receive the voting in form of a "group poll."]

Mickey Garcia

Rosalinda Ruiz

Kitty Cortez


Also if any of those nominated would like to send in a paragraph or two with a description of why you would make a good committee member it would make it easier for the group to vote on you. I'm basing this on past polls and have the number of 10 votes to be elected into the committee. Later the committee can decide how to govern itself. I would like the committee to be a minimum of 3 people but would think it would be better with 5 members.

anyway if we can't find others to nominate we can go forward with a vote. If anyone really feels they would be a good committee member this would be a good time to speak up

I, too, would be interested in having someone in Mexico do some
research for me. But I have several questions. I am one of the list
members who does not speak Spanish. Does Senor de la Torre speak any
English? How would we communicate? I have names and dates for a
starting point. What else would he need. I have a Paypal account.
Can this be used to transfer money? I can pay, but not in the
hundreds each month. I will lurk a little longer on the list until
these and list member's other questions are asked.

Linda Romero

researching: Romero, de la Torre, Barba,

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Arturo says he is going to talk more to el señor Leonardo de La Torre.
> 
> Ed Serros was in communication with him before. Ed, how was your experience?
> 
> joseph

Joseph,

I wrote to Arturo yesterday after he contacted me directly. See below. Please take into 
consideration that my personality is such that I tend to be distrustful and impatient.  
Anyway...


Arturo,

Yes, I have been in contact in the past with Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and with 
another researcher, Bernardo del Hoyos. The former is well-known and I have found many 
historical articles authored by him in the Jalisco/Zacatecas area of Mexico. Miguel 
Escobedo, an attorney from Mexico City, see http://www.noriegayescobedo.com.mx/
socios_escobedo.htm, has used both of these people and has spoken of them highly. 
Miguel's family were large land owners in Jalisco, e.g. Monte Escobedo is named after his 
ancestors. I fortuitously began to communicate

It just dawned on me the book is not written by Leonardo but by Jose 
Leon Robles de la Torre, they must be the same family?
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
 wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention the website under contruction where Mr.De La 
> Torre has where he freely shares information.  
> http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/introduccion1.htm
> Linda in Everett
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely be interested in this, since some information 
I 
> > need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
> in 
> > on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, 
> and 
> > thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
> >  
> > Great work!
> >  
> > Prima Rosalinda
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" 
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan 
> along 
>

What follows is Don Leonardo's webpage:
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/index_archivos/marabr/index.htm

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> I am interested to know how computer-savvy Mr. De La Torre is as
regards doing genealogy research online.  He has an e-mail address, so
obviously he is computer-literate, but if I e-mailed him, would he
know what I was talking about if I mentioned the IGI, Ancestry.com,
World Connect, etc.?  Would he be able to scan and e-mail copies of
records and photos, or would he prefer snail-mail?   I cannot go to
Jerez, and all my communication with him would be via e-mail or
snail-mail, and I could send money to him from our local post office,
the way I see the green-carders here doing (sending money to Mexico).  
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----

I forgot to mention the website under contruction where Mr.De La 
Torre has where he freely shares information.  
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/introduccion1.htm
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
>
> I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
> need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
in 
> on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, 
and 
> thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
>  
> Great work!
>  
> Prima Rosalinda
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan 
along 
> > with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.
> > 
> > Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
> > information that he has already compiled from him and then it 
> would 
> > be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
> >

A few years ago I purchased "Filigranas, Fundaciones Y Genealogias, 
Tepetongo, Zacs. by Mr Jose Jeon Robles de la Torre published in 
1999.  He includes in his book genealogy that is connected to him. 
He includes the De La Torre, Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzales, 
Murillo, Carlos, Rodriguz, Mejia, Zuniga and Salazar lines. The book 
has more than 500 pages of information.  I was hoping to connect but 
found my Spanish just isn't good enough to read it... The man is 
obviously very well educated, a poet and very respected. I paid $90. 
for the book. If anyone is interested in buying it from me for what 
I paid I would be happy to pay the postage.  It should be with 
someone who can use it much better than I have.
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
>
> I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
> need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
in 
> on the contribution for his

I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me in 
on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, and 
thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
 
Great work!
 
Prima Rosalinda


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan along 
> with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.
> 
> Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
> information that he has already compiled from him and then it 
would 
> be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
> think that is going to be a delicate negotiation and it really 
> depends on what it is that he has.
> 
> He has mentioned that the Jerez parrish archves have confirmation 
> records and informacion matrimonial records for most of the years 
in 
> the 17th century where the baptism and marriage records are

I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan along 
with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.

Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
information that he has already compiled from him and then it would 
be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
think that is going to be a delicate negotiation and it really 
depends on what it is that he has.

He has mentioned that the Jerez parrish archves have confirmation 
records and informacion matrimonial records for most of the years in 
the 17th century where the baptism and marriage records are missing.  
He also does a lot of research on protocolos from the Zacatecas state 
archives, which are not available on film.

Ed and I are definitely going to hire him.  He is very particular 
about getting paid up front and via wire transfer... This is not too 
big a deal if we collect money and pay him a monthly stipend, which 
is his suggestion.  I think it is a matter of making

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be
necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per
month. If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and
locations then it would be possible for the searcher

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per month. If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and locations then it would be possible for the searcher to do each line and make a good living. Do you agree ?  I wonder if this is a practicable suggestion. Arturo may be on to something and if it works out then a link will have been established that we all can follow. We would need to see the film documentation or it would be valueless.
I would like to hear your take on the matter as I think that this could blossom.

Jose Luis Macias
decendant of Francisco Macias, of Jerez, Zacatecas

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Dec 4, 2005 11:46 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arturo Ramos 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo what do you suppose a figure would be for this monthly stipend? 
Are you thinking that

Hi Maria,

Thank you for your interest.

I have a letter written by my mother in 1941-42 on La Sultana
letterhead. She and my dad, Ramon Romero, spent several months with
my dad's relatives in and around Guadalajara after their marriage in
Oct., 1941 and returning to the USA before May, 1942. They mainly
stayed on one or another of Adolfo's ranches. I've been told the
family (de la Torre) owned this chocolateria (or chocolate factory as
my mother called it). My mother wrote to her aunt in Minnesota on
this letterhead.

I am searching any clues I can find to reconnect me with my father's
family. It seems easier to find the dead that any living relatives.
I am hoping to trace the ownership of the chocolateria to someone
living who may remember my dad and have family information for me.

My Spanish is slim to none so my research is slow. I would
appreciate any information your family may have on this place or my
family. My pedigree is posted to ranchos.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> 
> I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo. 
Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña y
sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as the tool the
carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the mountain chain
because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one Sierra
Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe when I
hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that there is only
one "Sierra" .

Right, John.  Unless they're referring to México's sierras.  ;-)

http://www.galeon.com/cumbres/Archivos/orografia.htm

This is the kind of question that Leonardo de la Torre Berumen could answer. My ancestress, Clara de los Reyes, married Francisco de Chaves Banuelos in Jerez around 1720 or 25. I have no other info on her at all. I wonder if she's related to Maria Josefa? Marge:)



On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of this Hacienda de Santiago in Aguascalientes?   My husband's ggggg-grandmother, Maria Josefa de los Reyes Roman was born there in 1755.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---



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